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This is something that should not be discounted. He wore out his welcome in Carolina. I can't imagine what some of teammates of Collins and Beckham are thinking.

but this wasn't just a Gettleman thing. The owners signed off on it. You don't trade a player like Beckham unless everyone is on board.

How does BB do it in NE?...

Does he hold their hands and coddle them?...No. He wins his way. Just Win. Players follow that. It takes time.

Whoever doesn't agree with it can leave.

but teamwise, there’s usually a different, perhaps much different, dynamic. He’s not losing the team. The fact may be just the opposite: Play your ass off or you’re gone..

In comment 14329755 Eric from BBI said:

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This is something that should not be discounted. He wore out his welcome in Carolina. I can't imagine what some of teammates of Collins and Beckham are thinking.

So what happens when Barkley says he's tired of losing two years from now? Do we trade him too?

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but this wasn't just a Gettleman thing. The owners signed off on it. You don't trade a player like Beckham unless everyone is on board.

Then they’re all complete fucking idiots. Which puts this franchise in an even dire position.

Are already on social media trashing this guy. It's an us against them mentality these days with athletes.....wait till the first giants players tommrow comments. Bet it wont be good

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This is something that should not be discounted. He wore out his welcome in Carolina. I can't imagine what some of teammates of Collins and Beckham are thinking.

Conversely, while Collins and Beckham (two of the best players on the team) were let go, they still continue to coddle Eli. The 2 rings carry a lot of weight with the organization, but how much weight does it carry for the rest of the roster that weren't there for it. As well as haven't seen Eli lift this team to greater heights.

Getts better show some positive return on these moves quickly or the wheels could fall off before we know it!

. New team leaders need to step up and rev the culture to move forward. It also presents opportunities for development of others now knowing that a few guys are not sucking the oxygen out of the complete payroll.

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Are already on social media trashing this guy. It's an us against them mentality these days with athletes.....wait till the first giants players tommrow comments. Bet it wont be good

Yup, this is a bad look in today’s NFL. The players are becoming more powerful, look what AB did last weekend.

But these are grown ass men that make millions playing a game. If they have a problem with their boss they should do what the rest of the world does...Shut the fuck up and do your job

Two years ago. And the ones that are here aren’t lighting up the league. So they can either play their position or be on their way. Nobody on this team outside of Barkley is irreplaceable.

In comment 14329781 Mdgiantsfan said:

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In comment 14329755 Eric from BBI said: Quote: This is something that should not be discounted. He wore out his welcome in Carolina. I can't imagine what some of teammates of Collins and Beckham are thinking. Conversely, while Collins and Beckham (two of the best players on the team) were let go, they still continue to coddle Eli. The 2 rings carry a lot of weight with the organization, but how much weight does it carry for the rest of the roster that weren't there for it. As well as haven't seen Eli lift this team to greater heights. Getts better show some positive return on these moves quickly or the wheels could fall off before we know it!

To me Eli has nothing to do with this move today. He has one year left on his deal and then he is 99% done. The 17 million in cap space they would save by cutting him this year would not have much of an impact on the win loss column for this season.

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In comment 14329755 Eric from BBI said: Quote: This is something that should not be discounted. He wore out his welcome in Carolina. I can't imagine what some of teammates of Collins and Beckham are thinking. So what happens when Barkley says he's tired of losing two years from now? Do we trade him too?

If Dave’s still here “kicking ass”, he’d spin Barkley off for a trio of day 3 picks.

Grown ass men, these are young adults...second I say this as a football coach myself. Now admittedly I coach 10-12, however where do you think my players emulate there game and attitude after. Point is this style of coaching is no longer effective, I've taken countless seminars on this very matter. New England run is over and so is there way. It will never work In the NFL agian....book it

he was hired.

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he was hired.

Steve Smith trashes him every chance he can get

In comment 14329820 WeekendLife56 said:

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Grown ass men, these are young adults...second I say this as a football coach myself. Now admittedly I coach 10-12, however where do you think my players emulate there game and attitude after. Point is this style of coaching is no longer effective, I've taken countless seminars on this very matter. New England run is over and so is there way. It will never work In the NFL agian....book it

They won the super bowl a month ago.

because he's sooooo much smarter than everyone else when it comes to game planning and coaching. Take our idiot Shurmer and make him head coach, and Gettleman GM in NE today, let Bill B come to NYG and see the results in one year. Head Coaching is huge in the NFL - no one is even close to Bill B.

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but teamwise, there’s usually a different, perhaps much different, dynamic. He’s not losing the team. The fact may be just the opposite: Play your ass off or you’re gone..

Gone? They have OBJ what he wanted. Every player should be so lucky.

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In comment 14329826 NoGainDayne said: Quote: he was hired. Steve Smith trashes him every chance he can get

Josh Norman, too.

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In comment 14329763 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: but teamwise, there’s usually a different, perhaps much different, dynamic. He’s not losing the team. The fact may be just the opposite: Play your ass off or you’re gone.. Gone? They have OBJ what he wanted. Every player should be so lucky.

gave

As to say the oldest player in that lockeroom whos opinion anyone will listen to or care about is Solder, and unfortunately the young ones behind his back are probably discussing how overpaid he is anyway.

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. New team leaders need to step up and rev the culture to move forward. It also presents opportunities for development of others now knowing that a few guys are not sucking the oxygen out of the complete payroll.

Not a charity organization? Eli's basically the NFL's version of Make a Wish.

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In comment 14329826 NoGainDayne said: Quote: he was hired. Steve Smith trashes him every chance he can get

So what? Who gives a fuck what Steve Smith says? He was cut by Gettleman, no? So he has a hard on for him.

This may be apple's and oranges here

Last year I benched my best player and star running back for the last two games of the year. He cursed at another head coach and refuse to apologize.
This is what he said to me in response of the benching..

..dont matter coach, next year I'll play for creek and when I come play you I'll win. Went on to say he didnt need me I needed him (sound familiar)
...this year he will play for Creek...

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As to say the oldest player in that lockeroom whos opinion anyone will listen to or care about is Solder, and unfortunately the young ones behind his back are probably discussing how overpaid he is anyway.

Probably, instead of wondering how he got paid that much...such a dumb thing to say.

Please forgive my grammar it's late and I'm pissed....

the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program.

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How does BB do it in NE?... Does he hold their hands and coddle them?...No. He wins his way. Just Win. Players follow that. It takes time. Whoever doesn't agree with it can leave.

BB has the track record. Over nearly 20 years.

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This may be apple's and oranges here Last year I benched my best player and star running back for the last two games of the year. He cursed at another head coach and refuse to apologize. This is what he said to me in response of the benching.. ..dont matter coach, next year I'll play for creek and when I come play you I'll win. Went on to say he didnt need me I needed him (sound familiar) ...this year he will play for Creek...

That is a kid headed for trouble. What will he do in HS? You were right to bench him and I'd bet he will be a little shit for the next coach too.

I agree it's ridiculous, however that's how it works now. Everyone has an inflated view of themselves and respect is a thing of the past.

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the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program.

shit...should be genteel.

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the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program.

And there is a problem with that? You think BB or Nick Saban give a crap? I understand the coaches needing to be able to relate to the players, but the GM needs to be separate.

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the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program.

Gentile southerners? FWIW, Gettleman is a Jew for Jesus.

To say this what he will do in HS is score touchdowns, get passing grades he dont deserve and have admins and parents make excuses for him because he is "needed"....it's sad but it's real.

Your thread title is wrong. The possible problem is would have been more accurate.

Torrag....I would edit if I could

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I agree it's ridiculous, however that's how it works now. Everyone has an inflated view of themselves and respect is a thing of the past.

No it isn't. That is BS. Without a certain degree respect, there is anarchy. You do not win with anarchy. That is how the locker room got out of hand with McAdoo. And while Coughlin had to backoff and have his team council, what he got in trouble for was petty nonsense.

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To say this what he will do in HS is score touchdowns, get passing grades he dont deserve and have admins and parents make excuses for him because he is "needed"....it's sad but it's real.

Until he talks back to the wrong coach. He'd better be a superstar to get what you believe will happen. And chances are, the rest of the kids catch up physically to him and he isn't the same stud anymore.
But, yeah, we've seen it happen before - the excuses and tolerances as long as the team is winning.

In comment 14329767 Tesla said:

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In comment 14329755 Eric from BBI said: Quote: This is something that should not be discounted. He wore out his welcome in Carolina. I can't imagine what some of teammates of Collins and Beckham are thinking. So what happens when Barkley says he's tired of losing two years from now? Do we trade him too?

If Barkley starts sitting of games and posting not so cryptic messages about not wanting to play hurt because the Giants "burned bridges" then sure. Ship his ass out.

But its hard to imagine that with Barkley because he's not an asshole.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you are saying. I myself have yet to figure out how to walk that line.....

...personally I have considered stopping coaching.

Gettleman sucks

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Are already on social media trashing this guy. It's an us against them mentality these days with athletes.....wait till the first giants players tommrow comments. Bet it wont be good

Players trashed Coughlin when he was here. Remember those polls saying he was the one coach people didn't want to play for?

It'll blow over. As far as losing the locker room, what locker room? DG is blowing it up. I hope he continues to move guys out.

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the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program.

What are they laughing about? The number of Super Bowl trophies in their trophy case?

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In comment 14330041 bluepepper said: Quote: the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program. Gentile southerners? FWIW, Gettleman is a Jew for Jesus.

I meant genteel.

I may have just talked myself into believing we just did the right thing...

..dammit man I'm going to sleep before I start suggesting God know what....

In comment 14330143 bluepepper said:

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In comment 14330075 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 14330041 bluepepper said: Quote: the spin was that Dave was just too tough for the gentile southerners. No, maybe he's just a complete asshole with a need to constantly remind everyone that he's the boss and the rest of you need to just shut up and get with his program. Gentile southerners? FWIW, Gettleman is a Jew for Jesus. I meant genteel.

Haha

Best run franchise in the NFL run by a total hard ass who lets players go all the time.

When a team protects an underperforming aging player at the most important position in the game because of things accomplished (and very much appreciated) 10 years ago.
Trading and cutting talented guys but being very ok with occupying the bulk of cap space with a bottom third player at his position at this stage is how you lose a young locker room.

The giants were so bad last 2 years that the hurdle to be better is literally nothing- but notice where all the leaks will be coming from- not from the bulk of the players with regards to Beckham-

Patriots are an outlier. Biggest part of management is handling personalities.

Can be a hardass and keep players too.