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Here are the trade terms: Giants recieve a first-round pick in 2019 (No. 17 overall), the Browns' second third-round pick this year and S Jabril Peppers, source tells ESPN. Browns get Odell Beckham Jr.
So to repeat: Browns get Odell Beckham Jr. and Giants get a first-round pick, third-round pick and S Jabril Peppers, source tells ESPN. There's the trade.
Now the giants have zero premium players at premium positions
Im fine with totally tearing this down, but Gettleman should be fired for drafting a running back #2 overall and now basically admitting that this team is no where near winning. This clown should not be steering this ship
Here are the trade terms: Giants recieve a first-round pick in 2019 (No. 17 overall), the Browns' second third-round pick this year and S Jabril Peppers, source tells ESPN. Browns get Odell Beckham Jr.
Me too, great get at safety...but expected a better haul for OBJ...has to be more to the story...as in ownership has had enough of him and pushed the move
that you easily get 2 first round picks last year if you do it then. You basically paid him only to drag him through the mud and then eat 14.5 M in this years cap.
AND the browns get him at a discount without the bonus. I bet we watch him as part of a winner there. This is horrible.
never wanted him traded, but certainly wanted more than what we got. This is awful. I like Peppers, but at least another #2 was required, and even then I would have likely said no. Beckham is a generational talent on his second contract. Draft picks bust all the time.
If you sign a person to a free market (non-restricted by rookie rights, etc.) contract, his trade value is zero. This is because in theory all other teams could have offered him $1 more and won his services.
Once you trade him, they still have to pay him, despite formerly deciding he was not worth the price.
This is why stars that are signed on the open free agency market are often traded for low round picks.
Odell just signed a massive extension which made him the highest paid WR in the league. It's true this wasn't a true open market deal, as it was an extension, but seeing as it is the #1 salary in the NFL for his position, it's fair to say that his salary was commensurate with the market rate for his talent. This is why you don't get excess value for trading him.
I can see it now. The Giants trade their 17th pick to move up to get Haskins. That would be a real kick in the balls. Not getting anything for the trade.
Not a great haul. I do like Peppers who will be Collins replacement.
were true? Plus there is the observation that JonC and others put forth that he might never recover that burst. I would not be surprised if there is a conditional 2020 pick based on performance that we haven't heard about yet.
I can see it now. The Giants trade their 17th pick to move up to get Haskins. That would be a real kick in the balls. Not getting anything for the trade.
God if its that this makes it even more nauseating. I had that thought too.
I suggest you sit back and wait for the why. If something happened the past few months and it turns out Beckham was going to pull a Brown, then he got ahead of it and got what he could.
I dont like the return, but if shit went sour fast, when can you possibly expect?
step in the right direction, been waiting on a culture and step to get out of the bottom of the division and start winning. Gettleman had to make this move. Sitting at the bottom of the NFC East is NOT a good look to ownership.
I wonder if the Giants should just tear this all down. There is no franchise QB out there this year. If anything, next year is the year to find your QB. I really hope they aren't loading up to trade up for a Haskins.
never wanted him traded, but certainly wanted more than what we got. This is awful. I like Peppers, but at least another #2 was required, and even then I would have likely said no. Beckham is a generational talent on his second contract. Draft picks bust all the time.
I wonder if the Giants should just tear this all down. There is no franchise QB out there this year. If anything, next year is the year to find your QB. I really hope they aren't loading up to trade up for a Haskins.
step in the right direction, been waiting on a culture and step to get out of the bottom of the division and start winning. Gettleman had to make this move. Sitting at the bottom of the NFC East is NOT a good look to ownership.
Shut the fuck up you know nothing wannabe.
RE: Regarding the dead money, it should hurt this year, but we'll have
I can see it now. The Giants trade their 17th pick to move up to get Haskins. That would be a real kick in the balls. Not getting anything for the trade.
If you thought the Giants were getting a big haul for a guy that's played 16 games in two years and has the richest contract at the position, that's on you.
This is an absolute disgrace. I think he should be fired for this trade alone (even without many of his other questionable decisions). I am at a loss.
Don't forget about the cap/dead money hit people.
if it was a 1,2 and Peppers (who hasn't scratched the surface yet), then I could MAYBE buy this. But this is a package that they could get at ANY time. I'm betting OBJ told Gettleman he wants out NOW or he will be a horror show all next year. DGs response was fine, you're out of here. Bad job by Gettleman.
Holy crap! This is just an awful deal and about the only silver lining I can see is that Beckham can't pull an Antonio Brown and screw the franchise. Beyond that, I don't see one single redeeming thing from this trade.
If you sign a person to a free market (non-restricted by rookie rights, etc.) contract, his trade value is zero. This is because in theory all other teams could have offered him $1 more and won his services.
Once you trade him, they still have to pay him, despite formerly deciding he was not worth the price.
This is why stars that are signed on the open free agency market are often traded for low round picks.
Odell just signed a massive extension which made him the highest paid WR in the league. It's true this wasn't a true open market deal, as it was an extension, but seeing as it is the #1 salary in the NFL for his position, it's fair to say that his salary was commensurate with the market rate for his talent. This is why you don't get excess value for trading him.
this isn't exactly right.
- you only get to sign a player to one of these contracts (extension) if you already control them. there was not some other unrestricted WR of equal talent and production available to sign. if so, they could get more.
- the team taking over the contract is getting him at a discount (cap-wise).
so there is value. the amount is to be negotiated. i think this is a bad trade, since draft picks bust all the time. ugh.
the Giants are rudderless. This may or may not turn out ok for them in the long term but it just seems all the moves going back to last year are random and do not indicate an overall strategy that makes sense. That's what worries me.
As to what we got back.. after AB went for peanuts, what did you expect? This is actually about what I thought they would get.
This is a shockingly bad trade, although Im pretty sure this is more of a cultural issue. Its still a terrible return, unless DG knew Odell was gonna pull an AB. Still a really bad trade
It's hard to process but I do think they mostly got fair value. They clearly got a lot more than the Steelers got for AB. Mid-first, a recent first round pick who seems Landon Collin-ish, and a 3rd. That's not that far off 2 first round picks. I'm guessing there's not a lot of cap savings immediately but there will be long term.
Really impossible to process this, but a very ballsy move by Gettleman that on the face I don't think is the disaster some are making it out to be. I don't think this was their first choice so it's hard to say.
If you thought the Giants were getting a big haul for a guy that's played 16 games in two years and has the richest contract at the position, that's on you.
Welcome to the real world.
Your reward for being "right" is a handful more years of trash football to watch, operated by the Ian Allen of General Managers.
Having said that, if I can make a case for trading him, he's a distraction, has been injured more recently, and it's been mentioned here before: on slants this year it looked like those 80 yards TDs were turning into 20 yd gains.
Let's see what the Giants do with the picks........
WR dont win Superbowls by themselves. And hes china doll. Always hurt . Dont think Pepper is an All Pro but S isnt an issue anymore.
And a 1st and a 3rd.
I just started looking online at free agent wide receivers. There
Maybe we overvalued him. I'm sure Gettleman knows he's going to get killed for this, but from a roster building standpoint, its probably the right move. That's hard for me to say.
WR dont win Superbowls by themselves. And hes china doll. Always hurt . Dont think Pepper is an All Pro but S isnt an issue anymore.
And a 1st and a 3rd.
The ideas that come out of your mouth would indicate that you're half in the bag at all times.
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Not only did the Giants trade Beckham to the Browns, but the Browns traded the moniker of "worst-run franchise in the NFL" to the Giants.
by what Antonio Brown did to the Steelers...as in, the Giants felt compelled to get what they could for him now, rather than wait until he got in the mood to force a trade and seeing his value plummet
Nick Kostos
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Not only did the Giants trade Beckham to the Browns, but the Browns traded the moniker of "worst-run franchise in the NFL" to the Giants.
Nick Kostos
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Not only did the Giants trade Beckham to the Browns, but the Browns traded the moniker of "worst-run franchise in the NFL" to the Giants.
Im not getting a 2020 first rounder, rather that than pick 2019. Although at this point, the giants are punting in 2019. Im with some of the rest of you, release Eli and do a proper tank job.
We now have:
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
the Giants are rudderless. This may or may not turn out ok for them in the long term but it just seems all the moves going back to last year are random and do not indicate an overall strategy that makes sense. That's what worries me.
As to what we got back.. after AB went for peanuts, what did you expect? This is actually about what I thought they would get.
Seems to suggest we are rebuilding the team "core". We are losers and have not played basic football for years now. Time to pay the price and liquidate big names and salaries and get real football players. The culture needs to be built around stronger defense, oline, barkley, productive receivers and a game manager QB (guess its Eli). right now we are not even competitive for many of those aspects. Hopefully we draft some guys that we can plug in and develop and play now.
We now have:
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
what bullshit from Beckham??? WTF did he actually do that was that bad?
Insinuating he was sitting out rather than playing hurt because the Giants burned bridges. If you're being honest nobody would get away with that at their job.
but this is a fucking joke. I was laughed at for saying this last year, but the Giants are now the Knicks. I'll add that Gettleman is Phil Jackson.
I'm not sure yet what I think about this trade though my first instinct is we got fleeced.
But the Giants aren't the Knicks yet. Don't have the crippling contracts yet. If anything it looks like Gettleman is trying to get rid of them. That's all I can think of at the moment.
We now have:
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
Fuck this bright side bullshit. This is an awful trade and theres no way around it. The Giants just gave away the best offensive player theyve had in fucking decades for garbage.
Im sure Go Terps is nutting in his pants right now.
Clearly he said something this past year to piss off ownership
Then its on now... Then Draft Haskins with #6 or Lock with #17 & truly rebuild, and release Eli... Enough.
Whats the point of releasing Eli? Can't just throw in a new rookie QB in there, year one. I hate this so much. Ugh. OBJ and Barkley were the only players that made the Giants worth watching!
We have years left on this rebuild now... At which point we will have to pay barkley.. and who knows how much we are going to wear him out now that he is literally the entire offense.
It's hope trafficking, and the best part of this trade is the 17th pick in a lukewarm draft.
Getting the contract off the team was worth it on its own. And I will bet a paycheck there is shit behind the scenes with Beckham we don't know about.
He can go be generational in Cleveland with his buddy. I'd bet another paycheck they don't go anywhere.
C'mon man. Filling in the blanks with your own conspiracy theories isn't a good faith argument. You know this is inpossible to defend, and if it wasn't Beckham, you wouldn't defend it.
a trade of Odell has to come from the top. Gettleman can't make this deal without Mara (and to a lesser extent) Tisch's sign off. Something must have happened in the past week or so that set this thing in over drive. But getting back a mid first, a late 3rd and Peppers is a shit haul. Was it really going to be that bad to keep him?
But if this is the plan, honestly, they shouldn't pay Eli his bonus and send him on his way. If you are going to take care of all family business, fine, I can live with it if they go scorched earth.
Unfortunately, the Giants won't do this. They will keep Eli, they will package picks to move up a slot or 2 to make sure they get Haskins and, well, hope he doesn't suck even though most indications are he's going to be a "meh" prospect.
How they couldn't get a #1 next year is an abomination.
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
We have years left on this rebuild now... At which point we will have to pay barkley.. and who knows how much we are going to wear him out now that he is literally the entire offense.
You know, having Barkley just sit out 2019 might be something to think about lol. Save the wear and tear of what is going to clearly be a lost season of 9 in the box.
a pretty damn good player and was expected to go high in the draft last year, and ended up at #25.
Funny, but JonC just said this afternoon that the Odell market would be down after AB's trade. He was a bit off with the Giants getting substantially more than Pittsburgh, but not the crazy haul we thought they'd get.
Yes, I'd have to believe that Eli will shortly be either traded or cut. Absolutely no reason to keep him around now.
This franchise is now being build around a RUNNING BACK. This has become the worst run team in all of sports. Let me know when Gettleman is fired in a few years and they might be worth my time again.
this tells me that they think their QB of the future
is in next year's draft. They will spend the next two years fortifying the line and defense but putting themselves in the position to grab Eli's successor.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Cleveland seems like they have a plan and know what they're doing right now - not sure about us.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
This franchise is now being build around a RUNNING BACK. This has become the worst run team in all of sports. Let me know when Gettleman is fired in a few years and they might be worth my time again.
Mara had to sign off on this... OBJ must have done real damage.
On March 12, 2019, Peppers was traded to the New York Giants, along with a 2019 first round draft pick (No. 17 overall) and a 2019 third round draft pick, for Giants mediocre wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr.
We now have:
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
They don't gain cap space.
Sure there has, they are back to $29M for 2019 and now at $103M for 2020
* Another 1st round pick, while risky, is much better for the Giants cap-wise
* OBJ was all-world, but they won exactly zero playoff games with him
* Cap space + picks = better in the trenches. That's the way to build a solid football team. Let's say with OBJ it would take 2 more years to be a playoff team...he's 2 years older and who knows if he doesn't get frustrated by then
* Maybe the Giants are more concerned about his injury(s) than they are letting on
If you are going to trade Beckham, you got to receive more than a #1, late #3, and a player in return.
WTF?
that's not the market for these players with big contracts.. AB went for peanuts, and he is provably better than Beckham.
They knew the risk of signing him to that big contract. Took big risk and the reward never came. Time to move on. We can win without him and the sideshows.
RE: So how long til we use or 2nd pick to get Rosen?
an all pro receiver and we trade him for nearly nothing. Gettleman is worse GM ever and that's saying alot after 18 years of lousy football in the 60's and 70's. This reminds me so much of 1964. We traded away, gave away Rosey Greer, Sam Huff (who was overrated but much better than his replacement), etc. Didn't replace YA even though the entire league knew he was old.
Cleveland seems like they have a plan and know what they're doing right now - not sure about us.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
If you are going to trade Beckham, you got to receive more than a #1, late #3, and a player in return.
WTF?
Plain explanation? They're idiots that don't have a plan or a clue.
People will argue otherwise, but they'd just be putting up a homer defense. The rest of the NFL is laughing at the Giants, and have been for quite some time.
The easy thing here? No need for any Giants merchandise, no need for Giants tickets. Mara can take all that and shove it.
It. Fuck Gettleman gold jacket players my ass. You just have gave one away. Im distraught. Fucking sucks being a giants fan lately. Whats the point of keeping Eli now!!!! Fuck this
There's some truth to this. Not sure how deep talks are or if they'll ever materialize but I heard they'll be aggressive and they remain very interested in Beckham.. They called at the deadline. Take it for what its worth but the people I spoke with weren't wrong off season when it came to the Browns (Hyde and Ward). Link - ( New Window )
Cleveland seems like they have a plan and know what they're doing right now - not sure about us.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
so you now agree the Giants seem rudderless...
If Eli is still here this year, yes.
I said several times that if Beckham is moved for less than a huge haul, I will officially be lost on what Gettleman is doing.
Eli has to be cut now.
RE: RE: So how long til we use or 2nd pick to get Rosen?
the Giants were that OBJ didn't play the end of the season?
jt said it, and I do think there was a lot to it that the Giants thought he shut it down and he was mad how they were questioning him. But the thought was he was going to get traded next year.
I wonder if the Collins move leaving is what set Odell off and forced this trade.
Apple Collins Beckham it is clear DG just wants a clean slate from the Reese era and his locker room culture guys. Guys who will call him Mr Gettleman and who steer clear of locker room and off field/social media drama. If Im Janoris Jenkins, Im hiring a realtor.
Cant wait til Gettleman gets smacked in the face with a beer
I don't believe we're picking a quarterback this year. I think Gettleman who I would get rid of, is all in on a qb next season. I have little problem in trading ANYONE on this team as long as the compensation works well for us. This trade sucks! Who trades a Hall of Famer in his prime for what Gettleman got back in return? How in the world did Gettleman pick a running back when this team is going to suck for years? And I thought Jerry Reese was terrible. I put the Giants over/under next year at 3.
I was willing to give Gettleman the benefit of the doubt after the bad season last year. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after missing out on all the quality names in free agency right now. But this trade is just awful.
Who is the #1 WR next year? You can't get away with Shepard and Engram as your top receiving threats. They just aren't good enough or consistent enough. God forbid Barkley goes down with an injury, the offense won't move the ball at all. They had a chance to have something really special offensively with Barkley and Beckham and they give up on it after one season? One year after signing Beckham to a huge contract? Right after adding a great RG in Zeitler and then hopefully Williams at RT? What a joke.
The only thing that salvages this trade is if they hit an absolute homerun with that first rounder or if Peppers somehow turns into a franchise type of player on defense. Both things are extremely unlikely though.
This is going to piss the fans off far more than benching Eli did.
Thought theyd get more for him. Is Peppers anything in the NFL?
That's one thing I'm afraid of... that the key to this trade is how they've evaluated Peppers. Perhaps they felt Peppers of all people swung the trade from kind they apparently laughed it to one they'd accept.
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is in next year's draft. They will spend the next two years fortifying the line and defense but putting themselves in the position to grab Eli's successor.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Cleveland seems like they have a plan and know what they're doing right now - not sure about us.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
so you now agree the Giants seem rudderless...
If Eli is still here this year, yes.
I said several times that if Beckham is moved for less than a huge haul, I will officially be lost on what Gettleman is doing.
Eli has to be cut now.
I mean if they keep Eli it is beyond rudderless and it is even worse than i thought. complete malpractice. they will start losing fans to the jets.
any of you idiots who think we didn't get a good deal..wake up...rid are self of a prima donna......we got building blocks for a me me player....gettleman is doing a great job...watch and see
dont like this at all. OBJ is worth another 1st or 2nd round pick all of that. They better get a QB or start building a monster front 7 with that. Barkley is pretty much all thats keeping me watching nowadays. Dont believe a single thing said in the media anymore.
Look at what Pittsburgh got for AB, a 3rd and a 5th. Maybe Gettleman sensed a similar situation and decided to cash in while he could. And now maybe we can trade our 3rd for a QB like Rosen and still have picks to shore up the o-line and defense.
If you trust that wide receivers can be found in later rounds and on the scrap heap, maybe its a worthwhile trade. Of course, the same can be said about RBs...
I mean even their mid round 3rd isn't a great return
Thought theyd get more for him. Is Peppers anything in the NFL?
That's one thing I'm afraid of... that the key to this trade is how they've evaluated Peppers. Perhaps they felt Peppers of all people swung the trade from kind they apparently laughed it to one they'd accept.
Only thing that makes sense from a football standpoint. Perhaps they really wanted Buchanan for Bettcher and this is the alternative. Of course I am not sure football has anything to do with it. Gettleman is obsessed with "winning culture" and getting rid of anybody Reese brought in not necessarily in that order.
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
jt - this jibes with your info re that. Keep any info coming!
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
If Eli is kept, enjoy watching Eli throw his last passes as Giants QB to his new #1 WR....Sterling Sheppard.
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
jt, do you think something blew up in the last week or so to force Gettleman's hand and trade him? The Collins signing or the way the AB situation went down? I was on your wavelength thinking they were going to keep him this year and trade him after the season.
RE: Get ready for Barkley getting mauled by 9 man fronts
They're SB contenders right now and will be for a few years. The defense is fast and athletic. They will have an exceptional D. Offense isn't missing much.
Well, now that we're into a complete rebuild, (as much as I hate to say it) it's time to give Eli his walking papers and save some more cash. Without Beckham, Eli has nobody to throw to. The offense will be Barkley right, Barkley left and Barkley up the middle.
I can't believe that they settled for a 1 & 3 with Peppers for Beckham. It speaks volumes to how much Shurmur felt undermined by OBJ.
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
If Eli is kept, enjoy watching Eli throw his last passes as Giants QB to his new #1 WR....Sterling Sheppard.
Lmao. Well deserved.
Dave... it is still early. The season does not start tomorrow. We will have a different #1 WR on this team. All of the moves have not been made yet.
I mentioned earlier that we need to see who the Giants replace OBJ with now.
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
You love Peppers, and you're not upset by the trade.
So either you're Gettleman, a Cleveland Browns fan, or plain ole dumb.
RE: RE: this tells me that they think their QB of the future
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is in next year's draft. They will spend the next two years fortifying the line and defense but putting themselves in the position to grab Eli's successor.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Pretty much my thoughts to a T.
I've told the story many times on BBI of my interview with ex-Giant Jamie Williams, whom the Giants cut because they thought he was mixed up with drugs. (They kept the TE who was involved in some bad stuff: Malcolm Scott.) My conclusion then and now remains: These moves get made for reasons we fans have no idea about -- and sometimes those reasons are bullshit.
to other players when they dump Odell and keep Eli forever? You have to wonder if Saquon, Shepard and others are thrilled with this. Its gonna make players think twice about signing here when the money is the same.
They're SB contenders right now and will be for a few years. The defense is fast and athletic. They will have an exceptional D. Offense isn't missing much.
Yeah, they'll be good. Plus they have Baker cost controlled for 4 more years. They will have a shot at a run.
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
You love Peppers, and you're not upset by the trade.
So either you're Gettleman, a Cleveland Browns fan, or plain ole dumb.
Lol
RE: Keeping Eli and watching him play with this offense
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is in next year's draft. They will spend the next two years fortifying the line and defense but putting themselves in the position to grab Eli's successor.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Pretty much my thoughts to a T.
I've told the story many times on BBI of my interview with ex-Giant Jamie Williams, whom the Giants cut because they thought he was mixed up with drugs. (They kept the TE who was involved in some bad stuff: Malcolm Scott.) My conclusion then and now remains: These moves get made for reasons we fans have no idea about -- and sometimes those reasons are bullshit.
Lets trade away the superstar player in his prime for peanuts and keep the washed up QB. They had Odell locked up and Barkley to pair with a young QB to reboot the franchise...this is a joke.
If you were even going to consider trading Odell, a first rounder next year at least was a must to get ammo for Tua or Fromm. JFC.
Passed up on a franchise QB to draft a great RB who is going to waste his best years on a bad team. signed and traded the best WR in the game for a shitty return. Completely decimated the defense. Refuses to move on from Eli which is hurting this team. I am not the "boycott the team" kina guy but why even watch this season? definitely refuse to give them any of my money.
A once proud franchise has turned into a joke, just like the Knicks
Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
If Eli is kept, enjoy watching Eli throw his last passes as Giants QB to his new #1 WR....Sterling Sheppard.
Lmao. Well deserved.
Dave... it is still early. The season does not start tomorrow. We will have a different #1 WR on this team. All of the moves have not been made yet.
I mentioned earlier that we need to see who the Giants replace OBJ with now.
Who are the great FA WRs left? They're certainly not drafting one high in the draft.
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Reminds me of when Wellington traded away some studs in the 70's
Fred Dryer and Fran Tarkenton are two that immediately come to mind. Think we got the proverbial bag of donuts in return each time... What is is with this franchise? A Mara thing?
Is complete and utter dogshit. Peppers is nice but just the 17th and the last goddamn pick in the third round? For real? You could not negotiate a 2nd in there or their 1st round pick next year? Team is a JOKE
but I think too many are focusing on and/or desiring picks while completely forgetting about Peppers.
He is young, was a #25 pick and does fill a need. He is essentially the second first round pick.
LOL stop, he is a mediocre player halfway through his rookie contract, at a meaningless position for a rebuilding team currently built around a RUNNING BACK.
is the only way now is up. We are at the bottom of NFC East with all this talent that left but could not win a fucking game. Had to be done. GM is doing his job now, changes to get back to winning. Will see how it works out.
The only way this makes sense is in a complete rebuild around Barkley with a cost controlled QB.
This doesnt make it "Eli's fault" it just doesn't make sense to keep a 38 year old at this point.
It's also going to be interesting to see what happens when opposing defenses are stacking the box because the Giants have no weapons and an aging immobile QB.
I'm not one to cry that the sky is falling, but Giants fans cried over dinner and threw temper tantrums when Eli was benched for one game. Now would be a much more appropriate time to express their outrage.
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
It doesn't matter. They're not going anywhere in 2019. They've done nothing but add one offensive linemen, and completely tear down the defense that was already 27th.
Two things to consider. One is OBJ's injury history. Another is the
First, without OBJ, they have no legitimate threat at WR. This just made the Giants offense completely one dimensional, relying on Barkley. Second, and related to the first, it makes the Barkley pick a waste. He will be a great player that is fun to watch each week on a crappy to mediocre team for his prime years. Wonderful. Third, it makes no sense to keep Eli to have no WR.
Most important of all, OBJ may very well be the best WR in the league and one of the best all time. This is not a sweet enough deal, in my opinion.
I am also not optimistic about a rebuild at this point. There is not a good enough QB in this draft to be excited about. There is not a WR in this draft who can approach what we have in OBJ. So, now we have a somewhat improved OL with only Barkely to contend with (Engram is a lot less of a threat with no OBJ) and still a ton of holes on the D. This moves probably makes it more likely they take a QB knowing they have another 1st rounder and I think that will piss me off.
Clearly the Giants ownership is on board with this -- but when the dust settles, history will treat last offseason as one of the real disasters for the New York Giants.
Gettleman spent in excess of 100M dollars for less than a season of OBJ, the back end of Solder's career, Kareem Martin, and a bunch of no ones.
An organization had never misread a situation as poorly as the Giants did with Beckham.
Even coming off a broken leg the Giants could have gotten the same type of compensation last year, and not eaten the money with the new contract.
after OBJ signed his big deal, he pretty much let it be known he wanted OFF the Giants. He really wanted California but Cleveland is a good enough place for him.
OBJ basically forced his team to trade him. He wanted out and DG got the best he could for his disgruntled star WR.
Maybe the Giants knew that OBJ was milking his late season injury.
Total and unmitigated rebuild! Our WR corps just went from fairly decent to Wtf? Shepard is coming up on a contract year too. Now add #1 WR to the mix! We dont have enough draft picks. Maybe weve got enough money now to get D Williams.
Were now starting from complete scratch and now the offense is hurt.
After AB trade, I thought there was no way Gettleman could pull this off. Instead, he gets a better value at strong safety and two premium draft picks. Giants are in a multi-year rebuild - while OBJ is a great talent, he is just not the right guy at this time and place for the team. He would have only become more and more frustrated being here and the distraction would have become unbearable.
Now he gets a chance to play with his best friend and be a part of a team that is further along than the Giants. Good luck to him - despite all of the issues, the Giants have never had a better receiver. As someone who was there to see "the catch" live in 2014, I will always remember the excitement and talent that OBJ brought to our franchise...
But this is now Saquon's team - a team built on character, courage and a true team discipline that is built for one and only one thing -- to win NFL championships! And this is the moment we can look back upon as the true turning point. Thank you David Gettleman!
Now go get Daryl Williams, Montez Sweat and DK Metcalf!!! :)
Ruined my offseason for sure. And I dont want friggen Rosen. I see zero hunger in that guy.
No deep threat, Saquon smothered by 8 man fronts. AGAIN via injury and now this, the Giants just cant have a bigtime wideout for more than 4 years and less than 64 games for sure.
Fred Dryer and Fran Tarkenton are two that immediately come to mind. Think we got the proverbial bag of donuts in return each time... What is is with this franchise? A Mara thing?
after OBJ signed his big deal, he pretty much let it be known he wanted OFF the Giants. He really wanted California but Cleveland is a good enough place for him.
OBJ basically forced his team to trade him. He wanted out and DG got the best he could for his disgruntled star WR.
Maybe the Giants knew that OBJ was milking his late season injury.
None of us knows the whole story...yet.
I concur. There's more to this story, still to be written.
I wonder if there is more to come, meaning, before the draft.....
But this is now Saquon's team - a team built on character, courage and a true team discipline that is built for one and only one thing -- to win NFL championships!
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Pay $5 million odd and get Bridgwater. He's shit but you're not going anywhere this season so you go nowhere with the cheaper option. And yes in this market $5 million probably gets you Bridgwater there's no other viable starting spots other than maybe Miami.
There is absolutely no reason other than sentiment to pay Eli Manning $17 million. None. Nada. Zilch.
RE: RE: Get ready for Barkley getting mauled by 9 man fronts
There isn't a defense is football that will be remotely afraid of this popgun passing game.
I'm looking forward to the Eli-crowd going from "he has no time" to "he has no weapons". Going to be a very very long season.
I dont know if its an excuse, it its a truism. We have no WRs as it stands. Something about a QB to completing passes to nobody should draw your sympathy more than your ire.
And, it would compound the stupidity with more stupidity to trade for either Rosen or move up for Haskins. Weve created more holes, not fewer and it would be beyond moronic to use the only putty you have to fill them in trade.
Besides, we look like were in full on tank mode now so top 2-5 in the 2020 draft looks like a guarantee.
Does Mara let the GM take all the heat or does he man up? Should be interesting theater.
I loved OBJ and did not want this to happen, but the team wasn't going anywhere and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy with the patience to be part of a rebuilding process. But Ick.
after OBJ signed his big deal, he pretty much let it be known he wanted OFF the Giants. He really wanted California but Cleveland is a good enough place for him.
OBJ basically forced his team to trade him. He wanted out and DG got the best he could for his disgruntled star WR.
Maybe the Giants knew that OBJ was milking his late season injury.
None of us knows the whole story...yet.
This!
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It has to do with a team that clearly isn't going to be competitive paying a 38 year old QB a league high salary
Theyre getting more picks to fill holes. I liked Odell, but it was clear this was a bad marriage. Again, no,idea what this has to do with Eli and why some feel the need to say he should be cut now just because Odell is gone
My favorite is Gettleman is a liar. Thats his job, keep secrets in house; unlike his predecessor. Sucks seeing OBJ go, but is it really that surprising? Where there is smoke, there is fire. Wish it was for a 1st, 2nd and Peppers, and I wish this exact trade happened last yr. Other than that, we go forward and hope for the best.
Is complete and utter dogshit. Peppers is nice but just the 17th and the last goddamn pick in the third round? For real? You could not negotiate a 2nd in there or their 1st round pick next year? Team is a JOKE
I mean the fact he could negotiate their fucking 1st 3rd round pick is a sacking offense by itself.
For the Giants. I wish they could have gotten a little more, but DG has to see the big Picture. He knew he would take a lot of heat, he has some balls to do this. Lets see how this plays out.
most businesses/corps want their employees to fly in formation (watch geese/birds), folks take turns leading the formation when the leader tires or drops off temporarily. Peacocks that show their feathers do not generally fit these type of cultures. Think the Giants realized that the peacock was not a team player, mostly worried about others marveling at him. I think the Giants organization win or lose wants a specific type of team and culture and the risk was high with little reward. The beginning of the end was that boat trip and running around on the green bay field with no shirt on and cheese balls on his cleats and then dropped every fucking pass thrown to him, or Panthers game, on and on. Contrast this with Barkley. More production, disciplined, mature, respected and a silent killer. A player championship teams are made of, not the guy we just traded.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Pay $5 million odd and get Bridgwater. He's shit but you're not going anywhere this season so you go nowhere with the cheaper option. And yes in this market $5 million probably gets you Bridgwater there's no other viable starting spots other than maybe Miami.
There is absolutely no reason other than sentiment to pay Eli Manning $17 million. None. Nada. Zilch.
Bridgwater already resigned with the Saints. Too late.
RE: RE: Peppers is and exceptioanl player capable of
I was told. The Giants were past the point of no return with Beckham. We all know the reasons. The 2 biggest. One. He wouldn't play at the end of the year as we discussed. 2. Next year they will ha v e there young quarterback. They wanted Beckham and his attitude no where near him. Finally, the Giants played well without him. This is Barkleys team. I don't think Odell liked not being the man. I also think he wanted out from what I was told
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With a 10 cent head. I dont know what it is about that position, but it seems to attract the type. OBJ is a classic case of a talent you want on your team when things are rolling, but I saw enough film of him making business decisions last year to not be overly surprised or sad to see him go. Hes going to wake up tomorrow and realize the NY ad and media market was easy money hell never see in Cleveland. Maybe hell grow up, or maybe hell continue to love his own drama too much to ever be a team player.
Either way, New England doesnt tolerate me first players, and neither should we.
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You don't trade great players for a chance to draft Ereck Flowers or Blake Bortles..absolute asinine trade letting go a potential hall of fame player to have a chance at selecting the above type of players...I'm done until the Giants get rid of this clown
The rebuild accelerator. No fucking way this trade accomplishes that. DG being this stupid makes me think hes very well capable of furthering the fuck up by taking one of these mediocre talents at QB.
the amount of sky is falling here is beyond pathetic. I sense a lot of dismay is from the Beckham will NOT be traded crowd. First off, we do not know if there was anything else going on behind the scenes. Beckham's Instagram account had some weird veiled messages for over a month. How do we know there was more problems going on between PS and OBJ? The dehydration issue this year and the I don't like water response, the weird interview where he definitely irritated the coaches and ownership and the "injury" that lingered for quite a bit. Again, who knows what this was all about.
The haul, hey 1st, 3rd and starting Safety and Kick returner is a pretty deal. For all of you arguing about draft picks, many of you are always quick to point out draft picks are busts more often than not. To me we get picks to fortify the lines, a S who is young and can play physical (a bigger version of Honeybadger) for Betchers defense and a chance to put the franchise face on #26.
what cancerous behavior - his teammates love the guy say he is a great teammate.
He is a selfish primadonna who since receiving his big contract, has shot his mouth off several times in the press about wanting to play for this team or that. On top of that, there was an article at season's end that PS & DG were concerned about bringing in a young QB with OBJ and his antics. I think they also looked at the AB situation in Pittsburg and had to worry if OBJ is a ticking timebomb who will lead to the same.
If you are going to trade Beckham, you got to receive more than a #1, late #3, and a player in return.
WTF?
that's not the market for these players with big contracts.. AB went for peanuts, and he is provably better than Beckham.
They knew the risk of signing him to that big contract. Took big risk and the reward never came. Time to move on. We can win without him and the sideshows.
The reward never came? One year after re-signing him The giants gained 3 chips in return for Beckham. If they let him walk theyd have gotten jack squat for him.
I like this trade more and more. And Eli isnt going anywhere this season. Why would this trade facilitate a qb move?
I loved Beckham. Still do. He will go to the HOF. Let him. This is a good deal for the giants. Sell high. They got enough back. They shopped the guy all offseason for a reason. By shopped I mean they listened.
Turn the picks into players. Get the most out of peppers and lets fix the D. We were never ever ever going to get more for Beckham after today. And you guys know damn well Beckham could have gone full crazy eventually and then the giants have to trade Beckham from a position of weakness like the Steelers. Pitt got nothing for brown because they had no choice they had to trade him. Giants had a choice.
No one defended Beckham more than me these years and I still love him as a player but the giants needed a 3 for one deal. Now they need to make it work. Thats the key. Nail this pick(s)
the more I think about this, the Giants looked at the 2019 season and realized they aren't going to compete this year.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
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in 80 games (5 years in the NFL) Beckham has played in 59. He missed significant time the last two seasons. I think the injuries and the drama became too much.
Can someone plus re-post one reply to this thread that makes this trade seem like anything but a steaming pile a dog shit?
You take arguably the most dynamic offensive player in the league, our only legitimate WR on the roster, and you trade him for a safety I've never heard of, who I'm going to give the benefit of doubt that's he's at least of starter quality in the NFL and can hopefully cover a receiving TE.
But then we only get ONE FIRST ROUNDER, at 17 of all places. No premium picks next year. And to top it all off, the shittier of the Brown's two picks in the third?
Do the Browns have video of Mara of Gettleman snorting crack or putting any number of male anatomical organs into their mouth or ass?
Possibly the worst trade in recent NFL history and I'm dumbfounded. Out of all the moves the NYG have made in my 20 plus years as a fan, this is by far the most puzzling.
Even if DG was on board with this, how did he convince any of the NYG coaches and ownership to take such shit value? Please.
Someone, please put a positive spin on this because I can't read all of these pages of replies in such a pissed off mood. It's pretty sad when the best move of free agency for the Eagles, Cowboys, and Redskins involves the NYG making a trade with the Browns.
I guess load up on defensive talent in the draft, throw Eli out there until he gets beat to shit and is forced to medically retire, and then draft the top QB in 2020 for a three year rebuild? It will be hilarious watching Eli throwing to CFL WR's this year.
Matt - We'll see, I still think they are keeping Eli
I was told. The Giants were past the point of no return with Beckham. We all know the reasons. The 2 biggest. One. He wouldn't play at the end of the year as we discussed. 2. Next year they will ha v e there young quarterback. They wanted Beckham and his attitude no where near him. Finally, the Giants played well without him. This is Barkleys team. I don't think Odell liked not being the man. I also think he wanted out from what I was told
So with no Beckham now, I hope that doesnt mean theyre open to drafting the QB this year?
I was told. The Giants were past the point of no return with Beckham. We all know the reasons. The 2 biggest. One. He wouldn't play at the end of the year as we discussed. 2. Next year they will ha v e there young quarterback. They wanted Beckham and his attitude no where near him. Finally, the Giants played well without him. This is Barkleys team. I don't think Odell liked not being the man. I also think he wanted out from what I was told
The Giants didn't play well without him. They were not good down the stretch and Barkley tapered off, I think in large part due to teams being able to load the box with no OBJ.
You got one. Dont worry and obsess so much about the qb when the right kid comes along and springs free in the draft the giants will take him. Dont over think it. The rebuild is in full swing dont think for a second the giants arent looking to get younger and cheaper at qb. Honestly Im shocked and annoyed at all the negative attention Eli has gotten his entire career especially now but I digress.
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I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
Jeez, I know the Giants wanted to recoup a third-round pick somehow...
Hard to judge this move in isolation. If it's part of a full tear-down, trading Beckham is probably the right move. Price seems a little low. I guess the market is what it is.
It has to do with a team that clearly isn't going to be competitive paying a 38 year old QB a league high salary
Theyre getting more picks to fill holes. I liked Odell, but it was clear this was a bad marriage. Again, no,idea what this has to do with Eli and why some feel the need to say he should be cut now just because Odell is gone
The argument is to accelerate the rebuild.
-Team hasn't won with Eli in years -
-Huge cap hit which can be re-allocated or carried over
-The Giants simply HAVE to get a new QB next year anyone. Better a year to early then a year to late (Bellichek has perfected this).
So it's not like you HAVE to get rid of Manning, but for the long term good of the franchise, what is the sense of keeping him? And keep in mind what Archie Manning said at the end of the year. Archie said the team needs to be a winning team. How would Archie and Eli process this move?
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
The fact that Eli doesn't have a contract past december forces their hand in the draft.
the 2019 season doesn't mean anything. They can get anyone to start at QB.
GTFO of here. Have you seen Eli's stats when targeting Odell vs. anyone else in his career?
Eli and Odell played well together. Eli played as good or better and won bigger with other receivers. I really could care less about their stats
Yeah, Eli won with lesser receivers in his prime. Odell helped extend Eli's career. It blows my mind that you continue you to view him as the same player he was 8 years ago.
Also, Plax, Toomer, Cruz and Nicks were good receivers. Now he is washed up and has a decent slot receiver and a tweener tight end with mediocre hands. Good luck Eli.
Plus what blunder now by getts signing him to 90 only to trade a yr
God, youre an idiot. Im ok with dealing Odell for the right price, but this isnt the right price. Jabril Peppers fucking blows. Covers like LC with the added benefit of not being able to tackle. And they didnt even get the better of Browns 3rd rounders. Ugh.
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
The reason for it is there is a bonus due to Eli on 3/17. If the Giants are going to go nowhere this year (and they aren't), I'd rather get a jump on finding the new QB. And it might not force your hand if you trade a 2nd rounder for Rosen (which is probably a fair trade). Get a year with Rosen, see if he's worth keeping. He's cheap, he's talented, and the Giants aren't going anywhere anyway. If he busts, you go all in for a 2020 QB. But keeping Eli this year literally does nothing but give him a farewell tour.
This is the key factor NOBODY is talking about yet.
Surely he played better than what we expected, but this guy is straight line speed with not the greatest hands. Just can't get excited about him, and the thought of him as a key factor just doesn't equate IMO.
Clearly the Giants ownership is on board with this -- but when the dust settles, history will treat last offseason as one of the real disasters for the New York Giants.
Gettleman spent in excess of 100M dollars for less than a season of OBJ, the back end of Solder's career, Kareem Martin, and a bunch of no ones.
An organization had never misread a situation as poorly as the Giants did with Beckham.
Even coming off a broken leg the Giants could have gotten the same type of compensation last year, and not eaten the money with the new contract.
Youre reaching. Who the hell cares about Kareem martin being a below average starter making meh starter money. Omg were doomed forever because Kareem Martin makes vet money. Lets just ignore roster building from here out? Whats the point ? One so so bad contract doesnt stop what needs to be done. Dont sign a left tackle? Solder isnt bad.
Again, you guys wanted a rebuild and got one. Some of you expected way too much return for Beckham. I saw the posts all week you would think the giants were trading a franchise qb in his prime with some of you expecting 3-4 first round picks. We basically got 2 prime assets and a 3rd. Thats not bad. Let Beckham dominate for the browns. Hes a terrific player. We can still make out here with the extra draft capital.
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
The reason for it is there is a bonus due to Eli on 3/17. If the Giants are going to go nowhere this year (and they aren't), I'd rather get a jump on finding the new QB. And it might not force your hand if you trade a 2nd rounder for Rosen (which is probably a fair trade). Get a year with Rosen, see if he's worth keeping. He's cheap, he's talented, and the Giants aren't going anywhere anyway. If he busts, you go all in for a 2020 QB. But keeping Eli this year literally does nothing but give him a farewell tour.
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
the more I think about this, the Giants looked at the 2019 season and realized they aren't going to compete this year.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
If they trade up for Haskins they are stupid. No team ahead of us is taking him. Its highly likely if we pass on him at 6 he could slip into the 20s.
Im bothered by the lack of value it seems we got for the trade
But, if youre in a bad relationship and youre forced to sell, ultimately you will get what buyers are willing to pay. Headcase diva with world class potential, but slowed by a suspect ankle and was clearly making on the field business decisions...and youre eating a big contract. Lot of red flags.
You got one. Dont worry and obsess so much about the qb when the right kid comes along and springs free in the draft the giants will take him. Dont over think it. The rebuild is in full swing dont think for a second the giants arent looking to get younger and cheaper at qb. Honestly Im shocked and annoyed at all the negative attention Eli has gotten his entire career especially now but I digress.
If Eli is the quarterback this year -- you'll be able to live the negative attention in real time as he exits his career on 3 straight last place teams.
the more I think about this, the Giants looked at the 2019 season and realized they aren't going to compete this year.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
If thats the case, then the strategic thing to do is to go with Lauletta. They would get dreck this year at the cost of giving up usable assets to build a whole roster. The QB payoff in 2020 is logarithmically higher and were setting the ducks up so that we wouldnt even need to trade to move up to snag one of the big 3 (or 4).
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
It's hard to think of two people in the NFL whose opinions carry less weight than Pat Shurmur's loser ass and Doddering Dave.
I also see a lot of people mocking the giants signing of Beckham now.
Whats the alternative? Giants let Beckham walk and get nothing at all?
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. Whats wrong with that?
Clearly the Giants ownership is on board with this -- but when the dust settles, history will treat last offseason as one of the real disasters for the New York Giants.
Gettleman spent in excess of 100M dollars for less than a season of OBJ, the back end of Solder's career, Kareem Martin, and a bunch of no ones.
An organization had never misread a situation as poorly as the Giants did with Beckham.
Even coming off a broken leg the Giants could have gotten the same type of compensation last year, and not eaten the money with the new contract.
Youre reaching. Who the hell cares about Kareem martin being a below average starter making meh starter money. Omg were doomed forever because Kareem Martin makes vet money. Lets just ignore roster building from here out? Whats the point ? One so so bad contract doesnt stop what needs to be done. Dont sign a left tackle? Solder isnt bad.
Again, you guys wanted a rebuild and got one. Some of you expected way too much return for Beckham. I saw the posts all week you would think the giants were trading a franchise qb in his prime with some of you expecting 3-4 first round picks. We basically got 2 prime assets and a 3rd. Thats not bad. Let Beckham dominate for the browns. Hes a terrific player. We can still make out here with the extra draft capital.
Do you think Dave Gettleman had a good offseason in UFA last season?
I don't know if i should be happy about this or pissed off. right now i'm more pissed off. it feels like if you had a brand new Ferrari and you just crashed it and have no insurance. WHY GOD WHY!!!!!
But the dude was head case. Sorry Snowflakes, I haven't gotten over his playoff flop. Giving him that huge deal made him even wackier.
He's the Browns problem now. I'm stoked to get Peppers.
Return to your rants. I can't wait to see the draft haul. If they pick anywhere near last years success, the Giants will be turned around quickly, while the Browns will be a side show.
I don't know exactly what the coaching staff was thinking ...
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
It's hard to think of two people in the NFL whose opinions carry less weight than Pat Shurmur's loser ass and Doddering Dave.
Once again Papa blindly agrees with anything the Giants do.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
What's wrong with the 17th pick in this draft? A draft loaded with excellent prospects on both sides of the line. This draft is sooooo deep with defense that you could not draft any offensive players in round one and STILL get an excellent defensive prospect. And now we have two first round picks in this same draft. Or you kidding me?
Yeah, Eli won with lesser receivers in his prime. Odell helped extend Eli's career. It blows my mind that you continue you to view him as the same player he was 8 years ago.
Also, Plax, Toomer, Cruz and Nicks were good receivers. Now he is washed up and has a decent slot receiver and a tweener tight end with mediocre hands. Good luck Eli. [/quote]
I am now and will always be adamant that Eli needs protection. Not cosmetics. He has a run game now and Gettleman is fixing the Oline. Its clear the franchise has transitioned away from Odell and toward Barkley, post Eli. Barkley and an Oline will be a young QBs best friend once Eli retires. My feeling is that Eli will be here a couple of more years and that he himself has lost NOTHING significant in his game.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
What's wrong with the 17th pick in this draft? A draft loaded with excellent prospects on both sides of the line. This draft is sooooo deep with defense that you could not draft any offensive players in round one and STILL get an excellent defensive prospect. And now we have two first round picks in this same draft. Or you kidding me?
There's nothing wrong per se with the 17th pick. There is when it's the best pick, and only first round pick, we just got for one of the best players in the league at 25 years old.
I am now and will always be adamant that Eli needs protection. Not cosmetics. He has a run game now and Gettleman is fixing the Oline. Its clear the franchise has transitioned away from Odell and toward Barkley, post Eli. Barkley and an Oline will be a young QBs best friend once Eli retires. My feeling is that Eli will be here a couple of more years and that he himself has lost NOTHING significant in his game.
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
That is when the beginning of the end kicked off for OBJ.
On the surface OBJ appeared like a good dude but there is no doubt it was all about him. When Barkley was drafted and became the star last year OBJ was done. He was not THE guy anymore. Also I wonder if he lost step as to me last year I did not see that special explosiveness he showed in year 1 and 2.....it was that or he was dogging it for business reasons.
I am ok with the trade, would really be ok if we got a #1 in 2020 also as I believe that was key to this and the rebuild. I think DG blew that.
The plan is to build the OL and I am sure draft heavy on D to be younger and faster. The issue and piece that is still missing is the QB. DG better not F it up. Everything is contingent on it.
OBJ is just another Diva Me head case just like AB. Teams and locker rooms are better off without them.
What I cant stand about the people arguing that we got a fair
Our owner didnt have to come out and insult him this year to pour fuel on that fire. All these leaks about thinking he quits not liking his chracter. All of that is just shooting yourself in the foot.
NFL network just reported Odell wanted more money after ab deal.
That's wasn't "reported". I was watching NFL Network - it was suggested* by Rappaport that Beckham could use the trade to leverage The Browns in to increasing his guaranteed money just as Antonio Brown did. There's no indication that he asked the Giants for more money.
RE: I also see a lot of people mocking the giants signing of Beckham now.
Whats the alternative? Giants let Beckham walk and get nothing at all?
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. Whats wrong with that?
This is exactly the point - Giants handled this situation perfectly. Unlike the Steelers who look like bumbling idiots right now... And now we are learning that Odell wanted more money again after the AB trade? Good gracious... and good riddance...
And good for David Gettleman for having the courage to do this...
as they will try to make him out to be, even if you didnt like him you have to understand that there must have been better trades out there. This stinks of desperation as does everything Gettleman does.
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
No "I" in team - that's the level of sophistication our front office is working on. God help us.
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I am now and will always be adamant that Eli needs protection. Not cosmetics. He has a run game now and Gettleman is fixing the Oline. Its clear the franchise has transitioned away from Odell and toward Barkley, post Eli. Barkley and an Oline will be a young QBs best friend once Eli retires. My feeling is that Eli will be here a couple of more years and that he himself has lost NOTHING significant in his game.
the more I think about this, the Giants looked at the 2019 season and realized they aren't going to compete this year.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
If thats the case, then the strategic thing to do is to go with Lauletta. They would get dreck this year at the cost of giving up usable assets to build a whole roster. The QB payoff in 2020 is logarithmically higher and were setting the ducks up so that we wouldnt even need to trade to move up to snag one of the big 3 (or 4).
And we would have wasted at least the first 2 years of Barkley's career in doing so.
that's what it took to make this deal. I think it is for the best myself. I am bias in that WR is the least important position on a football team. You want a functional wr corps which can threaten the defnese in many ways and id reliable catching the ball.
Never build your team around an individual WR. Especially a WR with the diva gene that is also not physically large and has become injury prone (his fault or not). Don't flip out, this move will be best long term.
My favorite Beckham game was the one many revile him for. When he acted like a child and stopped doing his job to target the opposing CB in that 2015 Carolina game. He should have been tossed, and it was a sign of his wierd mental state. Thing is, Coughlin knew his ass was on the line and needed wins. He left Beckham in and if memory serves, Beckham fucking lit up the Panthers and the Giants roared back. Of course the defense blew it. That was a great performance though once he started doing his job again.
I do wish that one handed catch in a loss against Dallas never happened though. It launched him to stardom and to levels you should have to earn by actually winning. It just threw things off somehow.
Lowest moments, partying on a boat before the biggest game of hia career, running out shirtless in Green Bay like a fucking idiot prior to going out and shitting the bed in the game itself, and last season going on an interview and shitting on NY within a month of being paid 90 million. I am sure the owners loved that.
No "I" in team - that's the level of sophistication our front office is working on. God help us.
Obviously that was just a simplification and is just an easy to understand way to say that they want players who put the team first. Teams that are not playing for each other, sacrificing for each other and are united in the locker room do not win too many championships.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
What's wrong with the 17th pick in this draft? A draft loaded with excellent prospects on both sides of the line. This draft is sooooo deep with defense that you could not draft any offensive players in round one and STILL get an excellent defensive prospect. And now we have two first round picks in this same draft. Or you kidding me?
Oof.
You're *really* not going to feel well when we trade both those firsts to move up and get Haskins.
DG tossed out four defensive starters: JPP, Snacks, Vernon and Collins and hadn't replaced any of them with a player as good or better. These four players all found immediate starting jobs on their new teams.
DG threw out both defensive edge rushers, as well as the League's best known one man run defense up the middle and the Giants' pass rush, which is second only to quarterback in cost.
It would have taken years to replace both the quarterback and the pass rush. DG, having created so many holes in the defense, and having not addressed QB last year, had no choice but to find a shortcut to finishing the roster.
pretty simple. The Giants won't be competitive for another two years at least. At that point Odell will be 28 and have however many more injuries. You think he's going to be happy continuing to lose?
Also he's been the guy the past few years and they have 1 playoff appearance and 0 wins to show for it.
He's a great player, but not vital to a winning team.
Cut Eli, rest Saquon, suck it up. Draft Tua, and have a real rebuild with Tua and Saquon at the help.
pretty simple. The Giants won't be competitive for another two years at least. At that point Odell will be 28 and have however many more injuries. You think he's going to be happy continuing to lose?
Also he's been the guy the past few years and they have 1 playoff appearance and 0 wins to show for it.
He's a great player, but not vital to a winning team.
Cut Eli, rest Saquon, suck it up. Draft Tua, and have a real rebuild with Tua and Saquon at the help.
think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
What keeping Manning for a year does is it allows you to not use pieces towards QB...for one more year.
Seems to me that they are looking to push the DL, OL and LBs over the top, majorly emphasis, and address the 'talent' next year.
We have a haul right now, even after the guard get.
Any win in 2019 also makes it more expensive to use pieces toward a QB, when the entire league knows you need and want a QB.
There are a minimum of three qbs next year better than anything available this year (including Rosens hematoma). Even before the trade we were well-positioned to claim one of them. Now, were prettty much guaranteed that. It would be crazy to just give away assets that can bolster the team by filling more holes.
Been pissed for the better part of this decade. This doesnt piss me off.
Same here. What has pissed me off was all of the bandaid moves over the years. Bullshit smoke and mirrors each off season to give the fans some false hope.
What is being lost in all of this is Odell did not want to play here anymore. He all but said it this off season after he signed his contract.
I know there's a contingent of fans who live in a fantasy land where the cost of players doesn't impact how the roster is built, but just remember the Giants just paid 20m+ for 12 games.
If that's a good investment, awesome.
If you don't think the Giants could have gotten this type of deal last offseason fair enough.
A team winning move. Thank God this stage of horror is over. The right QB, a good offensive line and a good defense, that is the formula today and it really has always been.
They were thinking that they got a former first round draft pick in Peppers, a current year first pick and a current year third round pick for a guy who is about half as good as Antonio Brown, who by the way netted the Steelers only a current year third and a fifth two days ago... truly remarkable that Dorsey ante'd up this much value for the one person in the NFL who may be more of a diva than AB....
Ugh, this team and front office are laughingstocks of the league. Terrible compensation for a fantastic young player. a dead money hit that is devastating, and leave the offense with no WR's worth throwing to, in a draft devoid of top flight WR's. Brilliant move by Gettleman. If I'm Eli, I retire tomorrow. I friggin' hate this move. Mostly due to crap compensation. TWe'd be a far better team with Odell still on the roster than with this dungheap of a "haul". lol...
and so is some of the annoyance. To me, one thing imperative to making this a good deal is the Giants not taking it as an invitation to take a QB at #6 (or #19).
They also better significantly upgrade OC and RT. Zeitler was a good start in upgrading the OL, but they will need an exceptional OL to take support Barkley facing a loaded box every down.
Not unhappy with the results. It is what it is. We sold high in my opinion. Can't forget that Beckham lost 16 games to injury over the past two years. Now what we do in the Draft will tell the final story.
Are mad. Figures, they don't even know what good news is. This is great news, not good. Now a team can be built, not a fucking me team. Best move in years. But don't go by record since he has been here to measure, no, it wasn't his poor fault. Thank God this is over.
Fuck gettleman. Fuck Mara for hiring him bc it's the "Giants way" or whatever the fuck he was thinking.
What an absolute trash return on the best offensive player this team has had since 19-fucking-25.
Future HOF receiver. 27. in his prime. for pick 17 (lol pugh 2.0 or whatever), a 3rd rounder, and a secondary player. Replace collins with jalen fucking ramsey and it's still a bad trade.
Fuck this team, what an awful trade. I texted my dad that we should sell our season tickets.
You wanted cap relief? Cut the corpse of eli. You needed a safety? tag landon collins and revisit next year.
gettleman is a fucking shitshow. fuck mara for hiring him, fuck gettleman for being so dumb.
OBJ, Nick Chubb, kareem hunt, baker, landry, and duke johnson jr out of the backfield. that browns offense is going to be humming.
There's a lot to unpack the first question you should ask is why? I think clearly there is information here that we are not privy to. Some things that I believe. I don't think OBJ wanted to be here anymore. I believe Glazer's source was OBJ himself. I believe this was the best offer Gettleman was going to get and the offers were going to get worse once OBJ started opening his mouth. I think Occam's razor is appropriate. You don't trade Hall of Fame caliber receivers for no reason. The simplest answer is OBJ wanted out sooner rather than later and DG got the best offer he could. I have more thoughts but I'm posting from my phone and it's difficult
I know there's a contingent of fans who live in a fantasy land where the cost of players doesn't impact how the roster is built, but just remember the Giants just paid 20m+ for 12 games.
If that's a good investment, awesome.
If you don't think the Giants could have gotten this type of deal last offseason fair enough.
lol how someone could type this fucking post out when we pay eli as much money as we do
DG tossed out four defensive starters: JPP, Snacks, Vernon and Collins and hadn't replaced any of them with a player as good or better. These four players all found immediate starting jobs on their new teams.
DG threw out both defensive edge rushers, as well as the League's best known one man run defense up the middle and the Giants' pass rush, which is second only to quarterback in cost.
It would have taken years to replace both the quarterback and the pass rush. DG, having created so many holes in the defense, and having not addressed QB last year, had no choice but to find a shortcut to finishing the roster.
people want the next franchise QB, and for that QB to have someone elite to throw to. Almost a certainty that the first 3 years of Barkley are now down the tubes. Could have had a third rounder for Collins last Fall and got nothing. Sorry, but companies go bankrupt with this kind of decision making from the top.
I dont know if I want my tickets anymore
I have had Giant tickets for over 35 years
I lived through the 1960 - 1970s
This is worse then the 70s
We lose Collins for nothing and Beckham for little more
They essentially replace Collins with Peppers and get a first for Beckham
The Giants are in rebuild but they passed on a quality QB last year
If they select a mediocre QB , Haskins, to fill a void Rather than an edge rusher I am done
Not unhappy with the results. It is what it is. We sold high in my opinion. Can't forget that Beckham lost 16 games to injury over the past two years. Now what we do in the Draft will tell the final story.
what? OBJ is 27 years old, middle of his prime. How can anyone say this is a rebuild when eli is at qb and we passed on a qb last year for a running back? What the fuck? this is a team that has no clue what it's doing.
we discussed they worst run NFL organizations. He felt it was a toss-up between the Jets and the Redskins with the Browns not too far behind. I leaned more towards the Redskins because of the direct corelation between Snyder and the fall of the team.
It looks like I might have spoken too soon because the Giants management might have just made some generational decisions.
Welcome back to the 70's. I just hope there is an LT type of reward at the end of this clusterflub.
that's what it took to make this deal. I think it is for the best myself. I am bias in that WR is the least important position on a football team. You want a functional wr corps which can threaten the defnese in many ways and id reliable catching the ball.
Never build your team around an individual WR. Especially a WR with the diva gene that is also not physically large and has become injury prone (his fault or not). Don't flip out, this move will be best long term.
My favorite Beckham game was the one many revile him for. When he acted like a child and stopped doing his job to target the opposing CB in that 2015 Carolina game. He should have been tossed, and it was a sign of his wierd mental state. Thing is, Coughlin knew his ass was on the line and needed wins. He left Beckham in and if memory serves, Beckham fucking lit up the Panthers and the Giants roared back. Of course the defense blew it. That was a great performance though once he started doing his job again.
I do wish that one handed catch in a loss against Dallas never happened though. It launched him to stardom and to levels you should have to earn by actually winning. It just threw things off somehow.
Lowest moments, partying on a boat before the biggest game of hia career, running out shirtless in Green Bay like a fucking idiot prior to going out and shitting the bed in the game itself, and last season going on an interview and shitting on NY within a month of being paid 90 million. I am sure the owners loved that.
I support the move.
Nice post Roco, I dont think Giants were ever going to win with him
Good picks!
Good Safety
Got rid of that huge contract.
Got rid of the distraction.
Agree with me or not.... I am so happy!
Only the 17th pick in the first round & the ABSOLUTE last pick(#95) in the 3rd round. He couldn't even get the Browns 1st 3rd round pick.I like Peppers but this is a major steal for the Browns. Why the rush? NFL Network just said he talked to ONE other team. There's a month plus until the draft-create a competition in the press,make fans of other teams clamor for their GM to trade for OBJ,make a Khalil Mack killing. Gettleman said he needed to be blown away. This was a light breeze!
think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
He didn't run wild. He had 2 excellent games and 2 terrible games. And they were 1-3 in that span.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
He didn't run wild. He had 2 excellent games and 2 terrible games. And they were 1-3 in that span.
He also had terrible games at the beginning of the year with OBJ.
Improve the OL, the offense will be just fine.
By week's end, this trade will be looked upon as ultimately the right move.
RE: RE: I also see a lot of people mocking the giants signing of Beckham now.
Whats the alternative? Giants let Beckham walk and get nothing at all?
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. Whats wrong with that?
This is exactly the point - Giants handled this situation perfectly. Unlike the Steelers who look like bumbling idiots right now... And now we are learning that Odell wanted more money again after the AB trade? Good gracious... and good riddance...
And good for David Gettleman for having the courage to do this...
OBJ wanting more money is just speculation on NFL network
that this kind of situation could develop in wake of AB's contract. It's grossly unfair to say Beckham wanted more money.
OBJ is a great player but he also has some baggage. In 5 years he has only played one complete season. I have never noticed much difference in the offence when he wasn't playing. He has anger problems. He's fighting with a net or with a DB. The Paris shit looks bad. On top of all that he didnt seem to want to be with the Giants. We got and extra first and third round pick plus a good safety. Not sure how this will effect the salary cap but it may help there too. I just think this trade was good for both OBJ and the giants.
Many here thought OBJ was worth the trouble, but I guess the Giants
feel differently. The fact is, if we arent winning, and Eli cant get him the ball, OBJ was always going to be a distraction.
Still a bad trade, simply not enough in return. Didnt get a pick for Collins was idiotic. Not getting two firsts for Odell was worse. Lets see what they do with Eli now. If he stays, hes absolutely holding the franchise hostage. To no fault of his own, but this fucking owner/GM/coach combo
Is a total disaster.
Now we have to watch Baker and Odell light the league up.
Organization being run into the ground by the nepotism lottery winner Mara junior. Turned down 2 first round picks a few years ago for him only to get fleeced today. We lost the best offensive player this team has ever seen. I hope saquon is paying attention to how the front office is shipping out playmaker after playmaker and leaves them high n dry when his contract runs out. We are being run by a bunch of clueless buffoons who care more about their horses than fixing this mess. It started with coughlins forced resignation.
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
But I feel like Odell couldve been better and has been the 3rd best and most talented WR since he entered the league. He really is a special talent. Him and Barkley both scare Philly, if we had a real team around them.It sucks we didnt do more with the Odell/Barkley duo. Misdirection potential. Go all in on a 5yr Kyler/Saquon duo.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
hate this trade. think history will provide evidence this was bad trade. that being said - the trade isn't going to burn my house down, make my kids sick, or affect me directly. so...moving on.
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
There's a lot to unpack the first question you should ask is why? I think clearly there is information here that we are not privy to. Some things that I believe. I don't think OBJ wanted to be here anymore. I believe Glazer's source was OBJ himself. I believe this was the best offer Gettleman was going to get and the offers were going to get worse once OBJ started opening his mouth. I think Occam's razor is appropriate. You don't trade Hall of Fame caliber receivers for no reason. The simplest answer is OBJ wanted out sooner rather than later and DG got the best offer he could. I have more thoughts but I'm posting from my phone and it's difficult
For all the "all world talent" tags that OBJ receives, he's only led the league in one category over his 5 years career....and that was yards per game during his rookie season.
Jerry Rice led the league 14 times across meaningful categories over his entire career.
Not unhappy with the results. It is what it is. We sold high in my opinion. Can't forget that Beckham lost 16 games to injury over the past two years. Now what we do in the Draft will tell the final story.
what? OBJ is 27 years old, middle of his prime. How can anyone say this is a rebuild when eli is at qb and we passed on a qb last year for a running back? What the fuck? this is a team that has no clue what it's doing.
What you say is true. This rebuild should have started in 2018, if anything it shows me the Giants vastly misjudged what they had last offseason, and are now doing an about face. It just shows a directionless franchise right now. I hope there is a full commit to a rebuild, and no longer half measures. Unfortunately, a full rebuild probably takes a few seaons, and figuring a 2020 qb is the target (Im sorry there isnt a good qb in 2019), you ready to compete by maybe 2022 at the earliest? Now youve wasted half of your top players peak production years (a top running back averages around 8 years at peak performance)- making he 2018 pick even more curious to me, again very hard to defend this franchise over the last 9 seasons.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't get all the bellyaching...
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
#6 made me laugh. I don't think the best way to clean up 7 years of bad drafts is to trade away the few good players drafted during those years....but apparently crazy Dave thinks so.
hate this trade. think history will provide evidence this was bad trade. that being said - the trade isn't going to burn my house down, make my kids sick, or affect me directly. so...moving on.
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
Have you ever managed an employee who absolutely did not at to work for you?
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
... next offseason. Trading him this year is stupid AF. $16 million cap hit? No one else on offense scares a defense. Barkley is going to get stuffed and take an unnecessary beating. How is that good for the future of the Giants?
The Giants are going to have the number one pick in the draft next year. This team has no defense and the worst WRs in the NFL. They need to think long and hard about drafting a QB this year, as in only do it if they are convinced their QB options will be better than the 2020 crop.
intelligent and rational summary of all the knee-jerk and emotional rants on this thread.
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
This post right here proves youre one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this board.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
intelligent and rational summary of all the knee-jerk and emotional rants on this thread.
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
If you think mdc1s is even in the realm of intelligent, well, you must be a a mouth breather too.
Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
I would have asked for #17 this year and next years #1...
That would have given us more ammunition to trade up if we needed to. On the other hand, this will probably mean 2 or 3 less wins... So maybe a trade up won't be necessary.
I don't really care about an in the box safety, didn't we just let one go...
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
That would make the most sense, but we keep hearing that Rosen's personality isn't what the Giants want.
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
Yeah, Kyler better be an all-time great QB if we do that, otherwise it puts us in purgatory for a decade more
RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
I have no issue with you, and appreciate your expression, but that doesn't make sense at all.
If they are gonna trade there 2nd rd pick for Rosen, then who better to have him throwing the ball to than Beckham, who will help to improve his QB Rating.
Secondly these two high picks you speak of, there isn't one player in this draft as talented as Beckham.
Finally, there is no guarantee that either the 6th pick or the 17th pick are hits. They can both be complete busts.
This 2019 draft is inexorably weaker than the 2014 draft class ever was....
rather than deal with a rebuild that, even if it goes well, will come to fruition after he's gone. It seems clear Giants don't expect to be competitive this year. Eli doesn't owe the organization anything more than he's given. And it's also quite possible some move will be made before his bonus payment comes due next week. I don't know if Giants think any of this year's QBs are viable, if a Rosen trade is a possibility, or if they plan on waiting until next year. But let Lauletta, the esteemed Alex Tanney, or a cheap journeyman play it out.
simply based on the fact that the team trading for him wont have him for 5 years on a rookie deal. They will only have him for 4 years.. That means they should take less... I think I would offer them a #3 and one of those multiple #5's I have as a starting point.. giving the #2 only if necessary.
RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
There is absolutely no way this is happening. They are there to discuss Rosen with Keim and Kingsbury... hopefully for the third round pic they just got from Browns and perhaps a 3rd/4th next year...
Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
RE: I dont think Arizona should get a #1 for Rosen
simply based on the fact that the team trading for him wont have him for 5 years on a rookie deal. They will only have him for 4 years.. That means they should take less... I think I would offer them a #3 and one of those multiple #5's I have as a starting point.. giving the #2 only if necessary.
Exactly the right way to approach this - plus, Rosen did not have a good year last year. He was the worst of last year's first round quarterback pics including Lamar Jackson who was at the back end of the first round. And Rosen has a reputation of being a prickly personality... have to assume Cards want to deal him asap and Giants therefore need to negotiate accordingly...
Eli behind a historically horrendous OL for at least half the season
1. ended up #9 in the NFL in yards
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
RE: RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
Ive heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that Im not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think its the Murray Pro day and Elis bonus
RE: Eli behind a historically horrendous OL for at least half the season
1. ended up #9 in the NFL in yards
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
And it would have gotten worse over time with the O featuring Barkley. I dont believe for a second that he would be happy seeing Barkley get all the attention. A diva WR is also not good for the development of a young QB.
Beyond all that, you dont build your team around a WR... especially one who comes up small in big games.
I would have liked more in the trade, but I really dont know a lot about Peppers.
But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
How is a series of absolutely dumb trades by Gettlemen a failure on Reeses part? I'll spot you that Flowers was a failed pick, but the others were Gettlemen trading good players for bad draft picks. (or nothing, in the case of Pugh). And in the case of OBJ also saddled the Giants with an absurd cap hit.
RE: RE: RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
Ive heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that Im not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think its the Murray Pro day and Elis bonus
I wonder if they trade for Rosen, cut Eli, and use the savings to sign Daryl Williams.
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
My initial, uninformed view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants, but was talking on 538 Slack with some people who know a lot more about the NFL than I do and their view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants.
Reese's failure is now nearly complete
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Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
Engram is also hanging by a thread, he better have a good camp or he's #6.
But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Their time is over. You can win without them.
hen you keep Beckham. You aren't likely to replace his production with either the draft pick or the cap room.
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The long term plan here? Because we clearly arent going all in with talent nor ate we in a full rebuild. Were taking on guys like Zeitler yet not signing any free agents. Trading our best player yet not giving up on our geriatric WB. Just doesnt make sense. Worst GM in the NFL?
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
If the giants are a worse offensive team next year without OBJ, I'll quit posting. If they aren't, will you?
He had definitely lost a step off of his jets after the injury. That second gear he had before the injury was just not there. He was not breaking away for those long TDs. If he reains that extra gear? I don't like the trade. But if he stays where he is now? I'm OK with it. Peppers seems to be an up and coming safety and a decent return guy. 17th pick is not an awful thing either.
work for the Giants making these comments.. I also wouldnt have traded him.. what I believe is this simple. The Giants got tired of his sideline antics.. pouting.. silly cryptic twitter comments.. and had enough...
The long term plan here? Because we clearly arent going all in with talent nor ate we in a full rebuild. Were taking on guys like Zeitler yet not signing any free agents. Trading our best player yet not giving up on our geriatric WB. Just doesnt make sense. Worst GM in the NFL?
I believe they acquired Zeitler because they think he has 3-4 years left and they wanted to solidify the OL before they draft a QB this year or next.
The long term plan here? Because we clearly arent going all in with talent nor ate we in a full rebuild. Were taking on guys like Zeitler yet not signing any free agents. Trading our best player yet not giving up on our geriatric WB. Just doesnt make sense. Worst GM in the NFL?
Eli wont be here in 2020.. the Giants from my limited understanding of the cap will be 90 million under the cap for 2020... perfect to build around a young QB still on a rookie deal..
The laws of supply and demand really don't lie. If there was a team out there willing to pay more for Odell, then we would know by now. The league spoke and told us what Odell's "current value" is...everything considered.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
as an complete moron is also solidified - go root for Foles and TC. Reese was with the Giants for 23 years, and deserves as much credit as TC for 42 and 46. Time to move on from both, unfortunately they appear to have gotten new HC and GMs that should be canned sooner rather than later. I'll primarily blame Mara for that.
When the Giants canned TC they went from 6-10 to 11-5. When they canned Reese, 3-13 to 5-11, and healthier, drafting 2nd in rounds 1, 2 and 3.
I bet Injuries played a big part in Giants thinking
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Rational and measured. Thank you. Still wish it didn't happen or didn't have to happen. And I agree re Collins/Peppers.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
He has trashed the defense, losing Harrison, Apple, and Collins. He has given away the best WR the Giants ever had. Well, looking forward to an unexcitable, well-mannered group that will unlikely get 4 wins. Back to the late 1960s and 1970s.
If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
No offense, but what a pile of bullshit. If you're going to base one's ability to create a legacy on how they perform in their first playoff game, then Eli Manning would never be a "Giant great" because he completely shit his pants in his first playoff game. The greatest WR of all-time did absolutely nothing in his first three playoff games. Just pure anti-Odell nonsense. Jabrill Peppers might be really good one day... he sure as fuck isn't right now. Let's not act like we upgraded from Collins just to fit a horseshit narrative.
I wish they never drafted Odell because his singular talents were used to keep people around who needed to be jettisoned much earlier. The QB, HC, OC, and GM were all allowed to stick around much longer than possible because Odell could turn nothing into 7 points better than anyone. It's obvious the GM has no fucking clue what he's doing. I never had an issue with the Giants drafting Barkley, but they look absolutely ridiculous for doing it now that they've removed any possibility of team success for the next 2+ years of his career. As someone brilliantly said earlier, he's the new Barry Sanders.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
Its dawning on me that gettlemans clear end game is to get as many chips as he can, even if it means sacrificing current elite players. The Collins move makes a lot of sense now if he knew he was getting Peppers in a trade - means hes still in line to receive a comp pick next year. Theres a lot of holes on this roster and if he needed to shed guys that clearly arent going to be part of the young core (or if he could replace them like he replaced Collins with Peppers) hes going to do so. The next step is the QB, lets see how he handles this.
Is giving guys like Collins, Beckham and other great players an opportunity to reach the playoffs. It is difficult to accept that he is building, let alone re-building, this team.
All things considered, I kind of like the whole deal and think the Giants as a team will be better off for it.
Safety absences solved. RG problem solved. Prima donna player/behavioral problems fixed. Cap limitation situation improved. Eli still starting (in case there were doubts).
They're loaded -- absolutely loaded -- with picks and have more cap room now. But a lot remains to be done: #1 WR, starting RT, and CB issues. But with their new stash maybe these can be fixed, too. So go do it.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
You can't judge him for another two years. I mean you can because there's nothing stopping you, but this is a rebuild of sorts. Not sure what the exact terminology would be but this is likely a 3 year plan.
This isn't fantasy football. You have NO idea what Beckham's value on the market was and don't think his off the field antics aren't a form of currency when it comes to trades. He brings with him a whole lot of distraction, doesn't matter if he's in CLE, LA or NY. Personally as a fan, I grew sick of it and there's no way he would have been helpful during this rebuild. So happy he's out of that locker room and 26 can be the face of the franchise.
Finally, this 2019 team hasn't played a down or even drafted yet and you're calling for DG's head. Let's see how this plays out. TOO many weapons hasn't won anyone Super Bowls. Its about balance.
and admittedly, I didn't read the whole thread....
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
You're one of the best WRs in your prime, and they put Eli above the franchise, but his name above the laundry, and keep him around? Directly affecting your potential?
Sorry, this can be traced back to the Giants blind love for Eli when he's clearly cooked.
Teams that people herald for not holding on to players too long, like the Eagles and Pats, would have cut Eli by now.
Please look around the league, ripe with players like Mahomes, Watson, and Mayfield, and tell me what WR would be excited to play with the 2019 VERSION (important delineation on the year there) of Eli Manning?
ZERO.
Could he have handled it better? Yes. But let's not act like what he was saying wasn't what pretty much any Elite WR would think.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
Your credibility goes out the fucking window when you make some bullshit claim that Brown is "twice the WR OBJ was".
we discussed they worst run NFL organizations. He felt it was a toss-up between the Jets and the Redskins with the Browns not too far behind. I leaned more towards the Redskins because of the direct corelation between Snyder and the fall of the team.
It looks like I might have spoken too soon because the Giants management might have just made some generational decisions.
Welcome back to the 70's. I just hope there is an LT type of reward at the end of this clusterflub.
Washington sucked for years before Snyder and went 10-6 the first year with Snyder and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Now what happened afterward ...
spooking the shit out of the Giants front office. And let's not forget, the Steelers are essentially (and literally) the Giants AFC cousins. After watching that horror show go down (from an ownership point of view), the Giants watched the Steelers trade Brown a year too late and get 60 cents on the dollar.
I am with what jt was saying on BBI, that I believe the plan all along for the Giants was to keep Odell this year, see what they could do, and then trade him next year, as the cap hit became less an issue and they can at least get 2 years for their efforts.
But watching the Brown return. Watching public circus that was created and the demand for more money guaranteed, I think the Giants got visions of that after the 2019 season so they moved to get him out now.
As for the return for Odell, when you compare it to other WRs traded, it was better than what others got, just not what we'd expect back. They did get the first rounder. They did get a 3rd and a starter. At the least, Gettleman should have gotten the better 3rd rounder, and I'd have hoped for a 2020 2nd. But...again, looking at Antonio Brown. Brown ultimately dictated where he was going to go. He shot down the Buffalo deal. I'm sure Odell wanted LA or SF, but he had Cleveland on his "list" so he could be with Mayfield and Landry. As much as I would have wanted the Giants to shop that offer around, I don't know how far they would have gotten in reality.
Odell was never a distraction to his teammates, that was what we had heard from his former teammates over and over again. But it's a fine line between that and him turning into Antonio Brown and completely pissing off the entire organization. The Giants basically got out before it got really bad.
"It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people."
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
He also threw quite a few inaccurately to the WR, as well.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
How'd 2017 go? How'd 2018 start? How'd the offense perform after their great 2015 season? Are you going to point to one game and tell me Eli still has it? Does he have the anti-aging wonder drug? Do players not fall off in their LATE FUCKING 30s?
Give me a break.
And besides the point that Eli is clearly "cooked", you missed the overarching point that it's quite simple for younger WRs to look around the league and 100% wish they had a more dynamic playmaker who isn't a statue that can get them the ball.
Again, answer my question - do you think elite WRs would ever put Eli in the top 15 starting QBs they'd want to play with at this point in time?
Newsflash: they wouldn't.
And yeah, Eli is cooked.
Don't give me this bullshit about what Antonio Brown fetched
The Steelers hands were tied. Brown wanted out in the worst way and he was getting a new contract wherever he went.
We have to eat that humongous cap hit of OBJ.
Oh and BTW, Amari Cooper got a first on his own....and remember how many people thought that the Raiders had robbed the Cowboys? Turned out he was worth it, but you get the point.
There's absolutely no way of spinning this in our favor. You want to trade OBJ? Fine. But you better get a king's ransom not only for the type of player he is, but for the cap hit you'll be suffering. We didn't get that. We got a drop in the bucket.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
Drop the mic 🎤
Best post of the day, if not the year, about OBJ and the state of the franchise. Finally, a voice of reason.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I dont understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and dont trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he cant trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok theres dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
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The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Something I haven't seen someone say
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
Everyone slobbering over a pro Giants brain trust post
and ignoring the anonymous AFC sourr saying hed be fired over this trade return is indicative of the delusional attitude most have to support the Giants.
Weve just let go of one of the most talented highest upside players in the league for a sub par return. People want to talk about his issues but the way we managed him, our coaching turnover, our inability to put people around him that could build a real winning roster that starts at the top and no matter how many players get run out of town for being malcontents we still have people refusing to look in the mirror and see the issues we have at the top.
Honestly Ive been a die hard Giants fan my whole life and these last few seasons paired with the way some fans think about this team makes this whole situation so repugnant for me. We have become the Browns.
One thing is perfectly clear its Barkleys team now
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
My point is that Eli is not a player that any elite WR wants to play with in the league. And that's likely a big factor into why OBJ made his comments about NYC. I can't see it's the only factor, but it's obviously a big one.
Nobody wants to play with a shot QB, and nobody wants to play with a shot QB when management consistently decides to stick with him for things that happened nearly a deecade/over a decade ago..
Eli, save for really (somewhat) 2014 and 2015, hasn't really played consistently well since the first half of 2012. Why would elite young WRs want to play with him?
All I'm saying is that likely factored into his decision that he made with his comments. It was DUMB to air them publicly in an interview with lil wayne, but I do think it was a factor
And Eli had a chance to make up for it 2 seasons later
they basically got what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack for a player who has far more risks. He misses more games, relies on skills that have a shorter shelf life (elite speed + athleticism), and doesn't always set the best example. I hated the Mack trade for the Raiders because he is exactly the type of cornerstone you want in your lockerroom, this one is more even value for both sides in my mind.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
they basically got what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack for a player who has far more risks. He misses more games, relies on skills that have a shorter shelf life (elite speed + athleticism), and doesn't always set the best example. I hated the Mack trade for the Raiders because he is exactly the type of cornerstone you want in your lockerroom, this one is more even value for both sides in my mind.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
RE: I just don't comprehend how grown men routinely got their feelings
hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
RE: RE: I just don't comprehend how grown men routinely got their feelings
hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link : reply
all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
RE: RE: RE: I just don't comprehend how grown men routinely got their feelings
hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link : reply
all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
I was wrong, it happens.
Hey, how did Eli's 'kick-ass' revenge tour go last season? Oh. Nevermind.
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Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
What difference does it make? They both sucked in their first playoff game. The difference is that's a scarlet letter for Odell and people forgot about it with Eli because he had opportunities to redeem himself later.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch.
I for one think DG is building the team around SB who is a generational and team player. Giants will win by building strong defense to stop others running/passing, and a strong running game to control clock and score. the changes to oline are about this as is trading for safeties and draft picks in strong d draft.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I dont understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and dont trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he cant trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok theres dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
Read every post - DJM bravo on each of yours! Can't agree more.
The long sufferers remember its only glorious to win when the guys you rooted hard for and admire put it together and pull it off as a team.
I'm okay with an Eli farewell tour and a real rebuild to create a group I'd like to see win. Beckham wasn't getting us there alone or sticking around to be a part of it through the growing pains.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Something I haven't seen someone say
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Something I haven't seen someone say
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Lost in the boat nonsense (1 week prior to a game) repeatedly is the fact that Super Bowl winner Victor Cruz was the driving force behind it all and planned it but lets continue to lay all blame on Odell.
Not directed at anyone in particular but the annoying antics
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
I don't remember, but then I don't, as an adult male, worry at night what 21 year old kids do on their league-mandated days off and burn it into my memory as you apear to have.
RE: montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
Lmao, time for some sleep
RE: montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch.
I for one think DG is building the team around SB who is a generational and team player. Giants will win by building strong defense to stop others running/passing, and a strong running game to control clock and score. the changes to oline are about this as is trading for safeties and draft picks in strong d draft.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
He is one of the best players I have ever seen play WR yet our record since He was drafted is 31-45. His positive impact on this team is not being felt on the field.
While you always hate to lose talent I am glad to see him go. I am not a fan of his antics and for all of his flash and great plays he has also cost us some games mainly because he can't control his emotions.
I am definitely in the minority but I think this could be addition by subtraction. I see more opportunities for Barkley both in run and pass plays. Less pressure on the QB to get OBJ the ball. I am excited for FA and the draft. OBJ has the potential to be one of the best but he'll remain on the cusp until he can prove to be consistent and a winner. Maybe this move will knock him down a peg and drive him to be his best or maybe he will continue to be all flash and not get his team to higher levels. He brought a lot of flash on the Giants but maybe the 1st rounder, the 3rd rounder and Peppers will bring us the wins with less flash.
RE: montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch.
I for one think DG is building the team around SB who is a generational and team player. Giants will win by building strong defense to stop others running/passing, and a strong running game to control clock and score. the changes to oline are about this as is trading for safeties and draft picks in strong d draft.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
One year at most, and get ready for a losing record. Oh, wait. Nothing new there.
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
Our memories of OBJ will be of some of the darkest years in team history. Yes, some of his catches were bright spots, but his absolute best, breakout games were losses for the team. It's a team sport, and we've won without divas at the WR spot. I liked Odell. Even had his jersey, and defended him here on BBI just hours before he was traded, but if the franchise thought it was time to move on, then so be it. Peppers is an AMAZING athlete who can truly do it all, and with these draft picks, we can really build a strong, young team with great chemistry in Eli's last years. And, by the way, if we were intent on a rebuild and just getting rid of everyone, Eli would be gone. We're trying to build a solid cohesive team around him. A diva WR calling for the ball every play is just not a productive part of that. Odell had his share of BAD drops too, several in his biggest game as a pro in GB. We got a hell of a lot more than PIT got for AB, and all in all we will all agree by mid-season that this was a brilliant trade. In DG we trust.
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
The point is that as great a player as he is, it's not translating to wins and losses. We have also seen some of the worst offensive units. One great player is not translating to wins so maybe with Peppers and the 2 picks it will be addition by subtraction. He has also missed 21 games already and only played 1 full season so that is a concern as well.
RE: Not directed at anyone in particular but the annoying antics
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Exactly -- I think back to the guy at the combine who didn't have his shoes to run the 40 and had to borrow someone else's. Still waiting for that guy to grow up. Something Amani Toomer once said always stuck with me -- something to the effect of he's doing all of this and he can still learn how to run better routes and refine his game -- if he ever wanted to, to become an all-time great.
his leg and mimicked pissing like a dog in the end zone when the giants were 0-2 in 2017? of just this past season, when he helped lose the carolina game with his lazy special teams brainfart in a critical moment? good times. he will be missed. LMAO.
i defended beckham up through the 2016 season but his chokejob in the GB playoff game was the beginning of the end for me. if he truly was asking for more money after being slated to make 20 mil this year then fuck him. i would've taken a 5th for him at that point.
You can not accuse Odell of its not working his ass off to be good at football. That Toomer quote is preposterous.
Maybe true -- and I don't disagree about him working hard.
Who knows if Toomer knows something. What I can tell you is that I've seen a lot of people in my years who work their ass off and for one reason or another never get appreciably better. I cringe to even say the cliche, but it's the old adage about working smarter not harder.
Hanging out with Beiber and then dropping two passes that could have led to a score in a game the Giants were absolutely dominating was just indicative of how little Beckham had invested in winning. The Giants won 2 SBs without a star receiver by having a great D, a really good running back, and a decent pocket for Eli to throw from. I think that's where Gettleman is going with the rebuild.
RE: Beckham Sealed His Fate In The Green Bay Playoff Game
Hanging out with Beiber and then dropping two passes that could have led to a score in a game the Giants were absolutely dominating was just indicative of how little Beckham had invested in winning. The Giants won 2 SBs without a star receiver by having a great D, a really good running back, and a decent pocket for Eli to throw from. I think that's where Gettleman is going with the rebuild.
Wut? The team with Plax, Toomer and the burgeoning Smith "didn't have a star WR?"
And ROTFLMAO if you double down on that for the Nicks + Cruz + MM team. Doesn't Nicks still own the most yards by a receiver in a series of playoff games in 1 season? Wan't Cruz a Pro Bowler?
WTF are you remembering? Or misremembering?
Not to mention - much to Eli's credit - that 2011 OL was shit on a shingle. Not only didn't Eli have a pocket to throw from in the NFC championship game, he didn't have a change purse large enough to hold 2 dimes and a nickle. You need to check out some tape and get a clue.
RE: Apologies for not reading all 800 but here's a relatively simple take
they basically got what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack for a player who has far more risks. He misses more games, relies on skills that have a shorter shelf life (elite speed + athleticism), and doesn't always set the best example. I hated the Mack trade for the Raiders because he is exactly the type of cornerstone you want in your lockerroom, this one is more even value for both sides in my mind.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
Good post. My concern is with the injuries hes had the last two seasons.
RE: I just don't comprehend how grown men routinely got their feelings
hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Wellington Mara was a fantastic owner. John Mara has barely been tested yet. He may very well turn out to be an awful NFL owner. Having a thin skin with OBJ doing s stupid Lil Wayne interview after excepting his money may very well be his downfall when we look back.
but the longer I think about it, the more this trade makes sense - longterm. We will have a rookie QB starting either this year or next year. So in essence we're looking at two more years of not contending. I have no idea if Beckham wouldn't have duplicated Antonio Brown's move. But trading him a year or two years from now would probably have resulted in fewer picks in return.
There are a lot of angles to consider, talent-wise, in regard to team culiding and the locker room culture, cap-wise. The additional first rounder could also lead us to drafting Dillard or someone else as our RT of the future without having to shell out 10 to 12 mio. a year to a FA RT.
Or we could load up on the defensive line or draft a CB to replace Jenkins in a year or two.
In essence, if the plan is to make the Giants relevant again in three years, this was probably the correct move. Short-term it hurts and hate to lose a Giant as electric as Beckham.
The team is rebuilding and building around two offensive skills positions is not good team construction.
That said, what doesnt calculate is that they signed the guy to a huge contract, go on the record stating they didnt sign him to trade him, then turn around and trade him. This has been the most confused rebuild from the start. A sense of some overall plan is lacking here. Why fail to trade Collins when they had the chance then let him walk for nothing? Why sign Odell to huge contract then trade him in first year?
Wishy washy comes to mind.
One thing came to my mind this morning. I don't have the quote, but
having a young QB throw to Beckham. In fact, they had already signed a top wide receiver last year in Landry when they were still in the midst of their "rebuild". Their recent success is just evidence that you don't have to implode your entire team and jettison veteran talent while you're in the process of figuring out how to get the team competitive again. These moves that the Giants have been making have more of a feel of panic than it does of planning.
Pittsburgh got a 3rd and a 5th for Antonio Brown. The Giants, by contrast, should get 5 or 6 starters in this deal, between Peppers, the draft picks and the cap relief.
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Eric on Li delivering some of the best, most balanced posts on this thread. Well done.
guy did a lot for the franchise - gets a quick call from Gettleman - "Hey, you're going to Cleveland." Pretty classless if that's how it happened.
What should he have done, brought him out to lunch to break the news? If Mara and Gettleman were fed up, thats on beckham and getting a phone call is what was deserved.
I really liked Beckham, I didnt want him traded but it sounds like he was going to start dictating how business should be ran. He got traded, end of story.
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
You can isolate on the dropped TD if you want, but since when is that a mortal sin? It's not enough that he's a top 5 player, there's no room for not catching every pass? That's a strange standard, that he has to be perfect.
In that same game, he also played out of his mind after that point and tied the game in the clutch with a massive play.
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
the posters here saying that "Peppers is the other 1st rounder," when trying to justify the return. He is not, he has burned 2 years off of his rookie deal already, and we only have him for 2 more at a cost controlled rate, before the 5th year option. Most of the major benefit of a new 1st round pick is having those 4 years, and Peppers does not. I don't see that as equal, especially when his play has been a tick above average (really only recently).
RE: RE: RE: This was not only the right move......
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Antonio Brown went for what? OJB went for what? We have the 6th, 17th and 38th. Hmmm.
Evidently, star receivers are not that valuable.
Meanwhile, I recommend the G-men acquire free agent Keven White, trade their 38th to Arizona for Josh Rosen and use the 6th and 17th pick for DEFENSE starting with Sweatz.
are two of the best wrs in the game.
steelers get a 3 and 5 for AB
giants get a 1, 3, and a good safety.
apparently there must of been other factors that led to this beckham trade. so is this trade as bad as many are saying it is?
RE: RE: RE: RE: This was not only the right move......
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This was not only the right move......
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Shockey saying they won nothing with him is just a fact. Doesnt mean it was his fault, just that it wasnt working.
I m really surprised that the majority of posters here are being so negative
Plax ended that offense early. We never got to see Smith and Nicks together in their prime. Same for Nicks and Cruz. And Cruz and Odell. Now Odell and Barkley has been taken away.
My fear now is that the Giants will use the two 1st rounders to move up for a QB and that QB ends up as a bust.
I would feel better if they trade down with the 6th, perhaps the 17th for draft capital in 2020. But, chances of that are slim to none.
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This was not only the right move......
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given OBJ a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given OBJ a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
The cap issues are meaningless compared to the comparison of what we could have traded OBJ for last year, coming off the injury, versus now.
We could have PERHAPS gotten a 1st for him. Now we've gotten a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers, along with a ton of cap space next season.
I'm not in love with the trade, but I think we did better than if we'd either traded him last year or franchised him (because if he was a headache with a huge new contract, imagine what he would have been like playing under the tag).
get their ER at #6 and an OT prospect at #17, they will have solidified two major weaknesses.
Now they need two WRs, and SS isn't far from his walk year in the slot.
Things change on a dime in the NFL. Fans here thought the defense would wreak havoc after 2016 ... never happened. OB in the HoF wearing Giants Blue? Probably not gonna happen.
Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given OBJ a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
We wouldnt have gotten everything we did if he was franchised.
"antics" were never that bad, but the Giants obviously disagreed. Many others have cited the specifics. Other teams knew the Giants were weary of Beckham, and that invariably reduced his price. It wasn't a fire sale, but he was traded at a significant discount.
We need to move forward now, and hope that Gettleman finds good players with the new draft picks. We also need to hope that Peppers is our long term safety.
I read the first three pages of this thread and most of the posts echo my sentiments as well.
I've been a die-hard Giants' fan for over 50 years and although I'm not going to lie to myself and claim that I'm done with this team, I am really pissed!!!
Fuck Mara for dictating this trade needed to be made.
Fuck DG for getting a shitty return.
And now that I think of it, fuck OBJ as well. If OBJ had acted more like a professional our over-reactive ownership wouldn't have felt they had to trade him.
I wonder if Mara will have the balls to step in front of a microphone and at least explain this to Giants fans. Doubtful!
At this point I fully expect that the next move this team will make is to extend Eli. Clueless John probably thinks that's what we want.
That the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for is to die
in your sleep
Wellington Mara was a fantastic owner. John Mara has barely been tested yet. He may very well turn out to be an awful NFL owner. Having a thin skin with OBJ doing s stupid Lil Wayne interview after excepting his money may very well be his downfall when we look back.
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Why would Eli want to come back now?
exactly
Next years 1 had better be involved.
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Here are the trade terms: Giants recieve a first-round pick in 2019 (No. 17 overall), the Browns' second third-round pick this year and S Jabril Peppers, source tells ESPN. Browns get Odell Beckham Jr.
I dont think thats enough
LOL. Train wreck of a franchise. Might as well give them Odell since the Giants are the new Browns
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Unreal
This is a terrible trade.
Yikes. That's it?
Great trade
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Yikes. That's it?
Guess i missed the 3rd.
Now the giants have zero premium players at premium positions
Im fine with totally tearing this down, but Gettleman should be fired for drafting a running back #2 overall and now basically admitting that this team is no where near winning. This clown should not be steering this ship
Great trade
Wait, a 1 and a 3
Its not remotely a good trade.
...DG breaking a lot more fucking eggs to make his new omelet!!! Un-fucking real!
This Sucks
Me too, great get at safety...but expected a better haul for OBJ...has to be more to the story...as in ownership has had enough of him and pushed the move
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Its not remotely a good trade.
Not counting on that.
Fuck you DG.
This made me laugh....hard.
AND the browns get him at a discount without the bonus. I bet we watch him as part of a winner there. This is horrible.
Youre a fucking moron. No its not.
Just forget about this year.
Isnt it generally accepted her major source is OBJ himself?
I need the pic of Randy Marsh from South Park NOW
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Isnt it generally accepted her major source is OBJ himself?
With Collins and Odell gone, Josina won't have any more Giants' scoops.
You just say anything the Giants do is good.
...unfucking real!
Who is gonna loosen the defense up to allow Saquon a little room past the LOS???
Two birds....
Once you trade him, they still have to pay him, despite formerly deciding he was not worth the price.
This is why stars that are signed on the open free agency market are often traded for low round picks.
Odell just signed a massive extension which made him the highest paid WR in the league. It's true this wasn't a true open market deal, as it was an extension, but seeing as it is the #1 salary in the NFL for his position, it's fair to say that his salary was commensurate with the market rate for his talent. This is why you don't get excess value for trading him.
+ so fucking much
On top of this the cap hit is fucking insane. Gettleman can go fuck himself.
God if its that this makes it even more nauseating. I had that thought too.
OBJ is not replaceable.
I dont like the return, but if shit went sour fast, when can you possibly expect?
HORRIBLE fucking return.
Terps still cleaning jizz off his laptop
step in the right direction, been waiting on a culture and step to get out of the bottom of the division and start winning. Gettleman had to make this move. Sitting at the bottom of the NFC East is NOT a good look to ownership.
Not getting two #1's or a 1,2 and Peppers is terrible.
Good news is that he's unpredictable.
Bad news, was hoping for a bigger haul for OBJ.
Poor Saquon is really Barry Sanders now
I couldn't agree more.
Pretty sure that is what they are doing
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OBJ is not replaceable.
Of course he isnt.
But now we have no #1 WR.
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No reason to even keep Eli now.
step in the right direction, been waiting on a culture and step to get out of the bottom of the division and start winning. Gettleman had to make this move. Sitting at the bottom of the NFC East is NOT a good look to ownership.
Shut the fuck up you know nothing wannabe.
And all they need to do is fix a bottom-10 roster.
Nobody here thinks that Mara just got tired of the BS from Beckham? you really think this is all on DG?
This is obviously going to happen, LOL
Welcome to the real world.
Don't forget about the cap/dead money hit people.
This also makes Barkley less effective.
Once you trade him, they still have to pay him, despite formerly deciding he was not worth the price.
This is why stars that are signed on the open free agency market are often traded for low round picks.
Odell just signed a massive extension which made him the highest paid WR in the league. It's true this wasn't a true open market deal, as it was an extension, but seeing as it is the #1 salary in the NFL for his position, it's fair to say that his salary was commensurate with the market rate for his talent. This is why you don't get excess value for trading him.
this isn't exactly right.
- you only get to sign a player to one of these contracts (extension) if you already control them. there was not some other unrestricted WR of equal talent and production available to sign. if so, they could get more.
- the team taking over the contract is getting him at a discount (cap-wise).
so there is value. the amount is to be negotiated. i think this is a bad trade, since draft picks bust all the time. ugh.
As to what we got back.. after AB went for peanuts, what did you expect? This is actually about what I thought they would get.
I gotta hear the reason for this, and some kind of justification.
There has to be something else to this. There HAS to be.
Yep, you need to cut Eli now. It's madness not to.
$16 million this year
Really impossible to process this, but a very ballsy move by Gettleman that on the face I don't think is the disaster some are making it out to be. I don't think this was their first choice so it's hard to say.
...WTF?
Who's our #1 fucking receiver?
So much for a mega-synergy of OBJ, Saquon, Engram, etc.
Un-fucking real!
Welcome to the real world.
Your reward for being "right" is a handful more years of trash football to watch, operated by the Ian Allen of General Managers.
Having said that, if I can make a case for trading him, he's a distraction, has been injured more recently, and it's been mentioned here before: on slants this year it looked like those 80 yards TDs were turning into 20 yd gains.
Let's see what the Giants do with the picks........
WTF is Barkley gets hurt - who scares you on that offense?
And a 1st and a 3rd.
The Giants have been labeling so many malcontents. Many came out and said what an amazing teammate OBJ is.
If everyone on your team are malcontents maybe its the team thats the problem.
Where there's smoke there's fire..........
Not getting two #1's or a 1,2 and Peppers is terrible.
I suspect Giants management is gonna drag out the fact that Jabrill Peppers was a #1 two years ago! Or, whatever... beats the shit out of me!
And a 1st and a 3rd.
The ideas that come out of your mouth would indicate that you're half in the bag at all times.
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Not only did the Giants trade Beckham to the Browns, but the Browns traded the moniker of "worst-run franchise in the NFL" to the Giants.
This idea actually makes me sick.
That's a poor return.
And it's frankly madness to keep Eli without any receivers. He's not worth paying for one year when you've already thrown in the towel.
Say thanks and goodbye and move on.
Are we allowed to complain about the drooling, senile old bastard running the team now?
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Not only did the Giants trade Beckham to the Browns, but the Browns traded the moniker of "worst-run franchise in the NFL" to the Giants.
I made this joke on page 1 of this thread...
19th best safety last year according to PFF
It's hope trafficking, and the best part of this trade is the 17th pick in a lukewarm draft.
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Not only did the Giants trade Beckham to the Browns, but the Browns traded the moniker of "worst-run franchise in the NFL" to the Giants.
I made this joke on page 1 of this thread...
Is it really a joke though?
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
you're quite the superfan aren't you?
@MikeFrancesa
We can argue about compensation but Beckham trade is best thing that could happen to Giants. He just never got it.
DA POPE!
Yes. I picked up on that.
As to what we got back.. after AB went for peanuts, what did you expect? This is actually about what I thought they would get.
Seems to suggest we are rebuilding the team "core". We are losers and have not played basic football for years now. Time to pay the price and liquidate big names and salaries and get real football players. The culture needs to be built around stronger defense, oline, barkley, productive receivers and a game manager QB (guess its Eli). right now we are not even competitive for many of those aspects. Hopefully we draft some guys that we can plug in and develop and play now.
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
They don't gain cap space.
I like AJ Brown a lot and Nkeal Harry seems to be a good fit for Eli
Theyre scared of Eli. Cant hurt his lil feelings
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It's hope trafficking, and the best part of this trade is the 17th pick in a lukewarm draft.
Getting the contract off the team was worth it on its own. And I will bet a paycheck there is shit behind the scenes with Beckham we don't know about.
He can go be generational in Cleveland with his buddy. I'd bet another paycheck they don't go anywhere.
Not much for arguably the best WR in football.
Hells bells so much for Kim Jones' knowledge. But does she come off as a know nothing.
I bet we could have gotten the 49ers pick last year and maybe even another 1st (that would have been high this year)
This is just gross mismanagement.
Insinuating he was sitting out rather than playing hurt because the Giants burned bridges. If you're being honest nobody would get away with that at their job.
malcontents
I'm not sure yet what I think about this trade though my first instinct is we got fleeced.
But the Giants aren't the Knicks yet. Don't have the crippling contracts yet. If anything it looks like Gettleman is trying to get rid of them. That's all I can think of at the moment.
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
Fuck this bright side bullshit. This is an awful trade and theres no way around it. The Giants just gave away the best offensive player theyve had in fucking decades for garbage.
Im sure Go Terps is nutting in his pants right now.
Whats the point of releasing Eli? Can't just throw in a new rookie QB in there, year one. I hate this so much. Ugh. OBJ and Barkley were the only players that made the Giants worth watching!
My phone just lit up.
They are saying a first rounder and a secon round pick for Becky....
I'm sorry. I know there are a lot of Blondee fans of Becky here in NY, but I am ALL IN!!!!!
Hallelujah! I love, Love, LOVE this move!
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you're quite the superfan aren't you?
We have years left on this rebuild now... At which point we will have to pay barkley.. and who knows how much we are going to wear him out now that he is literally the entire offense.
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This is a big step on the road to recovery.
It's hope trafficking, and the best part of this trade is the 17th pick in a lukewarm draft.
Getting the contract off the team was worth it on its own. And I will bet a paycheck there is shit behind the scenes with Beckham we don't know about.
He can go be generational in Cleveland with his buddy. I'd bet another paycheck they don't go anywhere.
C'mon man. Filling in the blanks with your own conspiracy theories isn't a good faith argument. You know this is inpossible to defend, and if it wasn't Beckham, you wouldn't defend it.
But if this is the plan, honestly, they shouldn't pay Eli his bonus and send him on his way. If you are going to take care of all family business, fine, I can live with it if they go scorched earth.
Unfortunately, the Giants won't do this. They will keep Eli, they will package picks to move up a slot or 2 to make sure they get Haskins and, well, hope he doesn't suck even though most indications are he's going to be a "meh" prospect.
How they couldn't get a #1 next year is an abomination.
Not much for arguably the best WR in football.
Hells bells so much for Kim Jones' knowledge. But does she come off as a know nothing.
Yep, as much as people on this form hate Josina Anderson, Josina schooled Kim on this one.
This.
Odell is not a team player. He will be missed but we are rebuilding and we will get a WR this year in the draft.
I am excited for the Giants.
God bless
Only morons what love a trade that gives away one of the most talented WR in football.
Glad to know youre one.
...a sickening feeling! No way you trade OBJ for 1,3 and Peppers! Just no fucking way! Period!
It's great!
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No point in keeping him
you're quite the superfan aren't you?
We have years left on this rebuild now... At which point we will have to pay barkley.. and who knows how much we are going to wear him out now that he is literally the entire offense.
You know, having Barkley just sit out 2019 might be something to think about lol. Save the wear and tear of what is going to clearly be a lost season of 9 in the box.
yeah let's judge him on what he said he might do.
no # 1, no proven # 2, a TE who has trouble staying healthy and can't block. but we get the #17 pick and he might be a great player at some point.
No player, I repeat no player is untradeable, but Gettleman got fleeced. Browns just got a whole lot better, Giants just a whole lot worse.
Funny, but JonC just said this afternoon that the Odell market would be down after AB's trade. He was a bit off with the Giants getting substantially more than Pittsburgh, but not the crazy haul we thought they'd get.
Yes, I'd have to believe that Eli will shortly be either traded or cut. Absolutely no reason to keep him around now.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
All time Giant fuck up.
WTF?
Utter incompetence. Is George Young available to step in and run the team. We are so fucked.
Odell is not a team player. He will be missed but we are rebuilding and we will get a WR this year in the draft.
I am excited for the Giants.
God bless
Then u draft Haskins @ 6 or Lock @ 17 & rebuild.
WTF?
that's not the market for these players with big contracts.. AB went for peanuts, and he is provably better than Beckham.
WTF?
Beckham must have threaten the Giants that he would follow in WR Browns footsteps. Only thing that makes sense
WTF?
His injury history reduces his value.
...their 80th or 95th???
If the latter, than just DG can just go F himself.
...their 80th or 95th???
If the latter, than just DG can just go F himself.
95
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
Mara had to sign off on this... OBJ must have done real damage.
...in the Third Round?
Which fucking one is it?
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If you are going to trade Beckham, you got to receive more than a #1, late #3, and a player in return.
WTF?
Beckham must have threaten the Giants that he would follow in WR Browns footsteps. Only thing that makes sense
Yup I posted that above - I suspect this was a preemptive move, before he boxed them in a corner like AB did to the Steelers
...in the Third Round?
Which fucking one is it?
Last pick in the round.
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...their 80th or 95th???
If the latter, than just DG can just go F himself.
95
Ugh... thanks for update. Now I feel it's just more salt in the wound!
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We now have:
1. another 1st round pick
2. Peppers to play safety and return punt
3. $16M in additional cap (minus Peppers hit) which should get the team a decent RT and more
4. A new 3rd round pick
They don't gain cap space.
* OBJ was all-world, but they won exactly zero playoff games with him
* Cap space + picks = better in the trenches. That's the way to build a solid football team. Let's say with OBJ it would take 2 more years to be a playoff team...he's 2 years older and who knows if he doesn't get frustrated by then
* Maybe the Giants are more concerned about his injury(s) than they are letting on
Your friend is an idiot.
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If you are going to trade Beckham, you got to receive more than a #1, late #3, and a player in return.
WTF?
that's not the market for these players with big contracts.. AB went for peanuts, and he is provably better than Beckham.
They knew the risk of signing him to that big contract. Took big risk and the reward never came. Time to move on. We can win without him and the sideshows.
Honestly, I wouldn't at all be shocked if they do that at this point.
We are the laughingstock of the NFL.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
so you now agree the Giants seem rudderless...
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...in the Third Round?
Which fucking one is it?
Last pick in the round.
Oh, well... I'm going to start drinking. Heavily.
WTF?
Plain explanation? They're idiots that don't have a plan or a clue.
People will argue otherwise, but they'd just be putting up a homer defense. The rest of the NFL is laughing at the Giants, and have been for quite some time.
The easy thing here? No need for any Giants merchandise, no need for Giants tickets. Mara can take all that and shove it.
I just...I can't believe what I'm watching.
Calling that guy an asshat is an unjustified promotion.
It was complete hearsay. He assumed that was the case then didn't understand how injuries work.
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They knew the risk of signing him to that big contract. Took big risk and the reward never came.
What fucking nonsense is this.
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Cleveland seems like they have a plan and know what they're doing right now - not sure about us.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
so you now agree the Giants seem rudderless...
If Eli is still here this year, yes.
I said several times that if Beckham is moved for less than a huge haul, I will officially be lost on what Gettleman is doing.
Eli has to be cut now.
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Draft Def and WR with our 2 first rounds?
Honestly, I wouldn't at all be shocked if they do that at this point.
How about #17 for Rosen?
jt said it, and I do think there was a lot to it that the Giants thought he shut it down and he was mad how they were questioning him. But the thought was he was going to get traded next year.
I wonder if the Collins move leaving is what set Odell off and forced this trade.
It's even worse when you consider that we got a LATE third -- not a mid third!!!
Who is the #1 WR next year? You can't get away with Shepard and Engram as your top receiving threats. They just aren't good enough or consistent enough. God forbid Barkley goes down with an injury, the offense won't move the ball at all. They had a chance to have something really special offensively with Barkley and Beckham and they give up on it after one season? One year after signing Beckham to a huge contract? Right after adding a great RG in Zeitler and then hopefully Williams at RT? What a joke.
The only thing that salvages this trade is if they hit an absolute homerun with that first rounder or if Peppers somehow turns into a franchise type of player on defense. Both things are extremely unlikely though.
This is going to piss the fans off far more than benching Eli did.
That's one thing I'm afraid of... that the key to this trade is how they've evaluated Peppers. Perhaps they felt Peppers of all people swung the trade from kind they apparently laughed it to one they'd accept.
We get Peppers at a bargain for a couple of years. What about Beckhams cash? Can we use it now?
It was odd he sat out multiple games for a "bruise".
They are going to win 5 more games with Eli playing QB because it's the family business.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Pretty much my thoughts to a T.
Looks like they weren't willing, the other fact is he's out of the division.
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Cleveland seems like they have a plan and know what they're doing right now - not sure about us.
They better be planning on cutting Eli now, otherwise I officially have no idea what's going on here.
It could wind up being the right football move. But I have to see what they do with the QB spot now - because if they're going to move Beckham, they can't turn around and say they want to win games this year. We now have what is likely the worst WR group in the league - or close.
Wasn't against trading him - but the return isn't what I wanted to see.
Oh well - it's done. The rumors were fucking exhausting.
so you now agree the Giants seem rudderless...
If Eli is still here this year, yes.
I said several times that if Beckham is moved for less than a huge haul, I will officially be lost on what Gettleman is doing.
Eli has to be cut now.
I mean if they keep Eli it is beyond rudderless and it is even worse than i thought. complete malpractice. they will start losing fans to the jets.
jmo
It's possible that all things being equal they preferred to trade him to an AFC team.
If you trust that wide receivers can be found in later rounds and on the scrap heap, maybe its a worthwhile trade. Of course, the same can be said about RBs...
Remind me to never take Dave to a Moroccan Bazaar. Stupid old dinosaur
They came in the door talking about winning and walked backwards into two pointless seasons.
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No reason to even keep Eli now.
And why would Eli even want to stay now?
Oh, please. They went about all of this the wrong way, and it started with their handling of Eli. Fuck what he wants at this point.
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Thought theyd get more for him. Is Peppers anything in the NFL?
That's one thing I'm afraid of... that the key to this trade is how they've evaluated Peppers. Perhaps they felt Peppers of all people swung the trade from kind they apparently laughed it to one they'd accept.
Only thing that makes sense from a football standpoint. Perhaps they really wanted Buchanan for Bettcher and this is the alternative. Of course I am not sure football has anything to do with it. Gettleman is obsessed with "winning culture" and getting rid of anybody Reese brought in not necessarily in that order.
jt - this jibes with your info re that. Keep any info coming!
If Eli is kept, enjoy watching Eli throw his last passes as Giants QB to his new #1 WR....Sterling Sheppard.
Lmao. Well deserved.
How about #17 for Rosen?
I would love this move.
jt, do you think something blew up in the last week or so to force Gettleman's hand and trade him? The Collins signing or the way the AB situation went down? I was on your wavelength thinking they were going to keep him this year and trade him after the season.
I'm looking forward to the Eli-crowd going from "he has no time" to "he has no weapons". Going to be a very very long season.
Looks like Cleveland is about to become party central!
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...for a deal to happen.
17, 95 and Peppers is getting blown away?
No fucking way!
I can't believe that they settled for a 1 & 3 with Peppers for Beckham. It speaks volumes to how much Shurmur felt undermined by OBJ.
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Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
If Eli is kept, enjoy watching Eli throw his last passes as Giants QB to his new #1 WR....Sterling Sheppard.
Lmao. Well deserved.
Dave... it is still early. The season does not start tomorrow. We will have a different #1 WR on this team. All of the moves have not been made yet.
I mentioned earlier that we need to see who the Giants replace OBJ with now.
You love Peppers, and you're not upset by the trade.
So either you're Gettleman, a Cleveland Browns fan, or plain ole dumb.
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is in next year's draft. They will spend the next two years fortifying the line and defense but putting themselves in the position to grab Eli's successor.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Pretty much my thoughts to a T.
He is young, was a #25 pick and does fill a need. He is essentially the second first round pick.
Yeah, they'll be good. Plus they have Baker cost controlled for 4 more years. They will have a shot at a run.
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Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
You love Peppers, and you're not upset by the trade.
So either you're Gettleman, a Cleveland Browns fan, or plain ole dumb.
Lol
They have to entertain us somehow.
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is in next year's draft. They will spend the next two years fortifying the line and defense but putting themselves in the position to grab Eli's successor.
I don't like the compensation, but have to assume that is the market. If there was a better trade, they would have made that.
Love OBJ and I am bummed about this, but there is a reason that we aren't seeing.
Pretty much my thoughts to a T.
I've told the story many times on BBI of my interview with ex-Giant Jamie Williams, whom the Giants cut because they thought he was mixed up with drugs. (They kept the TE who was involved in some bad stuff: Malcolm Scott.) My conclusion then and now remains: These moves get made for reasons we fans have no idea about -- and sometimes those reasons are bullshit.
that photo of the woman and the coke mirror?
He is young, was a #25 pick and does fill a need. He is essentially the second first round pick.
He's nothing special whatsoever.
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No reason to even keep Eli now.
And why would Eli even want to stay now?
Maybe because the dagger was just removed from his back?
He is young, was a #25 pick and does fill a need. He is essentially the second first round pick.
He's a player without a real identity. It's not like they just acquired Eric Berry.
Hopefully Lawrence will turn pro after his junior year....
If you were even going to consider trading Odell, a first rounder next year at least was a must to get ammo for Tua or Fromm. JFC.
Cheap and pedestrian - just the way Dave Gettleman likes 'em
I think this is overpaying for the QB. A second rounder would be more like it
Just avoid Haskins and we're all good.
A once proud franchise has turned into a joke, just like the Knicks
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Shurmer pushed to keep him but he was pissed at Odell for not playing at end of year. Gettleman never liked him. I actually love peppers. Im not upset by trade. Call me crazy
If Eli is kept, enjoy watching Eli throw his last passes as Giants QB to his new #1 WR....Sterling Sheppard.
Lmao. Well deserved.
Dave... it is still early. The season does not start tomorrow. We will have a different #1 WR on this team. All of the moves have not been made yet.
I mentioned earlier that we need to see who the Giants replace OBJ with now.
Who are the great FA WRs left? They're certainly not drafting one high in the draft.
Wake up.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
He is young, was a #25 pick and does fill a need. He is essentially the second first round pick.
LOL stop, he is a mediocre player halfway through his rookie contract, at a meaningless position for a rebuilding team currently built around a RUNNING BACK.
This doesnt make it "Eli's fault" it just doesn't make sense to keep a 38 year old at this point.
It's also going to be interesting to see what happens when opposing defenses are stacking the box because the Giants have no weapons and an aging immobile QB.
I'm not one to cry that the sky is falling, but Giants fans cried over dinner and threw temper tantrums when Eli was benched for one game. Now would be a much more appropriate time to express their outrage.
with the 6th pick you get and ER
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would trade #17 for Rosen, but I think the Giants will take Lock at #6.
I think this is overpaying for the QB. A second rounder would be more like it
I think it's overpaying, but Lock won't make it to pick #37.
Beckham's alleged "antics" must have factored into the decision to trade him. The return is grossly insufficient.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
It doesn't matter. They're not going anywhere in 2019. They've done nothing but add one offensive linemen, and completely tear down the defense that was already 27th.
Most important of all, OBJ may very well be the best WR in the league and one of the best all time. This is not a sweet enough deal, in my opinion.
I am also not optimistic about a rebuild at this point. There is not a good enough QB in this draft to be excited about. There is not a WR in this draft who can approach what we have in OBJ. So, now we have a somewhat improved OL with only Barkely to contend with (Engram is a lot less of a threat with no OBJ) and still a ton of holes on the D. This moves probably makes it more likely they take a QB knowing they have another 1st rounder and I think that will piss me off.
Gettleman spent in excess of 100M dollars for less than a season of OBJ, the back end of Solder's career, Kareem Martin, and a bunch of no ones.
An organization had never misread a situation as poorly as the Giants did with Beckham.
Even coming off a broken leg the Giants could have gotten the same type of compensation last year, and not eaten the money with the new contract.
OBJ basically forced his team to trade him. He wanted out and DG got the best he could for his disgruntled star WR.
Maybe the Giants knew that OBJ was milking his late season injury.
None of us knows the whole story...yet.
Were now starting from complete scratch and now the offense is hurt.
Who is our 38 year old geriatric 24 million dollar fucking QB going to throw the ball to genius?
Roll the dice on a young cost controlled QB or this is just fucking stupid.
i cannot believe this....
the browns will go on to win the super bowl. we will be picking #1
Now he gets a chance to play with his best friend and be a part of a team that is further along than the Giants. Good luck to him - despite all of the issues, the Giants have never had a better receiver. As someone who was there to see "the catch" live in 2014, I will always remember the excitement and talent that OBJ brought to our franchise...
But this is now Saquon's team - a team built on character, courage and a true team discipline that is built for one and only one thing -- to win NFL championships! And this is the moment we can look back upon as the true turning point. Thank you David Gettleman!
Now go get Daryl Williams, Montez Sweat and DK Metcalf!!! :)
I had forgotten all about the Rosen thing. Yeah, the #17 for Rosen is not a bad move at all now.
Ruined my offseason for sure. And I dont want friggen Rosen. I see zero hunger in that guy.
No deep threat, Saquon smothered by 8 man fronts. AGAIN via injury and now this, the Giants just cant have a bigtime wideout for more than 4 years and less than 64 games for sure.
It has to do with a team that clearly isn't going to be competitive paying a 38 year old QB a league high salary
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And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Who is our 38 year old geriatric 24 million dollar fucking QB going to throw the ball to genius?
Roll the dice on a young cost controlled QB or this is just fucking stupid.
Dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
He needs WR's.
Who was here when we won Super Bowls?
Plaxico Burress, Amani Toomer, Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Mario Manningham.
You think Eli Manning, at this point in his career, is going to win games with Shepard as his WR1?
Even the biggest, most ardent supporters of Eli cannot believe this, can they?
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OBJ basically forced his team to trade him. He wanted out and DG got the best he could for his disgruntled star WR.
Maybe the Giants knew that OBJ was milking his late season injury.
None of us knows the whole story...yet.
I concur. There's more to this story, still to be written.
I wonder if there is more to come, meaning, before the draft.....
The hell is this nonsense?
I told you. Done Deal.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Pay $5 million odd and get Bridgwater. He's shit but you're not going anywhere this season so you go nowhere with the cheaper option. And yes in this market $5 million probably gets you Bridgwater there's no other viable starting spots other than maybe Miami.
There is absolutely no reason other than sentiment to pay Eli Manning $17 million. None. Nada. Zilch.
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There isn't a defense is football that will be remotely afraid of this popgun passing game.
I'm looking forward to the Eli-crowd going from "he has no time" to "he has no weapons". Going to be a very very long season.
I dont know if its an excuse, it its a truism. We have no WRs as it stands. Something about a QB to completing passes to nobody should draw your sympathy more than your ire.
And, it would compound the stupidity with more stupidity to trade for either Rosen or move up for Haskins. Weve created more holes, not fewer and it would be beyond moronic to use the only putty you have to fill them in trade.
Besides, we look like were in full on tank mode now so top 2-5 in the 2020 draft looks like a guarantee.
Don't know that the Giants like Rosen that much, though.
I loved OBJ and did not want this to happen, but the team wasn't going anywhere and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy with the patience to be part of a rebuilding process. But Ick.
with the 6th pick you get and ER
2nd rd Wr
LMFAO. Whatever gets you to sleep at night pal.
OBJ basically forced his team to trade him. He wanted out and DG got the best he could for his disgruntled star WR.
Maybe the Giants knew that OBJ was milking his late season injury.
None of us knows the whole story...yet.
This!
It's not an attack on him as a person it's an attack on him as an asset that no longer makes sense.
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With Eli? He needs solid protection. Not Odell.
It has to do with a team that clearly isn't going to be competitive paying a 38 year old QB a league high salary
Theyre getting more picks to fill holes. I liked Odell, but it was clear this was a bad marriage. Again, no,idea what this has to do with Eli and why some feel the need to say he should be cut now just because Odell is gone
Rookie head coach? Good luck!!!!!
Dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
They went 1-3, including a loss where they scored 0 points.
Other than that, great!
Until now.
Doesnt make much sense to keep him now.
I mean the fact he could negotiate their fucking 1st 3rd round pick is a sacking offense by itself.
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would trade #17 for Rosen, but I think the Giants will take Lock at #6.
I think this is overpaying for the QB. A second rounder would be more like it
I think it's overpaying, but Lock won't make it to pick #37.
Beckham's alleged "antics" must have factored into the decision to trade him. The return is grossly insufficient.
Ross shouldn't be on any network talking football...Fuck him and the job he did ruining this team.
Poor bastard. Dude is here to protect a 38 year old QB with no WRs. LMAO.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
It's a talent deficient team who has traded a HOF caliber player for a mid round 1st, the last pick in the 3rd round and a so-so tweener safety. They have absolutely no business paying a 38 year old QB $17 million for one year regardless of how good a citizen he is.
Move on, reset.
And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Pay $5 million odd and get Bridgwater. He's shit but you're not going anywhere this season so you go nowhere with the cheaper option. And yes in this market $5 million probably gets you Bridgwater there's no other viable starting spots other than maybe Miami.
There is absolutely no reason other than sentiment to pay Eli Manning $17 million. None. Nada. Zilch.
Bridgwater already resigned with the Saints. Too late.
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playing anywhere you put him. with the 17 th pick you get your RT. Line fixed.
what are you 12 years old ?
with the 6th pick you get and ER
2nd rd Wr
LMFAO. Whatever gets you to sleep at night pal.
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dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
It's not an attack on him as a person it's an attack on him as an asset that no longer makes sense.
If Gettleman continues to rebuild the Oline and strengthen the defense, Eli remains a strong asset.
GTFO of here. Have you seen Eli's stats when targeting Odell vs. anyone else in his career?
#2 Gives Solder an absurd overrated contract.
#3 Trading OBJ, a future HOF talent, is the final straw for me. I absolutely hate this GM and everything he has done.
He is an AWFUL AWFUL GM....I have hated every single move he has made!!
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dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
It's not an attack on him as a person it's an attack on him as an asset that no longer makes sense.
If Gettleman continues to rebuild the Oline and strengthen the defense, Eli remains a strong asset.
He's not even an asset now.
This is the key factor NOBODY is talking about yet.
Either way, New England doesnt tolerate me first players, and neither should we.
Whos a rookie going to throw it to...genius. Eli was NOT the problem with the Giants. It was the OL and defense.
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And who is going to play QB genius? Lauletta? Tanney?
Who is our 38 year old geriatric 24 million dollar fucking QB going to throw the ball to genius?
Roll the dice on a young cost controlled QB or this is just fucking stupid.
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would trade #17 for Rosen, but I think the Giants will take Lock at #6.
I think this is overpaying for the QB. A second rounder would be more like it
I think it's overpaying, but Lock won't make it to pick #37.
Beckham's alleged "antics" must have factored into the decision to trade him. The return is grossly insufficient.
I would try to trade the 2nd rounder first for Rosen
I would as well, but I think it's moot because the Giants apparently aren't interested.
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Lol
I told you. Done Deal.
Lmao
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Dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
They went 1-3, including a loss where they scored 0 points.
Other than that, great!
I watched the games and the offense played well without him with a patchwork Oline.
This is not a good return. I have no idea how anyone says otherwise.
#2 Gives Solder an absurd overrated contract.
#3 Trading OBJ, a future HOF talent, is the final straw for me. I absolutely hate this GM and everything he has done.
He is an AWFUL AWFUL GM....I have hated every single move he has made!!
Let Collins walk for nothing.
Paid 15 million for shitty ass Kareem Martin
Paid 15 mil for a cast off offensive lineman from Jacksonville who got cut weeks later
I'm one.
And now, he totally undermines any semblance of a passing game we might have had????????
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In comment 14328367 Dave in Hoboken said:
The haul, hey 1st, 3rd and starting Safety and Kick returner is a pretty deal. For all of you arguing about draft picks, many of you are always quick to point out draft picks are busts more often than not. To me we get picks to fortify the lines, a S who is young and can play physical (a bigger version of Honeybadger) for Betchers defense and a chance to put the franchise face on #26.
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If you are going to trade Beckham, you got to receive more than a #1, late #3, and a player in return.
WTF?
that's not the market for these players with big contracts.. AB went for peanuts, and he is provably better than Beckham.
They knew the risk of signing him to that big contract. Took big risk and the reward never came. Time to move on. We can win without him and the sideshows.
The reward never came? One year after re-signing him The giants gained 3 chips in return for Beckham. If they let him walk theyd have gotten jack squat for him.
I like this trade more and more. And Eli isnt going anywhere this season. Why would this trade facilitate a qb move?
I loved Beckham. Still do. He will go to the HOF. Let him. This is a good deal for the giants. Sell high. They got enough back. They shopped the guy all offseason for a reason. By shopped I mean they listened.
Turn the picks into players. Get the most out of peppers and lets fix the D. We were never ever ever going to get more for Beckham after today. And you guys know damn well Beckham could have gone full crazy eventually and then the giants have to trade Beckham from a position of weakness like the Steelers. Pitt got nothing for brown because they had no choice they had to trade him. Giants had a choice.
No one defended Beckham more than me these years and I still love him as a player but the giants needed a 3 for one deal. Now they need to make it work. Thats the key. Nail this pick(s)
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With Eli? He needs solid protection. Not Odell.
GTFO of here. Have you seen Eli's stats when targeting Odell vs. anyone else in his career?
Eli and Odell played well together. Eli played as good or better and won bigger with other receivers. I really could care less about their stats
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chance of falling into the situation that Pittsburgh was in where they had to trade Brown and got much less in return.
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And now, he totally undermines any semblance of a passing game we might have had????????
There's still time to run that 3TE offense!
This is the key factor NOBODY is talking about yet.
I think theyd like him a lot more if could catch.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
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Dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
They went 1-3, including a loss where they scored 0 points.
Other than that, great!
I watched the games and the offense played well without him with a patchwork Oline.
Sure they did.
You take arguably the most dynamic offensive player in the league, our only legitimate WR on the roster, and you trade him for a safety I've never heard of, who I'm going to give the benefit of doubt that's he's at least of starter quality in the NFL and can hopefully cover a receiving TE.
But then we only get ONE FIRST ROUNDER, at 17 of all places. No premium picks next year. And to top it all off, the shittier of the Brown's two picks in the third?
Do the Browns have video of Mara of Gettleman snorting crack or putting any number of male anatomical organs into their mouth or ass?
Possibly the worst trade in recent NFL history and I'm dumbfounded. Out of all the moves the NYG have made in my 20 plus years as a fan, this is by far the most puzzling.
Even if DG was on board with this, how did he convince any of the NYG coaches and ownership to take such shit value? Please.
Someone, please put a positive spin on this because I can't read all of these pages of replies in such a pissed off mood. It's pretty sad when the best move of free agency for the Eagles, Cowboys, and Redskins involves the NYG making a trade with the Browns.
I guess load up on defensive talent in the draft, throw Eli out there until he gets beat to shit and is forced to medically retire, and then draft the top QB in 2020 for a three year rebuild? It will be hilarious watching Eli throwing to CFL WR's this year.
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In comment 14328325 BBelle21 said:
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Dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
They went 1-3, including a loss where they scored 0 points.
Other than that, great!
I watched the games and the offense played well without him with a patchwork Oline.
Sure they did.
They sure did. But dont expect anyone to remember the good
So with no Beckham now, I hope that doesnt mean theyre open to drafting the QB this year?
Well, despite my already-low opinion of Gettleman, I assumed he wasn't so fucking stupid as to make a weakass deal like this. Considered me corrected.
Sad but true.
Kudos to DG for seeing it.
Whos a rookie going to throw it to...genius. Eli was NOT the problem with the Giants. It was the OL and defense
Well the rookie won't be getting 24 million dollars now will he?
That's why I said "cost controlled". Good try though.
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Dont understand the attacks on Eli either. And he offense played well without Odell last season. They did gasp win without him.
They went 1-3, including a loss where they scored 0 points.
Other than that, great!
I watched the games and the offense played well without him with a patchwork Oline.
Sure they did.
They sure did. But dont expect anyone to remember the good
What was the good?
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
Hard to judge this move in isolation. If it's part of a full tear-down, trading Beckham is probably the right move. Price seems a little low. I guess the market is what it is.
Sad but true.
Kudos to DG for seeing it.
Yeah, Reese shouldn't have extended Beckham last year.
Frankly, I can't believe how good the comp is. Just outstanding.
Next stop...adios Eli.
Championship team, doubt it. But, right tackle spot and getting pass rush thru the draft would have filled the major holes from last year.
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With Eli? He needs solid protection. Not Odell.
It has to do with a team that clearly isn't going to be competitive paying a 38 year old QB a league high salary
Theyre getting more picks to fill holes. I liked Odell, but it was clear this was a bad marriage. Again, no,idea what this has to do with Eli and why some feel the need to say he should be cut now just because Odell is gone
-Team hasn't won with Eli in years -
-Huge cap hit which can be re-allocated or carried over
-The Giants simply HAVE to get a new QB next year anyone. Better a year to early then a year to late (Bellichek has perfected this).
So it's not like you HAVE to get rid of Manning, but for the long term good of the franchise, what is the sense of keeping him? And keep in mind what Archie Manning said at the end of the year. Archie said the team needs to be a winning team. How would Archie and Eli process this move?
Keep fucking Eli and.... whatever. GO PACK GO!!!
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
The fact that Eli doesn't have a contract past december forces their hand in the draft.
the 2019 season doesn't mean anything. They can get anyone to start at QB.
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GTFO of here. Have you seen Eli's stats when targeting Odell vs. anyone else in his career?
Eli and Odell played well together. Eli played as good or better and won bigger with other receivers. I really could care less about their stats
Yeah, Eli won with lesser receivers in his prime. Odell helped extend Eli's career. It blows my mind that you continue you to view him as the same player he was 8 years ago.
Also, Plax, Toomer, Cruz and Nicks were good receivers. Now he is washed up and has a decent slot receiver and a tweener tight end with mediocre hands. Good luck Eli.
God, youre an idiot. Im ok with dealing Odell for the right price, but this isnt the right price. Jabril Peppers fucking blows. Covers like LC with the added benefit of not being able to tackle. And they didnt even get the better of Browns 3rd rounders. Ugh.
Also A high quality OL piece or two.
And you guys have just to wait -one season- for your two big offense moves.
One season.
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
The reason for it is there is a bonus due to Eli on 3/17. If the Giants are going to go nowhere this year (and they aren't), I'd rather get a jump on finding the new QB. And it might not force your hand if you trade a 2nd rounder for Rosen (which is probably a fair trade). Get a year with Rosen, see if he's worth keeping. He's cheap, he's talented, and the Giants aren't going anywhere anyway. If he busts, you go all in for a 2020 QB. But keeping Eli this year literally does nothing but give him a farewell tour.
I believe that this may be a good move, let's see what happens.
Probably wanted more of it guaranteed
This is the key factor NOBODY is talking about yet.
Surely he played better than what we expected, but this guy is straight line speed with not the greatest hands. Just can't get excited about him, and the thought of him as a key factor just doesn't equate IMO.
Also A high quality OL piece or two.
And you guys have just to wait -one season- for your two big offense moves.
One season.
They could have done this a year ago.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
Fuck you DG.
This to a teeeeeeeee!!!
Getts has really done a horrible job since..cutting a bad fa last season in mid season. Etc..
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NFL network just reported Odell wanted more money after ab deal.
Probably wanted more of it guaranteed
Seeing what all these free agents are signing for made him think he wants more $$$$$. I guess he's never satisfied.
LOL - damage control by NYG FO. Probably gonna be more dirt coming out on OBJ because they're getting absolutely killed on this one.
I hate to lose his talent; but unless you can answer the above question, hold the bitchin'!
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
Or after he saw the other WR contracts.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
Peppers isn't a thing.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
Only an idiot like you would say the LAST pick in the 3rd round Im a shittt draft is a solid pick.
Gettleman spent in excess of 100M dollars for less than a season of OBJ, the back end of Solder's career, Kareem Martin, and a bunch of no ones.
An organization had never misread a situation as poorly as the Giants did with Beckham.
Even coming off a broken leg the Giants could have gotten the same type of compensation last year, and not eaten the money with the new contract.
Youre reaching. Who the hell cares about Kareem martin being a below average starter making meh starter money. Omg were doomed forever because Kareem Martin makes vet money. Lets just ignore roster building from here out? Whats the point ? One so so bad contract doesnt stop what needs to be done. Dont sign a left tackle? Solder isnt bad.
Again, you guys wanted a rebuild and got one. Some of you expected way too much return for Beckham. I saw the posts all week you would think the giants were trading a franchise qb in his prime with some of you expecting 3-4 first round picks. We basically got 2 prime assets and a 3rd. Thats not bad. Let Beckham dominate for the browns. Hes a terrific player. We can still make out here with the extra draft capital.
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It wasnt just Terps who wanted OBJ gone.
I also dont get the whole Eli must be cut now crowd. Why? That forces your hand in the draft. And the savings are there in 2020 when he comes off of the books.
I suspect OBJ not playing at the end of the season was a bigger deal than most realized.
The reason for it is there is a bonus due to Eli on 3/17. If the Giants are going to go nowhere this year (and they aren't), I'd rather get a jump on finding the new QB. And it might not force your hand if you trade a 2nd rounder for Rosen (which is probably a fair trade). Get a year with Rosen, see if he's worth keeping. He's cheap, he's talented, and the Giants aren't going anywhere anyway. If he busts, you go all in for a 2020 QB. But keeping Eli this year literally does nothing but give him a farewell tour.
Totally 100% agree.
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
If they trade up for Haskins they are stupid. No team ahead of us is taking him. Its highly likely if we pass on him at 6 he could slip into the 20s.
If Eli is the quarterback this year -- you'll be able to live the negative attention in real time as he exits his career on 3 straight last place teams.
Seems to me that they are looking to push the DL, OL and LBs over the top, majorly emphasis, and address the 'talent' next year.
We have a haul right now, even after the guard get.
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When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
If thats the case, then the strategic thing to do is to go with Lauletta. They would get dreck this year at the cost of giving up usable assets to build a whole roster. The QB payoff in 2020 is logarithmically higher and were setting the ducks up so that we wouldnt even need to trade to move up to snag one of the big 3 (or 4).
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
It's hard to think of two people in the NFL whose opinions carry less weight than Pat Shurmur's loser ass and Doddering Dave.
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. Whats wrong with that?
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Clearly the Giants ownership is on board with this -- but when the dust settles, history will treat last offseason as one of the real disasters for the New York Giants.
Gettleman spent in excess of 100M dollars for less than a season of OBJ, the back end of Solder's career, Kareem Martin, and a bunch of no ones.
An organization had never misread a situation as poorly as the Giants did with Beckham.
Even coming off a broken leg the Giants could have gotten the same type of compensation last year, and not eaten the money with the new contract.
Youre reaching. Who the hell cares about Kareem martin being a below average starter making meh starter money. Omg were doomed forever because Kareem Martin makes vet money. Lets just ignore roster building from here out? Whats the point ? One so so bad contract doesnt stop what needs to be done. Dont sign a left tackle? Solder isnt bad.
Again, you guys wanted a rebuild and got one. Some of you expected way too much return for Beckham. I saw the posts all week you would think the giants were trading a franchise qb in his prime with some of you expecting 3-4 first round picks. We basically got 2 prime assets and a 3rd. Thats not bad. Let Beckham dominate for the browns. Hes a terrific player. We can still make out here with the extra draft capital.
Do you think Dave Gettleman had a good offseason in UFA last season?
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NFL network just reported Odell wanted more money after ab deal.
Probably wanted more of it guaranteed
He's the Browns problem now. I'm stoked to get Peppers.
Return to your rants. I can't wait to see the draft haul. If they pick anywhere near last years success, the Giants will be turned around quickly, while the Browns will be a side show.
Love Peppers!
Sure seems to me like management is using everything at their disposal to build the roster.
Frankly, I can't believe how good the comp is. Just outstanding.
Next stop...adios Eli.
Youre reflexive contrarianism seems to also be couple to an inability to determine value.
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1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
It's hard to think of two people in the NFL whose opinions carry less weight than Pat Shurmur's loser ass and Doddering Dave.
Once again Papa blindly agrees with anything the Giants do.
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We got another 1st in great draft with defense.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
Peppers isn't a thing.
LMFAO. fleeced the browns? YOU ARE LITERALLY THE ONLY MORON ON EARTH SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING TWAT
Seems to me that they are looking to push the DL, OL and LBs over the top, majorly emphasis, and address the 'talent' next year.
We have a haul right now, even after the guard get.
Any win in 2019 also makes it more expensive to use pieces toward a QB, when the entire league knows you need and want a QB.
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We got another 1st in great draft with defense.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
What's wrong with the 17th pick in this draft? A draft loaded with excellent prospects on both sides of the line. This draft is sooooo deep with defense that you could not draft any offensive players in round one and STILL get an excellent defensive prospect. And now we have two first round picks in this same draft. Or you kidding me?
Also, Plax, Toomer, Cruz and Nicks were good receivers. Now he is washed up and has a decent slot receiver and a tweener tight end with mediocre hands. Good luck Eli. [/quote]
I am now and will always be adamant that Eli needs protection. Not cosmetics. He has a run game now and Gettleman is fixing the Oline. Its clear the franchise has transitioned away from Odell and toward Barkley, post Eli. Barkley and an Oline will be a young QBs best friend once Eli retires. My feeling is that Eli will be here a couple of more years and that he himself has lost NOTHING significant in his game.
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We got another 1st in great draft with defense.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
What's wrong with the 17th pick in this draft? A draft loaded with excellent prospects on both sides of the line. This draft is sooooo deep with defense that you could not draft any offensive players in round one and STILL get an excellent defensive prospect. And now we have two first round picks in this same draft. Or you kidding me?
There's nothing wrong per se with the 17th pick. There is when it's the best pick, and only first round pick, we just got for one of the best players in the league at 25 years old.
Golden Tate is trash, Tyrell Williams I like a lot. He is a playmaker
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95, not 64.
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Have to give Gettleman credit here. Smart move to get younger and change this toxic culture.
Frankly, I can't believe how good the comp is. Just outstanding.
Next stop...adios Eli.
Youre reflexive contrarianism seems to also be couple to an inability to determine value.
There is real world value than there is BBI value. Undoubtedly, the latter is fantasy land.
I am now and will always be adamant that Eli needs protection. Not cosmetics. He has a run game now and Gettleman is fixing the Oline. Its clear the franchise has transitioned away from Odell and toward Barkley, post Eli. Barkley and an Oline will be a young QBs best friend once Eli retires. My feeling is that Eli will be here a couple of more years and that he himself has lost NOTHING significant in his game.
Go to bed, Olivia
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
Thank you for sharing this
On the surface OBJ appeared like a good dude but there is no doubt it was all about him. When Barkley was drafted and became the star last year OBJ was done. He was not THE guy anymore. Also I wonder if he lost step as to me last year I did not see that special explosiveness he showed in year 1 and 2.....it was that or he was dogging it for business reasons.
I am ok with the trade, would really be ok if we got a #1 in 2020 also as I believe that was key to this and the rebuild. I think DG blew that.
The plan is to build the OL and I am sure draft heavy on D to be younger and faster. The issue and piece that is still missing is the QB. DG better not F it up. Everything is contingent on it.
OBJ is just another Diva Me head case just like AB. Teams and locker rooms are better off without them.
Our owner didnt have to come out and insult him this year to pour fuel on that fire. All these leaks about thinking he quits not liking his chracter. All of that is just shooting yourself in the foot.
You think that? Great. Stay silent and trade him.
This is the key factor NOBODY is talking about yet.
To be fair, why would anyone talk about Corey freaking Coleman?
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I'm thinking a dramatic attack on the draft market for defenders. DL and LBs. Dramatic.
Also A high quality OL piece or two.
And you guys have just to wait -one season- for your two big offense moves.
One season.
They could have done this a year ago.
That's wasn't "reported". I was watching NFL Network - it was suggested* by Rappaport that Beckham could use the trade to leverage The Browns in to increasing his guaranteed money just as Antonio Brown did. There's no indication that he asked the Giants for more money.
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. Whats wrong with that?
This is exactly the point - Giants handled this situation perfectly. Unlike the Steelers who look like bumbling idiots right now... And now we are learning that Odell wanted more money again after the AB trade? Good gracious... and good riddance...
And good for David Gettleman for having the courage to do this...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
No "I" in team - that's the level of sophistication our front office is working on. God help us.
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I am now and will always be adamant that Eli needs protection. Not cosmetics. He has a run game now and Gettleman is fixing the Oline. Its clear the franchise has transitioned away from Odell and toward Barkley, post Eli. Barkley and an Oline will be a young QBs best friend once Eli retires. My feeling is that Eli will be here a couple of more years and that he himself has lost NOTHING significant in his game.
Go to bed, Olivia [/quote
Then turn off the lights and can it
87 Sterling Shepard WR 5-10 201 26
19 Corey Coleman WR 5-11 185 25
80 Jawill Davis WR 6-0 193 24
15 Quadree Henderson WR 5-8 192 23
84 Alonzo Russell WR 6-3 206 27
?? Brittan Golden WR 5-11 186 31
Besides our slot reciever Shepard, ... yea I got nothing to add.
Maybe Coleman moves up to the 1.
Season ticket holder pissed right here.
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the more I think about this, the Giants looked at the 2019 season and realized they aren't going to compete this year.
When you look at Odell, his recent injury history, and the AB situation/haul, it would appear Gettleman and Mara decided it was time to pull the trigger a year too early, instead of a year too late. Maybe all the SF rumors were to get the "best" deal out of Cleveland.
But honestly, if the Giants are going to go into 2019, realizing that this is the year to reset all of it, they can't keep Eli. You must get something out of this year. Either by trading for Rosen or drafting a QB and starting him. The "Kansas City model" works when you are a playoff team looking to continue a run on the fly. This is a double digit loss team. I just hope they aren't packaging those picks to move up to get Haskins, but I have a sick feeling that's what they are going to do. Trotting Eli out there right now is delaying the whole point. If you are going to nuke this thing, then blow it all up and hand the keys to a new QB and Saquon.
If thats the case, then the strategic thing to do is to go with Lauletta. They would get dreck this year at the cost of giving up usable assets to build a whole roster. The QB payoff in 2020 is logarithmically higher and were setting the ducks up so that we wouldnt even need to trade to move up to snag one of the big 3 (or 4).
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I'm thinking a dramatic attack on the draft market for defenders. DL and LBs. Dramatic.
Also A high quality OL piece or two.
And you guys have just to wait -one season- for your two big offense moves.
One season.
They could have done this a year ago.
A year ago he was in his contract year. If you don't like today's trade, it would have been worse.
If the goal was always to tear everything down anyway, what was the point?
And we would have wasted at least the first 2 years of Barkley's career in doing so.
Which they will be doing anyway.
Have we not all seen plenty of Russell Shepard and Corey Coleman? Sterling has had plenty of time as the default #1 WR thanks to injury.
Never build your team around an individual WR. Especially a WR with the diva gene that is also not physically large and has become injury prone (his fault or not). Don't flip out, this move will be best long term.
My favorite Beckham game was the one many revile him for. When he acted like a child and stopped doing his job to target the opposing CB in that 2015 Carolina game. He should have been tossed, and it was a sign of his wierd mental state. Thing is, Coughlin knew his ass was on the line and needed wins. He left Beckham in and if memory serves, Beckham fucking lit up the Panthers and the Giants roared back. Of course the defense blew it. That was a great performance though once he started doing his job again.
I do wish that one handed catch in a loss against Dallas never happened though. It launched him to stardom and to levels you should have to earn by actually winning. It just threw things off somehow.
Lowest moments, partying on a boat before the biggest game of hia career, running out shirtless in Green Bay like a fucking idiot prior to going out and shitting the bed in the game itself, and last season going on an interview and shitting on NY within a month of being paid 90 million. I am sure the owners loved that.
I support the move.
^^^^^
This
Always got the sense that Gettleman was targeting the 2020 QBs. There are so many holes on this roster thanks to Marc Ross and co.s incompetence.
No "I" in team - that's the level of sophistication our front office is working on. God help us.
Obviously that was just a simplification and is just an easy to understand way to say that they want players who put the team first. Teams that are not playing for each other, sacrificing for each other and are united in the locker room do not win too many championships.
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Trump is catering fast food for the team, Kate mara wants motherfucking double d's....and midget throwing is scheduled to begin at 10pm.
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We got another 1st in great draft with defense.
A young, promising, play-making defender in Peppers.
And a solid third round pick where you can always find talent.
Frankly, I think Gettleman fleeced the Browns.
It's from that we didn't get nearly enough. Even DG defenders such as FMiC has said the same thing.
I'm fine with trading Beckham. But one first round pick, and that being the 17th pick, is very, very disappointing.
What's wrong with the 17th pick in this draft? A draft loaded with excellent prospects on both sides of the line. This draft is sooooo deep with defense that you could not draft any offensive players in round one and STILL get an excellent defensive prospect. And now we have two first round picks in this same draft. Or you kidding me?
Oof.
You're *really* not going to feel well when we trade both those firsts to move up and get Haskins.
This year 4 million.
DG threw out both defensive edge rushers, as well as the League's best known one man run defense up the middle and the Giants' pass rush, which is second only to quarterback in cost.
It would have taken years to replace both the quarterback and the pass rush. DG, having created so many holes in the defense, and having not addressed QB last year, had no choice but to find a shortcut to finishing the roster.
Get used to even more losing.
Also he's been the guy the past few years and they have 1 playoff appearance and 0 wins to show for it.
He's a great player, but not vital to a winning team.
Cut Eli, rest Saquon, suck it up. Draft Tua, and have a real rebuild with Tua and Saquon at the help.
Beckham didn't want to be here and AB was a bad example.
Giants got some measure of revenge shipping him to Cleveland when Beckham wanted to be on the west coast.
Now the pressure is on Gettlemen to have a good draft and do something with the salary savings.
Browns will win a Superbowl with Baker and Odell... they might win a few Lombardi's...
Also he's been the guy the past few years and they have 1 playoff appearance and 0 wins to show for it.
He's a great player, but not vital to a winning team.
Cut Eli, rest Saquon, suck it up. Draft Tua, and have a real rebuild with Tua and Saquon at the help.
*helm
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
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What keeping Manning for a year does is it allows you to not use pieces towards QB...for one more year.
Seems to me that they are looking to push the DL, OL and LBs over the top, majorly emphasis, and address the 'talent' next year.
We have a haul right now, even after the guard get.
Any win in 2019 also makes it more expensive to use pieces toward a QB, when the entire league knows you need and want a QB.
There are a minimum of three qbs next year better than anything available this year (including Rosens hematoma). Even before the trade we were well-positioned to claim one of them. Now, were prettty much guaranteed that. It would be crazy to just give away assets that can bolster the team by filling more holes.
But...
then you add the issues..
Then you add that he has NEVER PLAYED A FULL SEASON.
Then you add that he openly doesn't want to be here and never did.
OBJ is a great player but he isnt LT, he isnt Jerry rice, he is an often injured head case
it's a good trade
...and maybe Draft another TE?
We've been a bad team for a while. If DG isn't desperate to change things, then I'm not sure what you want.
This is the rebuild people wanted. And of course it is desperation. If it wasn't, we'd be sitting on our hands and people would bitch about that too.
Browns will win a Superbowl with Baker and Odell... they might win a few Lombardi's...
Lmfao..
Same here. What has pissed me off was all of the bandaid moves over the years. Bullshit smoke and mirrors each off season to give the fans some false hope.
What is being lost in all of this is Odell did not want to play here anymore. He all but said it this off season after he signed his contract.
If that's a good investment, awesome.
If you don't think the Giants could have gotten this type of deal last offseason fair enough.
Good Safety
Got rid of that huge contract.
Got rid of the distraction.
Agree with me or not.... I am so happy!
They were thinking that they got a former first round draft pick in Peppers, a current year first pick and a current year third round pick for a guy who is about half as good as Antonio Brown, who by the way netted the Steelers only a current year third and a fifth two days ago... truly remarkable that Dorsey ante'd up this much value for the one person in the NFL who may be more of a diva than AB....
They also better significantly upgrade OC and RT. Zeitler was a good start in upgrading the OL, but they will need an exceptional OL to take support Barkley facing a loaded box every down.
Peppers: ultimate hybrid defender - ( New Window )
What an absolute trash return on the best offensive player this team has had since 19-fucking-25.
Future HOF receiver. 27. in his prime. for pick 17 (lol pugh 2.0 or whatever), a 3rd rounder, and a secondary player. Replace collins with jalen fucking ramsey and it's still a bad trade.
Fuck this team, what an awful trade. I texted my dad that we should sell our season tickets.
You wanted cap relief? Cut the corpse of eli. You needed a safety? tag landon collins and revisit next year.
gettleman is a fucking shitshow. fuck mara for hiring him, fuck gettleman for being so dumb.
OBJ, Nick Chubb, kareem hunt, baker, landry, and duke johnson jr out of the backfield. that browns offense is going to be humming.
If that's a good investment, awesome.
If you don't think the Giants could have gotten this type of deal last offseason fair enough.
DG threw out both defensive edge rushers, as well as the League's best known one man run defense up the middle and the Giants' pass rush, which is second only to quarterback in cost.
It would have taken years to replace both the quarterback and the pass rush. DG, having created so many holes in the defense, and having not addressed QB last year, had no choice but to find a shortcut to finishing the roster.
I have had Giant tickets for over 35 years
I lived through the 1960 - 1970s
This is worse then the 70s
We lose Collins for nothing and Beckham for little more
They essentially replace Collins with Peppers and get a first for Beckham
The Giants are in rebuild but they passed on a quality QB last year
If they select a mediocre QB , Haskins, to fill a void Rather than an edge rusher I am done
They may as well trade Barkley
what? OBJ is 27 years old, middle of his prime. How can anyone say this is a rebuild when eli is at qb and we passed on a qb last year for a running back? What the fuck? this is a team that has no clue what it's doing.
It looks like I might have spoken too soon because the Giants management might have just made some generational decisions.
Welcome back to the 70's. I just hope there is an LT type of reward at the end of this clusterflub.
Never build your team around an individual WR. Especially a WR with the diva gene that is also not physically large and has become injury prone (his fault or not). Don't flip out, this move will be best long term.
My favorite Beckham game was the one many revile him for. When he acted like a child and stopped doing his job to target the opposing CB in that 2015 Carolina game. He should have been tossed, and it was a sign of his wierd mental state. Thing is, Coughlin knew his ass was on the line and needed wins. He left Beckham in and if memory serves, Beckham fucking lit up the Panthers and the Giants roared back. Of course the defense blew it. That was a great performance though once he started doing his job again.
I do wish that one handed catch in a loss against Dallas never happened though. It launched him to stardom and to levels you should have to earn by actually winning. It just threw things off somehow.
Lowest moments, partying on a boat before the biggest game of hia career, running out shirtless in Green Bay like a fucking idiot prior to going out and shitting the bed in the game itself, and last season going on an interview and shitting on NY within a month of being paid 90 million. I am sure the owners loved that.
I support the move.
Nice post Roco, I dont think Giants were ever going to win with him
Thanks for listening
But...
then you add the issues..
Then you add that he has NEVER PLAYED A FULL SEASON.
Then you add that he openly doesn't want to be here and never did.
OBJ is a great player but he isnt LT, he isnt Jerry rice, he is an often injured head case
it's a good trade
Good Safety
Got rid of that huge contract.
Got rid of the distraction.
Agree with me or not.... I am so happy!
Only the 17th pick in the first round & the ABSOLUTE last pick(#95) in the 3rd round. He couldn't even get the Browns 1st 3rd round pick.I like Peppers but this is a major steal for the Browns. Why the rush? NFL Network just said he talked to ONE other team. There's a month plus until the draft-create a competition in the press,make fans of other teams clamor for their GM to trade for OBJ,make a Khalil Mack killing. Gettleman said he needed to be blown away. This was a light breeze!
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
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think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
He didn't run wild. He had 2 excellent games and 2 terrible games. And they were 1-3 in that span.
He also had terrible games at the beginning of the year with OBJ.
Improve the OL, the offense will be just fine.
By week's end, this trade will be looked upon as ultimately the right move.
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Whats the alternative? Giants let Beckham walk and get nothing at all?
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. Whats wrong with that?
This is exactly the point - Giants handled this situation perfectly. Unlike the Steelers who look like bumbling idiots right now... And now we are learning that Odell wanted more money again after the AB trade? Good gracious... and good riddance...
And good for David Gettleman for having the courage to do this...
OBJ wanting more money is just speculation on NFL network
that this kind of situation could develop in wake of AB's contract. It's grossly unfair to say Beckham wanted more money.
Still a bad trade, simply not enough in return. Didnt get a pick for Collins was idiotic. Not getting two firsts for Odell was worse. Lets see what they do with Eli now. If he stays, hes absolutely holding the franchise hostage. To no fault of his own, but this fucking owner/GM/coach combo
Is a total disaster.
Now we have to watch Baker and Odell light the league up.
Darkest day in franchise history.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
Well if this his idea of being "blown away"...
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
Jerry Rice led the league 14 times across meaningful categories over his entire career.
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Not unhappy with the results. It is what it is. We sold high in my opinion. Can't forget that Beckham lost 16 games to injury over the past two years. Now what we do in the Draft will tell the final story.
what? OBJ is 27 years old, middle of his prime. How can anyone say this is a rebuild when eli is at qb and we passed on a qb last year for a running back? What the fuck? this is a team that has no clue what it's doing.
What you say is true. This rebuild should have started in 2018, if anything it shows me the Giants vastly misjudged what they had last offseason, and are now doing an about face. It just shows a directionless franchise right now. I hope there is a full commit to a rebuild, and no longer half measures. Unfortunately, a full rebuild probably takes a few seaons, and figuring a 2020 qb is the target (Im sorry there isnt a good qb in 2019), you ready to compete by maybe 2022 at the earliest? Now youve wasted half of your top players peak production years (a top running back averages around 8 years at peak performance)- making he 2018 pick even more curious to me, again very hard to defend this franchise over the last 9 seasons.
Oh well, heres hoping things look up.
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
Oof.
You're *really* not going to feel well when we trade both those firsts to move up and get Haskins.
I am very worried about that...indeed. That would be very tough to swallow.
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
#6 made me laugh. I don't think the best way to clean up 7 years of bad drafts is to trade away the few good players drafted during those years....but apparently crazy Dave thinks so.
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
Have you ever managed an employee who absolutely did not at to work for you?
In any situation?
It'e very difficult.
Why the hell did we pay him all that money then!!!
This trade doesn't happen if they take a QB last year.
It's not exactly impossible to get a great player at 17. Beckham was drafted at 12.
The Giants are going to have the number one pick in the draft next year. This team has no defense and the worst WRs in the NFL. They need to think long and hard about drafting a QB this year, as in only do it if they are convinced their QB options will be better than the 2020 crop.
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
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If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
This post right here proves youre one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this board.
Christ.
With the haul being what it is, I seriously doubt the Niners #2 pick was ever in play. More likely it was overestimating dreaming on the part of BBI
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
If you think mdc1s is even in the realm of intelligent, well, you must be a a mouth breather too.
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
Doubtful a low 3rd is near close enough.
That would have given us more ammunition to trade up if we needed to. On the other hand, this will probably mean 2 or 3 less wins... So maybe a trade up won't be necessary.
I don't really care about an in the box safety, didn't we just let one go...
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
That would make the most sense, but we keep hearing that Rosen's personality isn't what the Giants want.
How good was this employees 75 tho?
Dude didn't want to be here. See Antonio Brown. New world order.
Neither will win anything. It's still a team game.
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
Yeah, Kyler better be an all-time great QB if we do that, otherwise it puts us in purgatory for a decade more
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
I have no issue with you, and appreciate your expression, but that doesn't make sense at all.
If they are gonna trade there 2nd rd pick for Rosen, then who better to have him throwing the ball to than Beckham, who will help to improve his QB Rating.
Secondly these two high picks you speak of, there isn't one player in this draft as talented as Beckham.
Finally, there is no guarantee that either the 6th pick or the 17th pick are hits. They can both be complete busts.
This 2019 draft is inexorably weaker than the 2014 draft class ever was....
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
There is absolutely no way this is happening. They are there to discuss Rosen with Keim and Kingsbury... hopefully for the third round pic they just got from Browns and perhaps a 3rd/4th next year...
Love the analogy. But OBJ is not the franchise. Far from it.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
Exactly the right way to approach this - plus, Rosen did not have a good year last year. He was the worst of last year's first round quarterback pics including Lamar Jackson who was at the back end of the first round. And Rosen has a reputation of being a prickly personality... have to assume Cards want to deal him asap and Giants therefore need to negotiate accordingly...
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
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Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
Ive heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that Im not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think its the Murray Pro day and Elis bonus
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
He's toast. Live with it and accept it.
Engram has also been under utilized. This trade is no reason to get rid of Eli.
No vet QB would be better mentoring his future replacement than Eli.
Beyond all that, you dont build your team around a WR... especially one who comes up small in big games.
I would have liked more in the trade, but I really dont know a lot about Peppers.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Their time is over. You can win without them.
How is a series of absolutely dumb trades by Gettlemen a failure on Reeses part? I'll spot you that Flowers was a failed pick, but the others were Gettlemen trading good players for bad draft picks. (or nothing, in the case of Pugh). And in the case of OBJ also saddled the Giants with an absurd cap hit.
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Tomorrow is Murray's pro day
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
Ive heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that Im not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think its the Murray Pro day and Elis bonus
I wonder if they trade for Rosen, cut Eli, and use the savings to sign Daryl Williams.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
My initial, uninformed view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants, but was talking on 538 Slack with some people who know a lot more about the NFL than I do and their view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants.
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Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
Engram is also hanging by a thread, he better have a good camp or he's #6.
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But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Their time is over. You can win without them.
hen you keep Beckham. You aren't likely to replace his production with either the draft pick or the cap room.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
If the giants are a worse offensive team next year without OBJ, I'll quit posting. If they aren't, will you?
Could be I'm just justifying it to myself though.
I believe they acquired Zeitler because they think he has 3-4 years left and they wanted to solidify the OL before they draft a QB this year or next.
Eli wont be here in 2020.. the Giants from my limited understanding of the cap will be 90 million under the cap for 2020... perfect to build around a young QB still on a rookie deal..
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
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When the Giants canned TC they went from 6-10 to 11-5. When they canned Reese, 3-13 to 5-11, and healthier, drafting 2nd in rounds 1, 2 and 3.
And I love it because Manning has to go now.
You won the internet tonight.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Rational and measured. Thank you. Still wish it didn't happen or didn't have to happen. And I agree re Collins/Peppers.
That's not SOOOOOO bad- but trading OBJ for anything is sad. And Murry if he actually is committing to FB is worth it.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
And I love it because Manning has to go now.
But unfortunately he won't.
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If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
No offense, but what a pile of bullshit. If you're going to base one's ability to create a legacy on how they perform in their first playoff game, then Eli Manning would never be a "Giant great" because he completely shit his pants in his first playoff game. The greatest WR of all-time did absolutely nothing in his first three playoff games. Just pure anti-Odell nonsense. Jabrill Peppers might be really good one day... he sure as fuck isn't right now. Let's not act like we upgraded from Collins just to fit a horseshit narrative.
I wish they never drafted Odell because his singular talents were used to keep people around who needed to be jettisoned much earlier. The QB, HC, OC, and GM were all allowed to stick around much longer than possible because Odell could turn nothing into 7 points better than anyone. It's obvious the GM has no fucking clue what he's doing. I never had an issue with the Giants drafting Barkley, but they look absolutely ridiculous for doing it now that they've removed any possibility of team success for the next 2+ years of his career. As someone brilliantly said earlier, he's the new Barry Sanders.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
Its dawning on me that gettlemans clear end game is to get as many chips as he can, even if it means sacrificing current elite players. The Collins move makes a lot of sense now if he knew he was getting Peppers in a trade - means hes still in line to receive a comp pick next year. Theres a lot of holes on this roster and if he needed to shed guys that clearly arent going to be part of the young core (or if he could replace them like he replaced Collins with Peppers) hes going to do so. The next step is the QB, lets see how he handles this.
Safety absences solved. RG problem solved. Prima donna player/behavioral problems fixed. Cap limitation situation improved. Eli still starting (in case there were doubts).
They're loaded -- absolutely loaded -- with picks and have more cap room now. But a lot remains to be done: #1 WR, starting RT, and CB issues. But with their new stash maybe these can be fixed, too. So go do it.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
This isn't fantasy football. You have NO idea what Beckham's value on the market was and don't think his off the field antics aren't a form of currency when it comes to trades. He brings with him a whole lot of distraction, doesn't matter if he's in CLE, LA or NY. Personally as a fan, I grew sick of it and there's no way he would have been helpful during this rebuild. So happy he's out of that locker room and 26 can be the face of the franchise.
Finally, this 2019 team hasn't played a down or even drafted yet and you're calling for DG's head. Let's see how this plays out. TOO many weapons hasn't won anyone Super Bowls. Its about balance.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
You're one of the best WRs in your prime, and they put Eli above the franchise, but his name above the laundry, and keep him around? Directly affecting your potential?
Sorry, this can be traced back to the Giants blind love for Eli when he's clearly cooked.
Teams that people herald for not holding on to players too long, like the Eagles and Pats, would have cut Eli by now.
Please look around the league, ripe with players like Mahomes, Watson, and Mayfield, and tell me what WR would be excited to play with the 2019 VERSION (important delineation on the year there) of Eli Manning?
ZERO.
Could he have handled it better? Yes. But let's not act like what he was saying wasn't what pretty much any Elite WR would think.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Dont congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And Im not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. Theres no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
How delusional are you?
It looks like I might have spoken too soon because the Giants management might have just made some generational decisions.
Welcome back to the 70's. I just hope there is an LT type of reward at the end of this clusterflub.
Washington sucked for years before Snyder and went 10-6 the first year with Snyder and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Now what happened afterward ...
I am with what jt was saying on BBI, that I believe the plan all along for the Giants was to keep Odell this year, see what they could do, and then trade him next year, as the cap hit became less an issue and they can at least get 2 years for their efforts.
But watching the Brown return. Watching public circus that was created and the demand for more money guaranteed, I think the Giants got visions of that after the 2019 season so they moved to get him out now.
As for the return for Odell, when you compare it to other WRs traded, it was better than what others got, just not what we'd expect back. They did get the first rounder. They did get a 3rd and a starter. At the least, Gettleman should have gotten the better 3rd rounder, and I'd have hoped for a 2020 2nd. But...again, looking at Antonio Brown. Brown ultimately dictated where he was going to go. He shot down the Buffalo deal. I'm sure Odell wanted LA or SF, but he had Cleveland on his "list" so he could be with Mayfield and Landry. As much as I would have wanted the Giants to shop that offer around, I don't know how far they would have gotten in reality.
Odell was never a distraction to his teammates, that was what we had heard from his former teammates over and over again. But it's a fine line between that and him turning into Antonio Brown and completely pissing off the entire organization. The Giants basically got out before it got really bad.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
He also threw quite a few inaccurately to the WR, as well.
LOL, right? Hilarious garbage.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
How'd 2017 go? How'd 2018 start? How'd the offense perform after their great 2015 season? Are you going to point to one game and tell me Eli still has it? Does he have the anti-aging wonder drug? Do players not fall off in their LATE FUCKING 30s?
Give me a break.
And besides the point that Eli is clearly "cooked", you missed the overarching point that it's quite simple for younger WRs to look around the league and 100% wish they had a more dynamic playmaker who isn't a statue that can get them the ball.
Again, answer my question - do you think elite WRs would ever put Eli in the top 15 starting QBs they'd want to play with at this point in time?
Newsflash: they wouldn't.
And yeah, Eli is cooked.
We have to eat that humongous cap hit of OBJ.
Oh and BTW, Amari Cooper got a first on his own....and remember how many people thought that the Raiders had robbed the Cowboys? Turned out he was worth it, but you get the point.
There's absolutely no way of spinning this in our favor. You want to trade OBJ? Fine. But you better get a king's ransom not only for the type of player he is, but for the cap hit you'll be suffering. We didn't get that. We got a drop in the bucket.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
Drop the mic 🎤
Best post of the day, if not the year, about OBJ and the state of the franchise. Finally, a voice of reason.
Take a bow
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
Dude, put down the pipe.
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It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
The most delusional post I have seen yet today.
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I dont understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and dont trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he cant trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok theres dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
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blah, blah, blah...
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
Let's not forget 23-0 at home in 05.
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
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blah, blah, blah...
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
Weve just let go of one of the most talented highest upside players in the league for a sub par return. People want to talk about his issues but the way we managed him, our coaching turnover, our inability to put people around him that could build a real winning roster that starts at the top and no matter how many players get run out of town for being malcontents we still have people refusing to look in the mirror and see the issues we have at the top.
Honestly Ive been a die hard Giants fan my whole life and these last few seasons paired with the way some fans think about this team makes this whole situation so repugnant for me. We have become the Browns.
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blah, blah, blah...
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
Nobody wants to play with a shot QB, and nobody wants to play with a shot QB when management consistently decides to stick with him for things that happened nearly a deecade/over a decade ago..
Eli, save for really (somewhat) 2014 and 2015, hasn't really played consistently well since the first half of 2012. Why would elite young WRs want to play with him?
All I'm saying is that likely factored into his decision that he made with his comments. It was DUMB to air them publicly in an interview with lil wayne, but I do think it was a factor
Hopefully he doesn't make up for it in a Browns uni.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
Well stated, balanced post.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link : reply
all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
I was wrong, it happens.
Hey, how did Eli's 'kick-ass' revenge tour go last season? Oh. Nevermind.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
What difference does it make? They both sucked in their first playoff game. The difference is that's a scarlet letter for Odell and people forgot about it with Eli because he had opportunities to redeem himself later.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
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It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I dont understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and dont trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he cant trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok theres dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
Read every post - DJM bravo on each of yours! Can't agree more.
The long sufferers remember its only glorious to win when the guys you rooted hard for and admire put it together and pull it off as a team.
I'm okay with an Eli farewell tour and a real rebuild to create a group I'd like to see win. Beckham wasn't getting us there alone or sticking around to be a part of it through the growing pains.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Lost in the boat nonsense (1 week prior to a game) repeatedly is the fact that Super Bowl winner Victor Cruz was the driving force behind it all and planned it but lets continue to lay all blame on Odell.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
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No reason to even keep Eli now.
And why would Eli even want to stay now?
Maybe because the dagger was just removed from his back?
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
I don't remember, but then I don't, as an adult male, worry at night what 21 year old kids do on their league-mandated days off and burn it into my memory as you apear to have.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
Lmao, time for some sleep
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
I agree Plato!
While you always hate to lose talent I am glad to see him go. I am not a fan of his antics and for all of his flash and great plays he has also cost us some games mainly because he can't control his emotions.
I am definitely in the minority but I think this could be addition by subtraction. I see more opportunities for Barkley both in run and pass plays. Less pressure on the QB to get OBJ the ball. I am excited for FA and the draft. OBJ has the potential to be one of the best but he'll remain on the cusp until he can prove to be consistent and a winner. Maybe this move will knock him down a peg and drive him to be his best or maybe he will continue to be all flash and not get his team to higher levels. He brought a lot of flash on the Giants but maybe the 1st rounder, the 3rd rounder and Peppers will bring us the wins with less flash.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
One year at most, and get ready for a losing record. Oh, wait. Nothing new there.
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
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...in the Third Round?
Which fucking one is it?
Last pick in the round.
How did the Giant's not get a 1st a 2nd and Peppers at the very least. Not even the top 3rd round pick :(
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
The point is that as great a player as he is, it's not translating to wins and losses. We have also seen some of the worst offensive units. One great player is not translating to wins so maybe with Peppers and the 2 picks it will be addition by subtraction. He has also missed 21 games already and only played 1 full season so that is a concern as well.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Exactly -- I think back to the guy at the combine who didn't have his shoes to run the 40 and had to borrow someone else's. Still waiting for that guy to grow up. Something Amani Toomer once said always stuck with me -- something to the effect of he's doing all of this and he can still learn how to run better routes and refine his game -- if he ever wanted to, to become an all-time great.
i defended beckham up through the 2016 season but his chokejob in the GB playoff game was the beginning of the end for me. if he truly was asking for more money after being slated to make 20 mil this year then fuck him. i would've taken a 5th for him at that point.
good riddance.
Maybe true -- and I don't disagree about him working hard.
Who knows if Toomer knows something. What I can tell you is that I've seen a lot of people in my years who work their ass off and for one reason or another never get appreciably better. I cringe to even say the cliche, but it's the old adage about working smarter not harder.
Wut? The team with Plax, Toomer and the burgeoning Smith "didn't have a star WR?"
And ROTFLMAO if you double down on that for the Nicks + Cruz + MM team. Doesn't Nicks still own the most yards by a receiver in a series of playoff games in 1 season? Wan't Cruz a Pro Bowler?
WTF are you remembering? Or misremembering?
Not to mention - much to Eli's credit - that 2011 OL was shit on a shingle. Not only didn't Eli have a pocket to throw from in the NFC championship game, he didn't have a change purse large enough to hold 2 dimes and a nickle. You need to check out some tape and get a clue.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
Good post. My concern is with the injuries hes had the last two seasons.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
I dont get how grown men do these things.
Peppers was a No. 1 pick.
There are a lot of angles to consider, talent-wise, in regard to team culiding and the locker room culture, cap-wise. The additional first rounder could also lead us to drafting Dillard or someone else as our RT of the future without having to shell out 10 to 12 mio. a year to a FA RT.
Or we could load up on the defensive line or draft a CB to replace Jenkins in a year or two.
In essence, if the plan is to make the Giants relevant again in three years, this was probably the correct move. Short-term it hurts and hate to lose a Giant as electric as Beckham.
That said, what doesnt calculate is that they signed the guy to a huge contract, go on the record stating they didnt sign him to trade him, then turn around and trade him. This has been the most confused rebuild from the start. A sense of some overall plan is lacking here. Why fail to trade Collins when they had the chance then let him walk for nothing? Why sign Odell to huge contract then trade him in first year?
Wishy washy comes to mind.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Eric on Li delivering some of the best, most balanced posts on this thread. Well done.
What should he have done, brought him out to lunch to break the news? If Mara and Gettleman were fed up, thats on beckham and getting a phone call is what was deserved.
I really liked Beckham, I didnt want him traded but it sounds like he was going to start dictating how business should be ran. He got traded, end of story.
sometimes you part ways with an employee - generally good thing to try and be professional and classy when its' done.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
You can isolate on the dropped TD if you want, but since when is that a mortal sin? It's not enough that he's a top 5 player, there's no room for not catching every pass? That's a strange standard, that he has to be perfect.
In that same game, he also played out of his mind after that point and tied the game in the clutch with a massive play.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Evidently, star receivers are not that valuable.
Meanwhile, I recommend the G-men acquire free agent Keven White, trade their 38th to Arizona for Josh Rosen and use the 6th and 17th pick for DEFENSE starting with Sweatz.
steelers get a 3 and 5 for AB
giants get a 1, 3, and a good safety.
apparently there must of been other factors that led to this beckham trade. so is this trade as bad as many are saying it is?
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Shockey saying they won nothing with him is just a fact. Doesnt mean it was his fault, just that it wasnt working.
I m really surprised that the majority of posters here are being so negative
My fear now is that the Giants will use the two 1st rounders to move up for a QB and that QB ends up as a bust.
I would feel better if they trade down with the 6th, perhaps the 17th for draft capital in 2020. But, chances of that are slim to none.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
ironic usage of brainless.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
The cap issues are meaningless compared to the comparison of what we could have traded OBJ for last year, coming off the injury, versus now.
We could have PERHAPS gotten a 1st for him. Now we've gotten a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers, along with a ton of cap space next season.
I'm not in love with the trade, but I think we did better than if we'd either traded him last year or franchised him (because if he was a headache with a huge new contract, imagine what he would have been like playing under the tag).
Now they need two WRs, and SS isn't far from his walk year in the slot.
Things change on a dime in the NFL. Fans here thought the defense would wreak havoc after 2016 ... never happened. OB in the HoF wearing Giants Blue? Probably not gonna happen.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
We wouldnt have gotten everything we did if he was franchised.
I never make picks out of need.
If they can get Rosen for a 3rd rounder this would be pretty promising.
I don't want any part of Haskins or Murray.
We need to move forward now, and hope that Gettleman finds good players with the new draft picks. We also need to hope that Peppers is our long term safety.
I've been a die-hard Giants' fan for over 50 years and although I'm not going to lie to myself and claim that I'm done with this team, I am really pissed!!!
Fuck Mara for dictating this trade needed to be made.
Fuck DG for getting a shitty return.
And now that I think of it, fuck OBJ as well. If OBJ had acted more like a professional our over-reactive ownership wouldn't have felt they had to trade him.
I wonder if Mara will have the balls to step in front of a microphone and at least explain this to Giants fans. Doubtful!
At this point I fully expect that the next move this team will make is to extend Eli. Clueless John probably thinks that's what we want.
So Peppers is basically a 2 year/$3.3 million deal? Do the Giants get the 5th year option if they want it?
Don't think either. He's going to play ILB next to Ogletree in the "moneybacker" role.
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for is to die
in your sleep
Except Wellington Mara wasn't a fantastic owner.
Cleveland played him all over.
Were officially the worst team in football now .
So Peppers is basically a 2 year/$3.3 million deal? Do the Giants get the 5th year option if they want it?
Yes, the Giants get the fifth year option.
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wish that 3rd was a better 3rd but overall I'm satisfied. This overhaul is one year (at least) too late but at least it's happening.
So Peppers is basically a 2 year/$3.3 million deal? Do the Giants get the 5th year option if they want it?
Yes, the Giants get the fifth year option.
Thank You.
Not sure. Wasn't the Finnish or Swedish women's ski team thread the longest?
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a FS or SS?
Cleveland played him all over.
He can play both ... and that is what you need it todays league ... he can cover, he can blitz and tackle. Also can return punts.