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Giants sign S Antoine Bethea

Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:16 pm
2-year deal, per Reggie Wayne
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RE: Hes still one of the better athletes  
christian : 3/12/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14327145 KWALL2 said:
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at the position. He can still run and cover.

We have nothing on defense. Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.


That's a sobering, true statement.

At least we got our locker room signing out of the way.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.

I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
I was pumped when I read about this signing.  
Boy Cord : 3/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
Then I realized it’s 2019, not 2009.
Not sure if you are intentionally quoting  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
2 seasons ago or not but this has him ranked #63
PFF Bethea this past season - ( New Window )
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Amtoft : 3/12/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14327261 arcarsenal said:
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BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.

I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.


It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
Almost 35  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2019 4:57 pm : link
Honestly, can’t say this news makes me feel giddy......
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14327268 Amtoft said:
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BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.

I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.



It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.


Agree.

I don't really like PFF - but even last year, he was still in the "average" range by their measure and his coverage was still solid. So, can't really use PFF to knock him much - they don't say he was bad.

I don't know why this is a bad signing at all, really... I'm guessing it's a year or two, won't put a dent in our chances at a comp pick for Collins, IIRC.

We can't fill every hole through the draft.

We've also had some good fortune with older vet DB's in the past... Madison, McQuarters, Grant...

I don't really have any issue with this.
RE: what's next? Giants sign  
micky : 3/12/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14327004 SHO'NUFF said:
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S Antrelle Rolle?


"At the end of the day..."
RE: I’m also just wondering where the asshats were on this  
micky : 3/12/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14327132 NoGainDayne said:
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not one person saw Bethea get off a plane?


Because he slipped by on the senior bus
I think most people are just making fun of him for being old  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 5:09 pm : link
I'm assuming this is a cheap signing and am rather indifferent to it.

If it's costing us any kind of real money it's an annoying signing IMO.
RE: Safety with #6  
djm : 3/12/2019 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14326960 SHO'NUFF said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.


You’re annoying.

You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
Like The Getts moves so far  
idiotsavant : 3/12/2019 5:32 pm : link
This signing doesn't in any way preclude drafting safety or two.

Mentor is a word.

Like the guard signing as well.

Expect to see both interior and exterior front 7 er's drafted and maybe even a few safeties.

Just looking at the veteran leadership aspect  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/12/2019 5:34 pm : link
Some vids

Mic'd up against the Eagles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZ7Dgk5KPA

Mic'd up against the 49ers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2HMMzkx8UQ
What are the terms?  
Giants38 : 3/12/2019 5:43 pm : link
You’d think someone would actually write them down.
Why the Hate?  
Festina Lente : 3/12/2019 5:43 pm : link
I am shocked (and disappointed) at some of the responses to this post. We have a millions spots to fill and we need guys to guide incoming rookies. This guy seems to have good stats and health to boot. The only way I could get upset is if they overpaid.
I wonder how many people complaining are basing their critique on his actual performance?
This is the funniest  
Jerry K : 3/12/2019 5:44 pm : link
thread I've read on BBI in years.

Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.

He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.
RE: RE: Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14327344 djm said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



You’re annoying.

You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.


This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14327395 SHO'NUFF said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



You’re annoying.

You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?


These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
RE: This is the funniest  
.McL. : 3/12/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14327392 Jerry K said:
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thread I've read on BBI in years.

Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.

He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.

He is so old, that he was born on Pangaea, and fought off T-Rexes with just a stick.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14327426 arcarsenal said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



You’re annoying.

You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?



These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.


So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Leading tackler  
XBRONX : 3/12/2019 6:06 pm : link
on a great run defense. Yes, a lot of stupid here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 6:09 pm : link
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



You’re annoying.

You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?



These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.



So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?


Which rookie is he mentoring?

This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.

Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
so....  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/12/2019 6:13 pm : link
we don't have a lot of salary cap, the market is stupid hot and we don't have enough draft choices to completely rebuild the team. So a relatively cheap veteran who still can play to fill one of our holes is somehow a bad thing.

Guy is a stopgap for the future. Nothing wrong with that.
Highlights  
HomerJones45 : 3/12/2019 6:16 pm : link
They are from his Colts days but here you go.
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Who really cares about...  
M.S. : 3/12/2019 6:20 pm : link

...this signing?
Stopgap signing.  
FStubbs : 3/12/2019 6:23 pm : link
As long as it wasn't for too much, at least we're not down someone who can start in 2019 in place of Landon Collins.
RE: Not sure if you are intentionally quoting  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14327264 NoGainDayne said:
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2 seasons ago or not but this has him ranked #63 PFF Bethea this past season - ( New Window )

At 4:35 I responded to your post and said 2017 (Bettcher's last year in AZ when they were still running a 3-4)
RE: Stopgap signing.  
SGMen : 3/12/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14327472 FStubbs said:
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As long as it wasn't for too much, at least we're not down someone who can start in 2019 in place of Landon Collins.
Exactly, he is a veteran body for camp. If he has a year left in him well great, its a bonus.
Also  
XBRONX : 3/12/2019 6:32 pm : link
very effective blitzer.
Walter Football on Bethea -  
Ira : 3/12/2019 6:33 pm : link
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Antoine Bethea used to be a solid player, but his play took a dip last year. He still covered well, but missed too many tackles.
He was a pretty good safety......  
Simms11 : 3/12/2019 6:35 pm : link
Hopefully he still has something in him. He’s a lot like Collins, except much cheaper. Good tackler, but probably suspect coverage skills at 35.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 6:35 pm : link
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



You’re annoying.

You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?



These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.



So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?



Which rookie is he mentoring?

This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.

Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?


True or false, vets mentor rookies.

True or false, Jonathon Stewart was brought in last year to be a stabilizing locker room presence.

What's the shitty take?
Just another episode of 'Tales of the Crypt'  
Canton : 3/12/2019 6:35 pm : link
.
True,Stewart was brought in to 'mentor' a player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 6:38 pm : link
Also true, it wasn't necessary, unless you want to attribute a player the entire world knew was great to having a successful season because good ol' J-Stew was there for him on the bench.
I think certain people want to shit on others  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 6:42 pm : link
just to do it. I can say the sky is blue and it would be a "shitty take". Whatever improves your low self-esteem, pal.
Riley lead the  
XBRONX : 3/12/2019 6:44 pm : link
NFL safeties in missed tackles.
Bethea  
stretch234 : 3/12/2019 6:52 pm : link
Spend the dollars to get an effective pass rush and everything behind them gets better
stretch  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:06 pm : link
spend and draft
While this move reminds me of the Jonathan Stewart signing,  
smshmth8690 : 3/12/2019 7:07 pm : link
it ain't the same thing. Stewart was brought in to help in the locker room, it looks like Bethea is coming to start. Maybe a draft pick changes that, but it will be with his help. Besides Bethea is the age now that Andrew Whitworth was when he wasn't brought here, and many here were willing to overlook his age.
I find it interesting that his stats  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/12/2019 7:17 pm : link
last year are better than Landon Collins.

-Neither had an interception
-Both had 1 Forced Fumble
-Bethea had 3 sacks, Collins had 0
-Bethea had 100 solo tackles and 21 assists to Collins 67 solo tackles and 29 assists. Honestly, I would expect the SS to be higher in this category.
-Both had 5 tackles for loss
-Bethea had 6 QB hits and Collings had 2 QB hits
-Collins missed 4 games so that skews the stats a little
-All of Collins stats have declined since his 2016 year
-Outside of interceptions, Bethea had his best year last year
-Bethea was listed as a FS last year but has played both FS and SS throughout his career. Collins has been predominantly listed as a SS.

I get that he's older but, depending on the cost, I think it's a great pickup. He's a placeholder for now but a pretty good placeholder. A veteran on what will be a young defense that can still play.
at the least  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:17 pm : link
he can QB the secondary. and better than any free safety we've had in a while. wonder if buchanan will be part of package deal?
wake up sleepy jonc - could be worse - ( New Window )
came into the league  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:26 pm : link
with pretty good speed so his aging might not be that bad. he was a 4.39 guy when drafted. if he's 4.6 or so now, w/experience and football IQ - could work for year or two.

and he gets the collision aspect of football.
bottom line  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:27 pm : link
we had nothing close to a starter on the team prior to this signing. and he knows Bettcher's system
At least we can field a team now  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2019 7:50 pm : link
He can play Free Safety with Michael Thomas at SS.
Beal, Jenkins and Haley at CB. We are not done adding players.

How much better is a back 2  
Matt M. : 3/12/2019 8:59 pm : link
of a 34 year old Bethea and Peppers? Bethea seems to still be able to play, but at his age that is no guarantee.
RE: How much better is a back 2  
Big_Pete : 3/12/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14328475 Matt M. said:
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of a 34 year old Bethea and Peppers? Bethea seems to still be able to play, but at his age that is no guarantee.

In coverage terms, we have a huge upgrade at the back end of our defence.
That's nice...  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 11:48 pm : link
We still need a FS. Peppers moves in as the SS, Bethea should be the #3 S ala Deon Grant, and now, we need a playmaking FS.
Matt M  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 12:08 am : link
Night and day, difference. Clearly upgraded the secondary. Most important, you have a player on the field who can QB the secondary. Haven't had that in a while.
He so old  
giantsFC : 3/13/2019 12:28 am : link
He wasn’t called out as a troll when he signed up for BBI
One additional tidbit I didn't see posted here  
ChaChing : 3/13/2019 1:11 am : link
tho USAF's post above mentioned some of the same stats:

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But where Bethea really beats out other safeties is when he’s called upon to blitz or rush the passer. PFF had him leading all league safeties with a 17.9 pass-rush productivity rating, which included 12 pressures, six hurries, three hits, three sacks on 42 pass-rush snaps

Obviously it's not everything especially when age is a factor, but this was re: 2018 so that's added value given our pass rush issues

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