Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
RE: I dont think Arizona should get a #1 for Rosen Â
simply based on the fact that the team trading for him wont have him for 5 years on a rookie deal. They will only have him for 4 years.. That means they should take less... I think I would offer them a #3 and one of those multiple #5's I have as a starting point.. giving the #2 only if necessary.
Exactly the right way to approach this - plus, Rosen did not have a good year last year. He was the worst of last year's first round quarterback pics including Lamar Jackson who was at the back end of the first round. And Rosen has a reputation of being a prickly personality... have to assume Cards want to deal him asap and Giants therefore need to negotiate accordingly...
Eli behind a historically horrendous OL for at least half the season Â
1. ended up #9 in the NFL in yards
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
RE: RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow Â
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
I’ve heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that I’m not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think it’s the Murray Pro day and Eli’s bonus
RE: Eli behind a historically horrendous OL for at least half the season Â
1. ended up #9 in the NFL in yards
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
And it would have gotten worse over time with the O featuring Barkley. I don’t believe for a second that he would be happy seeing Barkley get all the attention. A diva WR is also not good for the development of a young QB.
Beyond all that, you don’t build your team around a WR... especially one who comes up small in big games.
I would have liked more in the trade, but I really don’t know a lot about Peppers.
But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
How is a series of absolutely dumb trades by Gettlemen a failure on Reeses part? I'll spot you that Flowers was a failed pick, but the others were Gettlemen trading good players for bad draft picks. (or nothing, in the case of Pugh). And in the case of OBJ also saddled the Giants with an absurd cap hit.
RE: RE: RE: Hanlon put out a tweet for someone to talk to him after 4 PM tomorrow Â
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
I’ve heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that I’m not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think it’s the Murray Pro day and Eli’s bonus
I wonder if they trade for Rosen, cut Eli, and use the savings to sign Daryl Williams.
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
My initial, uninformed view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants, but was talking on 538 Slack with some people who know a lot more about the NFL than I do and their view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants.
Reese's failure is now nearly complete
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Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
Engram is also hanging by a thread, he better have a good camp or he's #6.
But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Their time is over. You can win without them.
hen you keep Beckham. You aren't likely to replace his production with either the draft pick or the cap room.
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The long term plan here? Because we clearly aren’t going all in with talent nor ate we in a full rebuild. We’re taking on guys like Zeitler yet not signing any free agents. Trading our best player yet not giving up on our geriatric WB. Just doesn’t make sense. Worst GM in the NFL?
The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
If the giants are a worse offensive team next year without OBJ, I'll quit posting. If they aren't, will you?
He had definitely lost a step off of his jets after the injury. That second gear he had before the injury was just not there. He was not breaking away for those long TDs. If he reains that extra gear? I don't like the trade. But if he stays where he is now? I'm OK with it. Peppers seems to be an up and coming safety and a decent return guy. 17th pick is not an awful thing either.
work for the Giants making these comments.. I also wouldnt have traded him.. what I believe is this simple. The Giants got tired of his sideline antics.. pouting.. silly cryptic twitter comments.. and had enough...
The long term plan here? Because we clearly aren’t going all in with talent nor ate we in a full rebuild. We’re taking on guys like Zeitler yet not signing any free agents. Trading our best player yet not giving up on our geriatric WB. Just doesn’t make sense. Worst GM in the NFL?
I believe they acquired Zeitler because they think he has 3-4 years left and they wanted to solidify the OL before they draft a QB this year or next.
The long term plan here? Because we clearly aren’t going all in with talent nor ate we in a full rebuild. We’re taking on guys like Zeitler yet not signing any free agents. Trading our best player yet not giving up on our geriatric WB. Just doesn’t make sense. Worst GM in the NFL?
Eli wont be here in 2020.. the Giants from my limited understanding of the cap will be 90 million under the cap for 2020... perfect to build around a young QB still on a rookie deal..
The laws of supply and demand really don't lie. If there was a team out there willing to pay more for Odell, then we would know by now. The league spoke and told us what Odell's "current value" is...everything considered.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
as an complete moron is also solidified - go root for Foles and TC. Reese was with the Giants for 23 years, and deserves as much credit as TC for 42 and 46. Time to move on from both, unfortunately they appear to have gotten new HC and GMs that should be canned sooner rather than later. I'll primarily blame Mara for that.
When the Giants canned TC they went from 6-10 to 11-5. When they canned Reese, 3-13 to 5-11, and healthier, drafting 2nd in rounds 1, 2 and 3.
I bet Injuries played a big part in Giants thinking Â
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Rational and measured. Thank you. Still wish it didn't happen or didn't have to happen. And I agree re Collins/Peppers.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
He has trashed the defense, losing Harrison, Apple, and Collins. He has given away the best WR the Giants ever had. Well, looking forward to an unexcitable, well-mannered group that will unlikely get 4 wins. Back to the late 1960s and 1970s.
If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
No offense, but what a pile of bullshit. If you're going to base one's ability to create a legacy on how they perform in their first playoff game, then Eli Manning would never be a "Giant great" because he completely shit his pants in his first playoff game. The greatest WR of all-time did absolutely nothing in his first three playoff games. Just pure anti-Odell nonsense. Jabrill Peppers might be really good one day... he sure as fuck isn't right now. Let's not act like we upgraded from Collins just to fit a horseshit narrative.
I wish they never drafted Odell because his singular talents were used to keep people around who needed to be jettisoned much earlier. The QB, HC, OC, and GM were all allowed to stick around much longer than possible because Odell could turn nothing into 7 points better than anyone. It's obvious the GM has no fucking clue what he's doing. I never had an issue with the Giants drafting Barkley, but they look absolutely ridiculous for doing it now that they've removed any possibility of team success for the next 2+ years of his career. As someone brilliantly said earlier, he's the new Barry Sanders.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
It’s dawning on me that gettlemans clear end game is to get as many chips as he can, even if it means sacrificing current elite players. The Collins move makes a lot of sense now if he knew he was getting Peppers in a trade - means he’s still in line to receive a comp pick next year. There’s a lot of holes on this roster and if he needed to shed guys that clearly aren’t going to be part of the young core (or if he could replace them like he replaced Collins with Peppers) he’s going to do so. The next step is the QB, let’s see how he handles this.
Is giving guys like Collins, Beckham and other great players an opportunity to reach the playoffs. It is difficult to accept that he is building, let alone re-building, this team.
All things considered, I kind of like the whole deal and think the Giants as a team will be better off for it.
Safety absences solved. RG problem solved. Prima donna player/behavioral problems fixed. Cap limitation situation improved. Eli still starting (in case there were doubts).
They're loaded -- absolutely loaded -- with picks and have more cap room now. But a lot remains to be done: #1 WR, starting RT, and CB issues. But with their new stash maybe these can be fixed, too. So go do it.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
You can't judge him for another two years. I mean you can because there's nothing stopping you, but this is a rebuild of sorts. Not sure what the exact terminology would be but this is likely a 3 year plan.
This isn't fantasy football. You have NO idea what Beckham's value on the market was and don't think his off the field antics aren't a form of currency when it comes to trades. He brings with him a whole lot of distraction, doesn't matter if he's in CLE, LA or NY. Personally as a fan, I grew sick of it and there's no way he would have been helpful during this rebuild. So happy he's out of that locker room and 26 can be the face of the franchise.
Finally, this 2019 team hasn't played a down or even drafted yet and you're calling for DG's head. Let's see how this plays out. TOO many weapons hasn't won anyone Super Bowls. Its about balance.
and admittedly, I didn't read the whole thread....
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
You're one of the best WRs in your prime, and they put Eli above the franchise, but his name above the laundry, and keep him around? Directly affecting your potential?
Sorry, this can be traced back to the Giants blind love for Eli when he's clearly cooked.
Teams that people herald for not holding on to players too long, like the Eagles and Pats, would have cut Eli by now.
Please look around the league, ripe with players like Mahomes, Watson, and Mayfield, and tell me what WR would be excited to play with the 2019 VERSION (important delineation on the year there) of Eli Manning?
ZERO.
Could he have handled it better? Yes. But let's not act like what he was saying wasn't what pretty much any Elite WR would think.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
Your credibility goes out the fucking window when you make some bullshit claim that Brown is "twice the WR OBJ was".
Love the analogy. But OBJ is not ‘the franchise’. Far from it.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
Exactly the right way to approach this - plus, Rosen did not have a good year last year. He was the worst of last year's first round quarterback pics including Lamar Jackson who was at the back end of the first round. And Rosen has a reputation of being a prickly personality... have to assume Cards want to deal him asap and Giants therefore need to negotiate accordingly...
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
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Tomorrow is Murray's pro day
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
I’ve heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that I’m not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think it’s the Murray Pro day and Eli’s bonus
2. had one of his best years ever as far as INT, tied with Tom brady with 11, which was fewer than Big Ben, Luck and others.
3. didn't have as many TDs as most other years, but did have a certain RB who had 11 TDs. Certain more selfish stat hungry QBs might not have handed off the ball as much near the endzone.
4. Finished with a completion % basically equal to that of Tom brady (66%).
After the bye, when the OL started to get it's collective shit together a little, Eli was:
The #1 rated QB in the NFL week 11
The #2 rated QB in the NFL week 14
Yes, there were some less than great weeks to finish off the season against the Bears and Titans, but Eli wasn't the only QB that had bad weeks against those defenses.
This isn't to say that we should give Eli a 5 year extension or anything, I just get tired of people saying he sucks and acting like he's the reason for a crappy team.
A crappy team, especially OL, put together by Reese and Ross, et al. are the reason for the crappy team. Eli deserves respect.
He's toast. Live with it and accept it.
Engram has also been under utilized. This trade is no reason to get rid of Eli.
No vet QB would be better mentoring his future replacement than Eli.
Beyond all that, you don’t build your team around a WR... especially one who comes up small in big games.
I would have liked more in the trade, but I really don’t know a lot about Peppers.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Their time is over. You can win without them.
How is a series of absolutely dumb trades by Gettlemen a failure on Reeses part? I'll spot you that Flowers was a failed pick, but the others were Gettlemen trading good players for bad draft picks. (or nothing, in the case of Pugh). And in the case of OBJ also saddled the Giants with an absurd cap hit.
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Tomorrow is Murray's pro day
Shurmur will be there
Gettleman said "no guts, no glory".
You want to talk about crazy, well, everything is on the table now that Odell got traded. The Giants now have 2 first round picks. 6 and 17. We are saying they will trade up to get Haskins.
What if the target isn't Haskins?
What if the target is Murray? And...what if the trade was made because the best offer the Cardinals got was the Raiders' first round pick at 4 and 24/27.
The safe route for the Giants is to trade for Rosen or wait to see if Haskins falls to them at 6 (if they want him). But if they really want Murray, and they are changing everything up now. What if coming out of the pro day tomorrow, they decide Murray is their guy and they look to jump the Raiders and get him.
Now that's a ballsy move.
If that's the case I can get behind it. Have you heard anything or are you just trying to put puzzle pieces together?
I’ve heard nothing. Just making a wild ass guess. I think a Rosen trade is more likely. But right now, all bets are off with the Giants. But I still maintain that I’m not clear why this trade happened now. This deal is on the table on draft day by Cleveland if need be. They would have waited. So why now and I think it’s the Murray Pro day and Eli’s bonus
I wonder if they trade for Rosen, cut Eli, and use the savings to sign Daryl Williams.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
My initial, uninformed view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants, but was talking on 538 Slack with some people who know a lot more about the NFL than I do and their view was that the Odell Beckham Jr. trade was shitty for the Giants.
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Engram is the only one of his first round picks still with the team. Incredibly, Gettlemen has now gotten rid of I think 5 of Reese's first round picks in the last year: JPP, OBJ, Apple, Pugh, and Flowers.
Engram is also hanging by a thread, he better have a good camp or he's #6.
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But every move he has made to get rid of or bring in a veteran has been awful.
You don't trade a player of Beckham's caliber for anything less than two full drafts. And even then it probably isn't a good trade.
We have now traded our two best pass rushers for a guard and a third round pick. We just traded the best WR in the league for a mid first rounder and a JAG safety. What fraction of top 5 picks are as good as Beckham--under 25%.
What if nobody is offering two full drafts?... Diva WR's are overrated. Look at what AB got traded for.
Their time is over. You can win without them.
hen you keep Beckham. You aren't likely to replace his production with either the draft pick or the cap room.
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The two situations are completely different, one has nothing to do with the other. OBJ put himself in this position with his cancerous behavior. Eli has been the face of the organization for a long time. His time is near end, and before this off-season is over we should know the transition plan.
The ELI attacks are due to everyone else being the problem on this team except good old ELI. Why is everyone being replaced except for ELI?. Who does ELI make better? People are just sick of the same shit every year. Why is it so difficult to move on from ELI?
If the giants are a worse offensive team next year without OBJ, I'll quit posting. If they aren't, will you?
Could be I'm just justifying it to myself though.
I believe they acquired Zeitler because they think he has 3-4 years left and they wanted to solidify the OL before they draft a QB this year or next.
Eli wont be here in 2020.. the Giants from my limited understanding of the cap will be 90 million under the cap for 2020... perfect to build around a young QB still on a rookie deal..
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
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When the Giants canned TC they went from 6-10 to 11-5. When they canned Reese, 3-13 to 5-11, and healthier, drafting 2nd in rounds 1, 2 and 3.
And I love it because Manning has to go now.
You won the internet tonight.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Rational and measured. Thank you. Still wish it didn't happen or didn't have to happen. And I agree re Collins/Peppers.
That's not SOOOOOO bad- but trading OBJ for anything is sad. And Murry if he actually is committing to FB is worth it.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
And I love it because Manning has to go now.
But unfortunately he won't.
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If you had an employee who could only participate 75% of the time, what would you do?
well we solved 2 of those problems by shipping them to Cleveland (vernon and beckham). we also solved the kneeling and histrionics on the culture front.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
No offense, but what a pile of bullshit. If you're going to base one's ability to create a legacy on how they perform in their first playoff game, then Eli Manning would never be a "Giant great" because he completely shit his pants in his first playoff game. The greatest WR of all-time did absolutely nothing in his first three playoff games. Just pure anti-Odell nonsense. Jabrill Peppers might be really good one day... he sure as fuck isn't right now. Let's not act like we upgraded from Collins just to fit a horseshit narrative.
I wish they never drafted Odell because his singular talents were used to keep people around who needed to be jettisoned much earlier. The QB, HC, OC, and GM were all allowed to stick around much longer than possible because Odell could turn nothing into 7 points better than anyone. It's obvious the GM has no fucking clue what he's doing. I never had an issue with the Giants drafting Barkley, but they look absolutely ridiculous for doing it now that they've removed any possibility of team success for the next 2+ years of his career. As someone brilliantly said earlier, he's the new Barry Sanders.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
It’s dawning on me that gettlemans clear end game is to get as many chips as he can, even if it means sacrificing current elite players. The Collins move makes a lot of sense now if he knew he was getting Peppers in a trade - means he’s still in line to receive a comp pick next year. There’s a lot of holes on this roster and if he needed to shed guys that clearly aren’t going to be part of the young core (or if he could replace them like he replaced Collins with Peppers) he’s going to do so. The next step is the QB, let’s see how he handles this.
Safety absences solved. RG problem solved. Prima donna player/behavioral problems fixed. Cap limitation situation improved. Eli still starting (in case there were doubts).
They're loaded -- absolutely loaded -- with picks and have more cap room now. But a lot remains to be done: #1 WR, starting RT, and CB issues. But with their new stash maybe these can be fixed, too. So go do it.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
This isn't fantasy football. You have NO idea what Beckham's value on the market was and don't think his off the field antics aren't a form of currency when it comes to trades. He brings with him a whole lot of distraction, doesn't matter if he's in CLE, LA or NY. Personally as a fan, I grew sick of it and there's no way he would have been helpful during this rebuild. So happy he's out of that locker room and 26 can be the face of the franchise.
Finally, this 2019 team hasn't played a down or even drafted yet and you're calling for DG's head. Let's see how this plays out. TOO many weapons hasn't won anyone Super Bowls. Its about balance.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
You're one of the best WRs in your prime, and they put Eli above the franchise, but his name above the laundry, and keep him around? Directly affecting your potential?
Sorry, this can be traced back to the Giants blind love for Eli when he's clearly cooked.
Teams that people herald for not holding on to players too long, like the Eagles and Pats, would have cut Eli by now.
Please look around the league, ripe with players like Mahomes, Watson, and Mayfield, and tell me what WR would be excited to play with the 2019 VERSION (important delineation on the year there) of Eli Manning?
ZERO.
Could he have handled it better? Yes. But let's not act like what he was saying wasn't what pretty much any Elite WR would think.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
The idea that the player who holds every significant Giants receiving record is hurting the team is a joke. And we had to replace our 25 year old safety with another 25 year old safety (with exactly one sack) is only because we chose not to keep him. Don’t congratulate Gettleman for solving an issue he created. And I’m not sure what to do with anyone calling LT more of a team player than Beckham. When did Beckham get suspended for drugs?
Gettleman got garbage for the best offensive player in our history. There’s no defending it.
Peppers is almost two years younger than Collins, was a first round pick and is a much better athlete than collins and controllable for several years at significantly lower cost than Collins. If you add the compensatory draft pic they get for Collins, this was a great haul for us - especially if you compare it to what the Steelers got for AB, who is twice the receiver that OBJ is... Giants will likely get three or four starters for someone who had exactly zero interest in being part of this team despite Mara bending over backwards to accommodate him...
How delusional are you?