It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
Bah. A bunch of couch potatoes on BBI who never stepped into a football locker room taught us leadership, experience and team culture add no value.
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
At this rate , almost our entire draft is going to be defense Â
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
In 2018, Bethea appeared in all 16 games, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. He also played 99.64 percent of the Cardinals defensive snaps, which was the most on the team and among the most in the league.
Not sure why this is such a terrible move.... but, most of the people here are just logging in every day in attack mode ready to rip anything the team does, so... it's no surprise this is yet another ridiculous thread full of overreactions.
We have a lot of holes to fill, and we're going to have to scrap heap dive a bit to do it.
BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
Agree.
I don't really like PFF - but even last year, he was still in the "average" range by their measure and his coverage was still solid. So, can't really use PFF to knock him much - they don't say he was bad.
I don't know why this is a bad signing at all, really... I'm guessing it's a year or two, won't put a dent in our chances at a comp pick for Collins, IIRC.
We can't fill every hole through the draft.
We've also had some good fortune with older vet DB's in the past... Madison, McQuarters, Grant...
I am shocked (and disappointed) at some of the responses to this post. We have a millions spots to fill and we need guys to guide incoming rookies. This guy seems to have good stats and health to boot. The only way I could get upset is if they overpaid.
I wonder how many people complaining are basing their critique on his actual performance?
DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
we don't have a lot of salary cap, the market is stupid hot and we don't have enough draft choices to completely rebuild the team. So a relatively cheap veteran who still can play to fill one of our holes is somehow a bad thing.
Guy is a stopgap for the future. Nothing wrong with that.
DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
True or false, vets mentor rookies.
True or false, Jonathon Stewart was brought in last year to be a stabilizing locker room presence.
Also true, it wasn't necessary, unless you want to attribute a player the entire world knew was great to having a successful season because good ol' J-Stew was there for him on the bench.
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2017
Yeah if Stewart was coming off a 1200+ yard rushing season maybe.
Could be true! Which tells you everything you need to know about the 2019 Giants defense.
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
It takes leaders and experience to win games and show young players how to do it right. That said the bottomline will be what they paid him. I haven't seen numbers but until I do 'll reserve judgement. It's ludicrous to bash or praise this signing without the context of cost.
Bah. A bunch of couch potatoes on BBI who never stepped into a football locker room taught us leadership, experience and team culture add no value.
Wow...ageless wonder
Defense almost literally couldn't be worse than it was last year so scrapping most of it and starting over is probably a good call.
Not sure why this is such a terrible move.... but, most of the people here are just logging in every day in attack mode ready to rip anything the team does, so... it's no surprise this is yet another ridiculous thread full of overreactions.
We have a lot of holes to fill, and we're going to have to scrap heap dive a bit to do it.
We have nothing on defense. Even at 35, he may be our best defensive player in 2019.
That's a sobering, true statement.
At least we got our locker room signing out of the way.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
PFF Bethea this past season - ( New Window )
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
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BTW- Amtoft, I don't mean you - just citing that bit you posted about Bethea - clearly he still had some legs last year.
I doubt he's going to be worse than any of the non-Collins safeties we've deployed here lately. At least he'll know what he's doing.
It can't be about me... I like the signing. Depending on the cost of course. I posted that because even at his age to play that many snaps means he wasn't slowing down at the end of the game. That is a good thing.
Agree.
I don't really like PFF - but even last year, he was still in the "average" range by their measure and his coverage was still solid. So, can't really use PFF to knock him much - they don't say he was bad.
I don't know why this is a bad signing at all, really... I'm guessing it's a year or two, won't put a dent in our chances at a comp pick for Collins, IIRC.
We can't fill every hole through the draft.
We've also had some good fortune with older vet DB's in the past... Madison, McQuarters, Grant...
I don't really have any issue with this.
"At the end of the day..."
Because he slipped by on the senior bus
If it's costing us any kind of real money it's an annoying signing IMO.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
Mentor is a word.
Like the guard signing as well.
Expect to see both interior and exterior front 7 er's drafted and maybe even a few safeties.
Mic'd up against the Eagles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZ7Dgk5KPA
Mic'd up against the 49ers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2HMMzkx8UQ
I wonder how many people complaining are basing their critique on his actual performance?
Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.
He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
Antoine Bethea is so old the Dead Sea was still alive when he started playing.
He is so old ... he and Aaron Ross could be twins.
He is so old, that he was born on Pangaea, and fought off T-Rexes with just a stick.
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
Guy is a stopgap for the future. Nothing wrong with that.
Enjoy - ( New Window )
...this signing?
At 4:35 I responded to your post and said 2017 (Bettcher's last year in AZ when they were still running a 3-4)
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DG signed Bethea to be a mentor and locker room guy. Stewart 2.0.
You’re annoying.
You don’t want to over spend. You don’t want to lose the comp picks... well.... this is how it works. This is what the precious pats do.
This is the pattern. Sign old vet to mentor new rookie. What's the issue?
These steaming takes just keep getting worse... good lord.
So vets don't mentor rookies in the NFL?
Which rookie is he mentoring?
This is nothing like Jonathan Stewart - Bethea was actually productive last year and is being brought here to start, and play. Not carry the ball 2 times a game and be a beacon of light in the locker room.
Any other shitty takes you want to throw out there?
True or false, vets mentor rookies.
True or false, Jonathon Stewart was brought in last year to be a stabilizing locker room presence.
What's the shitty take?