think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
He didn't run wild. He had 2 excellent games and 2 terrible games. And they were 1-3 in that span.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
He didn't run wild. He had 2 excellent games and 2 terrible games. And they were 1-3 in that span.
He also had terrible games at the beginning of the year with OBJ.
Improve the OL, the offense will be just fine.
By week's end, this trade will be looked upon as ultimately the right move.
RE: RE: I also see a lot of people mocking the giants signing of Beckham now. Â
What’s the alternative? Giants let Beckham walk and get nothing at all?
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. What’s wrong with that?
This is exactly the point - Giants handled this situation perfectly. Unlike the Steelers who look like bumbling idiots right now... And now we are learning that Odell wanted more money again after the AB trade? Good gracious... and good riddance...
And good for David Gettleman for having the courage to do this...
OBJ wanting more money is just speculation on NFL network
that this kind of situation could develop in wake of AB's contract. It's grossly unfair to say Beckham wanted more money.
OBJ is a great player but he also has some baggage. In 5 years he has only played one complete season. I have never noticed much difference in the offence when he wasn't playing. He has anger problems. He's fighting with a net or with a DB. The Paris shit looks bad. On top of all that he didnt seem to want to be with the Giants. We got and extra first and third round pick plus a good safety. Not sure how this will effect the salary cap but it may help there too. I just think this trade was good for both OBJ and the giants.
Many here thought OBJ was worth the trouble, but I guess the Giants Â
feel differently. The fact is, if we aren’t winning, and Eli can’t get him the ball, OBJ was always going to be a distraction.
Still a bad trade, simply not enough in return. Didn’t get a pick for Collins was idiotic. Not getting two firsts for Odell was worse. Let’s see what they do with Eli now. If he stays, he’s absolutely holding the franchise hostage. To no fault of his own, but this fucking owner/GM/coach combo
Is a total disaster.
Now we have to watch Baker and Odell light the league up.
Organization being run into the ground by the nepotism lottery winner Mara junior. Turned down 2 first round picks a few years ago for him only to get fleeced today. We lost the best offensive player this team has ever seen. I hope saquon is paying attention to how the front office is shipping out playmaker after playmaker and leaves them high n dry when his contract runs out. We are being run by a bunch of clueless buffoons who care more about their horses than fixing this mess. It started with coughlins forced resignation.
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
But I feel like Odell could’ve been better and has been the 3rd best and most talented WR since he entered the league. He really is a special talent. Him and Barkley both scare Philly, if we had a real team around them.It sucks we didn’t do more with the Odell/Barkley duo. Misdirection potential. Go all in on a 5yr Kyler/Saquon duo.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
hate this trade. think history will provide evidence this was bad trade. that being said - the trade isn't going to burn my house down, make my kids sick, or affect me directly. so...moving on.
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
There's a lot to unpack the first question you should ask is why? I think clearly there is information here that we are not privy to. Some things that I believe. I don't think OBJ wanted to be here anymore. I believe Glazer's source was OBJ himself. I believe this was the best offer Gettleman was going to get and the offers were going to get worse once OBJ started opening his mouth. I think Occam's razor is appropriate. You don't trade Hall of Fame caliber receivers for no reason. The simplest answer is OBJ wanted out sooner rather than later and DG got the best offer he could. I have more thoughts but I'm posting from my phone and it's difficult
For all the "all world talent" tags that OBJ receives, he's only led the league in one category over his 5 years career....and that was yards per game during his rookie season.
Jerry Rice led the league 14 times across meaningful categories over his entire career.
Not unhappy with the results. It is what it is. We sold high in my opinion. Can't forget that Beckham lost 16 games to injury over the past two years. Now what we do in the Draft will tell the final story.
what? OBJ is 27 years old, middle of his prime. How can anyone say this is a rebuild when eli is at qb and we passed on a qb last year for a running back? What the fuck? this is a team that has no clue what it's doing.
What you say is true. This rebuild should have started in 2018, if anything it shows me the Giants vastly misjudged what they had last offseason, and are now doing an about face. It just shows a directionless franchise right now. I hope there is a full commit to a rebuild, and no longer half measures. Unfortunately, a full rebuild probably takes a few seaons, and figuring a 2020 qb is the target (I’m sorry there isn’t a good qb in 2019), you ready to compete by maybe 2022 at the earliest? Now you’ve wasted half of your top players peak production years (a top running back averages around 8 years at peak performance)- making he 2018 pick even more curious to me, again very hard to defend this franchise over the last 9 seasons.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't get all the bellyaching... Â
1. he is not surprised...
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
#6 made me laugh. I don't think the best way to clean up 7 years of bad drafts is to trade away the few good players drafted during those years....but apparently crazy Dave thinks so.
hate this trade. think history will provide evidence this was bad trade. that being said - the trade isn't going to burn my house down, make my kids sick, or affect me directly. so...moving on.
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
Have you ever managed an employee who absolutely did not at to work for you?
In any situation?
It'e very difficult.
RE: Was this the stupidest thing you've ever seen Â
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
... next offseason. Trading him this year is stupid AF. $16 million cap hit? No one else on offense scares a defense. Barkley is going to get stuffed and take an unnecessary beating. How is that good for the future of the Giants?
The Giants are going to have the number one pick in the draft next year. This team has no defense and the worst WRs in the NFL. They need to think long and hard about drafting a QB this year, as in only do it if they are convinced their QB options will be better than the 2020 crop.
intelligent and rational summary of all the knee-jerk and emotional rants on this thread.
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
This post right here proves you’re one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this board.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
intelligent and rational summary of all the knee-jerk and emotional rants on this thread.
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
If you think mdc1’s is even in the realm of intelligent, well, you must be a a mouth breather too.
Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow Â
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
I would have asked for #17 this year and next years #1...
That would have given us more ammunition to trade up if we needed to. On the other hand, this will probably mean 2 or 3 less wins... So maybe a trade up won't be necessary.
I don't really care about an in the box safety, didn't we just let one go...
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
That would make the most sense, but we keep hearing that Rosen's personality isn't what the Giants want.
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
Yeah, Kyler better be an all-time great QB if we do that, otherwise it puts us in purgatory for a decade more
RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow Â
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
I have no issue with you, and appreciate your expression, but that doesn't make sense at all.
If they are gonna trade there 2nd rd pick for Rosen, then who better to have him throwing the ball to than Beckham, who will help to improve his QB Rating.
Secondly these two high picks you speak of, there isn't one player in this draft as talented as Beckham.
Finally, there is no guarantee that either the 6th pick or the 17th pick are hits. They can both be complete busts.
This 2019 draft is inexorably weaker than the 2014 draft class ever was....
rather than deal with a rebuild that, even if it goes well, will come to fruition after he's gone. It seems clear Giants don't expect to be competitive this year. Eli doesn't owe the organization anything more than he's given. And it's also quite possible some move will be made before his bonus payment comes due next week. I don't know if Giants think any of this year's QBs are viable, if a Rosen trade is a possibility, or if they plan on waiting until next year. But let Lauletta, the esteemed Alex Tanney, or a cheap journeyman play it out.
simply based on the fact that the team trading for him wont have him for 5 years on a rookie deal. They will only have him for 4 years.. That means they should take less... I think I would offer them a #3 and one of those multiple #5's I have as a starting point.. giving the #2 only if necessary.
RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow Â
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
There is absolutely no way this is happening. They are there to discuss Rosen with Keim and Kingsbury... hopefully for the third round pic they just got from Browns and perhaps a 3rd/4th next year...
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
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think outside the box,this panic is hilarious. DG knows exactly what he is doing. We can go in many directions now, this isn't Reece drafting.
Peppers is the proven 2nd 1st round pick for Odell. Curtis Riley isn't back there anymore
He didn't run wild. He had 2 excellent games and 2 terrible games. And they were 1-3 in that span.
He also had terrible games at the beginning of the year with OBJ.
Improve the OL, the offense will be just fine.
By week's end, this trade will be looked upon as ultimately the right move.
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What’s the alternative? Giants let Beckham walk and get nothing at all?
This is exactly why I wanted the giants to sign Beckham. Either keep him or get assets in return. Some of you are holding DGs feet to the fire becsuse he signed Beckham??? I think it was a brilliant move. We paid money for draft picks and peppers. What’s wrong with that?
This is exactly the point - Giants handled this situation perfectly. Unlike the Steelers who look like bumbling idiots right now... And now we are learning that Odell wanted more money again after the AB trade? Good gracious... and good riddance...
And good for David Gettleman for having the courage to do this...
OBJ wanting more money is just speculation on NFL network
that this kind of situation could develop in wake of AB's contract. It's grossly unfair to say Beckham wanted more money.
Still a bad trade, simply not enough in return. Didn’t get a pick for Collins was idiotic. Not getting two firsts for Odell was worse. Let’s see what they do with Eli now. If he stays, he’s absolutely holding the franchise hostage. To no fault of his own, but this fucking owner/GM/coach combo
Is a total disaster.
Now we have to watch Baker and Odell light the league up.
Darkest day in franchise history.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
Well if this his idea of being "blown away"...
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
Jerry Rice led the league 14 times across meaningful categories over his entire career.
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Not unhappy with the results. It is what it is. We sold high in my opinion. Can't forget that Beckham lost 16 games to injury over the past two years. Now what we do in the Draft will tell the final story.
what? OBJ is 27 years old, middle of his prime. How can anyone say this is a rebuild when eli is at qb and we passed on a qb last year for a running back? What the fuck? this is a team that has no clue what it's doing.
What you say is true. This rebuild should have started in 2018, if anything it shows me the Giants vastly misjudged what they had last offseason, and are now doing an about face. It just shows a directionless franchise right now. I hope there is a full commit to a rebuild, and no longer half measures. Unfortunately, a full rebuild probably takes a few seaons, and figuring a 2020 qb is the target (I’m sorry there isn’t a good qb in 2019), you ready to compete by maybe 2022 at the earliest? Now you’ve wasted half of your top players peak production years (a top running back averages around 8 years at peak performance)- making he 2018 pick even more curious to me, again very hard to defend this franchise over the last 9 seasons.
Oh well, here’s hoping things look up.
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
Oof.
You're *really* not going to feel well when we trade both those firsts to move up and get Haskins.
I am very worried about that...indeed. That would be very tough to swallow.
2. there is no "I" in the word "team"
3. OBJ's luke warm response about being in NY right after the Giants gave him $90 million.
4. OBJ is a hard worker. Tries hard in games and in practice
5. He thinks both Shurmur and DG did not feel that OBJ was going to be the "team guy" that the need.
6. DG is trying to clean up 7 years of bad drafts
7. Remember, DG was the director of player personnel during our last 2 superbowls. He has a plan.
8. He has no idea what DG is thinking about the #6 pick.
#6 made me laugh. I don't think the best way to clean up 7 years of bad drafts is to trade away the few good players drafted during those years....but apparently crazy Dave thinks so.
one final point(s), for the guys calling OBJ a me first, cancer etc. I still recall the play where he's running down field and takes on two players in the secondary blokcing for Barkley. and I'm sure there are more plays like that.
Most important, biggest part of management is managing the personalities. If you cannot deal with your personnel - egos, personalities, etc. , manage their performance and the things that affect their performance - you're falling short as a manager.
Have you ever managed an employee who absolutely did not at to work for you?
In any situation?
It'e very difficult.
Why the hell did we pay him all that money then!!!
This trade doesn't happen if they take a QB last year.
It's not exactly impossible to get a great player at 17. Beckham was drafted at 12.
The Giants are going to have the number one pick in the draft next year. This team has no defense and the worst WRs in the NFL. They need to think long and hard about drafting a QB this year, as in only do it if they are convinced their QB options will be better than the 2020 crop.
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
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If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
This post right here proves you’re one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this board.
Christ.
With the haul being what it is, I seriously doubt the Niners #2 pick was ever in play. More likely it was overestimating dreaming on the part of BBI
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
I wanted OBJ gone, did so last year, and cringed at the contract he was given.
That being said, I think the return was light, the AB trade notwithstanding, and would have liked to see a #1, #2, and Peppers at minimum in return.
If you think mdc1’s is even in the realm of intelligent, well, you must be a a mouth breather too.
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
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In comment 14329106 Matt in SGS said:
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
My hope is they can get Rosen for the third round pick acquired from the Browns in OBJ trade... and then use their current first three pics on something like Montez Sweat, DK Metcalf and an OT like Dillard/Taylor (essentially three first round pics and certain immediate starters)...
OBJ will be a distant memory in a month if something like this unfolds... unless of course he begins holding out with the Browns for even more money and begins terrorizing the Browns as AB did with the Steelers...
Doubtful a low 3rd is near close enough.
That would have given us more ammunition to trade up if we needed to. On the other hand, this will probably mean 2 or 3 less wins... So maybe a trade up won't be necessary.
I don't really care about an in the box safety, didn't we just let one go...
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
That would make the most sense, but we keep hearing that Rosen's personality isn't what the Giants want.
How good was this employees 75 tho?
Dude didn't want to be here. See Antonio Brown. New world order.
Neither will win anything. It's still a team game.
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
Yeah, Kyler better be an all-time great QB if we do that, otherwise it puts us in purgatory for a decade more
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
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as we process all this. Why now? Why not in a few weeks or closer to the draft? What triggered this happening right now that the Giants couldn't have pushed the 49ers, who reportedly were dangling the #2 pick.
If the AB thing was the final straw, I imagine the Giants had a bidding war going on behind the scenes (at least I hope so). Maybe the SF stuff was bullshit to get this "best" offer.
But again, I have to think there is something else planned here, and yes, I'm looking at Eli's bonus on 3/17 and wondering if that's part of this.
Yep, my first reaction was that this is extra ammo for Rosen.
BTW, Dave Te has been knocking it out of the park this offseason if you have been listening to his podcast and his posts on BBI. He made the comment that you can get Rosen for a 2nd and that would make sense for the Giants. He also said that the Cardinals will want to trade him sooner than later, especially if they decide that Murray is their guy. Murray's Pro day is tomorrow. If it goes as planned, it might be very clear that he's the man there is no point to keeping Rosen since they will get better value for him if teams can get him into their offseason program. So maybe this deal was made, to get that #17 pick and the 3rd rounder to allow the Giants to trade their 2nd rounder for Rosen and still get 2 high picks.
I have no issue with you, and appreciate your expression, but that doesn't make sense at all.
If they are gonna trade there 2nd rd pick for Rosen, then who better to have him throwing the ball to than Beckham, who will help to improve his QB Rating.
Secondly these two high picks you speak of, there isn't one player in this draft as talented as Beckham.
Finally, there is no guarantee that either the 6th pick or the 17th pick are hits. They can both be complete busts.
This 2019 draft is inexorably weaker than the 2014 draft class ever was....
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
There is absolutely no way this is happening. They are there to discuss Rosen with Keim and Kingsbury... hopefully for the third round pic they just got from Browns and perhaps a 3rd/4th next year...