We need to build our defense and we only have three draft picks in the first four rounds, so assuming we don't draft a qb, I was hoping we would devote our draft resources to defense.
DG has been negotiating with our future right tackle. Could/should be our one splash into free agency.....
I hope not. Not that Daryl Williams wouldn't solidify the O-Line, but look at our defense. It's barren. We have Jackrabbit on the wrong side of 30, Ogletree who is inconsistent and a bunch of whos?
still a lot of names out there with cap space hopefully drying up
but then teams are going to wait it out. The likes of the Giants etc, have been burned once (maybe twice with Solder) and are willing to get the 'Who's' Anakin referenced to build the team. Paying big bucks for mediocre players gets you into trouble. if you can avoid it then wait for the deals...
RE: Clinton Dix was a BUST in DC after the trade last year.
then you can draft a C in rd 2 and let halapio and pulley go after this year. this sets the OL for years to come and has the offense ready made for next years rookie QB
draft defense pretty much the rest of the draft including at pick 6. play the kids on D this year and then next year there will be a ton of cap space to use to supplement the D with the dead money, eli, ellison, and martin gone and jenkins likely to go as well assuming beal is the real deal
the key to this offseason is just to not give out bad contracts and don't screw up the draft
Heres something to ponder:
If it appears DG is tearing this thing down to the foundation, other than his $23 million, why the heck would Eli want to be a part of what looks to be a throw away year? And if it is indeed a throw away year, buckle up for the Odell Beckham experience. I would think hed be a pain in the balls all year.
RE: I'm thinking that you may see another one or two splashy signings
but then teams are going to wait it out. The likes of the Giants etc, have been burned once (maybe twice with Solder) and are willing to get the 'Who's' Anakin referenced to build the team. Paying big bucks for mediocre players gets you into trouble. if you can avoid it then wait for the deals...
Agreed. We don't have a lot to work with this year. Arguably on defense Betcher needs scheme fits more then superstars. And honestly what % of the cap are you going to allocate to OL? They already have 2 OL making north of $10mm.
Go draft a pass rusher rd1 and a RT rd2 and use the rest of the draft capital on Betcher's scheme fits.
Sign guys that fit the scheme that are reasonable. Better signing 3 $5mm players then 1 $15mm player.
WR Tyrell Williams
OT Daryl Williams
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
A few CBs
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
DG has been negotiating with our future right tackle. Could/should be our one splash into free agency.....
I hope not. Not that Daryl Williams wouldn't solidify the O-Line, but look at our defense. It's barren. We have Jackrabbit on the wrong side of 30, Ogletree who is inconsistent and a bunch of whos?
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
They were pretty out of control in the few hours between the Pulley and Hart signings! That Hart signing was a pretty clear indication of the craziness soon to come.
and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
LMFAO
He is the best RT in the NFL after all, it looks like he is just trying to help the Bengals out by giving them a team friendly deal since they believed in him.... sarcasm off lol
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
Stopped referencing the panic of Giants fans when I genuinely haven't seen one fan panic.
Agreed.
Yup well said. I think most of us realize what this team needs is 2-3 more good drafts in a row and to figure out the Eli succession, not a bunch of shiny overpriced free agents this week.
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
Jenkins is still here out of necessity. He likely wouldn't go out and sign a Jenkins.
and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
Is that the giants solve RT or center here in FA and then just crush the draft and field a flawed but young and hungry defense with the explosive top 7 offense.
Sign the biggest names for the biggest $$. Often more than the on field value. That is a sign of desperation.
The Giants, for the first time in a while, are not moving early, not spending big. Not making a big splash move.
For the casual fan, that is ominous and causes some to opine the the GM is not doing their job.
In fact, the GM is doing his job well by not going for the big splash this year. This is not the Giants of old who needed one or two players for a SB run.
The salary cap causes teams to be judicious with the $$ they allocate.
The teams making the big splashes are either sitting on excessive cap space (from not paying out in years past to drafted or free agent acquired players) or believe they are close to making a super bowl run.
In either case, the NYG are not Big Splash worthy in 2019.
The Giants are entering year two of a 3 year rebuild and will be selective on who they sign in Free Agency and for how much. The wallet is not that deep this year.
Poor drafting and poor contract management is still a large obstacle for the 2nd year GM to overcome and correct.
Patience is needed by fans - something that NYers are often in short supply of.
Plus, don't drink the kool-aid of the articles written in the press / media. They are designed to attract readers and generate interest / discussion / clicks for market share. Few beat writers have any true insights, or even a basic understanding of the Capologist implications of the NYG current and future contracts.
The media articles and articles are almost "fantasy football" level of truly understanding reality. All too often the readers get sucked into believing what the writers create.
defense are Hill, Carter and Beal. Add Houston and a decent Safety plus draft picks and we can be ok. Get RT Williams and the offense is set to score tons of points.
and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
12 is slightly above 7? Must be the new math.
It's actually 10 this year, 10 next year and 12 in 2021.
Is that the giants solve RT or center here in FA and then just crush the draft and field a flawed but young and hungry defense with the explosive top 7 offense.
Thats all I got. Talk to me in November...
^ This
Disappointed that we couldnt get EITHER of the Smiths
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
RE: The early days of Free Agency is a glamour show.
WR Tyrell Williams
OT Daryl Williams
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
CB Desir
A few CBs
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Wonder if Bettcher is a bit unhappy watching a bunch of guys he could have used go bye bye. I get the cap situation but we really, really needed an edge guy and now (unless its Houston) will be going to the 3rd and 4th tier guys.
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
defense are Hill, Carter and Beal. Add Houston and a decent Safety plus draft picks and we can be ok. Get RT Williams and the offense is set to score tons of points.
I'd put Tomlinson in there and I like Haley as a nickel DB too.
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks Id take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks Id take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
I was torn between bosa and Williams but picked bosa purely on need for edge. Like risner also. Fant wont get out of the second round imo
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
That's my thought on the situation as well. We won't hear anything until tomorrow.
This team is not ready for Prime time yet.....there are no great expectations....
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
edge rusher is certainly the biggest hole on the team at the moment
Daryl Williams would be my first choice for the obvious reasons, that he's young and he has pro bowl ability to solidify the OL for multiple seasons - but i'd imagine there's some urgency to get some edge rushers who fit the scheme in the building. Golden is the most obvious, Shaq Barrett is intriguing. Houston is the most proven but probably too old. I wonder if they'd even gamble on a reclamation project like Shane Ray.
This team is not ready for Prime time yet.....there are no great expectations....
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
Come on Doomster. They are giving Pulkey 9 million
I read the guarantee was like 2 million. He will get 9 million only if he performs
The only thing in these contracts that mean anything is the guaranteed money
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
DG's stated philosophy is run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Of course he doesn't value DBs that highly.
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
As a JPP fan, despite his big cap hit they really like him in Tampa Bay. He had a strong all-around year. Besides the 12.5 sacks he had 20 QB knockdowns and 16 tackles for losses.
The outlook of this defense would be a little darker without his presence. This, and the fact he outplayed his positional pay ranking in every significant statistical category, make JPP an easy call as a bargain for the 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
By the end, he was clearly a leader on the field and in the locker room.
defense are Hill, Carter and Beal. Add Houston and a decent Safety plus draft picks and we can be ok. Get RT Williams and the offense is set to score tons of points.
What has Beal shown us to call him a NYG defensive building block..?
Hill, ok maybe. Carter? I'm optimistic about him but he hasn't shown that he is irreplaceable going forward after just one year.. I would argue that we have Zero building blocks on defense and need to get one at 6 so we can build around that player... hard to call three 3rd round picks builidng blocks, after one year in which none of them really dominated.. not that that what was expected of them or of any player taken after the top half of round 1...
Hill was pretty good last year. Carter was solid when he was able to see the field... thought we would see more of him early with OV hurt but we didnt really, but we saw a glimpse or a flash here and there... Beal had what? One practice? Let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling Beal or even Carter a building block. If you want to sip the BJ Hill kool-aid, fine, pour me a cup too. But the fact is, this defense as it currently stands, doesnt have ANY proven playmakers outside of a decling Jack Rabbit.
Devin White. Josh Allen. Nick Bosa. Quinnen Williams. Greedy Williams. Those are what I would call building blocks. And we should probably take one at 6.
Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
The Honeybadger is a FS not a SS. Plus cutting Berry would save them only 1.5 against the cap. They love Berry... he isn't going anywhere.
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
WR Tyrell Williams
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
This only confirms that teams are calling, not that the Giants are willing to trade him.
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
we know the browns want him...but its going to cost them this year and next year #1's and this year #3
With the Honey Badger signing in KC ($14 mil per year)
Berry is now a luxury and not a necessity. They can't plan on making Mathieu (hasn't missed a game in 17' or 18') a tandem with a guy that has played in just 3 games in 2017 and 2018! Mathieu is now 'the guy' over there. They can put a Curtis Riley back there with him (JK, hopefully they can do better than that)... I bet if his cap hit wasnt so horrible this year they would cut him to free up cap next year... I'm sure they would listen to offers as no one in the league is untouchable from the right offer and I doubt he would cost something crazy is all...
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
Can't wait for Browns fans to start running with proposals constructed around Duke Johnson and Emmanuel Ogbah
Ogbah was already part of the first attempt at a trade, lol
Berry is now a luxury and not a necessity. They can't plan on making Mathieu (hasn't missed a game in 17' or 18') a tandem with a guy that has played in just 3 games in 2017 and 2018! Mathieu is now 'the guy' over there. They can put a Curtis Riley back there with him (JK, hopefully they can do better than that)... I bet if his cap hit wasnt so horrible this year they would cut him to free up cap next year... I'm sure they would listen to offers as no one in the league is untouchable from the right offer and I doubt he would cost something crazy is all...
That is the other problem with your idea... You think the Giants are going to pay 12.5 mil in 2019 for him? it just won't happen.
WR Tyrell Williams
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Bring in the Joker LB already. I guarentee you no one here will 'like' the contract but if our DC really wants this guy, (which IDK if he does) just do it already.
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
We all know it's the Browns. What I don't get though is if they've called multiple times, do they really expect Gettleman is going to lessen his demands? The only way this happens is if they agree to his demands.
Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams.....
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
RE: Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams.....
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
RE: RE: Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams.....
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
He did. Over night I believe.
Daryl Williams is the one guy I would be sort of upset on if DG misses on him.
RE: RE: Surpised we haven't heard any more on Daryl Williams.....
Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
Im looking to get, Tackle Williams, LB Golden, and safety Tre Boston or Thomas. Go into the draft and somehow make a move to get Josh Allen, then whatever is needed. Thats how you filll the holes.
I hope not. Not that Daryl Williams wouldn't solidify the O-Line, but look at our defense. It's barren. We have Jackrabbit on the wrong side of 30, Ogletree who is inconsistent and a bunch of whos?
DB - Clinton Dix, Boston, Nelson, Desir, Roby, Verrett
Edge - Barrett, Houston, Golden
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
He's legit a terrible tackler
He's pretty similar to Collins. If you can get him for 1/2 the price, it's a solid deal. No clue if you can though.
Agreed.
draft defense pretty much the rest of the draft including at pick 6. play the kids on D this year and then next year there will be a ton of cap space to use to supplement the D with the dead money, eli, ellison, and martin gone and jenkins likely to go as well assuming beal is the real deal
the key to this offseason is just to not give out bad contracts and don't screw up the draft
If it appears DG is tearing this thing down to the foundation, other than his $23 million, why the heck would Eli want to be a part of what looks to be a throw away year? And if it is indeed a throw away year, buckle up for the Odell Beckham experience. I would think hed be a pain in the balls all year.
Agreed. We don't have a lot to work with this year. Arguably on defense Betcher needs scheme fits more then superstars. And honestly what % of the cap are you going to allocate to OL? They already have 2 OL making north of $10mm.
Go draft a pass rusher rd1 and a RT rd2 and use the rest of the draft capital on Betcher's scheme fits.
Sign guys that fit the scheme that are reasonable. Better signing 3 $5mm players then 1 $15mm player.
OT Daryl Williams
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
A few CBs
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Have you read a GoTerps post the last 5 years?
Ended up a pretty good year.
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DG has been negotiating with our future right tackle. Could/should be our one splash into free agency.....
I hope not. Not that Daryl Williams wouldn't solidify the O-Line, but look at our defense. It's barren. We have Jackrabbit on the wrong side of 30, Ogletree who is inconsistent and a bunch of whos?
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
They were pretty out of control in the few hours between the Pulley and Hart signings! That Hart signing was a pretty clear indication of the craziness soon to come.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
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Stopped referencing the panic of Giants fans when I genuinely haven't seen one fan panic.
Have you read a GoTerps post the last 5 years?
No, stopped reading them long ago.
Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
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and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
LMFAO
Hopefully a sign things are settling. Different position, but I'd be happy if we could get Daryl Williams for a comparable deal.
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and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
LMFAO
He is the best RT in the NFL after all, it looks like he is just trying to help the Bengals out by giving them a team friendly deal since they believed in him.... sarcasm off lol
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That's a deal the Giants could have afforded. He's good.
Hopefully a sign things are settling. Different position, but I'd be happy if we could get Daryl Williams for a comparable deal.
First signing where I think they missed the boat.
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That's a deal the Giants could have afforded. He's good.
Hopefully a sign things are settling. Different position, but I'd be happy if we could get Daryl Williams for a comparable deal.
First signing where I think they missed the boat.
Amos needs a new agent.
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Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
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Stopped referencing the panic of Giants fans when I genuinely haven't seen one fan panic.
Agreed.
Yup well said. I think most of us realize what this team needs is 2-3 more good drafts in a row and to figure out the Eli succession, not a bunch of shiny overpriced free agents this week.
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
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Dan Duggan Retweeted Ian Rapoport
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
Jenkins is still here out of necessity. He likely wouldn't go out and sign a Jenkins.
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The Pack gave 21M guaranteed to Amos... wow, big time over pay
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
Kurt Coleman. Wow.
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and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
12 is slightly above 7? Must be the new math.
Nick Perry, 1yr prove it deal???
Donald Penn? is he any good? 1yr deal 7M (that's what he was scheduled to make with the Raiders.)
Hopefully not Sendejo either. If they're going the cheap vet route, it needs to be someone that's somewhat likely to stay on the field.
Thats all I got. Talk to me in November...
The Giants, for the first time in a while, are not moving early, not spending big. Not making a big splash move.
For the casual fan, that is ominous and causes some to opine the the GM is not doing their job.
In fact, the GM is doing his job well by not going for the big splash this year. This is not the Giants of old who needed one or two players for a SB run.
The salary cap causes teams to be judicious with the $$ they allocate.
The teams making the big splashes are either sitting on excessive cap space (from not paying out in years past to drafted or free agent acquired players) or believe they are close to making a super bowl run.
In either case, the NYG are not Big Splash worthy in 2019.
The Giants are entering year two of a 3 year rebuild and will be selective on who they sign in Free Agency and for how much. The wallet is not that deep this year.
Poor drafting and poor contract management is still a large obstacle for the 2nd year GM to overcome and correct.
Patience is needed by fans - something that NYers are often in short supply of.
Plus, don't drink the kool-aid of the articles written in the press / media. They are designed to attract readers and generate interest / discussion / clicks for market share. Few beat writers have any true insights, or even a basic understanding of the Capologist implications of the NYG current and future contracts.
The media articles and articles are almost "fantasy football" level of truly understanding reality. All too often the readers get sucked into believing what the writers create.
Houston would be a good get too if the price is right.
Focus the dollars on the trenches.
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and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. Thats just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
12 is slightly above 7? Must be the new math.
It's actually 10 this year, 10 next year and 12 in 2021.
Thats all I got. Talk to me in November...
^ This
D. Williams?
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Elaine (and I) agree....
My thoughts exactly
WR Tyrell Williams
OT Daryl Williams
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
CB Desir
A few CBs
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Wonder if Bettcher is a bit unhappy watching a bunch of guys he could have used go bye bye. I get the cap situation but we really, really needed an edge guy and now (unless its Houston) will be going to the 3rd and 4th tier guys.
My thoughts exactly
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
I'd put Tomlinson in there and I like Haley as a nickel DB too.
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JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
No.
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Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks Id take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
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Ill get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, Im trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks Id take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
I was torn between bosa and Williams but picked bosa purely on need for edge. Like risner also. Fant wont get out of the second round imo
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
That's my thought on the situation as well. We won't hear anything until tomorrow.
You can't take visits.
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"tampering" is allowed, but you can't review medicals until the league year officially starts?
You can't take visits.
Can't they get medical records from the player? I'm sure the agents know which Drs a team trusts and could have them do a physical.
yesterday's news or today's?
You just listed 3 reasons he would be a terrible fit.
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
curious what's going on with Williams, RT
In all honesty though, i am glad we aren't overpaying for players...this is what we did before and it killed us.
I would look at him. I think there's a value in bringing in older vets on cheaper deals to buy yourself time to draft and develop talent behind them.
curious what's going on with Williams, RT
Teams want to have him in for a physical first.
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
Come on Doomster. They are giving Pulkey 9 million
I read the guarantee was like 2 million. He will get 9 million only if he performs
The only thing in these contracts that mean anything is the guaranteed money
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these shouldve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
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Dan Duggan Retweeted Ian Rapoport
Told the Giants interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
DG's stated philosophy is run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Of course he doesn't value DBs that highly.
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
As a JPP fan, despite his big cap hit they really like him in Tampa Bay. He had a strong all-around year. Besides the 12.5 sacks he had 20 QB knockdowns and 16 tackles for losses.
The outlook of this defense would be a little darker without his presence. This, and the fact he outplayed his positional pay ranking in every significant statistical category, make JPP an easy call as a bargain for the 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
By the end, he was clearly a leader on the field and in the locker room.
Maybe the change in scenery was good for him.
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these shouldve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Very on board for this. Then follow up with a defense heavy draft.
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these shouldve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Are all these free agents listed have been cut by their team?
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Remmers RT
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these shouldve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Very on board for this. Then follow up with a defense heavy draft.
and a tank for a top QB lol
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#Packers release LB Nick Perry: https://pckrs.com/wq8k3
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
Not to mention they're loading up for a SB run.
What has Beal shown us to call him a NYG defensive building block..?
Hill, ok maybe. Carter? I'm optimistic about him but he hasn't shown that he is irreplaceable going forward after just one year.. I would argue that we have Zero building blocks on defense and need to get one at 6 so we can build around that player... hard to call three 3rd round picks builidng blocks, after one year in which none of them really dominated.. not that that what was expected of them or of any player taken after the top half of round 1...
Hill was pretty good last year. Carter was solid when he was able to see the field... thought we would see more of him early with OV hurt but we didnt really, but we saw a glimpse or a flash here and there... Beal had what? One practice? Let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling Beal or even Carter a building block. If you want to sip the BJ Hill kool-aid, fine, pour me a cup too. But the fact is, this defense as it currently stands, doesnt have ANY proven playmakers outside of a decling Jack Rabbit.
Devin White. Josh Allen. Nick Bosa. Quinnen Williams. Greedy Williams. Those are what I would call building blocks. And we should probably take one at 6.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
The Honeybadger is a FS not a SS. Plus cutting Berry would save them only 1.5 against the cap. They love Berry... he isn't going anywhere.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
It's possible the Giants are the ones in on Williams but I think we missed on that one. Very reasonable for a guy that has performed well.
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
This only confirms that teams are calling, not that the Giants are willing to trade him.
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
we know the browns want him...but its going to cost them this year and next year #1's and this year #3
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
Can't wait for Browns fans to start running with proposals constructed around Duke Johnson and Emmanuel Ogbah
That is the other problem with your idea... You think the Giants are going to pay 12.5 mil in 2019 for him? it just won't happen.
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Bring in the Joker LB already. I guarentee you no one here will 'like' the contract but if our DC really wants this guy, (which IDK if he does) just do it already.
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@FieldYates
Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
We all know it's the Browns. What I don't get though is if they've called multiple times, do they really expect Gettleman is going to lessen his demands? The only way this happens is if they agree to his demands.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
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Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
He did. Over night I believe.
Daryl Williams is the one guy I would be sort of upset on if DG misses on him.
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Wondering if DG is waiting for the market to die down on Oline?! I'm sure we're not the only team vying for his services. Second wave of Free Agency is coming.
I thought I saw that Ju. James signed a deal, so the Tackles should be moving soon.
Good point.
@nfltrade_rumors
Giants Close To Re-Signing LS Zak DeOssie http://bit.ly/2TvJRqJ
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2 years, $14.5, $7 guaranteed. Probably the most reasonable RT deal there was out there.
It's possible the Giants are the ones in on Williams but I think we missed on that one. Very reasonable for a guy that has performed well.
Nsekhe was reasonably priced for this market. Lets not miss on D. Williams....
Source: Deone Bucannon is expected to sign with the #Bucs. Back with Bruce Arians.
Several very good OC in this draft class, might even grab the consensus top one (Bradbury) at 37.
Better if we can snag an RT.
Bucannon probably the closest comp to Collins and the Chiefs spent big to get a running mate for Berry.
Should have been involved in that.