we discussed they worst run NFL organizations. He felt it was a toss-up between the Jets and the Redskins with the Browns not too far behind. I leaned more towards the Redskins because of the direct corelation between Snyder and the fall of the team.
It looks like I might have spoken too soon because the Giants management might have just made some generational decisions.
Welcome back to the 70's. I just hope there is an LT type of reward at the end of this clusterflub.
Washington sucked for years before Snyder and went 10-6 the first year with Snyder and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Now what happened afterward ...
spooking the shit out of the Giants front office. And let's not forget, the Steelers are essentially (and literally) the Giants AFC cousins. After watching that horror show go down (from an ownership point of view), the Giants watched the Steelers trade Brown a year too late and get 60 cents on the dollar.
I am with what jt was saying on BBI, that I believe the plan all along for the Giants was to keep Odell this year, see what they could do, and then trade him next year, as the cap hit became less an issue and they can at least get 2 years for their efforts.
But watching the Brown return. Watching public circus that was created and the demand for more money guaranteed, I think the Giants got visions of that after the 2019 season so they moved to get him out now.
As for the return for Odell, when you compare it to other WRs traded, it was better than what others got, just not what we'd expect back. They did get the first rounder. They did get a 3rd and a starter. At the least, Gettleman should have gotten the better 3rd rounder, and I'd have hoped for a 2020 2nd. But...again, looking at Antonio Brown. Brown ultimately dictated where he was going to go. He shot down the Buffalo deal. I'm sure Odell wanted LA or SF, but he had Cleveland on his "list" so he could be with Mayfield and Landry. As much as I would have wanted the Giants to shop that offer around, I don't know how far they would have gotten in reality.
Odell was never a distraction to his teammates, that was what we had heard from his former teammates over and over again. But it's a fine line between that and him turning into Antonio Brown and completely pissing off the entire organization. The Giants basically got out before it got really bad.
"It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people." Â
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
He also threw quite a few inaccurately to the WR, as well.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
How'd 2017 go? How'd 2018 start? How'd the offense perform after their great 2015 season? Are you going to point to one game and tell me Eli still has it? Does he have the anti-aging wonder drug? Do players not fall off in their LATE FUCKING 30s?
Give me a break.
And besides the point that Eli is clearly "cooked", you missed the overarching point that it's quite simple for younger WRs to look around the league and 100% wish they had a more dynamic playmaker who isn't a statue that can get them the ball.
Again, answer my question - do you think elite WRs would ever put Eli in the top 15 starting QBs they'd want to play with at this point in time?
Newsflash: they wouldn't.
And yeah, Eli is cooked.
Don't give me this bullshit about what Antonio Brown fetched Â
The Steelers hands were tied. Brown wanted out in the worst way and he was getting a new contract wherever he went.
We have to eat that humongous cap hit of OBJ.
Oh and BTW, Amari Cooper got a first on his own....and remember how many people thought that the Raiders had robbed the Cowboys? Turned out he was worth it, but you get the point.
There's absolutely no way of spinning this in our favor. You want to trade OBJ? Fine. But you better get a king's ransom not only for the type of player he is, but for the cap hit you'll be suffering. We didn't get that. We got a drop in the bucket.
What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
Drop the mic 🎤
Best post of the day, if not the year, about OBJ and the state of the franchise. Finally, a voice of reason.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
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The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
Dude, put down the pipe.
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It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I don’t understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and don’t trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he can’t trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok there’s dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
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The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
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The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
Everyone slobbering over a pro Giants brain trust post Â
and ignoring the anonymous AFC sourr saying he’d be fired over this trade return is indicative of the delusional attitude most have to support the Giants.
We’ve just let go of one of the most talented highest upside players in the league for a sub par return. People want to talk about his issues but the way we managed him, our coaching turnover, our inability to put people around him that could build a real winning roster that starts at the top and no matter how many players get run out of town for being malcontents we still have people refusing to look in the mirror and see the issues we have at the top.
Honestly I’ve been a die hard Giants fan my whole life and these last few seasons paired with the way some fans think about this team makes this whole situation so repugnant for me. We have become the Browns.
One thing is perfectly clear its Barkleys team now Â
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
My point is that Eli is not a player that any elite WR wants to play with in the league. And that's likely a big factor into why OBJ made his comments about NYC. I can't see it's the only factor, but it's obviously a big one.
Nobody wants to play with a shot QB, and nobody wants to play with a shot QB when management consistently decides to stick with him for things that happened nearly a deecade/over a decade ago..
Eli, save for really (somewhat) 2014 and 2015, hasn't really played consistently well since the first half of 2012. Why would elite young WRs want to play with him?
All I'm saying is that likely factored into his decision that he made with his comments. It was DUMB to air them publicly in an interview with lil wayne, but I do think it was a factor
And Eli had a chance to make up for it 2 seasons later Â
they basically got what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack for a player who has far more risks. He misses more games, relies on skills that have a shorter shelf life (elite speed + athleticism), and doesn't always set the best example. I hated the Mack trade for the Raiders because he is exactly the type of cornerstone you want in your lockerroom, this one is more even value for both sides in my mind.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
they basically got what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack for a player who has far more risks. He misses more games, relies on skills that have a shorter shelf life (elite speed + athleticism), and doesn't always set the best example. I hated the Mack trade for the Raiders because he is exactly the type of cornerstone you want in your lockerroom, this one is more even value for both sides in my mind.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
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all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
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all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
I was wrong, it happens.
Hey, how did Eli's 'kick-ass' revenge tour go last season? Oh. Nevermind.
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Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
What difference does it make? They both sucked in their first playoff game. The difference is that's a scarlet letter for Odell and people forgot about it with Eli because he had opportunities to redeem himself later.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch. Â
I for one think DG is building the team around SB who is a generational and team player. Giants will win by building strong defense to stop others running/passing, and a strong running game to control clock and score. the changes to “o”line are about this as is trading for safeties and draft picks in strong “d” draft.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I don’t understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and don’t trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he can’t trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok there’s dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
Read every post - DJM bravo on each of yours! Can't agree more.
The long sufferers remember its only glorious to win when the guys you rooted hard for and admire put it together and pull it off as a team.
I'm okay with an Eli farewell tour and a real rebuild to create a group I'd like to see win. Beckham wasn't getting us there alone or sticking around to be a part of it through the growing pains.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Lost in the boat nonsense (1 week prior to a game) repeatedly is the fact that Super Bowl winner Victor Cruz was the driving force behind it all and planned it but let’s continue to lay all blame on Odell.
Not directed at anyone in particular but the annoying antics Â
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
I don't remember, but then I don't, as an adult male, worry at night what 21 year old kids do on their league-mandated days off and burn it into my memory as you apear to have.
RE: montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch. Â
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
Lmao, time for some sleep
RE: montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch. Â
I for one think DG is building the team around SB who is a generational and team player. Giants will win by building strong defense to stop others running/passing, and a strong running game to control clock and score. the changes to “o”line are about this as is trading for safeties and draft picks in strong “d” draft.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
He is one of the best players I have ever seen play WR yet our record since He was drafted is 31-45. His positive impact on this team is not being felt on the field.
While you always hate to lose talent I am glad to see him go. I am not a fan of his antics and for all of his flash and great plays he has also cost us some games mainly because he can't control his emotions.
I am definitely in the minority but I think this could be addition by subtraction. I see more opportunities for Barkley both in run and pass plays. Less pressure on the QB to get OBJ the ball. I am excited for FA and the draft. OBJ has the potential to be one of the best but he'll remain on the cusp until he can prove to be consistent and a winner. Maybe this move will knock him down a peg and drive him to be his best or maybe he will continue to be all flash and not get his team to higher levels. He brought a lot of flash on the Giants but maybe the 1st rounder, the 3rd rounder and Peppers will bring us the wins with less flash.
RE: montanagiant post on the money, everyone needs to keep calm and watch. Â
I for one think DG is building the team around SB who is a generational and team player. Giants will win by building strong defense to stop others running/passing, and a strong running game to control clock and score. the changes to “o”line are about this as is trading for safeties and draft picks in strong “d” draft.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
One year at most, and get ready for a losing record. Oh, wait. Nothing new there.
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
It looks like I might have spoken too soon because the Giants management might have just made some generational decisions.
Welcome back to the 70's. I just hope there is an LT type of reward at the end of this clusterflub.
Washington sucked for years before Snyder and went 10-6 the first year with Snyder and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Now what happened afterward ...
I am with what jt was saying on BBI, that I believe the plan all along for the Giants was to keep Odell this year, see what they could do, and then trade him next year, as the cap hit became less an issue and they can at least get 2 years for their efforts.
But watching the Brown return. Watching public circus that was created and the demand for more money guaranteed, I think the Giants got visions of that after the 2019 season so they moved to get him out now.
As for the return for Odell, when you compare it to other WRs traded, it was better than what others got, just not what we'd expect back. They did get the first rounder. They did get a 3rd and a starter. At the least, Gettleman should have gotten the better 3rd rounder, and I'd have hoped for a 2020 2nd. But...again, looking at Antonio Brown. Brown ultimately dictated where he was going to go. He shot down the Buffalo deal. I'm sure Odell wanted LA or SF, but he had Cleveland on his "list" so he could be with Mayfield and Landry. As much as I would have wanted the Giants to shop that offer around, I don't know how far they would have gotten in reality.
Odell was never a distraction to his teammates, that was what we had heard from his former teammates over and over again. But it's a fine line between that and him turning into Antonio Brown and completely pissing off the entire organization. The Giants basically got out before it got really bad.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
He also threw quite a few inaccurately to the WR, as well.
LOL, right? Hilarious garbage.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
How'd 2017 go? How'd 2018 start? How'd the offense perform after their great 2015 season? Are you going to point to one game and tell me Eli still has it? Does he have the anti-aging wonder drug? Do players not fall off in their LATE FUCKING 30s?
Give me a break.
And besides the point that Eli is clearly "cooked", you missed the overarching point that it's quite simple for younger WRs to look around the league and 100% wish they had a more dynamic playmaker who isn't a statue that can get them the ball.
Again, answer my question - do you think elite WRs would ever put Eli in the top 15 starting QBs they'd want to play with at this point in time?
Newsflash: they wouldn't.
And yeah, Eli is cooked.
We have to eat that humongous cap hit of OBJ.
Oh and BTW, Amari Cooper got a first on his own....and remember how many people thought that the Raiders had robbed the Cowboys? Turned out he was worth it, but you get the point.
There's absolutely no way of spinning this in our favor. You want to trade OBJ? Fine. But you better get a king's ransom not only for the type of player he is, but for the cap hit you'll be suffering. We didn't get that. We got a drop in the bucket.
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What happening is a culture change, the nail on OBJ's coffin was his ill adviced public interview with little Wayne after receiving a humongous contract from the Giants organization. Also, the production on the field lacked explosiveness and again the missed games. In the offseason, he revs up the rhetoric rather than solidify his commitment to the franchise. We need to think about the state of the team, we lose a 2nd round Probowl box safety and replace him with a 1st round better-rounded safety plus a first round pick and a 3rd which we lost due to acquiring Beal in the supplemental draft. This draft is deep in Defensive prospects, also there are some interesting receivers.
If we are Giants fans we should be about the franchise, not the individual player. OBJ had a shot to create a legacy in 2016, what did he do with it? Forget about the trip to Miami, how did he perform during the playoff game? Eli was true to form, making throws trying to will the team to victory OBJ and his compadres SHIT THE BED!!! No apologies, just more immature antics. The Giants Franchise bend over backward to make him feel wanted and it wasn't enough for him to mature and become a man committing to his word and acting honorably.
It saddens me that it came to this, I really thought OBJ could handle sharing the spotlight SB but it was not to be. As great as OBJ is he is not LT, HC, MS, JT, PS, MB, RH, and many more men who took honor and pride playing for the Giants Franchise, while rewarding the fans by winning championships for them. History will remember OBJ as a star receiver for the New York Football Giants but, OBJ will never be remembered as a Giant great. That should be what this is about, not one man but one team. It is about the legacy of The New York Football Giants, people.
Excellent post
Drop the mic 🎤
Best post of the day, if not the year, about OBJ and the state of the franchise. Finally, a voice of reason.
Take a bow
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
Dude, put down the pipe.
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It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
The most delusional post I have seen yet today.
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I don’t understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and don’t trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he can’t trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok there’s dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
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blah, blah, blah...
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
Let's not forget 23-0 at home in 05.
It is going to be such a joy in 2019 watching our elite pocket quarterback actually have a pocket from which to throw... especially if we can sign Williams... And then watching Eli have his best year in a decade and actually make the pro bowl in his "retirement year"... And remarkably, he will do so without the vaunted OBJ stretching out the field - imagine that.... I can't wait to hear the "quarterback is cooked" cries when he is signed to an extension this time next year :)
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
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blah, blah, blah...
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
We’ve just let go of one of the most talented highest upside players in the league for a sub par return. People want to talk about his issues but the way we managed him, our coaching turnover, our inability to put people around him that could build a real winning roster that starts at the top and no matter how many players get run out of town for being malcontents we still have people refusing to look in the mirror and see the issues we have at the top.
Honestly I’ve been a die hard Giants fan my whole life and these last few seasons paired with the way some fans think about this team makes this whole situation so repugnant for me. We have become the Browns.
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blah, blah, blah...
The point is not whether Eli's fading. The point is that it's pretty rich to think that a guy who drops so many passes and misses so many games could be pissy about his aging QB (who's actually won something in this league and never missed a game) not being good enough for his standards.
It could be pretty entertaining to see Baker Mayfield showing up Beckham for dropping routine passes on 3rd down or being the Invisible Man in the Browns' first playoff game.
2007 was 12 years ago. 2011 was 8 years ago. Eli Manning is a sub par quarterback at this point, and is an aging legend on his last legs.
You are willfully ignoring reality if you think that Eli is a QB that elite WRs are stoked to play with.
It's not about my opinion, or yours. It's about reality and the truth.
You keep making this about Eli, even though I'm redirecting your focus to the true point -- Beckham. Don't bother responding at all if you're just going to deflect.
And we can "forget" about the 2005 playoff game against the Panthers because Eli made up for it in spades afterward. Let me know when Beckham made up for that humiliating performance in Green Bay (after putting his shirt back on and putting the camera away).
Nobody wants to play with a shot QB, and nobody wants to play with a shot QB when management consistently decides to stick with him for things that happened nearly a deecade/over a decade ago..
Eli, save for really (somewhat) 2014 and 2015, hasn't really played consistently well since the first half of 2012. Why would elite young WRs want to play with him?
All I'm saying is that likely factored into his decision that he made with his comments. It was DUMB to air them publicly in an interview with lil wayne, but I do think it was a factor
Hopefully he doesn't make up for it in a Browns uni.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
Well stated, balanced post.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Because people are idiots.
Yeah, fucking idiots man... (check the date/time)
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Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link : reply
all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
I was wrong, it happens.
Hey, how did Eli's 'kick-ass' revenge tour go last season? Oh. Nevermind.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
What difference does it make? They both sucked in their first playoff game. The difference is that's a scarlet letter for Odell and people forgot about it with Eli because he had opportunities to redeem himself later.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
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It's not so much the compensation -- I assume Gettleman knows how to operate in the trade market. He's made some fair deals (Ogletree), some good deals (Vernon, JPP) and average deals (Apple, OBJ) and a bad deal (Snacks).
But the planning and timing is what would alarm me if I were his boss.
There's no escaping the simple truth Gettleman signed Beckham, paid him 22M dollars, and then the whole thing fell apart.
This is the 2nd year in a row the Giants will operate with more than 30M in dead money. You want blame Reese for last year, sure. But this hole is Gettleman's.
He did an amazingly bad job last offseason. Good he can admit it, but oof.
You continue to gloss over that if DG let Beckham walk for nothing it would be much worse than signing and eventually trading him. I don’t understand your point about the stupid dead money? What was the alternative? Sign him and don’t trade him even if the trade was the prudent move all because he can’t trade a guy he just paid one year earlier? Ok there’s dead money... only an idiot would prefer that the alternative to this.
Read every post - DJM bravo on each of yours! Can't agree more.
The long sufferers remember its only glorious to win when the guys you rooted hard for and admire put it together and pull it off as a team.
I'm okay with an Eli farewell tour and a real rebuild to create a group I'd like to see win. Beckham wasn't getting us there alone or sticking around to be a part of it through the growing pains.
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Lost in the boat nonsense (1 week prior to a game) repeatedly is the fact that Super Bowl winner Victor Cruz was the driving force behind it all and planned it but let’s continue to lay all blame on Odell.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
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No reason to even keep Eli now.
And why would Eli even want to stay now?
Maybe because the dagger was just removed from his back?
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Beckham's comments about trepidation about being on the Giants are likely tied to the fact they kept Eli around when he's clearly cooked.
That "cooked" quarterback put an awful lot of passes right on Beckham's hands that ended up on the turf. Especially on a particular January Sunday in Green Bay. Of course, the cooked quarterback didn't take any veiled shots at Beckham. But that's just how he rolls...
Hey, what did Eli do in his first playoff game again? Oh, right, he was absolutely atrocious.
Yeah, I remember Eli taking a boat trip. Then rolling into Giants Stadium with his shirt off in warmups. Remember that?
Not to even mention the fact Eli is a QB, OBJ a WR. Totally different positions............
Who gives a crap what he or anyone wears? How old are we?
Is this elementary school?
LOL..maybe you should ask OBJ that.
He sure did act immature that entire playoff week, no?
I don't remember, but then I don't, as an adult male, worry at night what 21 year old kids do on their league-mandated days off and burn it into my memory as you apear to have.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
Lmao, time for some sleep
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
I agree Plato!
While you always hate to lose talent I am glad to see him go. I am not a fan of his antics and for all of his flash and great plays he has also cost us some games mainly because he can't control his emotions.
I am definitely in the minority but I think this could be addition by subtraction. I see more opportunities for Barkley both in run and pass plays. Less pressure on the QB to get OBJ the ball. I am excited for FA and the draft. OBJ has the potential to be one of the best but he'll remain on the cusp until he can prove to be consistent and a winner. Maybe this move will knock him down a peg and drive him to be his best or maybe he will continue to be all flash and not get his team to higher levels. He brought a lot of flash on the Giants but maybe the 1st rounder, the 3rd rounder and Peppers will bring us the wins with less flash.
how this plays out in a 2019 onward pass oriented NFL will be interesting. But it gives Eli his year or two to play action his way to HOF and for SB to begin to set his career on that path.
One year at most, and get ready for a losing record. Oh, wait. Nothing new there.
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?