and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. That’s just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
12 is slightly above 7? Must be the new math.
It's actually 10 this year, 10 next year and 12 in 2021.
Is that the giants solve RT or center here in FA and then just crush the draft and field a flawed but young and hungry defense with the explosive top 7 offense.
That’s all I got. Talk to me in November...
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JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
RE: The early days of Free Agency is a glamour show. Â
WR Tyrell Williams
OT Daryl Williams
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
CB Desir
A few CBs
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Wonder if Bettcher is a bit unhappy watching a bunch of guys he could have used go bye bye. I get the cap situation but we really, really needed an edge guy and now (unless its Houston) will be going to the 3rd and 4th tier guys.
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
defense are Hill, Carter and Beal. Add Houston and a decent Safety plus draft picks and we can be ok. Get RT Williams and the offense is set to score tons of points.
I'd put Tomlinson in there and I like Haley as a nickel DB too.
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
I’ll get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, I’m trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks I’d take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
I’ll get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, I’m trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks I’d take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
I was torn between bosa and Williams but picked bosa purely on need for edge. Like risner also. Fant won’t get out of the second round imo
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
That's my thought on the situation as well. We won't hear anything until tomorrow.
This team is not ready for Prime time yet.....there are no great expectations....
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
edge rusher is certainly the biggest hole on the team at the moment Â
Daryl Williams would be my first choice for the obvious reasons, that he's young and he has pro bowl ability to solidify the OL for multiple seasons - but i'd imagine there's some urgency to get some edge rushers who fit the scheme in the building. Golden is the most obvious, Shaq Barrett is intriguing. Houston is the most proven but probably too old. I wonder if they'd even gamble on a reclamation project like Shane Ray.
This team is not ready for Prime time yet.....there are no great expectations....
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
Come on Doomster. They are giving Pulkey 9 million
I read the guarantee was like 2 million. He will get 9 million only if he performs
The only thing in these contracts that mean anything is the guaranteed money
Told the Giants’ interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
DG's stated philosophy is run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Of course he doesn't value DBs that highly.
R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
As a JPP fan, despite his big cap hit they really like him in Tampa Bay. He had a strong all-around year. Besides the 12.5 sacks he had 20 QB knockdowns and 16 tackles for losses.
The outlook of this defense would be a little darker without his presence. This, and the fact he outplayed his positional pay ranking in every significant statistical category, make JPP an easy call as a bargain for the 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
By the end, he was clearly a leader on the field and in the locker room.
defense are Hill, Carter and Beal. Add Houston and a decent Safety plus draft picks and we can be ok. Get RT Williams and the offense is set to score tons of points.
What has Beal shown us to call him a NYG defensive building block..?
Hill, ok maybe. Carter? I'm optimistic about him but he hasn't shown that he is irreplaceable going forward after just one year.. I would argue that we have Zero building blocks on defense and need to get one at 6 so we can build around that player... hard to call three 3rd round picks builidng blocks, after one year in which none of them really dominated.. not that that what was expected of them or of any player taken after the top half of round 1...
Hill was pretty good last year. Carter was solid when he was able to see the field... thought we would see more of him early with OV hurt but we didnt really, but we saw a glimpse or a flash here and there... Beal had what? One practice? Let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling Beal or even Carter a building block. If you want to sip the BJ Hill kool-aid, fine, pour me a cup too. But the fact is, this defense as it currently stands, doesnt have ANY proven playmakers outside of a decling Jack Rabbit.
Devin White. Josh Allen. Nick Bosa. Quinnen Williams. Greedy Williams. Those are what I would call building blocks. And we should probably take one at 6.
Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
The Honeybadger is a FS not a SS. Plus cutting Berry would save them only 1.5 against the cap. They love Berry... he isn't going anywhere.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
WR Tyrell Williams
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
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and most of that grade is based on them sitting out this insane market. Add in the pre-FA swap of OV for Zeitler and this has been we played.
If they can get Williams at a price they like, even better.
I expect them to jump back into FA after the first wave to address some holes/depth on defense
That Zeitler trade looks pretty genius right now. Zeitler would probably get 20 million a year if he were available in this market, 12 looks fantastic for the next few years. That’s just slightly above Bobby Hart $$
12 is slightly above 7? Must be the new math.
It's actually 10 this year, 10 next year and 12 in 2021.
That’s all I got. Talk to me in November...
^ This
D. Williams?
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Elaine (and I) agree....
My thoughts exactly
WR Tyrell Williams
OT Daryl Williams
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
CB Desir
A few CBs
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
Wonder if Bettcher is a bit unhappy watching a bunch of guys he could have used go bye bye. I get the cap situation but we really, really needed an edge guy and now (unless its Houston) will be going to the 3rd and 4th tier guys.
My thoughts exactly
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
I'd put Tomlinson in there and I like Haley as a nickel DB too.
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R.J. White
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
Lol at this point Id love to get him back. We need ER pretty bad.
No.
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I’ll get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, I’m trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks I’d take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
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I’ll get burned at the stake for this but looking at our situation from a purely common sense point of view, I’m trading obj to the niners for their first and second. Totally rebuild the D with Bosa at #2, White at #6 Rapp #34
Problem is you now need a WR, especially with Shepard entering the last year of his deal and going by some of the WR contracts this year, he's easily getting $10M+ next offseason. And it's reportedly not a very good WR draft.
Hakeem Butler Iowa state, Deebo Samuel could be second round guys?
All on board with trading Odell for San Fran 2 and 36
With those four picks I’d take
1. Quinnen Williams DT
2. Devin White LB
3. Dalton Risner G/T/C
4. Noah Fant TE if he falls. Go to a two TE set with Engram and Fant like the Pats did
I was torn between bosa and Williams but picked bosa purely on need for edge. Like risner also. Fant won’t get out of the second round imo
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
"Daryl Williams will not sign until the new league year opens, teams want to get a look at the knee before he signs." followed by a bunch of ### things.
Instead of, I'm guessing Williams hasn't signed yet because teams want to see how the rehab knee looks. They can't do that until FA officially begins.
The first one sounds like i'm in the know doesn't it.
That's my thought on the situation as well. We won't hear anything until tomorrow.
You can't take visits.
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"tampering" is allowed, but you can't review medicals until the league year officially starts?
You can't take visits.
Can't they get medical records from the player? I'm sure the agents know which Drs a team trusts and could have them do a physical.
yesterday's news or today's?
You just listed 3 reasons he would be a terrible fit.
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
curious what's going on with Williams, RT
In all honesty though, i am glad we aren't overpaying for players...this is what we did before and it killed us.
I would look at him. I think there's a value in bringing in older vets on cheaper deals to buy yourself time to draft and develop talent behind them.
curious what's going on with Williams, RT
Teams want to have him in for a physical first.
If we can get set on the OL, and avoid injuries, this offense will score some points....
We need either a functional RT from free agency(I do not want to be spending big bucks here) or one from the draft.....we need an upgrade over Halapio....why in the world we gave 9M to Pulley, is a head scratcher....
This team is not a contender for a title, but it could be, at least, enjoyable to watch......our defense sucked last year, and yet we lost 8 of 11 by 7 points or less.....Score points, make the other team one dimensional, and make life easier for our defense....maybe even play some meaningful December games....
Come on Doomster. They are giving Pulkey 9 million
I read the guarantee was like 2 million. He will get 9 million only if he performs
The only thing in these contracts that mean anything is the guaranteed money
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
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Told the Giants’ interest was mild. Gettleman just not willing to pay for safeties. Keep thinking Giants end up with a cheap vet like Kurt Coleman
So we've gone from a GM who didn't value OL and LBs to one who doesn't value DBs.
I wouldn't say he doesn't value DBs as Jenkins is still here.
Other than Amos, I'm glad he's avoided the other safeties as the only ones I'd even consider giving >$12M per year to are Harrison Smith and Eric Berry and neither are available. Maybe Thomas if he was a few years younger and not coming off a major injury.
DG's stated philosophy is run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. Of course he doesn't value DBs that highly.
@rjwhite1
JPP figures to be gone in TB with his contract and potentially poor fit in the new scheme. A team like the Colts, Bills, 49ers, Panthers should be trying to get him for a trade back on Day 3.
As a JPP fan, despite his big cap hit they really like him in Tampa Bay. He had a strong all-around year. Besides the 12.5 sacks he had 20 QB knockdowns and 16 tackles for losses.
The outlook of this defense would be a little darker without his presence. This, and the fact he outplayed his positional pay ranking in every significant statistical category, make JPP an easy call as a bargain for the 2018 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
By the end, he was clearly a leader on the field and in the locker room.
Maybe the change in scenery was good for him.
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Very on board for this. Then follow up with a defense heavy draft.
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Are all these free agents listed have been cut by their team?
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Remmers RT
Nick Perry LB
Golden LB
Boston S
Buchaneon LB
A combo of these should’ve be super expensive, fills holes, and saves the comp pick.
Very on board for this. Then follow up with a defense heavy draft.
and a tank for a top QB lol
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Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
Not to mention they're loading up for a SB run.
What has Beal shown us to call him a NYG defensive building block..?
Hill, ok maybe. Carter? I'm optimistic about him but he hasn't shown that he is irreplaceable going forward after just one year.. I would argue that we have Zero building blocks on defense and need to get one at 6 so we can build around that player... hard to call three 3rd round picks builidng blocks, after one year in which none of them really dominated.. not that that what was expected of them or of any player taken after the top half of round 1...
Hill was pretty good last year. Carter was solid when he was able to see the field... thought we would see more of him early with OV hurt but we didnt really, but we saw a glimpse or a flash here and there... Beal had what? One practice? Let's not get ahead of ourselves by calling Beal or even Carter a building block. If you want to sip the BJ Hill kool-aid, fine, pour me a cup too. But the fact is, this defense as it currently stands, doesnt have ANY proven playmakers outside of a decling Jack Rabbit.
Devin White. Josh Allen. Nick Bosa. Quinnen Williams. Greedy Williams. Those are what I would call building blocks. And we should probably take one at 6.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
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Could/Should we try to pry away Eric Berry from them for a mid round pick? And get a All Pro player if/when healthy??
Berry has to come with a big cap hit but that cant be hardly as bad as Landon's number can it...?
I know. I know. Just give up on DG bringing in a high priced Saftey..
KC has zero desire to trade Eric Berry... They brought the Honeybadger in to play with him not to replace him.
I disagree.. Eric berry has played in like 5 of KC's last 30 games or something like that.. they brought in Mathieu so they dont have to keep counting on Berry. They are similar players, versatile yes, but similar and both better suited at strong safety.
The Honeybadger is a FS not a SS. Plus cutting Berry would save them only 1.5 against the cap. They love Berry... he isn't going anywhere.
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Via @JosinaAnderson on NFL LIVE: there is an AFC North team that as recently as today continues to inquire on Odell Beckham, Jr.'s availability and discussions have remained ongoing.
I really don't believe this will happen... I think people think he is available... call and find out we want the moon and the stars and they don't want to pay that much.
RT Daryl Williams
DE Mo Wilkerson
DE Christian Covington
DE Olsen Pierre
DE Allen Bailey
ER Markus Golden
ER Justin Houston
ER Nick Perry
ER Shaq Barrett
ILB Preston Brown
Joker/ILB Deone Bucannon
FS Earl Thomas III
FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
FS Tre Boston
It's possible the Giants are the ones in on Williams but I think we missed on that one. Very reasonable for a guy that has performed well.