This team is not ready for Prime time yet.....there are no great expectations....
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
Come on Doomster. They are giving Pulkey 9 million
I read the guarantee was like 2 million. He will get 9 million only if he performs
The only thing in these contracts that mean anything is the guaranteed money
Told the Giants’ interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
DG's stated philosophy is run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Of course he doesn't value DBs that highly.
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JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
As a JPP fan, despite his big cap hit they really like him in Tampa Bay. He had a strong all-around year. Besides the 12.5 sacks he had 20 QB knockdowns and 16 tackles for losses.
The outlook of this defense would be a little darker without his presence. This, and the fact he outplayed his positional pay ranking in every significant statistical category, make JPP an easy call as a bargain for the 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
By the end, he was clearly a leader on the field and in the locker room.
defense are Hill, Carter and Beal. Add Houston and a decent Safety plus draft picks and we can be ok. Get RT Williams and the offense is set to score tons of points.
What has Beal shown us to call him a NYG defensive building block..?
Hill, ok maybe. Carter? I'm optimistic about him but he hasn't shown that he is irreplaceable going forward after just one year.. I would argue that we have Zero building blocks on defense and need to get one at 6 so we can build around that player... hard to call three 3rd round picks builidng blocks, after one year in which none of them really dominated.. not that that what was expected of them or of any player taken after the top half of round 1...
Hill was pretty good last year. Carter was solid when he was able to see the field... thought we would see more of him early with OV hurt but we didnt really, but we saw a glimpse or a flash here and there... Beal had what? One practice? Let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling Beal or even Carter a building block. If you want to sip the BJ Hill kool-aid, fine, pour me a cup too. But the fact is, this defense as it currently stands, doesnt have ANY proven playmakers outside of a decling Jack Rabbit.
Devin White. Josh Allen. Nick Bosa. Quinnen Williams. Greedy Williams. Those are what I would call building blocks. And we should probably take one at 6.
Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
The Honeybadger is a FS not a SS. Plus cutting Berry would save them only 1.5 against the cap. They love Berry... he isn't going anywhere.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
WR Tyrell Williams
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
This only confirms that teams are calling, not that the Giants are willing to trade him.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
we know the browns want him...but its going to cost them this year and next year #1's and this year #3
With the Honey Badger signing in KC ($14 mil per year) Â
Berry is now a luxury and not a necessity. They can't plan on making Mathieu (hasn't missed a game in 17' or 18') a tandem with a guy that has played in just 3 games in 2017 and 2018! Mathieu is now 'the guy' over there. They can put a Curtis Riley back there with him (JK, hopefully they can do better than that)... I bet if his cap hit wasnt so horrible this year they would cut him to free up cap next year... I'm sure they would listen to offers as no one in the league is untouchable from the right offer and I doubt he would cost something crazy is all...
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
Can't wait for Browns fans to start running with proposals constructed around Duke Johnson and Emmanuel Ogbah
Ogbah was already part of the first attempt at a trade, lol Â
Berry is now a luxury and not a necessity. They can't plan on making Mathieu (hasn't missed a game in 17' or 18') a tandem with a guy that has played in just 3 games in 2017 and 2018! Mathieu is now 'the guy' over there. They can put a Curtis Riley back there with him (JK, hopefully they can do better than that)... I bet if his cap hit wasnt so horrible this year they would cut him to free up cap next year... I'm sure they would listen to offers as no one in the league is untouchable from the right offer and I doubt he would cost something crazy is all...
That is the other problem with your idea... You think the Giants are going to pay 12.5 mil in 2019 for him? it just won't happen.
RE: Some names still out there that interest me: Â
WR Tyrell Williams
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Bring in the Joker LB already. I guarentee you no one here will 'like' the contract but if our DC really wants this guy, (which IDK if he does) just do it already.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
We all know it's the Browns. What I don't get though is if they've called multiple times, do they really expect Gettleman is going to lessen his demands? The only way this happens is if they agree to his demands.
Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams..... Â
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
RE: Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams..... Â
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
RE: RE: Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams..... Â
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
He did. Over night I believe.
Daryl Williams is the one guy I would be sort of upset on if DG misses on him.
RE: RE: Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams..... Â
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
I’m looking to get, Tackle Williams, LB Golden, and safety Tre Boston or Thomas. Go into the draft and somehow make a move to get Josh Allen, then whatever is needed. That’s how you filll the holes.
Sign somebody, anybody. And sign somebody while i Â
curious what's going on with Williams, RT
In all honesty though, i am glad we aren't overpaying for players...this is what we did before and it killed us.
I would look at him. I think there's a value in bringing in older vets on cheaper deals to buy yourself time to draft and develop talent behind them.
curious what's going on with Williams, RT
Teams want to have him in for a physical first.
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
Come on Doomster. They are giving Pulkey 9 million
I read the guarantee was like 2 million. He will get 9 million only if he performs
The only thing in these contracts that mean anything is the guaranteed money
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
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Told the Giants’ interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
DG's stated philosophy is run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Of course he doesn't value DBs that highly.
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
As a JPP fan, despite his big cap hit they really like him in Tampa Bay. He had a strong all-around year. Besides the 12.5 sacks he had 20 QB knockdowns and 16 tackles for losses.
The outlook of this defense would be a little darker without his presence. This, and the fact he outplayed his positional pay ranking in every significant statistical category, make JPP an easy call as a bargain for the 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
By the end, he was clearly a leader on the field and in the locker room.
Maybe the change in scenery was good for him.
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Very on board for this. Then follow up with a defense heavy draft.
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Are all these free agents listed have been cut by their team?
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Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Very on board for this. Then follow up with a defense heavy draft.
and a tank for a top QB lol
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#Packers release LB Nick Perry: https://pckrs.com/wq8k3
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
Not to mention they're loading up for a SB run.
What has Beal shown us to call him a NYG defensive building block..?
Hill, ok maybe. Carter? I'm optimistic about him but he hasn't shown that he is irreplaceable going forward after just one year.. I would argue that we have Zero building blocks on defense and need to get one at 6 so we can build around that player... hard to call three 3rd round picks builidng blocks, after one year in which none of them really dominated.. not that that what was expected of them or of any player taken after the top half of round 1...
Hill was pretty good last year. Carter was solid when he was able to see the field... thought we would see more of him early with OV hurt but we didnt really, but we saw a glimpse or a flash here and there... Beal had what? One practice? Let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling Beal or even Carter a building block. If you want to sip the BJ Hill kool-aid, fine, pour me a cup too. But the fact is, this defense as it currently stands, doesnt have ANY proven playmakers outside of a decling Jack Rabbit.
Devin White. Josh Allen. Nick Bosa. Quinnen Williams. Greedy Williams. Those are what I would call building blocks. And we should probably take one at 6.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
The Honeybadger is a FS not a SS. Plus cutting Berry would save them only 1.5 against the cap. They love Berry... he isn't going anywhere.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
It's possible the Giants are the ones in on Williams but I think we missed on that one. Very reasonable for a guy that has performed well.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
This only confirms that teams are calling, not that the Giants are willing to trade him.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
we know the browns want him...but its going to cost them this year and next year #1's and this year #3
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
Can't wait for Browns fans to start running with proposals constructed around Duke Johnson and Emmanuel Ogbah
That is the other problem with your idea... You think the Giants are going to pay 12.5 mil in 2019 for him? it just won't happen.
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Bring in the Joker LB already. I guarentee you no one here will 'like' the contract but if our DC really wants this guy, (which IDK if he does) just do it already.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
We all know it's the Browns. What I don't get though is if they've called multiple times, do they really expect Gettleman is going to lessen his demands? The only way this happens is if they agree to his demands.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
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Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
He did. Over night I believe.
Daryl Williams is the one guy I would be sort of upset on if DG misses on him.
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Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
Good point.
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Giants Close To Re-Signing LS Zak DeOssie http://bit.ly/2TvJRqJ
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2 years, $14.5, $7 guaranteed. Probably the most reasonable RT deal there was out there.
It's possible the Giants are the ones in on Williams but I think we missed on that one. Very reasonable for a guy that has performed well.
Nsekhe was reasonably priced for this market. Lets not miss on D. Williams....
Source: Deone Bucannon is expected to sign with the #Bucs. Back with Bruce Arians.
Several very good OC in this draft class, might even grab the consensus top one (Bradbury) at 37.
Better if we can snag an RT.
Bucannon probably the closest comp to Collins and the Chiefs spent big to get a running mate for Berry.
Should have been involved in that.