Our memories of OBJ will be of some of the darkest years in team history. Yes, some of his catches were bright spots, but his absolute best, breakout games were losses for the team. It's a team sport, and we've won without divas at the WR spot. I liked Odell. Even had his jersey, and defended him here on BBI just hours before he was traded, but if the franchise thought it was time to move on, then so be it. Peppers is an AMAZING athlete who can truly do it all, and with these draft picks, we can really build a strong, young team with great chemistry in Eli's last years. And, by the way, if we were intent on a rebuild and just getting rid of everyone, Eli would be gone. We're trying to build a solid cohesive team around him. A diva WR calling for the ball every play is just not a productive part of that. Odell had his share of BAD drops too, several in his biggest game as a pro in GB. We got a hell of a lot more than PIT got for AB, and all in all we will all agree by mid-season that this was a brilliant trade. In DG we trust.
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
The point is that as great a player as he is, it's not translating to wins and losses. We have also seen some of the worst offensive units. One great player is not translating to wins so maybe with Peppers and the 2 picks it will be addition by subtraction. He has also missed 21 games already and only played 1 full season so that is a concern as well.
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from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Exactly -- I think back to the guy at the combine who didn't have his shoes to run the 40 and had to borrow someone else's. Still waiting for that guy to grow up. Something Amani Toomer once said always stuck with me -- something to the effect of he's doing all of this and he can still learn how to run better routes and refine his game -- if he ever wanted to, to become an all-time great.
his leg and mimicked pissing like a dog in the end zone when the giants were 0-2 in 2017? of just this past season, when he helped lose the carolina game with his lazy special teams brainfart in a critical moment? good times. he will be missed. LMAO.
i defended beckham up through the 2016 season but his chokejob in the GB playoff game was the beginning of the end for me. if he truly was asking for more money after being slated to make 20 mil this year then fuck him. i would've taken a 5th for him at that point.
You can not accuse Odell of its not working his ass off to be good at football. That Toomer quote is preposterous.
Maybe true -- and I don't disagree about him working hard.
Who knows if Toomer knows something. What I can tell you is that I've seen a lot of people in my years who work their ass off and for one reason or another never get appreciably better. I cringe to even say the cliche, but it's the old adage about working smarter not harder.
Hanging out with Beiber and then dropping two passes that could have led to a score in a game the Giants were absolutely dominating was just indicative of how little Beckham had invested in winning. The Giants won 2 SBs without a star receiver by having a great D, a really good running back, and a decent pocket for Eli to throw from. I think that's where Gettleman is going with the rebuild.
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Hanging out with Beiber and then dropping two passes that could have led to a score in a game the Giants were absolutely dominating was just indicative of how little Beckham had invested in winning. The Giants won 2 SBs without a star receiver by having a great D, a really good running back, and a decent pocket for Eli to throw from. I think that's where Gettleman is going with the rebuild.
Wut? The team with Plax, Toomer and the burgeoning Smith "didn't have a star WR?"
And ROTFLMAO if you double down on that for the Nicks + Cruz + MM team. Doesn't Nicks still own the most yards by a receiver in a series of playoff games in 1 season? Wan't Cruz a Pro Bowler?
WTF are you remembering? Or misremembering?
Not to mention - much to Eli's credit - that 2011 OL was shit on a shingle. Not only didn't Eli have a pocket to throw from in the NFC championship game, he didn't have a change purse large enough to hold 2 dimes and a nickle. You need to check out some tape and get a clue.
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they basically got what the Raiders got for Khalil Mack for a player who has far more risks. He misses more games, relies on skills that have a shorter shelf life (elite speed + athleticism), and doesn't always set the best example. I hated the Mack trade for the Raiders because he is exactly the type of cornerstone you want in your lockerroom, this one is more even value for both sides in my mind.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
Good post. My concern is with the injuries he’s had the last two seasons.
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hurt by inane nonsense like the kicking net uproar or his touchdown celebrations.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
Wellington Mara was a fantastic owner. John Mara has barely been tested yet. He may very well turn out to be an awful NFL owner. Having a thin skin with OBJ doing s stupid Lil Wayne interview after excepting his money may very well be his downfall when we look back.
but the longer I think about it, the more this trade makes sense - longterm. We will have a rookie QB starting either this year or next year. So in essence we're looking at two more years of not contending. I have no idea if Beckham wouldn't have duplicated Antonio Brown's move. But trading him a year or two years from now would probably have resulted in fewer picks in return.
There are a lot of angles to consider, talent-wise, in regard to team culiding and the locker room culture, cap-wise. The additional first rounder could also lead us to drafting Dillard or someone else as our RT of the future without having to shell out 10 to 12 mio. a year to a FA RT.
Or we could load up on the defensive line or draft a CB to replace Jenkins in a year or two.
In essence, if the plan is to make the Giants relevant again in three years, this was probably the correct move. Short-term it hurts and hate to lose a Giant as electric as Beckham.
The team is rebuilding and building around two offensive skills positions is not good team construction.
That said, what doesn’t calculate is that they signed the guy to a huge contract, go on the record stating they didn’t sign him to trade him, then turn around and trade him. This has been the most confused rebuild from the start. A sense of some overall plan is lacking here. Why fail to trade Collins when they had the chance then let him walk for nothing? Why sign Odell to huge contract then trade him in first year?
Wishy washy comes to mind.
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having a young QB throw to Beckham. In fact, they had already signed a top wide receiver last year in Landry when they were still in the midst of their "rebuild". Their recent success is just evidence that you don't have to implode your entire team and jettison veteran talent while you're in the process of figuring out how to get the team competitive again. These moves that the Giants have been making have more of a feel of panic than it does of planning.
Pittsburgh got a 3rd and a 5th for Antonio Brown. The Giants, by contrast, should get 5 or 6 starters in this deal, between Peppers, the draft picks and the cap relief.
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Eric on Li delivering some of the best, most balanced posts on this thread. Well done.
guy did a lot for the franchise - gets a quick call from Gettleman - "Hey, you're going to Cleveland." Pretty classless if that's how it happened.
What should he have done, brought him out to lunch to break the news? If Mara and Gettleman were fed up, that’s on beckham and getting a phone call is what was deserved.
I really liked Beckham, I didn’t want him traded but it sounds like he was going to start dictating how business should be ran. He got traded, end of story.
from Beckham were a lot less about his celebrations + interviews and a lot more about when he made himself into the main attraction, got overhyped, and made costly mistakes that cost the team games. Drops, penalties, lack of concentration. I don't give a shit that he talked trash against Norman. I do give a shit that he dropped a wide open TD on the first drive of the game. I don't give a shit about his boat trip. I do give a shit about his drops in the GB game.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
You can isolate on the dropped TD if you want, but since when is that a mortal sin? It's not enough that he's a top 5 player, there's no room for not catching every pass? That's a strange standard, that he has to be perfect.
In that same game, he also played out of his mind after that point and tied the game in the clutch with a massive play.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
the posters here saying that "Peppers is the other 1st rounder," when trying to justify the return. He is not, he has burned 2 years off of his rookie deal already, and we only have him for 2 more at a cost controlled rate, before the 5th year option. Most of the major benefit of a new 1st round pick is having those 4 years, and Peppers does not. I don't see that as equal, especially when his play has been a tick above average (really only recently).
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Antonio Brown went for what? OJB went for what? We have the 6th, 17th and 38th. Hmmm.
Evidently, star receivers are not that valuable.
Meanwhile, I recommend the G-men acquire free agent Keven White, trade their 38th to Arizona for Josh Rosen and use the 6th and 17th pick for DEFENSE starting with Sweatz.
are two of the best wrs in the game.
steelers get a 3 and 5 for AB
giants get a 1, 3, and a good safety.
apparently there must of been other factors that led to this beckham trade. so is this trade as bad as many are saying it is?
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Shockey saying they won nothing with him is just a fact. Doesn’t mean it was his fault, just that it wasn’t working.
I m really surprised that the majority of posters here are being so negative
Plax ended that offense early. We never got to see Smith and Nicks together in their prime. Same for Nicks and Cruz. And Cruz and Odell. Now Odell and Barkley has been taken away.
My fear now is that the Giants will use the two 1st rounders to move up for a QB and that QB ends up as a bust.
I would feel better if they trade down with the 6th, perhaps the 17th for draft capital in 2020. But, chances of that are slim to none.
it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given OBJ a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
Let's look at two scenarios. Scenario 1 is what would have happened if they hadn't given OBJ a long-term deal and franchised him for 2019. (Remember, the Giants didn't use their franchise tag this offseason.) Scenario 2 is what actually happened.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
The cap issues are meaningless compared to the comparison of what we could have traded OBJ for last year, coming off the injury, versus now.
We could have PERHAPS gotten a 1st for him. Now we've gotten a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers, along with a ton of cap space next season.
I'm not in love with the trade, but I think we did better than if we'd either traded him last year or franchised him (because if he was a headache with a huge new contract, imagine what he would have been like playing under the tag).
get their ER at #6 and an OT prospect at #17, they will have solidified two major weaknesses.
Now they need two WRs, and SS isn't far from his walk year in the slot.
Things change on a dime in the NFL. Fans here thought the defense would wreak havoc after 2016 ... never happened. OB in the HoF wearing Giants Blue? Probably not gonna happen.
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Which fucking one is it?
Last pick in the round.
How did the Giant's not get a 1st a 2nd and Peppers at the very least. Not even the top 3rd round pick :(
It's two 11 man units working together. That kind of reductive reasoning doesnt even represent the sport. The history of the NFL is littered with great players who didnt win championship because their teams werent any good. Archie Manning's career record is what?
The point is that as great a player as he is, it's not translating to wins and losses. We have also seen some of the worst offensive units. One great player is not translating to wins so maybe with Peppers and the 2 picks it will be addition by subtraction. He has also missed 21 games already and only played 1 full season so that is a concern as well.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Exactly -- I think back to the guy at the combine who didn't have his shoes to run the 40 and had to borrow someone else's. Still waiting for that guy to grow up. Something Amani Toomer once said always stuck with me -- something to the effect of he's doing all of this and he can still learn how to run better routes and refine his game -- if he ever wanted to, to become an all-time great.
i defended beckham up through the 2016 season but his chokejob in the GB playoff game was the beginning of the end for me. if he truly was asking for more money after being slated to make 20 mil this year then fuck him. i would've taken a 5th for him at that point.
good riddance.
Maybe true -- and I don't disagree about him working hard.
Who knows if Toomer knows something. What I can tell you is that I've seen a lot of people in my years who work their ass off and for one reason or another never get appreciably better. I cringe to even say the cliche, but it's the old adage about working smarter not harder.
Wut? The team with Plax, Toomer and the burgeoning Smith "didn't have a star WR?"
And ROTFLMAO if you double down on that for the Nicks + Cruz + MM team. Doesn't Nicks still own the most yards by a receiver in a series of playoff games in 1 season? Wan't Cruz a Pro Bowler?
WTF are you remembering? Or misremembering?
Not to mention - much to Eli's credit - that 2011 OL was shit on a shingle. Not only didn't Eli have a pocket to throw from in the NFC championship game, he didn't have a change purse large enough to hold 2 dimes and a nickle. You need to check out some tape and get a clue.
I don't know if this is a good move, but I understand it and will hope for the best. I never loved Peppers, but I have hopes that he can do a lot of what Collins did. The #17 pick in this draft could be an excellent player. Christian Wilkins. Brian Burns. Ed Oliver. Devin Bush. Whoever. We now have a chance to add 2 top flight young players under cheap team control. The 3rd round pick is another top 100 player. And in the future there's more cap space.
Like everyone with eyes I will miss watch OBJ do amazing things. I will not miss some of the silliness. And I will not miss all the losing we've done the past several years if Gettleman can get the team to turn the corner and win some games.
Good post. My concern is with the injuries he’s had the last two seasons.
It's one of the dumbest phenomena I've ever seen. I know it's possible to have seen these things, then not think about it 10 minutes after the game is over, and yet it gets talked about so much you'd think people have a personal stake in it.
I don’t get how grown men do these things.
Peppers was a No. 1 pick.
There are a lot of angles to consider, talent-wise, in regard to team culiding and the locker room culture, cap-wise. The additional first rounder could also lead us to drafting Dillard or someone else as our RT of the future without having to shell out 10 to 12 mio. a year to a FA RT.
Or we could load up on the defensive line or draft a CB to replace Jenkins in a year or two.
In essence, if the plan is to make the Giants relevant again in three years, this was probably the correct move. Short-term it hurts and hate to lose a Giant as electric as Beckham.
That said, what doesn’t calculate is that they signed the guy to a huge contract, go on the record stating they didn’t sign him to trade him, then turn around and trade him. This has been the most confused rebuild from the start. A sense of some overall plan is lacking here. Why fail to trade Collins when they had the chance then let him walk for nothing? Why sign Odell to huge contract then trade him in first year?
Wishy washy comes to mind.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
Eric on Li delivering some of the best, most balanced posts on this thread. Well done.
What should he have done, brought him out to lunch to break the news? If Mara and Gettleman were fed up, that’s on beckham and getting a phone call is what was deserved.
I really liked Beckham, I didn’t want him traded but it sounds like he was going to start dictating how business should be ran. He got traded, end of story.
sometimes you part ways with an employee - generally good thing to try and be professional and classy when its' done.
Even as bad as we've been he won us more games than he lost for sure, but his inability to grow up was frustrating.
You can isolate on the dropped TD if you want, but since when is that a mortal sin? It's not enough that he's a top 5 player, there's no room for not catching every pass? That's a strange standard, that he has to be perfect.
In that same game, he also played out of his mind after that point and tied the game in the clutch with a massive play.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Evidently, star receivers are not that valuable.
Meanwhile, I recommend the G-men acquire free agent Keven White, trade their 38th to Arizona for Josh Rosen and use the 6th and 17th pick for DEFENSE starting with Sweatz.
steelers get a 3 and 5 for AB
giants get a 1, 3, and a good safety.
apparently there must of been other factors that led to this beckham trade. so is this trade as bad as many are saying it is?
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Shockey saying they won nothing with him is just a fact. Doesn’t mean it was his fault, just that it wasn’t working.
I m really surprised that the majority of posters here are being so negative
My fear now is that the Giants will use the two 1st rounders to move up for a QB and that QB ends up as a bust.
I would feel better if they trade down with the 6th, perhaps the 17th for draft capital in 2020. But, chances of that are slim to none.
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In comment 14329264 holmancomedown said:
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In comment 14329147 Dry Lightning said:
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
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In comment 14330698 holmancomedown said:
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In comment 14329147 Dry Lightning said:
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it was the only move. Yes, I would have like to get more in return. Instead of the dumb drama, look at this with logic. What we get out of this move is cap space, a first round starting safety with cost controls for three years, another first round pick, and a third round pick which was missing. We give up a soon to be 27 year old WR who is a great player. Who is often hurt, and didn't seem quite back to normal last year after a serious injury. A player who is a constant distraction both on (remember his suspension?), and off the field. A player who we NEVER won a playoff game with, and had one winning season out of five. Will the player and picks turn out equal to Beckham? Probably not. But we could never win with Beckham. He's a cancer. Now the Browns have a great player. And their locker room has the cancer. I think Dave Gettleman is a very smart and courageous guy. He did all Giants fans a favor today. The sad part is that most (not all) of those fans are too stupid to know it.
Best thing written on this site. Well stated sir.
Yes! Bravo!
Anyone calling Odell Beckham a cancer cannot be taken seriously. And the least intelligent thing anyone can write is some version of "Well, we didn't win anything with him" as if he was the main reason why as opposed to a defense that has been bottom of the sport awful 4 of the past 5 seasons.
Clearly you are a fan of brainless out of control players. Some of us are not.
ironic usage of brainless.
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
Scenario 1: $8.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $8.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $0 in dead money on the 2019 cap
Scenario 2: $21.5 million paid to Beckham in cash, $5.5 million on the Giants' 2019 cap, $16 million in dead money on the 2019 cap
wow...
The cap issues are meaningless compared to the comparison of what we could have traded OBJ for last year, coming off the injury, versus now.
We could have PERHAPS gotten a 1st for him. Now we've gotten a 1st, 3rd, and Peppers, along with a ton of cap space next season.
I'm not in love with the trade, but I think we did better than if we'd either traded him last year or franchised him (because if he was a headache with a huge new contract, imagine what he would have been like playing under the tag).
Now they need two WRs, and SS isn't far from his walk year in the slot.
Things change on a dime in the NFL. Fans here thought the defense would wreak havoc after 2016 ... never happened. OB in the HoF wearing Giants Blue? Probably not gonna happen.