My scenario:
Arizona has traded Rosen (say to the Redskins for next year's first rounder)
The Raiders have traded Carr (or they keep him for one year with the rookie QB playing behind him)
Gettleman has tried to trade up, but the cost is too high (teams start by demanding next year's first rounder)
1 - Arizona takes Murray
2 - SF takes Bosa (or Q Williams or J Allen)
3 - Jets (or trading partner) take Q Williams (or Bosa or Allen)
4 - Raiders take Haskins
5 - Tampa Bay takes J Allen
Gettleman looks to trade down, but again only gets offers for the 6th overall pick that amount to "a bag of donuts, a hot pretzel and a hot dog"
You're in Gettleman's shoes, who do you pick? Likely from among:
OL
Cody Ford, OT, Oklahoma
Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
DL/LB
Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson
Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan
Ed Oliver, DT, Houston
Montez Sweat, EDGE, Mississippi State
Devin White, LB, LSU
If they're convinced J Williams can eventually be the left tackle or center, do the Giants pick him and put him at RT (or center) in 2019?
Sweat would be a JPP like pick. White or Ferrell seem to be safer picks.
Who do you pick?
It is what our defense needs. He won't come off the field.
Sweat is my fallback.
Please not Gary.
taylor / ford > williams
burns > gary / ferril
You make it sound so easy to trade back. What if the only offer to trade is to move back to say 20 and only get a 4th? do you do it?
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Oliver
Sweat
Gary
In that order is my suggestion.
I am up in the air about Oliver. As silly as it was, that outburst last year is something I see the Giants staying away from.
Oliver would be without a position with the Giants. He is not a 5 and certainly not a nose tackle in a 3-4. He isn't an OLB candidate so now a shift to thumper ILB would be in play. No to Oliver.
Do NOT discount a Top Corner.
A smart pick what positional does Gary play in 3-4?
I’d respectfully disagree if you think it’s to play nose tackle in 3-4
A smart pick what positional does Gary play in 3-4?
I’d respectfully disagree if you think it’s to play nose tackle in 3-4
Jay, again, historically teams running a 3-4 tend to put the money at edge. Some have put the money at NT, when they've had a dominant one worth it. They typically don't spend it at end. If Oliver is their guy, he's probably playing NT. 3-4 DEs are mostly blocker eaters. Read up.
Gary can play OLB as the elephant. When healthy, he explodes off the screen. If they want a player who will play more in space, then RG probably isn't that guy.
make too much sense then say Gary should be pick.
Oliver would be a 3-4 DE.
This
Agree.
White while a very nice player is not a pass rush monster and with our glaring lack we need one of those for Bettchers D.
It's also funny to me that Gary is often talked about as 3T in a 4-3 (a DT basically) but then you're saying he would be an outside LB in our 3-4 simply because the 5T (DE) wouldn't showcase his pass-rushing abilities, he would just be there to eat up blocks. Do I have that right?
All I know is I'd rather take the player that fits best in Bettcher's scheme as the "showcase" pass-rusher (which in other words would be the elephant a.k.a. Jack). I guess that just means whichever guy has both the speed to beat an LT and the strength to beat a RT, right? It does seem like that could be Gary, but the thing that worries me is the fact he was somewhat lacking in production in college and now we're going to ask him to change and tailor his game to a new position and suddenly become MORE productive in the NFL?
The more we talk about this the more I'm thinking Sweat could be the choice. Anyone who's 260 lbs and runs a 4.4 40 (and looks as explosive on the field as he times) is worthy of #6 overall IMO, especially if he has a couple years worth of solid production in the SEC under his belt.
This draft is deeper than that one. What a disaster. But at least they didn’t draft Phillips lol.
I’d take White Sweat or Gary. Most likely in that order due to wondering about Gary a bit due to less definable college production. All three are not huge reaches at 6. And if the top 2 QBs and top 3 tenders are gone no one is trading for that 6 th pick.
The Giants have to be looking LB. Allen would be the best choice but probably not available.
the ER. He has tremendous burst and closing speed downhill off the edge. He could certainly play 4-3 DE when they mix looks as they often do. Bettcher's scheme
is a bit different, but he values power, speed, and versatility which Gary has. Giants certainly need to answer questions regarding his injuries slowing him down in 2018, but his 2017 film is the goods. Fans should take a close look at it. I think he'll be in the mix. Unfortunately, despite considerable front seven talent
being available in this draft, there's no ideal NYG pick to my eye.
I'm not sold on Sweat at #6, but he would be an ER.
the ER. He has tremendous burst and closing speed downhill off the edge. He could certainly play 4-3 DE when they mix looks as they often do. Bettcher's scheme
is a bit different, but he values power, speed, and versatility which Gary has. Giants certainly need to answer questions regarding his injuries slowing him down in 2018, but his 2017 film is the goods. Fans should take a close look at it. I think he'll be in the mix. Unfortunately, despite considerable front seven talent
being available in this draft, there's no ideal NYG pick to my eye.
I'm not sold on Sweat at #6, but he would be an ER.
Jon, thanks for the insight. On not being sold on any player: are you including Bosa, Big Q, and Allen as well? I know not likely those guys will be available, but just curious.
Of all the front 7s in this draft which do you think would be most ideal for the Giants in terms of both overall talent/ability combined with scheme?
If there really is no ideal player when we're on the clock maybe we really do just stay put and take Haskins or hope someone is trying to trade up (move back to #13 or #15 and get Miami's or Washington's 2nd rounder and 2020 1st).
Yep, it confirmed what I thought was visible in a lot of the film I watched on him. If there's any questions regarding his college productivity, I get it. But, I think he'll be in the mix at #6.
Ferrell looks like a pure 4-3 DE to me, not seeing his upside projecting to a 3-4 ER.
Big Q and Oliver look like 3T's in a 4-3 to me, but talented enough to be picked at #6. Just not certain NYG will want to pick a 3-4 DE that high, teams don't typically draft them that high nor pay them scale on the second pro contract.
If there's no ER they want at #6, I hope they look to move down a few spots to grab one, or an OT.
Sweat looks like a freak athlete and could be a nice sack guy, but he might get pushed around.
Lots of questions to answer.
AB to the Raiders
Flacco to the Broncos
I just don't see 2 QBs being gone by 6, much less Haskins specifically selected by the Raiders. They traded Mack on now you think they pass on Allen?
I would think one doesn't trade and pay AB at his age to pair with a rookie QB, and think they are going with Carr unless Lock slips down to them in the late 1st.
IE I don't see them grabbing Haskins, not at all.
But playing your game I suppose Oliver.