basically said things really started to shift after the interview with Little Wayne.. Then at trading deadline teams called Gmen about OBJ and TISCH said no. He loved OBJ. As the season wore on and OBJ was not around the last 4 weeks Tisch moved to the side of Mara and DG that OBJ had to go.
Basically said Giants would have traded him last offs eason but PS wanted to keep him. Talked to him and felt they were on the same page but things changed as the season started.
His all in style leaves him prone to injury.
His on field antics are an embarrassment.
I wish DG had gotten more but I think this is is a good, smart move.
Why the hell wouldn't they? They just traded the most talented receiver the franchise has ever had. If there's one clear takeaway from today, it's the Dave Gettleman holds no sacred cows.
Or maybe,sign him?
He could end up being next years Collins
I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.
goes with it's fans.....
Do you realize how much cap space the Giants have next year? They’re definitely not going to be penny pinchers.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
Irvin was a complete team player.
He helped his teammates score on AND off the field. Like when they raped that woman at gunpoint.
Would you rather get Gettleman'd or Junkin'd?
You can't talk about cap room and then complain that every signing by teams thus far is crazy
Losing with OBJ still beats losing without him
All the talk about the lines is valid, but look at Dallas - good on both lines and needed to go get a true No 1 to really make it work
His teammates never had a bad thing to say and never questioned his effort. His injury in 18 - very weird as he practiced fully for the week and then was ruled out. Now with the trade makes you wonder if they actually kept him out knowing they were trading him
We got a mid-round 1st, a 3rd and Safety drafted in the first rd on his 3rd year for OBJ, who while a great talent was not happy here.
I say win-win for all concerned
never have i seen a guy's head get so f#cked up by fame. he's been cringeworthy for a while now.
Just remember in all this - the giants did an internal audit and concluded their lockerroom was a mess. who were some of the most influential players in the lockerroom?
OBJ & Collins.
they wanted these guys off the team. so anything they can get in return is a bonus.
Now - u can question that, and it's fair. we aren't building a choir, we're building a football team and u should probably be able to handle the attitudes of great players. but the giants concluded they were bad for the team even though they sold a lot of jerseys and were popular with fans. u gotta at least commend them for caring about winning over money
Remember that simple fact when you are crying about losing him. Not a true Giant.
Good. We don’t want you. Later!!!!
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Unloading Shepard. He’s got a year left on his rookie deal and will likely command 8-10M based on this weeks signings of slot receivers. He’s not worth it and the giants would likely let him walk. They won’t do it, but should consider a mid year trade.
Why the hell wouldn't they? They just traded the most talented receiver the franchise has ever had. If there's one clear takeaway from today, it's the Dave Gettleman holds no sacred cows.
I doubt he'll trade a player that was touched by the hand of God though.
Saquon Barkley needs to happen like yesterday. Part of the appeal of Saquon is he's on a rookie contract and a top player right now. We're totally wasting that and getting zero value out of it. I'd love to be wrong and Barkley has a prime that's a decade long, but that's probably close to lottery odds. It just doesn't happen. If the Giants got 5-6 prime years out of him they'd be doing well, and he's going to get the shit beat out of him with zero talent around him now.
Building a team around a running back would be horrible business in 2019. He has more value to another team than he does the Giants right now, and it's not becuase of his talent, he's terrific. His best years should be on a team who can win, not the franchise with the least to look forward to in the near future of any in the NFL.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
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the Giants wanted Barkley as the focal point and it was not really going to work with OBJ there. This is now Barkley's team.
That is not at all how football works. Did the Cowboys trade Irvin because they wanted to focus on Emmitt?
Irvin was a COMPLETE team player.
OBJ...not so much (coming from a fan of his ability).
That's the difference..........
Sure, okay.
There was, like, a 3 or 4-day break from it. That wasn't enough for you?
who the fuck is going to catch the ball?!
I’m completely on board with getting anyone out that isn’t part of the future for whatever we can get for them. If that’s executed than keeping Barkley and paying him when the time comes won’t matter. Everyone is so worried about paying him when RB contracts are still relatively cheap, and we will need players like him to compete in the short and long term.
It’s just one of those ideas that makes it sounds so smart, when it really isn’t. Too much downside and the upside isn’t all that great.
We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.
If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
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Wonder how some will feel here at that point?????
I’d still hate it knowing we don’t have a 1 next year from Cleveland in a draft with QB’s actually worth drafting.
If they turn the 6th and 17th into Haskins and he is bust this team will be put into the doldrums for a decade. Gettleman better get this right.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
We get it, you are a broken record. People disagree with you, it’s ok.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
Yea kind of like Sony Michel and James White.
If the focal point of your team is your running back, get ready to lose a shit ton of games.
They hired the wrong GM.
Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
Dude, don’t you think the giants would have gotten a bigger return of it was available? Just stop.
Everyone said that about T.O. and he ended up bouncing around the league because he was too much of a diva.
We should have gotten more? Held out for a better offer? From who exactly? The league spoke and we got what the market will bear regardless as to whether the fans think it was enough.
If Odell was worth so much more, then another team would have given us a bit more. We over valued him based upon his current situation.
using this logic, no GM ever makes a bad trade. Ok!
The interview changed it all. PS thought he could handle him. Got his deal then when off the rails.
They will be fine without him. Will find a top notch receiver and 26 can carry the load on and off the field. Kid is a pro, OBJ could learn from the way he handles success.
Barkley should go - they're not going to put together anything resembling a team in enough time to make any use of his talents. Recoup now, before you end up in a stupid situation like the Beckham one, where you end up eating a huge cap hit for the same return you could have had before you extended him.
I really hope you are tongue in cheek on this post, otherwise it may be the stupidest post I have ever seen on this board.
Yes this sucks. Yes the Giants offense just lost the best receiving threat in the league. (My opinion)
But it’s not like the Giants offense couldn’t put up points without OBJ last season. With the huge exception of the Tennessee game (which was a rain storm) the offense played well when OBJ was out of the lineup and was arguably more explosive. Also, the coaching staff seemed to discover the matchup nightmare that is Evan Engram. Finally, they actually started using Barkley in a more dynamic manner. Getting him down the field in the pass game.
I’m not saying it’s good OBJ is gone. I’d never say that. He is the best WR I’ve seen since Randy Moss. But perhaps it’s worth considering that the offense runs best through Saquon and Barkley? Just putting it out there.
Count me as one who thinks this means Eli isn’t back. I don’t think Eli has the tools to implement Schurmurs offense in its full entirety and whomever the next QB is, will have the ability to do just that. The only thing I’m really worried about going forward is how Gettleman will be perceived in the locker room. Not paying Collins was the right move. Trading OBJ for about 75% of what he’s worth, time will tell, but it’s a hard pill to swallow.
Going to be an interesting six or so weeks!