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jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:31 pm
basically said things really started to shift after the interview with Little Wayne.. Then at trading deadline teams called Gmen about OBJ and TISCH said no. He loved OBJ. As the season wore on and OBJ was not around the last 4 weeks Tisch moved to the side of Mara and DG that OBJ had to go.

Basically said Giants would have traded him last offs eason but PS wanted to keep him. Talked to him and felt they were on the same page but things changed as the season started.
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BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 9:32 pm : link
fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable
He went on to say that  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:33 pm : link
the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
LOL.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/12/2019 9:33 pm : link
Lil Wayne influencing NFL moves.

2019 baby!
trade him, fine  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 9:33 pm : link
but for what we got in return? really?
Jay Glazer  
antdog24 : 3/12/2019 9:34 pm : link
He's the best in the business... he called it, I said on that thread, if Glazer is reporting it that makes me worry. Fucker was right...
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jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14328945 BleedBlue said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable


Because you don't write checks for these guys. The Giants got two picks and a 1st rd pick from 2 years ago a position of absolute need.
RE: trade him, fine  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14328964 SHO'NUFF said:
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but for what we got in return? really?



i agree. im okay moving him but wish it was for more
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Anakim : 3/12/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14328953 jvm52106 said:
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.


Saquon is amazing, but he's one player. This isn't the NBA where you can win with one guy and a supporting cast. This is a true team sport. You need talent.
RE: trade him, fine  
mattyblue : 3/12/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14328964 SHO'NUFF said:
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but for what we got in return? really?


This is the exact point. Even if you hate Beckham you don’t trade him for what we got. We should have waited for a bigger return.
OBJ may be 1 of the greatest WR talents ever ... but ...  
Spider56 : 3/12/2019 9:35 pm : link
He’s yet to learn to control and manage his emotions.

His all in style leaves him prone to injury.

His on field antics are an embarrassment.

I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.

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BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14328988 Anakim said:
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



Saquon is amazing, but he's one player. This isn't the NBA where you can win with one guy and a supporting cast. This is a true team sport. You need talent.



exactly. barkley is good but he will see 8 man + boxes all next year. teams will run blitz literally every down. 2019 is going to be a fucking shitshow
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section125 : 3/12/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14328945 BleedBlue said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable


the mere fact that they did not get more makes it arguable....
Again, look at what Glazer is saying  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:36 pm : link
the team was ready to move from OBJ last offseason but Shurmur wanted to keep him. Spoke with him and felt OBJ was on the same page with him. THings changed quickly and we really don't know all the shit behind the scenes.
RE: trade him, fine  
Sean : 3/12/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14328964 SHO'NUFF said:
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but for what we got in return? really?


I think we got a good haul. This is a guy who has missed 15 games in the last 2 years. We have a ton of picks. It’s about time this franchise stops appeasing the fans.
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BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14328999 section125 said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable



the mere fact that they did not get more makes it arguable....


yes because its impossible for a GM to take less than worth lol
They have no vision  
UberAlias : 3/12/2019 9:36 pm : link
Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.
So Glazer was right a few weeks back about  
BBelle21 : 3/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
Odell getting traded. Don’t understand the uproar. If the Giants traded Barkley, I would think they all lost their minds. Odell, not at all. Strengthen the Oline, pass rush, keep Eli for the transition and bring in the next franchise QB that they fall in love with into a situation where he’ll be protected and can function.
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BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
if #17 flops...we lost this trade by six miles
RE: He went on to say that  
Chris in Philly : 3/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14328953 jvm52106 said:
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.


That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Loved him but  
Jay in Toronto : 3/12/2019 9:37 pm : link
Was worried about injuries.

Flummexed we didn't get more

The Athletic gave Browns A and us a D
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section125 : 3/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



Saquon is amazing, but he's one player. This isn't the NBA where you can win with one guy and a supporting cast. This is a true team sport. You need talent.




exactly. barkley is good but he will see 8 man + boxes all next year. teams will run blitz literally every down. 2019 is going to be a fucking shitshow


You mean like last year? Saquon saw 8 in the box most of the time and he did pretty good when Odell was hurt.
Hmm, I see things differently  
jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
as look at the past 4/5 Super Bowl winners. They are well balanced with multiple weapons but no "superstar", especially at WR.. We got a good return considering where things are at.

You can't keep a guy if you feel his presence can and has undermined management and or coaching staff.
RE: LOL.  
mfsd : 3/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14328954 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Lil Wayne influencing NFL moves.

2019 baby!


Come on now man...that’s in OBJ, not Lil Wayne
Very unfortunate that we lost OBj  
eric2425ny : 3/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
Hopefully we can get another WR because right now we basically have one.
RE: OBJ may be 1 of the greatest WR talents ever ... but ...  
Steve in ATL : 3/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14328992 Spider56 said:
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He’s yet to learn to control and manage his emotions.

His all in style leaves him prone to injury.

His on field antics are an embarrassment.

I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.


Can OBJ be happy in Cleveland? He seems like a west coast big city kind of guy.
RE: Again, look at what Glazer is saying  
UberAlias : 3/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14329001 jvm52106 said:
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the team was ready to move from OBJ last offseason but Shurmur wanted to keep him. Spoke with him and felt OBJ was on the same page with him. THings changed quickly and we really don't know all the shit behind the scenes.
. Nothing changed except their mind. Odell is now what he’s always been. DG just completely lacks in any vision. Just like passing on Collins.
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jvm52106 : 3/12/2019 9:39 pm : link
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?


Irvin, for all his BS, was a better team player and followed direction on the field far better than OBJ ever did.
The best pick being the 17th pick in the first round  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 9:40 pm : link
and a 3rd round pick (and peppers) is such a weak haul it's not even funny.
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BillKo : 3/12/2019 9:41 pm : link
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?


Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.

OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).

That's the difference..........

RE: The best pick being the 17th pick in the first round  
BleedBlue : 3/12/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14329060 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and a 3rd round pick (and peppers) is such a weak haul it's not even funny.


yea its not even close


the hit rate on 17th overall is like a fcuking coin flip....we took a coin flip a decent safety and #95 for a TOP 3 WR in his prime...sickening
RE: Loved him but  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14329027 Jay in Toronto said:
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Was worried about injuries.

Flummexed we didn't get more

The Athletic gave Browns A and us a D


Sounds about right
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Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 9:42 pm : link
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?



Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.

OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).

That's the difference..........
Lol what kind of insane revisionist history is this?
RE: They have no vision  
Doubledeuce22 : 3/12/2019 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14329012 UberAlias said:
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.


No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.
RE: trade him, fine  
Boy Cord : 3/12/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14328964 SHO'NUFF said:
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but for what we got in return? really?


Bingo. I am sompissed at the weak-ass compensation. The Giants are lost in the desert.
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UberAlias : 3/12/2019 9:46 pm : link
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.



No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.
Lol. This wasn’t the grand plan. They signed Odell to a huge contract. Then changed their mind.
see how he does in Cleveland  
Dankbeerman : 3/12/2019 9:50 pm : link
Has a chance to be the 1st guy to be a top wr after leaving eli. Obviously the most talented but Eli has turned guys into much better players then the were anywhere else. Plax, stev smith, nicks, cuz,.maningham, ballard, boss, and so on
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SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 9:56 pm : link
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.



No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.

Lol. This wasn’t the grand plan. They signed Odell to a huge contract. Then changed their mind.


Beckham played them. He played good boy until the ink was dry... then he went on TV with Lil Wayne
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Vanzetti : 3/12/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14328953 jvm52106 said:
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.


Barkley had a great season and Giants won five games.
He dared to question King Eli  
Rflairr : 3/12/2019 9:57 pm : link
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RE: see how he does in Cleveland  
Zepp : 3/12/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14329176 Dankbeerman said:
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Has a chance to be the 1st guy to be a top wr after leaving eli. Obviously the most talented but Eli has turned guys into much better players then the were anywhere else. Plax, stev smith, nicks, cuz,.maningham, ballard, boss, and so on


Yeah but dude..hes 37 on a 1 year contract. Eli is clearly not in their plans.
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RobCarpenter : 3/12/2019 10:01 pm : link
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.



No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.

Lol. This wasn’t the grand plan. They signed Odell to a huge contract. Then changed their mind.


Or OBJ’s behavior changed after he signed the contract.
Glazer isn't an inventor of rumors  
JonC : 3/12/2019 10:01 pm : link
like I'd mentioned.
If Mara and DG  
Mike from Ohio : 3/12/2019 10:04 pm : link
Changed their minds on OBJ from signing him to a big contract to wanting him gone because of that Lil Wayne interview, both of them are clowns. You don’t make business decisions based on shit like that because it hurt your feelings.

I am trying to give Mara and Gettleman perhaps more credit than they deserve.
They got nothing in return for a generational talent  
rdt288 : 3/12/2019 10:05 pm : link
I’m sick
RE: He dared to question King Eli  
SirLoinOfBeef : 3/12/2019 10:05 pm : link
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Do you think he will be as successful?
RE: The best pick being the 17th pick in the first round  
TheMick7 : 3/12/2019 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14329060 Dave in Hoboken said:
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and a 3rd round pick (and peppers) is such a weak haul it's not even funny.


And the 3rd rounder is #95,the ABSOLUTE last pick in the round.They couldn't even get the Browns to give them their higher #3 (80).
He doesn’t know it but 3/12/19 was the exact date  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 10:05 pm : link
Dave Gettleman got fired. He’ll go down in history as the guy who traded Odell Beckham JR. for a bag of doughnuts, to use one of his famous phrases.
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mdc1 : 3/12/2019 10:05 pm : link
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?



Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.

OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).

That's the difference..........


Didn't Irvin and Dionne try to mentor and talk sense into his head? They failed. It will sink in with Beckham when he sets up shop in Cleveland and realizes where he is.
The thing that bothers me is that we have an owner’s council  
Essex : 3/12/2019 10:06 pm : link
where you need two owners to approve, doesn’t seem like an optimal decision making apparatus. It’s enough having one owner making decisions, two is a real issue. And, here, that hurt us because we now have 16 million we can’t use.
They didn’t change their mind  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:06 pm : link
it didn’t work. So if it wasn’t going to work do you pull a Reese or a Gettleman?

Some of you guys don’t make any sense.
RE: OBJ may be 1 of the greatest WR talents ever ... but ...  
DavidinBMNY : 3/12/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14328992 Spider56 said:
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He’s yet to learn to control and manage his emotions.

His all in style leaves him prone to injury.

His on field antics are an embarrassment.

I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.
The perfect post.
At this point, they should consider  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:07 pm : link
Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.

I love Beckham and wanted it to work here  
j_rud : 3/12/2019 10:07 pm : link
I was also willing to overlook a lot of what pissed so many people off. But that interview was bad. Really no way to paint that. Was incredibly dumb on his part. Wtf does Lil Wayne have to do with this? He's not surrounded by *anyone* willing to tell him that was an incredibly stupid idea?
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j_rud : 3/12/2019 10:09 pm : link
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.


Why the hell wouldn't they? They just traded the most talented receiver the franchise has ever had. If there's one clear takeaway from today, it's the Dave Gettleman holds no sacred cows.
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TheMick7 : 3/12/2019 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14329353 ArlingtonMike said:
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.


Or maybe,sign him?
Essentially, we got  
Bill in UT : 3/12/2019 10:10 pm : link
3 players for Odell, one of which we know is a good player. It's up to Gettleman to make the other 3 picks worthy of the deal. This trade can't be judged yet by rational people
If you’re willing to sign Shepard  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:11 pm : link
It’s going to cost 10M per. You willing to do that? He’s a good receiver but not a #1 or even a #2

He could end up being next years Collins
“Pulling a Gettleman”  
NoGainDayne : 3/12/2019 10:12 pm : link
-screwing something up to a large degree, maybe almost historically short timelines of extreme disappointment and people complementing you for doing something about these mistakes
What if they turn #6 and #17 in to Bosa or Allen  
BlueHurricane : 3/12/2019 10:14 pm : link
Wonder how some will feel here at that point?????
Had everyone been on the same page earlier  
Knineteen : 3/12/2019 10:15 pm : link
perhaps the organization would have gotten more in return.
This team is run by complete dolts  
Greg from LI : 3/12/2019 10:15 pm : link
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RE: What if they turn #6 and #17 in to Bosa or Allen  
The_Boss : 3/12/2019 10:17 pm : link
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Wonder how some will feel here at that point?????


I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.
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section125 : 3/12/2019 10:18 pm : link
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goes with it's fans.....
RE: At this point, they should consider  
WillVAB : 3/12/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14329353 ArlingtonMike said:
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.


Do you realize how much cap space the Giants have next year? They’re definitely not going to be penny pinchers.
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NoPeanutz : 3/12/2019 10:18 pm : link
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?



Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.

OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).

That's the difference..........

Irvin was a complete team player.
He helped his teammates score on AND off the field. Like when they raped that woman at gunpoint.
Yeah , but what was wrong with  
Elite Mobster #32 : 3/12/2019 10:19 pm : link
getting other receivers to play opposite Odell as well as a QB of his peer to work with? Eli should have been the one to go.
Not about penny pinching  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:20 pm : link
It’s avout looking to 2020. If a guy is not in the plans for 2020, he should be gone. Shepard is an example of that. Unless you plan to pay him 40- 50M. Which would be a mistake IMHO
RE: “Pulling a Gettleman”  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2019 10:22 pm : link
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-screwing something up to a large degree, maybe almost historically short timelines of extreme disappointment and people complementing you for doing something about these mistakes


Would you rather get Gettleman'd or Junkin'd?
Name one New York Giant player  
WillieYoung : 3/12/2019 10:23 pm : link
who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.
OBJ  
stretch234 : 3/12/2019 10:25 pm : link
Now you need to look at it as Vernon & OBJ for Zeitler, Peppers and a 1st & 3rd. Pass rusher and top level WR for an OG, S and 2 picks.

You can't talk about cap room and then complain that every signing by teams thus far is crazy

Losing with OBJ still beats losing without him

All the talk about the lines is valid, but look at Dallas - good on both lines and needed to go get a true No 1 to really make it work

His teammates never had a bad thing to say and never questioned his effort. His injury in 18 - very weird as he practiced fully for the week and then was ruled out. Now with the trade makes you wonder if they actually kept him out knowing they were trading him
I was listening to Moving the chains on NFL radio today  
montanagiant : 3/12/2019 10:28 pm : link
And Pat Kirwin said he would accept a first rounder for OBJ and not look back.

We got a mid-round 1st, a 3rd and Safety drafted in the first rd on his 3rd year for OBJ, who while a great talent was not happy here.

I say win-win for all concerned
not just lil wayne  
mittenedman : 3/12/2019 10:28 pm : link
but obj of course decked out in clown gear looking like a cross-dresser.

never have i seen a guy's head get so f#cked up by fame. he's been cringeworthy for a while now.

Just remember in all this - the giants did an internal audit and concluded their lockerroom was a mess. who were some of the most influential players in the lockerroom?

OBJ & Collins.

they wanted these guys off the team. so anything they can get in return is a bonus.

Now - u can question that, and it's fair. we aren't building a choir, we're building a football team and u should probably be able to handle the attitudes of great players. but the giants concluded they were bad for the team even though they sold a lot of jerseys and were popular with fans. u gotta at least commend them for caring about winning over money
and PS  
mittenedman : 3/12/2019 10:29 pm : link
Beckham didn't give a F#ck about the Giants.

Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
RE: Name one New York Giant player  
dep026 : 3/12/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.


Good. We don’t want you. Later!!!!
funny  
bc4life : 3/12/2019 10:30 pm : link
all reports from the players was that he was a great teammate
Another way of looking at this is that  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 10:30 pm : link
we are very close to getting our next QB, thankfully.
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MookGiants : 3/12/2019 10:32 pm : link
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.




Why the hell wouldn't they? They just traded the most talented receiver the franchise has ever had. If there's one clear takeaway from today, it's the Dave Gettleman holds no sacred cows.


I doubt he'll trade a player that was touched by the hand of God though.

Saquon Barkley needs to happen like yesterday. Part of the appeal of Saquon is he's on a rookie contract and a top player right now. We're totally wasting that and getting zero value out of it. I'd love to be wrong and Barkley has a prime that's a decade long, but that's probably close to lottery odds. It just doesn't happen. If the Giants got 5-6 prime years out of him they'd be doing well, and he's going to get the shit beat out of him with zero talent around him now.

Building a team around a running back would be horrible business in 2019. He has more value to another team than he does the Giants right now, and it's not becuase of his talent, he's terrific. His best years should be on a team who can win, not the franchise with the least to look forward to in the near future of any in the NFL.
If the Giants  
MookGiants : 3/12/2019 10:34 pm : link
wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
RE: RE: RE: He went on to say that  
Chris in Philly : 3/12/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14329067 BillKo said:
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In comment 14329019 Chris in Philly said:


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In comment 14328953 jvm52106 said:


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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.



That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?



Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.

OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).

That's the difference..........


Sure, okay.
Great  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:37 pm : link
here comes the non stop Barkley whining. Can’t wait.
RE: Great  
Mr. Bungle : 3/12/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14329649 UConn4523 said:
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here comes the non stop Barkley whining. Can’t wait.

There was, like, a 3 or 4-day break from it. That wasn't enough for you?
RE: At this point, they should consider  
mattlawson : 3/12/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14329353 ArlingtonMike said:
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.


who the fuck is going to catch the ball?!
No, but it isn’t surprising  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:43 pm : link
trading Barkley sounds like a really novel idea but there’s 2 issues. 1, this is a business and even in a losing season people will flock to see him play. 2, they unknowns of what the picks back would amount to.

I’m completely on board with getting anyone out that isn’t part of the future for whatever we can get for them. If that’s executed than keeping Barkley and paying him when the time comes won’t matter. Everyone is so worried about paying him when RB contracts are still relatively cheap, and we will need players like him to compete in the short and long term.

It’s just one of those ideas that makes it sounds so smart, when it really isn’t. Too much downside and the upside isn’t all that great.
I am just laughing at some of the comments..  
EricJ : 3/12/2019 10:50 pm : link
and I mentioned this in the other thread.

We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.

If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
Model after the Rangers  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:51 pm : link
And focus on growing the youth. Guys at the end of their contract should be sent packing unless they are part of long term plans. 2019 is a throw away. They are going to be lucky to win 5 games with or without guys like Sterling Shepard, who is a nice complimentary player. He’s A Gettleman type of guy with great character and effort. I love the guy. But I don’t want to invest 10M in him long term. Next year is going to suck anyway so look to the future.
If they end up going with Eli  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 10:52 pm : link
This year I will have completely lost faith. Have to believe there’s a bigger plan.
RE: RE: What if they turn #6 and #17 in to Bosa or Allen  
The 12th Man : 3/12/2019 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14329463 The_Boss said:
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Wonder how some will feel here at that point?????



I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.


If they turn the 6th and 17th into Haskins and he is bust this team will be put into the doldrums for a decade. Gettleman better get this right.
RE: If the Giants  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


We get it, you are a broken record. People disagree with you, it’s ok.
RE: If the Giants  
WillVAB : 3/12/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


Yea kind of like Sony Michel and James White.
RE: If the Giants  
Rflairr : 3/12/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


They hired the wrong GM.
No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 10:58 pm : link
This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
RE: ...  
djm : 3/12/2019 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14328945 BleedBlue said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable



Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.
RE: funny  
Scuzzlebutt : 3/12/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14329592 bc4life said:
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all reports from the players was that he was a great teammate


Everyone said that about T.O. and he ended up bouncing around the league because he was too much of a diva.
RE: I am just laughing at some of the comments..  
Enzo : 3/12/2019 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14329768 EricJ said:
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and I mentioned this in the other thread.

We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.

If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.

using this logic, no GM ever makes a bad trade. Ok!
Britt in VA  
GRBlue : 3/12/2019 11:04 pm : link
Isn't this what we were ridiculed for saying?

The interview changed it all. PS thought he could handle him. Got his deal then when off the rails.

They will be fine without him. Will find a top notch receiver and 26 can carry the load on and off the field. Kid is a pro, OBJ could learn from the way he handles success.

By all accounts he’s a great teammate  
ArlingtonMike : 3/12/2019 11:06 pm : link
No reason to question that. He didn’t piss off his teammates, he irked the owners after they gave him huge money. That stupid interview was likely the beginning of the end with Tisch.
RE: No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
JPinstripes : 3/12/2019 11:06 pm : link
In comment 14329818 jcn56 said:
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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.


I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.
Everyone take a breath  
Emil : 3/12/2019 11:07 pm : link
I was one of the biggest OBJ fans here and I would never have traded him but let’s pump the brakes a little.

Yes this sucks. Yes the Giants offense just lost the best receiving threat in the league. (My opinion)

But it’s not like the Giants offense couldn’t put up points without OBJ last season. With the huge exception of the Tennessee game (which was a rain storm) the offense played well when OBJ was out of the lineup and was arguably more explosive. Also, the coaching staff seemed to discover the matchup nightmare that is Evan Engram. Finally, they actually started using Barkley in a more dynamic manner. Getting him down the field in the pass game.

I’m not saying it’s good OBJ is gone. I’d never say that. He is the best WR I’ve seen since Randy Moss. But perhaps it’s worth considering that the offense runs best through Saquon and Barkley? Just putting it out there.

Count me as one who thinks this means Eli isn’t back. I don’t think Eli has the tools to implement Schurmurs offense in its full entirety and whomever the next QB is, will have the ability to do just that. The only thing I’m really worried about going forward is how Gettleman will be perceived in the locker room. Not paying Collins was the right move. Trading OBJ for about 75% of what he’s worth, time will tell, but it’s a hard pill to swallow.

Going to be an interesting six or so weeks!
I'm really curious  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/12/2019 11:08 pm : link
as to what SF was offering for Beckham.
More information  
Thegratefulhead : 3/12/2019 11:08 pm : link
We are only the scratching the surface. A whole shit ton of information is going to come out in the next few weeks and everyone here is at acting like we know exactly what is going on it's fucking hilarious really. The only reason obj did that interview with Lil Wayne is because he didn't want to be here. you don't think Beckham is Media savvy enough to know that when asked about your two time super bowl-winning fan beloved quarterback you overwhelmingly back him up. PA Leeze! the Giants wanted him gone and Beckham didn't want to be here. This was the best offer we were going to get and DG before we got Antonio Brown ed. Ingram was much more productive without obj around both seasons. Berkeley did not do bad without obj. Did you believe going forward there was going to be enough touches for obj if the offense goes through Barkley. I'm not saying I agree with the trade I'm just saying they're probably reasons that we don't know about dot-dot-dot yet.
Meant Saquon and Engram  
Emil : 3/12/2019 11:09 pm : link
Sorry
Barkley and his 3 year shelf life posts  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2019 11:09 pm : link
are ones I can’t take seriously. We didn’t pick him to just play on his rookie deal. He’s in our future plans. The NFL still revolves around TOP, and giving your defense rest. He’s also not just a running back.

I’m not going to bother with any more than that. If you want to trade him, go ahead and pound your keyboard I guess. If you’re wrong, you win anyway.
Just not enough back  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2019 11:13 pm : link
I can live with trading OBJ seeing he didn’t want to be here and I don’t want another ABrown, but why couldn’t we have gotten a 1,2, and Peppers.

I’m also surprised we had to take their second third round pick. Talk about playing hardball and we bit.

I know Pitt traded Brown for only a 3 rd and 5th pick but I think that was much different. Don’t you?
RE: Barkley and his 3 year shelf life posts  
Emil : 3/12/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14329914 UConn4523 said:
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are ones I can’t take seriously. We didn’t pick him to just play on his rookie deal. He’s in our future plans. The NFL still revolves around TOP, and giving your defense rest. He’s also not just a running back.

I’m not going to bother with any more than that. If you want to trade him, go ahead and pound your keyboard I guess. If you’re wrong, you win anyway.


It’s like no one watched the Super Bowl champs this year...
RE: RE: No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14329889 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14329818 jcn56 said:


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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.



I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.


You thought this was a good trade - trust me, you're knee deep in stupid thoughts and shouldn't be looking elsewhere for them.
It is way more than 3 players  
Chip : 3/12/2019 11:17 pm : link
It is also the players that come from 20 mil in cap space savings. You trade away a 20 mil a year player and sign another one plus the draft picks and Peppers.
RE: and PS  
Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14329584 mittenedman said:
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Beckham didn't give a F#ck about the Giants.

Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
This is an archaic mindset. so outdated and out of touch with the current times and reality in general.
RE: It is way more than 3 players  
Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 11:19 pm : link
In comment 14329981 Chip said:
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It is also the players that come from 20 mil in cap space savings. You trade away a 20 mil a year player and sign another one plus the draft picks and Peppers.
You want cap savings? Eli should have been cut then.
RE: RE: ...  
jcn56 : 3/12/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14329822 djm said:
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable




Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.


The rumors at the time of his extension were for roughly the same in return - and that was before the Giants took the risk of extending him post injury, and without the enormous cap hit they're going to eat now.

So there's every reason to believe the Giants were hosed.

Just another in a long line of stupid decisions dating back to 2012, which have been accelerating in the past couple of years.
RE: and PS  
giantsFC : 3/12/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14329584 mittenedman said:
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Beckham didn't give a F#ck about the Giants.

Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.

this is a very underrated point I forget about. He really could have cared less about the team. But then again, most diva stars are like that these days. And sometimes I can't blame them...see Steve Smith in Carolina.
The owners are morons and that was seen clearly during the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/12/2019 11:20 pm : link
Eli/McAdoo debacle. Experienced people make a situation better... they don't allow an interview with Lil Wayne to dictate the direction of their franchise.
RE: RE: RE: No, Mook is right, it's just that people don't want to see the obvious  
JPinstripes : 3/12/2019 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14329977 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14329818 jcn56 said:


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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.

Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.



I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.



You thought this was a good trade - trust me, you're knee deep in stupid thoughts and shouldn't be looking elsewhere for them.


No - your suggestion of NYG trading Barkley now based on the OBJ outcome is the dumbest post I have ever seen on this board.
RE: Name one New York Giant player  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/12/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.


Good post. I hope saquon is paying attention to how premier players are treated by mgmt on the NYG
RE: Name one New York Giant player  
santacruzom : 3/12/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.


Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
RE: RE: Name one New York Giant player  
Sonic Youth : 3/12/2019 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14330042 santacruzom said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?


The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.
RE: RE: RE: Name one New York Giant player  
jestersdead : 3/12/2019 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14330057 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:


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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?



The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.

Pretty sure there is a difference between "team player" and "teammates like him"

Everyone is judging this trade today. It won't be judge for three years and that all depends on what players are brought it with the picks.

San Diego fans still think they got the better of the Eli/Rivers trade, yet they dont have 2 super bowls and the only one left on their team from the trade is Rivers. Give it a couple months to see what goes along with it
RE: RE: Name one New York Giant player  
Scuzzlebutt : 3/12/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14330039 OBJ_AllDay said:
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In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:


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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.



Good post. I hope saquon is paying attention to how premier players are treated by mgmt on the NYG


OBJ was treated fine. They paid him a shitload of money and then traded him when it was clear he didn’t want to be here anymore. OBJ got everything he wanted.
Did someone really say  
ajr2456 : 3/12/2019 11:40 pm : link
Irvin was better for the locker room than Odell? The same Irivin who put the blade of a scissor to a teammates throat?
RE: RE: RE: Name one New York Giant player  
GiantGrit : 3/12/2019 11:49 pm : link
In comment 14330057 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14330042 santacruzom said:


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In comment 14329528 WillieYoung said:


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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?



The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.


Odell is an awesome talent.

Also -
Has injury concerns
Got paid well
Decided to do a national interview (team didn’t know) and made an ass out of himself and the team where he questioned his future with the team
Per good inside info here, milked an injury at the end of the year

Hate we gave up a talent? Ok
Don’t like the compensation? Ok
Pretending like he was a saint and didn’t have baggage, pretending the Giants didn’t try desperately to make this work? Bullshit.
RE: I am just laughing at some of the comments..  
Giants_Rock : 3/12/2019 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14329768 EricJ said:
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and I mentioned this in the other thread.

We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.

If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.


If we had a lot of depth at WR then trading him would make more sense. But as it is we now have another position that's in major need of repair and on top of that we're paying 16M for Odell to play elsewhere. DG needs to go and he needs to go soon.
RE: If the Giants  
djm : 3/12/2019 11:59 pm : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


Bullshit.
The weight some people give to meaningless bullshit  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 12:01 am : link
Like interviews and press conferences is laughable
RE: If the Giants  
Mr. Bungle : 3/13/2019 12:09 am : link
In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.

The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
RE: RE: If the Giants  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 12:11 am : link
In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:


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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.


Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.
RE: RE: RE: If the Giants  
Mr. Bungle : 3/13/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14330266 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:


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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.



Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.

Did those teams "lose a shit ton of games"?
RE: RE: If the Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:
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The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.


Lofty goals.
RE: RE: Name one New York Giant player  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2019 12:14 am : link
In comment 14330042 santacruzom said:
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.



Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?


pardon my not being PC, but that's a retarded comment...
Don't apologize for calling a spade a spade.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 12:15 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: If the Giants  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 12:18 am : link
In comment 14330274 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14330266 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 14330258 Mr. Bungle said:


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In comment 14329625 MookGiants said:


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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.

If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.


The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.

And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.



Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.


Did those teams "lose a shit ton of games"?


They didn't win anything with their high priced RB did they? Want to know why? Look at their QBs.
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