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jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:31 pm
basically said things really started to shift after the interview with Little Wayne.. Then at trading deadline teams called Gmen about OBJ and TISCH said no. He loved OBJ. As the season wore on and OBJ was not around the last 4 weeks Tisch moved to the side of Mara and DG that OBJ had to go.

Basically said Giants would have traded him last offs eason but PS wanted to keep him. Talked to him and felt they were on the same page but things changed as the season started.
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Great  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:37 pm : link
here comes the non stop Barkley whining. Can’t wait.
RE: Great  
Mr. Bungle : 3/12/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14329649 UConn4523 said:
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here comes the non stop Barkley whining. Can’t wait.

There was, like, a 3 or 4-day break from it. That wasn't enough for you?
RE: At this point, they should consider  
mattlawson : 3/12/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14329353 ArlingtonMike said:
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.


who the fuck is going to catch the ball?!
No, but it isn’t surprising  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:43 pm : link
trading Barkley sounds like a really novel idea but there’s 2 issues. 1, this is a business and even in a losing season people will flock to see him play. 2, they unknowns of what the picks back would amount to.

I’m completely on board with getting anyone out that isn’t part of the future for whatever we can get for them. If that’s executed than keeping Barkley and paying him when the time comes won’t matter. Everyone is so worried about paying him when RB contracts are still relatively cheap, and we will need players like him to compete in the short and long term.

It’s just one of those ideas that makes it sounds so smart, when it really isn’t. Too much downside and the upside isn’t all that great.
I am just laughing at some of the comments..  
EricJ : 3/12/2019 10:50 pm : link
and I mentioned this in the other thread.

We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.

If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
Model after the Rangers  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:51 pm : link
And focus on growing the youth. Guys at the end of their contract should be sent packing unless they are part of long term plans. 2019 is a throw away. They are going to be lucky to win 5 games with or without guys like Sterling Shepard, who is a nice complimentary player. He’s A Gettleman type of guy with great character and effort. I love the guy. But I don’t want to invest 10M in him long term. Next year is going to suck anyway so look to the future.
If they end up going with Eli  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:52 pm : link
This year I will have completely lost faith. Have to believe there’s a bigger plan.
RE: RE: What if they turn #6 and #17 in to Bosa or Allen  
The 12th Man : 3/12/2019 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14329463 The_Boss said:
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Wonder how some will feel here at that point?????



I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.


If they turn the 6th and 17th into Haskins and he is bust this team will be put into the doldrums for a decade. Gettleman better get this right.
RE: If the Giants  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


We get it, you are a broken record. People disagree with you, it’s ok.
RE: If the Giants  
WillVAB : 3/12/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


Yea kind of like Sony Michel and James White.
RE: If the Giants  
Rflairr : 3/12/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


They hired the wrong GM.
No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 10:58 pm : link
This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
RE: ...  
djm : 3/12/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14328945 BleedBlue said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable



Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.
RE: funny  
Scuzzlebutt : 3/12/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14329592 bc4life said:
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all reports from the players was that he was a great teammate


Everyone said that about T.O. and he ended up bouncing around the league because he was too much of a diva.
RE: I am just laughing at some of the comments..  
Enzo : 3/12/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14329768 EricJ said:
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and I mentioned this in the other thread.

We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.

If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.

using this logic, no GM ever makes a bad trade. Ok!
Britt in VA  
GRBlue : 3/12/2019 11:04 pm : link
Isn't this what we were ridiculed for saying?

The interview changed it all. PS thought he could handle him. Got his deal then when off the rails.

They will be fine without him. Will find a top notch receiver and 26 can carry the load on and off the field. Kid is a pro, OBJ could learn from the way he handles success.

By all accounts he’s a great teammate  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 11:06 pm : link
No reason to question that. He didn’t piss off his teammates, he irked the owners after they gave him huge money. That stupid interview was likely the beginning of the end with Tisch.
RE: No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
JPinstripes : 3/12/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14329818 jcn56 said:
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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.


I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.
Everyone take a breath  
Emil : 3/12/2019 11:07 pm : link
I was one of the biggest OBJ fans here and I would never have traded him but let’s pump the brakes a little.

Yes this sucks. Yes the Giants offense just lost the best receiving threat in the league. (My opinion)

But it’s not like the Giants offense couldn’t put up points without OBJ last season. With the huge exception of the Tennessee game (which was a rain storm) the offense played well when OBJ was out of the lineup and was arguably more explosive. Also, the coaching staff seemed to discover the matchup nightmare that is Evan Engram. Finally, they actually started using Barkley in a more dynamic manner. Getting him down the field in the pass game.

I’m not saying it’s good OBJ is gone. I’d never say that. He is the best WR I’ve seen since Randy Moss. But perhaps it’s worth considering that the offense runs best through Saquon and Barkley? Just putting it out there.

Count me as one who thinks this means Eli isn’t back. I don’t think Eli has the tools to implement Schurmurs offense in its full entirety and whomever the next QB is, will have the ability to do just that. The only thing I’m really worried about going forward is how Gettleman will be perceived in the locker room. Not paying Collins was the right move. Trading OBJ for about 75% of what he’s worth, time will tell, but it’s a hard pill to swallow.

Going to be an interesting six or so weeks!
I'm really curious  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/12/2019 11:08 pm : link
as to what SF was offering for Beckham.
More information  
Thegratefulhead : 3/12/2019 11:08 pm : link
We are only the scratching the surface. A whole shit ton of information is going to come out in the next few weeks and everyone here is at acting like we know exactly what is going on it's fucking hilarious really. The only reason obj did that interview with Lil Wayne is because he didn't want to be here. you don't think Beckham is Media savvy enough to know that when asked about your two time super bowl-winning fan beloved quarterback you overwhelmingly back him up. PA Leeze! the Giants wanted him gone and Beckham didn't want to be here. This was the best offer we were going to get and DG before we got Antonio Brown ed. Ingram was much more productive without obj around both seasons. Berkeley did not do bad without obj. Did you believe going forward there was going to be enough touches for obj if the offense goes through Barkley. I'm not saying I agree with the trade I'm just saying they're probably reasons that we don't know about dot-dot-dot yet.
Meant Saquon and Engram  
Emil : 3/12/2019 11:09 pm : link
Sorry
Barkley and his 3 year shelf life posts  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 11:09 pm : link
are ones I can’t take seriously. We didn’t pick him to just play on his rookie deal. He’s in our future plans. The NFL still revolves around TOP, and giving your defense rest. He’s also not just a running back.

I’m not going to bother with any more than that. If you want to trade him, go ahead and pound your keyboard I guess. If you’re wrong, you win anyway.
Just not enough back  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2019 11:13 pm : link
I can live with trading OBJ seeing he didn’t want to be here and I don’t want another ABrown, but why couldn’t we have gotten a 1,2, and Peppers.

I’m also surprised we had to take their second third round pick. Talk about playing hardball and we bit.

I know Pitt traded Brown for only a 3 rd and 5th pick but I think that was much different. Don’t you?
RE: Barkley and his 3 year shelf life posts  
Emil : 3/12/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14329914 UConn4523 said:
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are ones I can’t take seriously. We didn’t pick him to just play on his rookie deal. He’s in our future plans. The NFL still revolves around TOP, and giving your defense rest. He’s also not just a running back.

I’m not going to bother with any more than that. If you want to trade him, go ahead and pound your keyboard I guess. If you’re wrong, you win anyway.


It’s like no one watched the Super Bowl champs this year...
RE: RE: No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14329889 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14329818 jcn56 said:


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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.



I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.


You thought this was a good trade - trust me, you're knee deep in stupid thoughts and shouldn't be looking elsewhere for them.
It is way more than 3 players  
Chip : 3/12/2019 11:17 pm : link
It is also the players that come from 20 mil in cap space savings. You trade away a 20 mil a year player and sign another one plus the draft picks and Peppers.
RE: and PS  
Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14329584 mittenedman said:
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Beckham didn't give a F#ck about the Giants.

Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
This is an archaic mindset. so outdated and out of touch with the current times and reality in general.
RE: It is way more than 3 players  
Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14329981 Chip said:
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It is also the players that come from 20 mil in cap space savings. You trade away a 20 mil a year player and sign another one plus the draft picks and Peppers.
You want cap savings? Eli should have been cut then.
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jcn56 : 3/12/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14329822 djm said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable




Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.


The rumors at the time of his extension were for roughly the same in return - and that was before the Giants took the risk of extending him post injury, and without the enormous cap hit they're going to eat now.

So there's every reason to believe the Giants were hosed.

Just another in a long line of stupid decisions dating back to 2012, which have been accelerating in the past couple of years.
RE: and PS  
giantsFC : 3/12/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14329584 mittenedman said:
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Beckham didn't give a F#ck about the Giants.

Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.

this is a very underrated point I forget about. He really could have cared less about the team. But then again, most diva stars are like that these days. And sometimes I can't blame them...see Steve Smith in Carolina.
The owners are morons and that was seen clearly during the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/12/2019 11:20 pm : link
Eli/McAdoo debacle. Experienced people make a situation better... they don't allow an interview with Lil Wayne to dictate the direction of their franchise.
RE: RE: RE: No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
JPinstripes : 3/12/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14329977 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14329818 jcn56 said:


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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.



I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.



You thought this was a good trade - trust me, you're knee deep in stupid thoughts and shouldn't be looking elsewhere for them.


No - your suggestion of NYG trading Barkley now based on the OBJ outcome is the dumbest post I have ever seen on this board.
RE: Name one New York Giant player  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/12/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.


Good post. I hope saquon is paying attention to how premier players are treated by mgmt on the NYG
RE: Name one New York Giant player  
santacruzom : 3/12/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.


Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
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Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14330042 santacruzom said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?


The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.
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jestersdead : 3/12/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14330057 Sonic Youth said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?



The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.

Pretty sure there is a difference between "team player" and "teammates like him"

Everyone is judging this trade today. It won't be judge for three years and that all depends on what players are brought it with the picks.

San Diego fans still think they got the better of the Eli/Rivers trade, yet they dont have 2 super bowls and the only one left on their team from the trade is Rivers. Give it a couple months to see what goes along with it
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Scuzzlebutt : 3/12/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14330039 OBJ_AllDay said:
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In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:


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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.



Good post. I hope saquon is paying attention to how premier players are treated by mgmt on the NYG


OBJ was treated fine. They paid him a shitload of money and then traded him when it was clear he didn’t want to be here anymore. OBJ got everything he wanted.
Did someone really say  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 11:40 pm : link
Irvin was better for the locker room than Odell? The same Irivin who put the blade of a scissor to a teammates throat?
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GiantGrit : 3/12/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14330057 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:


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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?



The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.


Odell is an awesome talent.

Also -
Has injury concerns
Got paid well
Decided to do a national interview (team didn’t know) and made an ass out of himself and the team where he questioned his future with the team
Per good inside info here, milked an injury at the end of the year

Hate we gave up a talent? Ok
Don’t like the compensation? Ok
Pretending like he was a saint and didn’t have baggage, pretending the Giants didn’t try desperately to make this work? Bullshit.
RE: I am just laughing at some of the comments..  
Giants_Rock : 3/12/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14329768 EricJ said:
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and I mentioned this in the other thread.

We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.

If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.


If we had a lot of depth at WR then trading him would make more sense. But as it is we now have another position that's in major need of repair and on top of that we're paying 16M for Odell to play elsewhere. DG needs to go and he needs to go soon.
RE: If the Giants  
djm : 3/12/2019 11:59 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


Bullshit.
The weight some people give to meaningless bullshit  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 12:01 am : link
Like interviews and press conferences is laughable
RE: If the Giants  
Mr. Bungle : 3/13/2019 12:09 am : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.

The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
RE: RE: If the Giants  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:


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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.


Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants  
Mr. Bungle : 3/13/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14330266 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:


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In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:


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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.



Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.

Did those teams "lose a shit ton of games"?
RE: RE: If the Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:
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The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.


Lofty goals.
RE: RE: Name one New York Giant player  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2019 12:14 am : link
In comment 14330042 santacruzom said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?


pardon my not being PC, but that's a retarded comment...
Don't apologize for calling a spade a spade.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 12:15 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: If the Giants  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 12:18 am : link
In comment 14330274 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:


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In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:


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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.



Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.


Did those teams "lose a shit ton of games"?


They didn't win anything with their high priced RB did they? Want to know why? Look at their QBs.
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