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yes, i know....more OBJ news....but I just saw this

Jints in Carolina : 3/12/2019 3:36 pm
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The Antonio Brown-to-49ers prospect was never met with equal interest from both sides. The Odell Beckham situation is a different story.

The 49ers have reportedly had “real interest” in the three-time Pro Bowl receiver since last year. Beckham has reportedly reciprocated that interest, saying he would most likely to be traded to either the 49ers or Los Angeles Rams, according to Colin Cowherd.


Hey Niners....you want him? Better start with the 2nd pick in the draft.
http://www.knbr.com/2019/03/12/odell-beckham-jr-is-most-interested-in-joining-49ers-or-rams-report/ - ( New Window )
i'm really interested, too,  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:37 pm : link
if they want to give up #2.
"according to Colin Cowherd"  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 3:39 pm : link
All you need to know.
RE: i'm really interested, too,  
mphbullet36 : 3/12/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14327014 SHO'NUFF said:
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if they want to give up #2.


yeah but not a pick swap situation...im not giving up OBJ and 6 just to move up to #2 and get a 2nd day pick and calling it a day.
RE: RE: i'm really interested, too,  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14327024 mphbullet36 said:
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In comment 14327014 SHO'NUFF said:


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if they want to give up #2.



yeah but not a pick swap situation...im not giving up OBJ and 6 just to move up to #2 and get a 2nd day pick and calling it a day.


exactly.
Cowherd loves to hear himself talk  
Jints in Carolina : 3/12/2019 3:41 pm : link
I'm surprised he pulled out his head from the NBA's ass long enough to talk about something else.
it  
Mr. Nickels : 3/12/2019 3:43 pm : link
has to be #2 and next year's 1 just to start
Stuff like this is why teams think DG will eventually  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 3:45 pm : link
Lessen his demands and ship him out of town. They think if Beckham is pushing to get moved, the NYG lose leverage.
RE: it  
Capt. Don : 3/12/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14327036 Mr. Nickels said:
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has to be #2 and next year's 1 just to start


Agreed and it wont be.
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Rjanyg : 3/12/2019 3:48 pm : link
In comment 14327042 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 14327036 Mr. Nickels said:


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has to be #2 and next year's 1 just to start



Agreed and it wont be.


Add the 2nd rounder this year and a player. How about Bruckner
"Beckham has reportedly reciprocated that interest"  
since1925 : 3/12/2019 3:48 pm : link
What's he going to do, trade himself. Is Beckham his own GM?
#2 and a couple lower round picks  
Oscar : 3/12/2019 3:49 pm : link
Would get it done for me. Beckham probably doesn’t fit this team’s timeline anymore and with #2 you can likely get Bosa. Not all first round picks are the same, giving up #2 is a lot and a couple lower round picks makes it worthwhile IMO.
If you can get #2 for Beckham..  
Sean : 3/12/2019 3:49 pm : link
you do it & run. SF is clearly feeling the pressure to win.
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SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14327050 since1925 said:
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What's he going to do, trade himself. Is Beckham his own GM?


Isn't that what Antonio Brown just did?
RE: If you can get #2 for Beckham..  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14327057 Sean said:
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you do it & run. SF is clearly feeling the pressure to win.



You guys r fucking nuts taking just #2
The accelerated cap hit  
RAIN : 3/12/2019 3:52 pm : link
Would make things tricky and compensation would have to be considerable.
Very simple  
The 12th Man : 3/12/2019 3:53 pm : link
No Thanks. Nothing to see here. I don't want Bosa. Save him for 2 years and use Odell to get Lawrence from Clemson.
Think we should ask for their #1 next year and  
TMS : 3/12/2019 3:53 pm : link
thier #2 and #3 this this year. Then we can go get a QB next year with a pair of #1s. Give DG those extra extra picks the year along with our own #6 and we are on our way to a bebuild. Does that compute value points wise ?
The number 2 pick in this draft is garbage value.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
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Am I crazy  
JFIB : 3/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
But I would rather take their 2nd and 3rd round picks and their 1st rounder next year. That would give us 2 ones next year to try and move up to select our next QB. draft an ER with the 6th, a new center and DB in the 2nd round and get back into the 3rd round this year. For that I would let OBJ go.
"Both sides"  
jhibb : 3/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
in this hypothetical does not equal the 49ers and OBJ, despite what Cowherd implies.
So has SF been tampering with one of our players?  
bradshaw44 : 3/12/2019 3:55 pm : link
Sure sounds like there has been some back channel talks.
If  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 3:56 pm : link
It's

#2
#34
2020 first

you could have my attention. Between the dead cap and losing a proven top 3 we for lottery tickets, I want serious compensation.

If those 3 picks r included I'd be okay
RE: The accelerated cap hit  
Scyber : 3/12/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14327070 RAIN said:
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Would make things tricky and compensation would have to be considerable.


Only his bonus would accelerate which means there would be $16m of dead money on the 2019 cap. But he currently counts for $21m of cap space. Trading him would free up $5.

The other dead money that some sites refer to is the guaranteed salary (all of 2019 and $2.75m of 2020). But that only accelerates if he is cut. In a trade the salary guarantees are taken over by the acquiring team. So the 49ers would be on the hook for that.
RE: Am I crazy  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14327079 JFIB said:
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But I would rather take their 2nd and 3rd round picks and their 1st rounder next year. That would give us 2 ones next year to try and move up to select our next QB. draft an ER with the 6th, a new center and DB in the 2nd round and get back into the 3rd round this year. For that I would let OBJ go.


Why would you take a potentially lower pick next year? If you could get the 2 and keep the 6, you'd rather have next year's #1?
Too much is unknown I guess  
Oscar : 3/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
What do the Giants think of Haskins? What do they think of these pass rush prospects? I doubt senior leadership has even really scouted next year’s QB class so I doubt they would make a move with Tua in mind for example, maybe that is wrong.
RE: RE: If you can get #2 for Beckham..  
MojoEd : 3/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14327061 BleedBlue said:
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you do it & run. SF is clearly feeling the pressure to win.




You guys r fucking nuts taking just #2

It woulld probably cost NYG roughly #6 and #37 this year and our our next year #1 to move up from 6 to 2. So if it’s just OBJ for #2, wouldn’t that put value OBJ @ ##6, 37 and next year’s (high) 1st? I don’t want to trade OBJ but that SF’s first round pick would be reasonable compensation.

Personally, I bet NYG only received low ball offers valuing OBJ off AB trade.
RE: RE: RE: If you can get #2 for Beckham..  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14327097 MojoEd said:
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In comment 14327057 Sean said:


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you do it & run. SF is clearly feeling the pressure to win.




You guys r fucking nuts taking just #2


It woulld probably cost NYG roughly #6 and #37 this year and our our next year #1 to move up from 6 to 2. So if it’s just OBJ for #2, wouldn’t that put value OBJ @ ##6, 37 and next year’s (high) 1st? I don’t want to trade OBJ but that SF’s first round pick would be reasonable compensation.

Personally, I bet NYG only received low ball offers valuing OBJ off AB trade.



You're literally trading bosa for OBJ. In what fucking world is that fair?

I said in other thread I'll bet my hotdog to your steak whoever goes #2 won't be better than OBJ. Obj is a HOF level talent
As long as he's the only thing that goes to SF  
arniefez : 3/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
it would be welcome news for the #2 and next years #1 or their #2 this year. 2. 6, 34, 37 NYG could draft a RT and 3 very good defensive players.
Beckham is a much better trade chip than AB  
Oscar : 3/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
Equivalent talent, five years younger and he’s on a long term deal. And while Beckham has his moments he’s not anything like the distraction that AB is.
The only way I would entertain this  
tyrik13 : 3/12/2019 4:06 pm : link
Is 3 first rd and 2 second round picks then we can have a discussion
RE: Think we should ask for their #1 next year and  
mrvax : 3/12/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14327072 TMS said:
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thier #2 and #3 this this year. Then we can go get a QB next year with a pair of #1s. Give DG those extra extra picks the year along with our own #6 and we are on our way to a bebuild. Does that compute value points wise ?


I like this idea.
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bw in dc : 3/12/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14327021 ajr2456 said:
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All you need to know.


He is friends with Lynch...fwiw.
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Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14327021 ajr2456 said:
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All you need to know.


Yep. One of the absolute dumbest individuals even within a subset of people, sports radio hosts, marked particularly by their extreme stupidity.
Read earlier that our staff likes next years 2020 QBs  
TMS : 3/12/2019 4:19 pm : link
a lot more.Trading two ones (ours and the niners) would put us in play in that lottery. Getting niners #2.#3 picks this year would be fair, but they will not give up #2 IMO. We need the capital to be players next year, for a QB. OBJ obviously wants to go wants to go so let him. Sure DG drives hard bargain.
QB  
Pep22 : 3/12/2019 4:22 pm : link
Next year, no the year after that...

They must fix the gaping $23mm hole at QB now.
RE: Read earlier that our staff likes next years 2020 QBs  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14327152 TMS said:
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a lot more.Trading two ones (ours and the niners) would put us in play in that lottery. Getting niners #2.#3 picks this year would be fair, but they will not give up #2 IMO. We need the capital to be players next year, for a QB. OBJ obviously wants to go wants to go so let him. Sure DG drives hard bargain.


Trading Odell to trade up in a draft where you have zero clue yet as to how the QBs will shake out when you could have taken a QB either of the last two years seems like terrible asset allocation.

What if the top three teams need QBs? Are we trading one of those picks for 2021 firsts to possibly trade up for Lawrence?
RE: The only way I would entertain this  
Pork Chop : 3/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14327116 tyrik13 said:
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Is 3 first rd and 2 second round picks then we can have a discussion


LOL you remind me of every single person that's ever been in one of my fantasy leagues.
pfffttt...  
Torrag : 3/12/2019 4:38 pm : link
...
Remember When we Traded for Eli ?  
Bob in Vt : 3/12/2019 4:39 pm : link
Many said we paid too much. But he gave us (2) Super Bowl championships. To me, in my opinion, he was well worth the price ... and I think many would agree.

A franchise QB is worth his weight in gold. You do what you have to to go get him. He will set the team up for 10+ years, barring injury.

So yes, If DG sees 1 or 2 franchise QB's in next years draft, you do what you have to, to go get one of them. No guts, no glory
smoke + fire  
2cents : 3/12/2019 4:39 pm : link
I get that most of this is click bait driven by the media but anytime rumors like this persists for so long they tend to come true.

I am not a fan of trading him but there is definitely a point where the return becomes to great to pass up, especially with the current state of the team. the rumored offers are starting to get in the right area code at least.

I would need to see a package like this to pull the trigger, no its not gunna be cheap.

- 2019 1st; 2020 1st; 3 picks between the 2nd/3rd from 2019/2020 and finally a rookie contract player with significant upside that we can plug directly into our defense.

if they dont match that price, I will happily roll with a OBJ and the next QB in.
Again, I am not advocating a trade or no trade  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 4:59 pm : link
just something to think about. The Giants are in the drivers seat here. Clearly teams out there are desperate for the player or players they think they need to make that run. Unlike the AB situation both the player and the team are acting like nothing is happening or better yet that they (both parties) are not trying to make something happen.

AB put the Steelers in a no win situation and forced their hand. Not just because he wanted a trade but because he came out and blasted the team, management and their star QB. He made it impossible for him to stay and made it so most other teams knew the Steelers were screwed. Thus the lower compensation (team to team) and AB's contract demands made the list of available suitors very small.

Beckham has a contract and is being quiet. The Giants keep saying we didn't sign him to trade him (thus if you want him you will need to attract us not the other way around).

If a trade does happen and I am starting to think there are real possibilities here as far as teams wanting and pursuing this. The idea many on here come with to any trade talks is that the Giants are begging to do a trade. I think they are doing the opposite, they are telling teams we aren't shopping him so if you want him it better knock our socks off or forget it.
RE: Again, I am not advocating a trade or no trade  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14327284 jvm52106 said:
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just something to think about. The Giants are in the drivers seat here. Clearly teams out there are desperate for the player or players they think they need to make that run. Unlike the AB situation both the player and the team are acting like nothing is happening or better yet that they (both parties) are not trying to make something happen.

AB put the Steelers in a no win situation and forced their hand. Not just because he wanted a trade but because he came out and blasted the team, management and their star QB. He made it impossible for him to stay and made it so most other teams knew the Steelers were screwed. Thus the lower compensation (team to team) and AB's contract demands made the list of available suitors very small.

Beckham has a contract and is being quiet. The Giants keep saying we didn't sign him to trade him (thus if you want him you will need to attract us not the other way around).

If a trade does happen and I am starting to think there are real possibilities here as far as teams wanting and pursuing this. The idea many on here come with to any trade talks is that the Giants are begging to do a trade. I think they are doing the opposite, they are telling teams we aren't shopping him so if you want him it better knock our socks off or forget it.


sorry, left a thought missing in that last paragraph, I am starting to think there are real possibilities here as far as teams wanting to pursue this as it just isn't going away. Free Agency has shown teams will pay a lot for what they need regardless of the players real value. SF might feel they are far closer to winning with a healthier team, their QB back and some new weapons!
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HomerJones45 : 3/12/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14327050 since1925 said:
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What's he going to do, trade himself. Is Beckham his own GM?
Brown did. Don't put it past Odell; he really wants to be on the west coast.
RE: it  
joeinpa : 3/12/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14327036 Mr. Nickels said:
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has to be #2 and next year's 1 just to start



The 49 ers are balking at the cost of this year s second pick, wanted to swap next year s first.

Gettleman might just trade Beckham if he can wangle this year s second pick.

If you think the 49 ers or any other team is giving two first round picks for a 26 year old receiver with an injury history, you are being unrealistic.

Gettleman wanted to trade him last year but acquiesce to Shurmur s desire to keep him.
I could believe it  
Jesse B : 3/12/2019 5:10 pm : link
Out near Hollywood and such. Who knows if anything will happen not crazy though
OBJ to Frisco  
dk in TX : 3/12/2019 5:12 pm : link
How about a swap of 2 and 6 plus Niners 2nd and 3rd round picks?

I will be tempted. 34th overall is almost a first round pick....
Maybe I am being obtuse  
Lionhart28 : 3/12/2019 6:30 pm : link
But how can the Giants possibly trade Odell right now? It would be 35.5M in dead money! That's a net of -14.5 million. That's got to be as much of a contributor to him not being traded as the quality/age of the player himself.
RE: The number 2 pick in this draft is garbage value.  
FStubbs : 3/12/2019 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14327076 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It's not enough for Beckham but it's a major start. You wouldn't want Nick Bosa or Quinnen Williams?
RE: OBJ to Frisco  
FStubbs : 3/12/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14327314 dk in TX said:
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How about a swap of 2 and 6 plus Niners 2nd and 3rd round picks?

I will be tempted. 34th overall is almost a first round pick....


Their 1, 2, and 3 would be close, but I'm not sending back the #6 overall. Maybe a 5th rounder goes back.
RE: RE: The number 2 pick in this draft is garbage value.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2019 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14327486 FStubbs said:
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It's not enough for Beckham but it's a major start. You wouldn't want Nick Bosa or Quinnen Williams?


I like both of those players, but if Quinnen Williams turns out to be Leonard Williams, it's still not great. I'd rather get a 2020 first round pick and collect something that can be used to settle the QB conversation.
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