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Giants sign S Antoine Bethea

Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:16 pm
2-year deal, per Reggie Wayne
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Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:16 pm : link
Reggie Wayne
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🚨🚨Breaking News🚨🚨 Entering his 14th year safety @ABethea41 signs a 2 year deal with the @Giants
Good player  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
stop gap. Hopefully didn't overpay.

It's a start.
Dude is a 100 years old!  
figgy2989 : 3/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
Better be low money.
Snore  
JonC : 3/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
bargain bin.
Nice  
Amtoft : 3/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
Hope the numbers come back decent. He was cut so he doesn't count against the comp thing.
Did we coax both Bethea and Reggie Wayne  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:17 pm : link
out of retirement?
Dumpster dive.  
section125 : 3/12/2019 3:18 pm : link
Need bodies to fill positions at a low rate.
Reggie Wayne  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 3:18 pm : link
is breaking news?
Sexy moves  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:19 pm : link
pic?
Pat McAfee  
Big Rick in FL : 3/12/2019 3:19 pm : link
And many others around the league talk very very highly of him. Don't mind the signing at all.
RE: Reggie Wayne  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14326940 ajr2456 said:
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is breaking news?


They're probably sharing the same room in the nursing home.
RE: Reggie Wayne  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14326940 ajr2456 said:
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is breaking news?


Apparently. Haha
RE: Snore  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2019 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14326936 JonC said:
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bargain bin.


Snore? Jon, come on. He's not that bad.

He had over 100 tackles and 3 sacks last year. 5 picks the year before.

This is a fine stop gap.
Bethea  
Amtoft : 3/12/2019 3:20 pm : link
121 tackles last year... He aint finished.
I saw DG hopping in the dumpster behind the strip mall across the road  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 3:21 pm : link
Now I know why.
I'm fine with the stop gap.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 3:21 pm : link
At least Gettleman realizes to not 'go for it' in 2019, and it's really about 2020 and beyond. I'm good with it. Glad DG realizes it's not about 2019.
RE: Dumpster dive.  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14326939 section125 said:
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Need bodies to fill positions at a low rate.


Pretty much what I've been saying all day.
There's a chance his play doesn't level off sharply  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 3:21 pm : link
but he's 34 years old. The odds aren't in his favor.
Ok with it - he was good 2 years ago and still had 120 tkls last year  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2019 3:22 pm : link
100 solo - which is a big number regardless of age. Had 5 interceptions his 1 year with Bettcher in AZ so this would seemingly be a solid move in a deon grant-esque mentoring role to whoever they draft.
Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:22 pm : link
DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
was  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/12/2019 3:23 pm : link
cut, so filled a roster spot without effecting comp formula. I guess thats a good thing. More and more feeling like this years free agency / team is just building to next year much like last year. Plug holes for time being, build through draft, and wouldn't in the least bit be suprised come trade deadline we see more of the Jenkins for a pick & Shepard for a pick type deal. Try and get as many picks going into next years draft so that hopefully come 2020 offseason a core of younger players have developed, a multitude of picks from Collins comp and vet trades and potentially 80+ mil in cap space. If they suprise and win a few games and their pick doesn't coincide with the top of the draft then their ultimate trade bait to get back to the top of the draft comes out with Odell.
Didn't realize he's still playing  
micky : 3/12/2019 3:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: Dumpster dive.  
section125 : 3/12/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14326956 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14326939 section125 said:


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Need bodies to fill positions at a low rate.



Pretty much what I've been saying all day.


Did not mean it negatively - he may do very well for them. Been around a long time and played some quality years.
RE: RE: Reggie Wayne  
Fast Eddie : 3/12/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14326947 SHO'NUFF said:
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is breaking news?



They're probably sharing the same room in the nursing home.


Bwaaa haaaaa
Holes everywhere  
AcesUp : 3/12/2019 3:24 pm : link
These signings are necessary. You need to fill out a roster but don't want a negative longterm impact.
PFF  
DanMetroMan : 3/12/2019 3:24 pm : link
64.6 grade, comparatively Collins 70.4
Replaced one 3x pro bowler  
Damon : 3/12/2019 3:25 pm : link
With another...
Versital player. Both S spots. Had 5 picks under Bettcher in 17... 121 tackles last year. Good mentor... good for depth. Solid pick up.
I honestly had no idea he was still an active player.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 3:25 pm : link
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he was awesome  
GiantsLaw : 3/12/2019 3:25 pm : link
in tecmo superbowl
He's  
moaltch : 3/12/2019 3:26 pm : link
also a quality blitzer.
Versatile..  
Damon : 3/12/2019 3:26 pm : link
Sorry
RE: he was awesome  
Go Terps : 3/12/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14326972 GiantsLaw said:
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in tecmo superbowl


Fantastic post.
RE: RE: Snore  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14326950 Brown Recluse said:
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bargain bin.



Snore? Jon, come on. He's not that bad.

He had over 100 tackles and 3 sacks last year. 5 picks the year before.

This is a fine stop gap.


I think two of them were off of Eli, IIRC
This  
Professor Falken : 3/12/2019 3:27 pm : link
works for me.
Bethea - ( New Window )
The obsession  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 3:27 pm : link
over not affecting the comp pick is nauseating at this point.
RE: he was awesome  
figgy2989 : 3/12/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14326972 GiantsLaw said:
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in tecmo superbowl


Well Done
at this point, i'm convinced DG is going all in on offense  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
and i'm okay with it. I'm okay with winning/losing games on the 37-31 range.
DG: "Hey Giants fans!! ARE YOU READY???  
micky : 3/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
I found our safety ..whoot!! Bethea!!!!"

RE: PFF  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14326969 DanMetroMan said:
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64.6 grade, comparatively Collins 70.4


Their 2017 grades were also both close, though obviously the fear of a dropoff with a 34 year old is far more significant.

Bethea - 86.7 (his 1 year with Bettcher)
Collins - 88.5

good discount signing assuming it's a few mil.
Holy Shit  
figgy2989 : 3/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
Something Go Terps and I agree on.
He is only 35  
Vanzetti : 3/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
In July.
I think the money will determine whether they're paying as a full-  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:28 pm : link
timer or as a third safety, ala Deon Grant
Bethea  
Professor Falken : 3/12/2019 3:29 pm : link
mic'd up. Hugs Bettcher at the :22 mark.
Bethea - ( New Window )
good move  
GiantsFan84 : 3/12/2019 3:30 pm : link
first the comp pick thing is important. all the good teams factor it in

second, if they are going to go young at safety, it makes sense to have a veteran back there and show these kids the ropes. a veteran who still can play a little too. this isn't jonathan stewart

i have to imagine the money is small.

if so this is a good move.
I like how some people call him "Buh-They" and other people  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:31 pm : link
call him "BUh-They-Uh"
Not bad for a dumpster dive  
Heisenberg : 3/12/2019 3:31 pm : link
Not too fucking inspiring either.
Hopefully he has a similar impact  
Snacks : 3/12/2019 3:31 pm : link
to when we signed Deon Grant for a couple of years.
RE: I honestly had no idea he was still an active player.  
.McL. : 3/12/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14326971 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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+1
I think  
Fish : 3/12/2019 3:32 pm : link
Sam Madison / RW Mcquarters here. Like it.
what's next? Giants sign  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:34 pm : link
S Antrelle Rolle?
and he's better than curtis freaking riley  
GiantsFan84 : 3/12/2019 3:34 pm : link
so there's that
Is he a qualified UFA?  
.McL. : 3/12/2019 3:34 pm : link
I would hate to lose a nice comp pick for him.
RE: I like how some people call him  
Joey in VA : 3/12/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14326994 Anakim said:
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call him "BUh-They-Uh"
I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.
didn't he play in the 80's?  
Tom from LI : 3/12/2019 3:35 pm : link
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Pretty great career  
Kyle in NY : 3/12/2019 3:36 pm : link
especially for a 6th round pick. Closing in on 200 games played and seems like he has a bit left in the tank based on his play last season. This is likely what the signings are going to look like this offseason and I'm ok with that. Need to nail this draft and keep flexibility moving forward
RE: RE: I like how some people call him  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14327008 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 14326994 Anakim said:


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call him "BUh-They-Uh"

I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.


Is it An-TAWN or An-TWAN?
35 in July  
JonC : 3/12/2019 3:38 pm : link
ancient for a DB, the wheels tend to fall off the cliff. He's a serviceable player, it just shines the light on their stop gap status. No jewles, an old hand me down.
The comp pick is needed for  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 3:38 pm : link
many posters favorite dance. The Gettleman justification shuffle.

We heard Gettleman thought he could sign him to a reasonable deal or that he had no value now that those have been debunked the comp pick is the only thing left.

It doesnt matter that weve heard we have been on some players that would certainly counter act that pick, DG has typed on many air keyboards and hes executing his master plan.
RE: I like how some people call him  
Big Rick in FL : 3/12/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14326994 Anakim said:
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call him "BUh-They-Uh"


It's the first one
WTF  
Elite Mobster #32 : 3/12/2019 3:39 pm : link
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Guessing  
Jon in NYC : 3/12/2019 3:40 pm : link
10 Mil total with limited guaranteed money for year 2
The SiriusXM NFL channel guys like it.  
Reese's Pieces : 3/12/2019 3:40 pm : link
He never misses a game. Fans won't like it.
Gettleman has a plan  
Canton : 3/12/2019 3:40 pm : link
RE: RE: I like how some people call him  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14327008 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 14326994 Anakim said:


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call him "BUh-They-Uh"

I am mailing you a yo-yo and a rubber ball to play with. You seem incredibly easy to entertain if you give a flying ducky about the pronunciation of an uncommon last name.


Don't forget the shiny object
RE: The SiriusXM NFL channel guys like it.  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14327025 Reese's Pieces said:
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He never misses a game. Fans won't like it.


Welp, you just jinxed it.
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Danny Kanell : 3/12/2019 3:44 pm : link
I thought he passed away.
This will help Beal  
MotownGIANTS : 3/12/2019 3:45 pm : link
with Janoris, Bethea and that film study he should get up to speed real quick.

Having a vet like that will be ideal especially if the nickle back ends up being a rookie.

This will balance out the "experience" and "wisdom" in the 2ndary.
RE: Is he a qualified UFA?  
rasbutant : 3/12/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14327007 .McL. said:
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I would hate to lose a nice comp pick for him.


Mar 8 2019 Released by Arizona (ARI), clearing $4.75M of cap
RE: .  
Joey in VA : 3/12/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14327037 Danny Kanell said:
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I thought he passed away.
just give our training staff some time will ya.
RE: Replaced one 3x pro bowler  
AcidTest : 3/12/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14326970 Damon said:
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With another...
Versital player. Both S spots. Had 5 picks under Bettcher in 17... 121 tackles last year. Good mentor... good for depth. Solid pick up.


Agreed. But like others, I thought he had retired.
RE: Guessing  
Amtoft : 3/12/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14327022 Jon in NYC said:
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10 Mil total with limited guaranteed money for year 2


I am hoping for 2/8, but that may be wishful thinking.
Now Eli has a partner for Bingo Night.  
bceagle05 : 3/12/2019 3:48 pm : link
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RE: RE: he was awesome  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14326976 Go Terps said:
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in tecmo superbowl



Fantastic post.


Oustanding
PFF rates him as 13th best Safety  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 3:54 pm : link
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RE: PFF rates him as 13th best Safety  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14327074 montanagiant said:
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In what year?
In line with the value Gettleman places on safeties  
jeff57 : 3/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
If not the whole secondary.
....  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 3:58 pm : link
Off the scrap heap I love it haha
I love when people here pick and choose when PFF  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
matters and when it doesn't. LOL. Never change.
I feel like Spring Training Scene in  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
Major League as Jake is coming to the field for teh first time. Wish we had him 2 years ago. We did! Five years ago then.
RE: Now Eli has a partner for Bingo Night.  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14327052 bceagle05 said:
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He already did: DG.
Jeesh  
Rflairr : 3/12/2019 4:02 pm : link
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good veteran signing  
ryanmkeane : 3/12/2019 4:05 pm : link
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Lol..  
prdave73 : 3/12/2019 4:08 pm : link
Smh...
RE: RE: Is he a qualified UFA?  
.McL. : 3/12/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14327043 rasbutant said:
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I would hate to lose a nice comp pick for him.



Mar 8 2019 Released by Arizona (ARI), clearing $4.75M of cap

Thanks...
Good to know!
I'm ok with this  
Essex : 3/12/2019 4:11 pm : link
assuming it is low price.
RE: I feel like Spring Training Scene in  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/12/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14327094 jvm52106 said:
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Major League as Jake is coming to the field for teh first time. Wish we had him 2 years ago. We did! Five years ago then.


is that you, Tolbert?! This isn't very funny, you know. I'm hung over! My knees are killin' me and if you're going to pull this shit at least you could've said you were from the Yankees.
Insurance  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/12/2019 4:11 pm : link
RW & Everson served us well...
Im also just wondering where the asshats were on this  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 4:11 pm : link
not one person saw Bethea get off a plane?
He has played both FS  
Doomster : 3/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
and SS......just 4 passes defended in 16 as a FS does not bode well....35 next year? Your are suppose to get rid of these guys one year early, not one year late....
RE: RE: Now Eli has a partner for Bingo Night.  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14327098 The_Boss said:
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He already did: DG.


False. Eli and DG go antiquing together, not Bingo.
RE: Im also just wondering where the asshats were on this  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14327132 NoGainDayne said:
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not one person saw Bethea get off a plane?


Plane? Not one person saw him rising from his grave.
Hes still one of the better athletes  
KWALL2 : 3/12/2019 4:16 pm : link
at the position. He can still run and cover.

We have nothing on defense. Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.
Antoine Bethea  
Dnew15 : 3/12/2019 4:18 pm : link
the Jonathan Stewart of safeties.
wow  
mdc1 : 3/12/2019 4:21 pm : link
more stupid on the rebuild steps
Shouldn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2019 4:24 pm : link
your neck have fallen off by now??

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Lol..
prdave73 : 4:08 pm : link : reply
Smh...


Lets just violate the shit out of the cap  
VinegarPeppers : 3/12/2019 4:26 pm : link
going for all the prime beef and tell the league to F off.

SMH
Reminiscent of the Brent Alexander signing in 2004.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/12/2019 4:27 pm : link
In his two years here, the Giants were 6-10 and 11-5. Alexander wasnt the reason they stunk in 2004. And he wasnt the reason they were five games better in 2006.
Sorry, 2005.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/12/2019 4:28 pm : link
Not 2006.
Is this another vet retirement package  
morrison40 : 3/12/2019 4:31 pm : link
Like Stewart ? Is Gettleman getting comped by AARP?
RE: Sorry, 2005.  
Matt in SGS : 3/12/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14327172 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Not 2006.


Yes, and Vencie Glenn, John Booty, Deon Grant, etc. Veteran safety. Will help for leadership on defense (again, agree or disagree, this is important to Gettleman). Stopgap player. We need to be realistic about this team and this roster, they need to build through the draft. Especially on defense. So getting a veteran out there, who knows what it takes to be a successful pro, is important.
People comparing this signing to Stewart are just lazy  
Brown Recluse : 3/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
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RE: RE: PFF rates him as 13th best Safety  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14327077 NoGainDayne said:
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In what year?

2017
RE: People comparing this signing to Stewart are just lazy  
Amtoft : 3/12/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14327182 Brown Recluse said:
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Yeah if Stewart was coming off a 1200+ yard rushing season maybe.
RE: Hes still one of the better athletes  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14327145 KWALL2 said:
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Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.


Could be true! Which tells you everything you need to know about the 2019 Giants defense.
RE: .  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14327037 Danny Kanell said:
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I thought he passed away.


Whole lotta stupid on this thread...  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 4:37 pm : link
...and from the usual suspects.

It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
RE: Whole lotta stupid on this thread...  
mfsd : 3/12/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14327190 Torrag said:
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...and from the usual suspects.

It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.


Bah. A bunch of couch potatoes on BBI who never stepped into a football locker room taught us leadership, experience and team culture add no value.
signing Bethea is a solid move as long  
Jersey55 : 3/12/2019 4:43 pm : link
as we draft a good safety for him to mentor....
As old as he is...  
Amtoft : 3/12/2019 4:44 pm : link
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
At this rate , almost our entire draft is going to be defense  
Pan-handler : 3/12/2019 4:45 pm : link
So many holes to still fill.
RE: As old as he is...  
Pan-handler : 3/12/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14327215 Amtoft said:
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In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.


Wow...ageless wonder
Does he sleep in a hyperbaric chamber?  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 4:49 pm : link
Like that psycho Romanowski used too? Haha.
RE: At this rate , almost our entire draft is going to be defense  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14327224 Pan-handler said:
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So many holes to still fill.


Defense almost literally couldn't be worse than it was last year so scrapping most of it and starting over is probably a good call.
RE: As old as he is...  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14327215 Amtoft said:
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In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but thats just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.


Not sure why this is such a terrible move.... but, most of the people here are just logging in every day in attack mode ready to rip anything the team does, so... it's no surprise this is yet another ridiculous thread full of overreactions.

We have a lot of holes to fill, and we're going to have to scrap heap dive a bit to do it.
RE: Hes still one of the better athletes  
christian : 3/12/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14327145 KWALL2 said:
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at the position. He can still run and cover.

We have nothing on defense. Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.


That's a sobering, true statement.

At least we got our locker room signing out of the way.
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.

I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
I was pumped when I read about this signing.  
Boy Cord : 3/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
Then I realized its 2019, not 2009.
Not sure if you are intentionally quoting  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
2 seasons ago or not but this has him ranked #63
PFF Bethea this past season - ( New Window )
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Amtoft : 3/12/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14327261 arcarsenal said:
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BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.

I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.


It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
Almost 35  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2019 4:57 pm : link
Honestly, cant say this news makes me feel giddy......
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arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14327268 Amtoft said:
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BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.

I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.



It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.


Agree.

I don't really like PFF - but even last year, he was still in the "average" range by their measure and his coverage was still solid. So, can't really use PFF to knock him much - they don't say he was bad.

I don't know why this is a bad signing at all, really... I'm guessing it's a year or two, won't put a dent in our chances at a comp pick for Collins, IIRC.

We can't fill every hole through the draft.

We've also had some good fortune with older vet DB's in the past... Madison, McQuarters, Grant...

I don't really have any issue with this.
RE: what's next? Giants sign  
micky : 3/12/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14327004 SHO'NUFF said:
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S Antrelle Rolle?


"At the end of the day..."
RE: Im also just wondering where the asshats were on this  
micky : 3/12/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14327132 NoGainDayne said:
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not one person saw Bethea get off a plane?


Because he slipped by on the senior bus
I think most people are just making fun of him for being old  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 5:09 pm : link
I'm assuming this is a cheap signing and am rather indifferent to it.

If it's costing us any kind of real money it's an annoying signing IMO.
RE: Safety with #6  
djm : 3/12/2019 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14326960 SHO'NUFF said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.


Youre annoying.

You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
Like The Getts moves so far  
idiotsavant : 3/12/2019 5:32 pm : link
This signing doesn't in any way preclude drafting safety or two.

Mentor is a word.

Like the guard signing as well.

Expect to see both interior and exterior front 7 er's drafted and maybe even a few safeties.

Just looking at the veteran leadership aspect  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/12/2019 5:34 pm : link
Some vids

Mic'd up against the Eagles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZ7Dgk5KPA

Mic'd up against the 49ers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2HMMzkx8UQ
What are the terms?  
Giants38 : 3/12/2019 5:43 pm : link
Youd think someone would actually write them down.
Why the Hate?  
Festina Lente : 3/12/2019 5:43 pm : link
I am shocked (and disappointed) at some of the responses to this post. We have a millions spots to fill and we need guys to guide incoming rookies. This guy seems to have good stats and health to boot. The only way I could get upset is if they overpaid.
I wonder how many people complaining are basing their critique on his actual performance?
This is the funniest  
Jerry K : 3/12/2019 5:44 pm : link
thread I've read on BBI in years.

Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.

He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.
RE: RE: Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14327344 djm said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



Youre annoying.

You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.


This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14327395 SHO'NUFF said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



Youre annoying.

You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?


These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
RE: This is the funniest  
.McL. : 3/12/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14327392 Jerry K said:
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thread I've read on BBI in years.

Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.

He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.

He is so old, that he was born on Pangaea, and fought off T-Rexes with just a stick.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14327426 arcarsenal said:
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



Youre annoying.

You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?



These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.


So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Leading tackler  
XBRONX : 3/12/2019 6:06 pm : link
on a great run defense. Yes, a lot of stupid here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2019 6:09 pm : link
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



Youre annoying.

You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?



These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.



So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?


Which rookie is he mentoring?

This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.

Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
so....  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/12/2019 6:13 pm : link
we don't have a lot of salary cap, the market is stupid hot and we don't have enough draft choices to completely rebuild the team. So a relatively cheap veteran who still can play to fill one of our holes is somehow a bad thing.

Guy is a stopgap for the future. Nothing wrong with that.
Highlights  
HomerJones45 : 3/12/2019 6:16 pm : link
They are from his Colts days but here you go.
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Who really cares about...  
M.S. : 3/12/2019 6:20 pm : link

...this signing?
Stopgap signing.  
FStubbs : 3/12/2019 6:23 pm : link
As long as it wasn't for too much, at least we're not down someone who can start in 2019 in place of Landon Collins.
RE: Not sure if you are intentionally quoting  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14327264 NoGainDayne said:
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2 seasons ago or not but this has him ranked #63 PFF Bethea this past season - ( New Window )

At 4:35 I responded to your post and said 2017 (Bettcher's last year in AZ when they were still running a 3-4)
RE: Stopgap signing.  
SGMen : 3/12/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14327472 FStubbs said:
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As long as it wasn't for too much, at least we're not down someone who can start in 2019 in place of Landon Collins.
Exactly, he is a veteran body for camp. If he has a year left in him well great, its a bonus.
Also  
XBRONX : 3/12/2019 6:32 pm : link
very effective blitzer.
Walter Football on Bethea -  
Ira : 3/12/2019 6:33 pm : link
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Antoine Bethea used to be a solid player, but his play took a dip last year. He still covered well, but missed too many tackles.
He was a pretty good safety......  
Simms11 : 3/12/2019 6:35 pm : link
Hopefully he still has something in him. Hes a lot like Collins, except much cheaper. Good tackler, but probably suspect coverage skills at 35.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Safety with #6  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 6:35 pm : link
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.



Youre annoying.

You dont want to over spend. You dont want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.



This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?



These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.



So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?



Which rookie is he mentoring?

This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.

Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?


True or false, vets mentor rookies.

True or false, Jonathon Stewart was brought in last year to be a stabilizing locker room presence.

What's the shitty take?
Just another episode of 'Tales of the Crypt'  
Canton : 3/12/2019 6:35 pm : link
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True,Stewart was brought in to 'mentor' a player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 6:38 pm : link
Also true, it wasn't necessary, unless you want to attribute a player the entire world knew was great to having a successful season because good ol' J-Stew was there for him on the bench.
I think certain people want to shit on others  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 6:42 pm : link
just to do it. I can say the sky is blue and it would be a "shitty take". Whatever improves your low self-esteem, pal.
Riley lead the  
XBRONX : 3/12/2019 6:44 pm : link
NFL safeties in missed tackles.
Bethea  
stretch234 : 3/12/2019 6:52 pm : link
Spend the dollars to get an effective pass rush and everything behind them gets better
stretch  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:06 pm : link
spend and draft
While this move reminds me of the Jonathan Stewart signing,  
smshmth8690 : 3/12/2019 7:07 pm : link
it ain't the same thing. Stewart was brought in to help in the locker room, it looks like Bethea is coming to start. Maybe a draft pick changes that, but it will be with his help. Besides Bethea is the age now that Andrew Whitworth was when he wasn't brought here, and many here were willing to overlook his age.
I find it interesting that his stats  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/12/2019 7:17 pm : link
last year are better than Landon Collins.

-Neither had an interception
-Both had 1 Forced Fumble
-Bethea had 3 sacks, Collins had 0
-Bethea had 100 solo tackles and 21 assists to Collins 67 solo tackles and 29 assists. Honestly, I would expect the SS to be higher in this category.
-Both had 5 tackles for loss
-Bethea had 6 QB hits and Collings had 2 QB hits
-Collins missed 4 games so that skews the stats a little
-All of Collins stats have declined since his 2016 year
-Outside of interceptions, Bethea had his best year last year
-Bethea was listed as a FS last year but has played both FS and SS throughout his career. Collins has been predominantly listed as a SS.

I get that he's older but, depending on the cost, I think it's a great pickup. He's a placeholder for now but a pretty good placeholder. A veteran on what will be a young defense that can still play.
at the least  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:17 pm : link
he can QB the secondary. and better than any free safety we've had in a while. wonder if buchanan will be part of package deal?
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came into the league  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:26 pm : link
with pretty good speed so his aging might not be that bad. he was a 4.39 guy when drafted. if he's 4.6 or so now, w/experience and football IQ - could work for year or two.

and he gets the collision aspect of football.
bottom line  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 7:27 pm : link
we had nothing close to a starter on the team prior to this signing. and he knows Bettcher's system
At least we can field a team now  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2019 7:50 pm : link
He can play Free Safety with Michael Thomas at SS.
Beal, Jenkins and Haley at CB. We are not done adding players.

How much better is a back 2  
Matt M. : 3/12/2019 8:59 pm : link
of a 34 year old Bethea and Peppers? Bethea seems to still be able to play, but at his age that is no guarantee.
RE: How much better is a back 2  
Big_Pete : 3/12/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14328475 Matt M. said:
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of a 34 year old Bethea and Peppers? Bethea seems to still be able to play, but at his age that is no guarantee.

In coverage terms, we have a huge upgrade at the back end of our defence.
That's nice...  
Anakim : 3/12/2019 11:48 pm : link
We still need a FS. Peppers moves in as the SS, Bethea should be the #3 S ala Deon Grant, and now, we need a playmaking FS.
Matt M  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 12:08 am : link
Night and day, difference. Clearly upgraded the secondary. Most important, you have a player on the field who can QB the secondary. Haven't had that in a while.
He so old  
giantsFC : 3/13/2019 12:28 am : link
He wasnt called out as a troll when he signed up for BBI
One additional tidbit I didn't see posted here  
ChaChing : 3/13/2019 1:11 am : link
tho USAF's post above mentioned some of the same stats:

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But where Bethea really beats out other safeties is when hes called upon to blitz or rush the passer. PFF had him leading all league safeties with a 17.9 pass-rush productivity rating, which included 12 pressures, six hurries, three hits, three sacks on 42 pass-rush snaps

Obviously it's not everything especially when age is a factor, but this was re: 2018 so that's added value given our pass rush issues

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