basically said things really started to shift after the interview with Little Wayne.. Then at trading deadline teams called Gmen about OBJ and TISCH said no. He loved OBJ. As the season wore on and OBJ was not around the last 4 weeks Tisch moved to the side of Mara and DG that OBJ had to go.
Basically said Giants would have traded him last offs eason but PS wanted to keep him. Talked to him and felt they were on the same page but things changed as the season started.
2019 baby!
Because you don't write checks for these guys. The Giants got two picks and a 1st rd pick from 2 years ago a position of absolute need.
i agree. im okay moving him but wish it was for more
Saquon is amazing, but he's one player. This isn't the NBA where you can win with one guy and a supporting cast. This is a true team sport. You need talent.
This is the exact point. Even if you hate Beckham you don’t trade him for what we got. We should have waited for a bigger return.
His all in style leaves him prone to injury.
His on field antics are an embarrassment.
I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
Saquon is amazing, but he's one player. This isn't the NBA where you can win with one guy and a supporting cast. This is a true team sport. You need talent.
exactly. barkley is good but he will see 8 man + boxes all next year. teams will run blitz literally every down. 2019 is going to be a fucking shitshow
the mere fact that they did not get more makes it arguable....
I think we got a good haul. This is a guy who has missed 15 games in the last 2 years. We have a ton of picks. It’s about time this franchise stops appeasing the fans.
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable
the mere fact that they did not get more makes it arguable....
yes because its impossible for a GM to take less than worth lol
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Flummexed we didn't get more
The Athletic gave Browns A and us a D
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
Saquon is amazing, but he's one player. This isn't the NBA where you can win with one guy and a supporting cast. This is a true team sport. You need talent.
exactly. barkley is good but he will see 8 man + boxes all next year. teams will run blitz literally every down. 2019 is going to be a fucking shitshow
You mean like last year? Saquon saw 8 in the box most of the time and he did pretty good when Odell was hurt.
You can't keep a guy if you feel his presence can and has undermined management and or coaching staff.
2019 baby!
Come on now man...that’s in OBJ, not Lil Wayne
His all in style leaves him prone to injury.
His on field antics are an embarrassment.
I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.
Can OBJ be happy in Cleveland? He seems like a west coast big city kind of guy.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin, for all his BS, was a better team player and followed direction on the field far better than OBJ ever did.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
yea its not even close
the hit rate on 17th overall is like a fcuking coin flip....we took a coin flip a decent safety and #95 for a TOP 3 WR in his prime...sickening
Flummexed we didn't get more
The Athletic gave Browns A and us a D
Sounds about right
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.
Bingo. I am sompissed at the weak-ass compensation. The Giants are lost in the desert.
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.
No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.
No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.
Lol. This wasn’t the grand plan. They signed Odell to a huge contract. Then changed their mind.
Beckham played them. He played good boy until the ink was dry... then he went on TV with Lil Wayne
Barkley had a great season and Giants won five games.
Yeah but dude..hes 37 on a 1 year contract. Eli is clearly not in their plans.
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Pass on trade for Collins, then let him walk. Sign Odell to big contract, then trade him away. At this point they’re in full rebuild, building around their 37 year old QB.
No vision? DG has always been about building the OL and DL. That’s exactly what’s he’s doing. This draft will be heavily invested in our lines again. Build from the inside out has always been the vision and that’s what he’s starting to do by getting rid of these skill position players.
Lol. This wasn’t the grand plan. They signed Odell to a huge contract. Then changed their mind.
Or OBJ’s behavior changed after he signed the contract.
I am trying to give Mara and Gettleman perhaps more credit than they deserve.
Do you think he will be as successful?
And the 3rd rounder is #95,the ABSOLUTE last pick in the round.They couldn't even get the Browns to give them their higher #3 (80).
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
Didn't Irvin and Dionne try to mentor and talk sense into his head? They failed. It will sink in with Beckham when he sets up shop in Cleveland and realizes where he is.
Some of you guys don’t make any sense.
His all in style leaves him prone to injury.
His on field antics are an embarrassment.
I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.
Why the hell wouldn't they? They just traded the most talented receiver the franchise has ever had. If there's one clear takeaway from today, it's the Dave Gettleman holds no sacred cows.
Or maybe,sign him?
He could end up being next years Collins
I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.
goes with it's fans.....
Do you realize how much cap space the Giants have next year? They’re definitely not going to be penny pinchers.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
Irvin was a complete team player.
He helped his teammates score on AND off the field. Like when they raped that woman at gunpoint.
Would you rather get Gettleman'd or Junkin'd?
You can't talk about cap room and then complain that every signing by teams thus far is crazy
Losing with OBJ still beats losing without him
All the talk about the lines is valid, but look at Dallas - good on both lines and needed to go get a true No 1 to really make it work
His teammates never had a bad thing to say and never questioned his effort. His injury in 18 - very weird as he practiced fully for the week and then was ruled out. Now with the trade makes you wonder if they actually kept him out knowing they were trading him
We got a mid-round 1st, a 3rd and Safety drafted in the first rd on his 3rd year for OBJ, who while a great talent was not happy here.
I say win-win for all concerned
never have i seen a guy's head get so f#cked up by fame. he's been cringeworthy for a while now.
Just remember in all this - the giants did an internal audit and concluded their lockerroom was a mess. who were some of the most influential players in the lockerroom?
OBJ & Collins.
they wanted these guys off the team. so anything they can get in return is a bonus.
Now - u can question that, and it's fair. we aren't building a choir, we're building a football team and u should probably be able to handle the attitudes of great players. but the giants concluded they were bad for the team even though they sold a lot of jerseys and were popular with fans. u gotta at least commend them for caring about winning over money
Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
Good. We don’t want you. Later!!!!
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.
Why the hell wouldn't they? They just traded the most talented receiver the franchise has ever had. If there's one clear takeaway from today, it's the Dave Gettleman holds no sacred cows.
I doubt he'll trade a player that was touched by the hand of God though.
Saquon Barkley needs to happen like yesterday. Part of the appeal of Saquon is he's on a rookie contract and a top player right now. We're totally wasting that and getting zero value out of it. I'd love to be wrong and Barkley has a prime that's a decade long, but that's probably close to lottery odds. It just doesn't happen. If the Giants got 5-6 prime years out of him they'd be doing well, and he's going to get the shit beat out of him with zero talent around him now.
Building a team around a running back would be horrible business in 2019. He has more value to another team than he does the Giants right now, and it's not becuase of his talent, he's terrific. His best years should be on a team who can win, not the franchise with the least to look forward to in the near future of any in the NFL.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
Sure, okay.
There was, like, a 3 or 4-day break from it. That wasn't enough for you?
who the fuck is going to catch the ball?!
I’m completely on board with getting anyone out that isn’t part of the future for whatever we can get for them. If that’s executed than keeping Barkley and paying him when the time comes won’t matter. Everyone is so worried about paying him when RB contracts are still relatively cheap, and we will need players like him to compete in the short and long term.
It’s just one of those ideas that makes it sounds so smart, when it really isn’t. Too much downside and the upside isn’t all that great.
We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.
If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
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Wonder how some will feel here at that point?????
I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.
If they turn the 6th and 17th into Haskins and he is bust this team will be put into the doldrums for a decade. Gettleman better get this right.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
We get it, you are a broken record. People disagree with you, it’s ok.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
Yea kind of like Sony Michel and James White.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
They hired the wrong GM.
Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.
Everyone said that about T.O. and he ended up bouncing around the league because he was too much of a diva.
We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.
If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
using this logic, no GM ever makes a bad trade. Ok!
The interview changed it all. PS thought he could handle him. Got his deal then when off the rails.
They will be fine without him. Will find a top notch receiver and 26 can carry the load on and off the field. Kid is a pro, OBJ could learn from the way he handles success.
Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.
Yes this sucks. Yes the Giants offense just lost the best receiving threat in the league. (My opinion)
But it’s not like the Giants offense couldn’t put up points without OBJ last season. With the huge exception of the Tennessee game (which was a rain storm) the offense played well when OBJ was out of the lineup and was arguably more explosive. Also, the coaching staff seemed to discover the matchup nightmare that is Evan Engram. Finally, they actually started using Barkley in a more dynamic manner. Getting him down the field in the pass game.
I’m not saying it’s good OBJ is gone. I’d never say that. He is the best WR I’ve seen since Randy Moss. But perhaps it’s worth considering that the offense runs best through Saquon and Barkley? Just putting it out there.
Count me as one who thinks this means Eli isn’t back. I don’t think Eli has the tools to implement Schurmurs offense in its full entirety and whomever the next QB is, will have the ability to do just that. The only thing I’m really worried about going forward is how Gettleman will be perceived in the locker room. Not paying Collins was the right move. Trading OBJ for about 75% of what he’s worth, time will tell, but it’s a hard pill to swallow.
Going to be an interesting six or so weeks!
I’m not going to bother with any more than that. If you want to trade him, go ahead and pound your keyboard I guess. If you’re wrong, you win anyway.
I’m also surprised we had to take their second third round pick. Talk about playing hardball and we bit.
I know Pitt traded Brown for only a 3 rd and 5th pick but I think that was much different. Don’t you?
I’m not going to bother with any more than that. If you want to trade him, go ahead and pound your keyboard I guess. If you’re wrong, you win anyway.
It’s like no one watched the Super Bowl champs this year...
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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.
Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.
You thought this was a good trade - trust me, you're knee deep in stupid thoughts and shouldn't be looking elsewhere for them.
Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
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fuck all of them. this guy should have garnered a bigger return, i dont even see how that is arguable
Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.
The rumors at the time of his extension were for roughly the same in return - and that was before the Giants took the risk of extending him post injury, and without the enormous cap hit they're going to eat now.
So there's every reason to believe the Giants were hosed.
Just another in a long line of stupid decisions dating back to 2012, which have been accelerating in the past couple of years.
Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
this is a very underrated point I forget about. He really could have cared less about the team. But then again, most diva stars are like that these days. And sometimes I can't blame them...see Steve Smith in Carolina.
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This team has been horribly mismanaged for quite some time, and as elements of stability walked out (Coughlin, Reese), it just fell off a cliff.
Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.
You thought this was a good trade - trust me, you're knee deep in stupid thoughts and shouldn't be looking elsewhere for them.
No - your suggestion of NYG trading Barkley now based on the OBJ outcome is the dumbest post I have ever seen on this board.
Good post. I hope saquon is paying attention to how premier players are treated by mgmt on the NYG
Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.
Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.
Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.
Pretty sure there is a difference between "team player" and "teammates like him"
Everyone is judging this trade today. It won't be judge for three years and that all depends on what players are brought it with the picks.
San Diego fans still think they got the better of the Eli/Rivers trade, yet they dont have 2 super bowls and the only one left on their team from the trade is Rivers. Give it a couple months to see what goes along with it
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't. The locker room won't recover any time soon. Play your ass off. Play great. But if you express yourself at all, you're gone. Maybe Tuffy Lehmans is available. After 62 years, I'm a Brown's fan.
Good post. I hope saquon is paying attention to how premier players are treated by mgmt on the NYG
OBJ was treated fine. They paid him a shitload of money and then traded him when it was clear he didn’t want to be here anymore. OBJ got everything he wanted.
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.
Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
The point is this "not a team player" meme is bullshit.
Odell is an awesome talent.
Also -
Has injury concerns
Got paid well
Decided to do a national interview (team didn’t know) and made an ass out of himself and the team where he questioned his future with the team
Per good inside info here, milked an injury at the end of the year
Hate we gave up a talent? Ok
Don’t like the compensation? Ok
Pretending like he was a saint and didn’t have baggage, pretending the Giants didn’t try desperately to make this work? Bullshit.
We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.
If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
If we had a lot of depth at WR then trading him would make more sense. But as it is we now have another position that's in major need of repair and on top of that we're paying 16M for Odell to play elsewhere. DG needs to go and he needs to go soon.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
Bullshit.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.
And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.
And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.
And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.
Did those teams "lose a shit ton of games"?
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.
And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
Lofty goals.
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who ever said a negative word about OBJ. You can't.
Fine, but is it an accomplishment when a bad team lauds you?
pardon my not being PC, but that's a retarded comment...
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wanted Barkley to be the focal point and wanted it to be Barkley's team, someone needs to show them a calendar and that it's 2019 and not 1979.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys say hello.
And so do the 2015 and 2012 Minnesota Vikings.
Well of course they can wave hello when their hands are empty.
Did those teams "lose a shit ton of games"?
They didn't win anything with their high priced RB did they? Want to know why? Look at their QBs.