Peppers Is A Player

Thanks Kwall.

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Yeah, this part is kind of being overlooked.

I actually don't think I hate this trade at all the more I think about it.

to get a quality player in JP..

Best thing I can say about him

which the Giants can use when needed.

7 – Jabrill Peppers – 5’11/213 – Michigan: 79

Summary: Third year sophomore entry. Had a ton of buzz surrounding him out of high school. Was jostled around position-wise but spent the majority of his snaps at linebacker in 2016. Peppers is a jack-of-all trades prospect, almost to a fault. There is no denying that his ability with the ball in his hands is elite. However, as a defensive prospect, there are several holes in his game. There may not be enough skills and instincts for the defensive backfield, and there aren’t any linebackers at his size. Drafting Peppers will be a risk for a few reasons, the main one being trying to choose what he is best at and let him develop from there.

*Here it is. The most polarizing prospect in the entire draft. So much of me wants to say this kid is a top 5 player and will impact the league multiple ways for a decade. The other side tells me he isn’t a football player. He has been a superior athlete at that’s what made him a quality asset to a team. Now he is entering a league where, to be frank, he is slightly above average athletically. I can speak about Peppers for hours but to sum it up, he is a guy without a true position. That can be a good thing in the right scheme, or a bad thing in the wrong scheme. And I will take this to my grave…he would be a better RB in the league than defensive player. While he doesn’t meet the grade for #23 overall…it would be exciting to see this kid in blue.

of in last year's draft. Kid can play.

He is a sneaky good addition and can be a core piece of the defensive rebuild and youth movement.

Bethea is a very good tutor for him too.

At the expense of actual performance. Peppers is nothing noteworthy, just another in the very long line of overrated Michigan players.

He's a rare talent but he's got some issues including the injury concern (he was still explosive but a notch lower).

But Peppers is a very good player and only 23. If he was a FA right now he would get HUGE money.

We need the first to pay off. If that happens we're OK and we move keep building. Build the team around Barkley. Engram came on. But the defense is scary.

We got a 1st, a proven player that is a first and a third. I would feel a lot better if that third was a second. Otherwise I am not as upset as I should be.

Did missing out on him to Tampa help make this trade happen? Boy i hope not.

In comment 14328754 Sammo85 said:

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He is a sneaky good addition and can be a core piece of the defensive rebuild and youth movement. Bethea is a very good tutor for him too.

I told you guys that's why they signed Bethea.

2019 os gunna fuckin rawk!

OK.

move outside more (think Funches) and a more two way TE will be added to the roster.

A very athletic safety. I don’t care. It’s not enough.

In comment 14328795 SHO'NUFF said:

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In comment 14328754 Sammo85 said: Quote: He is a sneaky good addition and can be a core piece of the defensive rebuild and youth movement. Bethea is a very good tutor for him too. I told you guys that's why they signed Bethea.

Peppers isn't a rookie, so no. You didn't.

Try again?

will be the moneybacker. Could be really dangerous there.

In comment 14328706 Matt G said:

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Ditto... Haven't followed him much in Cleveland though.

Sy got the football player part wrong -- this kid is a very very good versatile football player and makes terrific coverage and blitz plays

In comment 14328795 SHO'NUFF said:

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In comment 14328754 Sammo85 said: Quote: He is a sneaky good addition and can be a core piece of the defensive rebuild and youth movement. Bethea is a very good tutor for him too. I told you guys that's why they signed Bethea.

Very good point.

In comment 14328797 KWALL2 said:

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OK.

I am with you and your assessment. Too many here act like they just have answers that football people don't have. Peppers will be a big rover, a guy who can be an attacker and a ball hawk if needed. For those wanting Collins back so badly here is your fucking upgrade!

Dear god, the blind love of some here is crazy. OBJ did some amazing things, some amazingly bizarre things and some very frustrating things...

FWIW

And some free safeties in the draft. My guess we are not done yet.

You guys will feel better when it's all O 2020.

It's the position he's best suited for.

So the Giants traded a generational talent for picks and an ok safety.

Wonderful

If that’s what counts to Gettleman as getting a haul, this team is fucked.

For OBJ?

makes this deal 2 first rounders and a 3rd. Peppers is a fine player and everyone knows we needed a 1st rate center fielder in a bad way. Great for our secondary.

I can hardly wait to see who we get for pick #17 and the 3rd rounder.

He was a phenom running back. He is a football player not a track guy but with track speed.

because teams weren't sure what position he could play. Apparently, the Giants love him.

In comment 14329017 mrvax said:

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makes this deal 2 first rounders and a 3rd. Peppers is a fine player and everyone knows we needed a 1st rate center fielder in a bad way. Great for our secondary. I can hardly wait to see who we get for pick #17 and the 3rd rounder.

Oh please, just stop, seriously. The deal is a player and picks. Don’t try to correlate a player who has already played in the NFL as pick. That’s nonsense.

In comment 14328831 gidiefor said:

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Sy got the football player part wrong -- this kid is a very very good versatile football player and makes terrific coverage and blitz plays

Bettcher finally gets a dynamic toy that he will enjoy utilizing moreso than LC in his particular scheme.

In comment 14328981 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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For OBJ?

Good point - and Antrel was a key player in our last Superbowl run

So the Riley hole is still out there....

As for Peppers? 2 int's and 8 passes defended in 29 games he started....

Awesome!

too

In comment 14329017 mrvax said:

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makes this deal 2 first rounders and a 3rd. Peppers is a fine player and everyone knows we needed a 1st rate center fielder in a bad way. Great for our secondary. I can hardly wait to see who we get for pick #17 and the 3rd rounder.

Thanks, Graziano

Punt returner.

Derwin James was fantastic in LA this past year - I am guessing we'll have Peppers doing a lot of the same things here.

OBJ is a great player but that doesn’t make Peppers something less. And why does what Sy says get so much truck? We (rightly) kill scouts and pundits all the time around here because (spoiler alert) they aren’t always right. Peppers is gonna be difference maker on the our defense for years to come. And maybe he won’t be a world class douchebag.

In comment 14328749 Eric from BBI said:

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7 – Jabrill Peppers – 5’11/213 – Michigan: 79

Sy also had Byron Jones as a 4th round pick. So Take it with a lot, a real lot, of salt.

In comment 14328747 jvm52106 said:

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which the Giants can use when needed.

The problem is that they very likely won't even have him do so, because the Giants are stupid at special teams.

Good get.

Question: does his 5th year option as a 1st rounder transfer to the Giants or is it null and void with the trade?

and that's a beautiful thing for a safety.

Welcome aboard, Jabrill.

Like Gettleman, Dorsey is undoing everything his predecessors did. To give you some examples:


1. Deshone Kizer was taken in the second round in 2017 by a different regime. He was traded for an excellent S in Damarious Randall

2. Danny Shelton was a first round pick in 2015. He was traded along with a fifth rounder for a third rounder in May 2018.

3. Cody Kessler was a third round pick in 2016. He was traded for a seventh rounder. As was Shon Coleman, who was also a third round pick in 2016.

4. Corey Coleman was a first round pick in 2016. He was traded for a seventh rounder.




You may like Peppers the player, but I'm not convinced that Dorsey sees Peppers as a first round pick.

In comment 14328797 KWALL2 said:

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OK.

You have to excuse him, virginia fans dont really kniw what football players actually look like. But their bball team could probably play killer d on the field. Save them fro being the only 1st seed to lose to a 16

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A Bettcher type of player though, you can slot him anywhere to throw off an offense. He's not a world beater, but he's young, fast, cheap and can compete in a lot of places. I'm just not going to sit here and cry about the return or Odell being gone, let's see what we have and keep building.

This kid is young, he can hit in the box, he can fucking cover in the pass happy NFL, he can blitz and he can return punts. He fills a position of real need at what the Washington team just made an overpriced FA market. I mean, this kid is a player on a really thin defense. In fact, is Peppers the best player on the Giants defense? Maybe.

In comment 14329926 KDubbs said:

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In comment 14328797 KWALL2 said: Quote: OK. You have to excuse him, virginia fans dont really kniw what football players actually look like. But their bball team could probably play killer d on the field. Save them fro being the only 1st seed to lose to a 16

Hi dupe!

he might be used in this D like Mathieu in AZ. Sounds pretty similar overall even if their not exactly the same player