100 solo - which is a big number regardless of age. Had 5 interceptions his 1 year with Bettcher in AZ so this would seemingly be a solid move in a deon grant-esque mentoring role to whoever they draft.
cut, so filled a roster spot without effecting comp formula. I guess thats a good thing. More and more feeling like this years free agency / team is just building to next year much like last year. Plug holes for time being, build through draft, and wouldn't in the least bit be suprised come trade deadline we see more of the Jenkins for a pick & Shepard for a pick type deal. Try and get as many picks going into next years draft so that hopefully come 2020 offseason a core of younger players have developed, a multitude of picks from Collins comp and vet trades and potentially 80+ mil in cap space. If they suprise and win a few games and their pick doesn't coincide with the top of the draft then their ultimate trade bait to get back to the top of the draft comes out with Odell.
With another...
Versital player. Both S spots. Had 5 picks under Bettcher in 17... 121 tackles last year. Good mentor... good for depth. Solid pick up.
I honestly had no idea he was still an active player.
first the comp pick thing is important. all the good teams factor it in
second, if they are going to go young at safety, it makes sense to have a veteran back there and show these kids the ropes. a veteran who still can play a little too. this isn't jonathan stewart
i have to imagine the money is small.
if so this is a good move.
I like how some people call him "Buh-They" and other people
I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.
especially for a 6th round pick. Closing in on 200 games played and seems like he has a bit left in the tank based on his play last season. This is likely what the signings are going to look like this offseason and I'm ok with that. Need to nail this draft and keep flexibility moving forward
I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.
ancient for a DB, the wheels tend to fall off the cliff. He's a serviceable player, it just shines the light on their stop gap status. No jewles, an old hand me down.
many posters favorite dance. The Gettleman justification shuffle.
We heard Gettleman thought he could sign him to a reasonable deal or that he had no value now that those have been debunked the comp pick is the only thing left.
It doesnt matter that weve heard we have been on some players that would certainly counter act that pick, DG has typed on many air keyboards and hes executing his master plan.
I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.
With another...
Versital player. Both S spots. Had 5 picks under Bettcher in 17... 121 tackles last year. Good mentor... good for depth. Solid pick up.
Agreed. But like others, I thought he had retired.
Major League as Jake is coming to the field for teh first time. Wish we had him 2 years ago. We did! Five years ago then.
is that you, Tolbert?! This isn't very funny, you know. I'm hung over! My knees are killin' me and if you're going to pull this shit at least you could've said you were from the Yankees.
and SS......just 4 passes defended in 16 as a FS does not bode well....35 next year? Your are suppose to get rid of these guys one year early, not one year late....
In his two years here, the Giants were 6-10 and 11-5. Alexander wasnt the reason they stunk in 2004. And he wasnt the reason they were five games better in 2006.
Yes, and Vencie Glenn, John Booty, Deon Grant, etc. Veteran safety. Will help for leadership on defense (again, agree or disagree, this is important to Gettleman). Stopgap player. We need to be realistic about this team and this roster, they need to build through the draft. Especially on defense. So getting a veteran out there, who knows what it takes to be a successful pro, is important.
People comparing this signing to Stewart are just lazy
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
Bah. A bunch of couch potatoes on BBI who never stepped into a football locker room taught us leadership, experience and team culture add no value.
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
At this rate , almost our entire draft is going to be defense
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
Not sure why this is such a terrible move.... but, most of the people here are just logging in every day in attack mode ready to rip anything the team does, so... it's no surprise this is yet another ridiculous thread full of overreactions.
We have a lot of holes to fill, and we're going to have to scrap heap dive a bit to do it.
BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
Agree.
I don't really like PFF - but even last year, he was still in the "average" range by their measure and his coverage was still solid. So, can't really use PFF to knock him much - they don't say he was bad.
I don't know why this is a bad signing at all, really... I'm guessing it's a year or two, won't put a dent in our chances at a comp pick for Collins, IIRC.
We can't fill every hole through the draft.
We've also had some good fortune with older vet DB's in the past... Madison, McQuarters, Grant...
I am shocked (and disappointed) at some of the responses to this post. We have a millions spots to fill and we need guys to guide incoming rookies. This guy seems to have good stats and health to boot. The only way I could get upset is if they overpaid.
I wonder how many people complaining are basing their critique on his actual performance?
DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
we don't have a lot of salary cap, the market is stupid hot and we don't have enough draft choices to completely rebuild the team. So a relatively cheap veteran who still can play to fill one of our holes is somehow a bad thing.
Guy is a stopgap for the future. Nothing wrong with that.
DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
True or false, vets mentor rookies.
True or false, Jonathon Stewart was brought in last year to be a stabilizing locker room presence.
Also true, it wasn't necessary, unless you want to attribute a player the entire world knew was great to having a successful season because good ol' J-Stew was there for him on the bench.
it ain't the same thing. Stewart was brought in to help in the locker room, it looks like Bethea is coming to start. Maybe a draft pick changes that, but it will be with his help. Besides Bethea is the age now that Andrew Whitworth was when he wasn't brought here, and many here were willing to overlook his age.
-Neither had an interception
-Both had 1 Forced Fumble
-Bethea had 3 sacks, Collins had 0
-Bethea had 100 solo tackles and 21 assists to Collins 67 solo tackles and 29 assists. Honestly, I would expect the SS to be higher in this category.
-Both had 5 tackles for loss
-Bethea had 6 QB hits and Collings had 2 QB hits
-Collins missed 4 games so that skews the stats a little
-All of Collins stats have declined since his 2016 year
-Outside of interceptions, Bethea had his best year last year
-Bethea was listed as a FS last year but has played both FS and SS throughout his career. Collins has been predominantly listed as a SS.
I get that he's older but, depending on the cost, I think it's a great pickup. He's a placeholder for now but a pretty good placeholder. A veteran on what will be a young defense that can still play.
with pretty good speed so his aging might not be that bad. he was a 4.39 guy when drafted. if he's 4.6 or so now, w/experience and football IQ - could work for year or two.
Night and day, difference. Clearly upgraded the secondary. Most important, you have a player on the field who can QB the secondary. Haven't had that in a while.
tho USAF's post above mentioned some of the same stats:
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Obviously it's not everything especially when age is a factor, but this was re: 2018 so that's added value given our pass rush issues
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It's a start.
They're probably sharing the same room in the nursing home.
Apparently. Haha
Snore? Jon, come on. He's not that bad.
He had over 100 tackles and 3 sacks last year. 5 picks the year before.
This is a fine stop gap.
Pretty much what I've been saying all day.
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Pretty much what I've been saying all day.
Did not mean it negatively - he may do very well for them. Been around a long time and played some quality years.
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is breaking news?
They're probably sharing the same room in the nursing home.
Bwaaa haaaaa
Versital player. Both S spots. Had 5 picks under Bettcher in 17... 121 tackles last year. Good mentor... good for depth. Solid pick up.
Fantastic post.
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Snore? Jon, come on. He's not that bad.
He had over 100 tackles and 3 sacks last year. 5 picks the year before.
This is a fine stop gap.
I think two of them were off of Eli, IIRC
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Well Done
Their 2017 grades were also both close, though obviously the fear of a dropoff with a 34 year old is far more significant.
Bethea - 86.7 (his 1 year with Bettcher)
Collins - 88.5
good discount signing assuming it's a few mil.
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second, if they are going to go young at safety, it makes sense to have a veteran back there and show these kids the ropes. a veteran who still can play a little too. this isn't jonathan stewart
i have to imagine the money is small.
if so this is a good move.
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call him "BUh-They-Uh"
I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.
Is it An-TAWN or An-TWAN?
We heard Gettleman thought he could sign him to a reasonable deal or that he had no value now that those have been debunked the comp pick is the only thing left.
It doesnt matter that weve heard we have been on some players that would certainly counter act that pick, DG has typed on many air keyboards and hes executing his master plan.
It's the first one
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call him "BUh-They-Uh"
I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.
Don't forget the shiny object
Welp, you just jinxed it.
Having a vet like that will be ideal especially if the nickle back ends up being a rookie.
This will balance out the "experience" and "wisdom" in the 2ndary.
Mar 8 2019 Released by Arizona (ARI), clearing $4.75M of cap
Versital player. Both S spots. Had 5 picks under Bettcher in 17... 121 tackles last year. Good mentor... good for depth. Solid pick up.
Agreed. But like others, I thought he had retired.
I am hoping for 2/8, but that may be wishful thinking.
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in tecmo superbowl
Fantastic post.
Oustanding
In what year?
He already did: DG.
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I would hate to lose a nice comp pick for him.
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Thanks...
Good to know!
is that you, Tolbert?! This isn't very funny, you know. I'm hung over! My knees are killin' me and if you're going to pull this shit at least you could've said you were from the Yankees.
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He already did: DG.
False. Eli and DG go antiquing together, not Bingo.
Plane? Not one person saw him rising from his grave.
We have nothing on defense. Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.
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Smh...
SMH
Yes, and Vencie Glenn, John Booty, Deon Grant, etc. Veteran safety. Will help for leadership on defense (again, agree or disagree, this is important to Gettleman). Stopgap player. We need to be realistic about this team and this roster, they need to build through the draft. Especially on defense. So getting a veteran out there, who knows what it takes to be a successful pro, is important.
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In what year?
2017
Yeah if Stewart was coming off a 1200+ yard rushing season maybe.
Could be true! Which tells you everything you need to know about the 2019 Giants defense.
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
Bah. A bunch of couch potatoes on BBI who never stepped into a football locker room taught us leadership, experience and team culture add no value.
Wow...ageless wonder
Defense almost literally couldn't be worse than it was last year so scrapping most of it and starting over is probably a good call.
Not sure why this is such a terrible move.... but, most of the people here are just logging in every day in attack mode ready to rip anything the team does, so... it's no surprise this is yet another ridiculous thread full of overreactions.
We have a lot of holes to fill, and we're going to have to scrap heap dive a bit to do it.
We have nothing on defense. Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.
That's a sobering, true statement.
At least we got our locker room signing out of the way.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
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I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
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BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
Agree.
I don't really like PFF - but even last year, he was still in the "average" range by their measure and his coverage was still solid. So, can't really use PFF to knock him much - they don't say he was bad.
I don't know why this is a bad signing at all, really... I'm guessing it's a year or two, won't put a dent in our chances at a comp pick for Collins, IIRC.
We can't fill every hole through the draft.
We've also had some good fortune with older vet DB's in the past... Madison, McQuarters, Grant...
I don't really have any issue with this.
"At the end of the day..."
Because he slipped by on the senior bus
If it's costing us any kind of real money it's an annoying signing IMO.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
Mentor is a word.
Like the guard signing as well.
Expect to see both interior and exterior front 7 er's drafted and maybe even a few safeties.
Mic'd up against the Eagles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZ7Dgk5KPA
Mic'd up against the 49ers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2HMMzkx8UQ
I wonder how many people complaining are basing their critique on his actual performance?
Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.
He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.
He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.
He is so old, that he was born on Pangaea, and fought off T-Rexes with just a stick.
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
Guy is a stopgap for the future. Nothing wrong with that.
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...this signing?
At 4:35 I responded to your post and said 2017 (Bettcher's last year in AZ when they were still running a 3-4)
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
Youre annoying.
You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
True or false, vets mentor rookies.
True or false, Jonathon Stewart was brought in last year to be a stabilizing locker room presence.
What's the shitty take?
-Neither had an interception
-Both had 1 Forced Fumble
-Bethea had 3 sacks, Collins had 0
-Bethea had 100 solo tackles and 21 assists to Collins 67 solo tackles and 29 assists. Honestly, I would expect the SS to be higher in this category.
-Both had 5 tackles for loss
-Bethea had 6 QB hits and Collings had 2 QB hits
-Collins missed 4 games so that skews the stats a little
-All of Collins stats have declined since his 2016 year
-Outside of interceptions, Bethea had his best year last year
-Bethea was listed as a FS last year but has played both FS and SS throughout his career. Collins has been predominantly listed as a SS.
I get that he's older but, depending on the cost, I think it's a great pickup. He's a placeholder for now but a pretty good placeholder. A veteran on what will be a young defense that can still play.
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and he gets the collision aspect of football.
Beal, Jenkins and Haley at CB. We are not done adding players.
In coverage terms, we have a huge upgrade at the back end of our defence.
Obviously it's not everything especially when age is a factor, but this was re: 2018 so that's added value given our pass rush issues
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