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Pretty universal, the NFL Universe hates the Odell deal

PhilSimms15 : 3/13/2019 6:31 am
Like this article this am on espn.com, the trade is panned as totally inexplicable.


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waiting for quotes  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 6:34 am : link
from Giant players, present and past.

And waiting to hear from Shurmur, have to watch his body language to try and guess if he was all in
Oh no, ESPN doesn’t approve  
mfsd : 3/13/2019 6:36 am : link
the horror
many don't like the trade  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 6:38 am : link
for the Giants but that was a crappy article
Right now yes  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 6:39 am : link
It appears bad and we live in a right now world and that's okay. We are not winning anything this year or next year with a new QB. So we get more blocks to build a depleted roster and we keep working.
They treded one of the best receivers in football  
Oscar : 3/13/2019 6:41 am : link
In his prime, on a long term deal, for a bag of donuts. The return was not good.
OK  
mdthedream : 3/13/2019 6:41 am : link
so they think the Giants got less than the stealers? Brown is a better player and they got nothing compared to the Giants.
only way to judge trade  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 6:44 am : link
fairly is to have all the inside info.

but I did love the idea of them fixing that right tackle spot and seeing what Barkley and OBj could do together.
Brown and OBJ situations  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 6:47 am : link
Not as comparable as some think. Not saying Brown wasn't blameless, but Ben was a dick. Not the case with Eli.

Brown was trying to kake up ground for a 6th round 1st contract. And he had already had a full career.

OBJ got a big payday first go around and certainly didn't want to retire at 26 or 27.
RE: They treded one of the best receivers in football  
section125 : 3/13/2019 6:49 am : link
In comment 14330599 Oscar said:
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In his prime, on a long term deal, for a bag of donuts. The return was not good.


A 1st round, a 3rd round and a former 1st round starting safety with huge upside is a bag of donuts?

Cannot beat the stupid on this site. I'm an Odell fan and backed him through all the self inflicted wounds. I don't like that he was traded. But FFS, only in a fantasyland of Madden was anybody giving up much more than what the Browns gave up.
yeah hard to see any team giving up more  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 6:51 am : link
maybe next year's 2nd instead of this year's 3rd.
Huge upside??  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 6:52 am : link
Baaaahahahaha....i forget sometimes how stocked this place is with Michigan apologists.
Shurmur in Norman, OK reportedly  
Mark in ATL : 3/13/2019 6:52 am : link
Shurmur is in OK for their pro day, I believe, checking out Murray, Cody Ford, etc. All sorts of media types will be around so he’ll probably have to answer some questions there. Clemson pro Day tomorrow. Wonder if a different Giants scouting crew assigned for that?
Of course it’s inexplicable.....  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2019 6:56 am : link
If you are not privy to the factors going on behind the scenes. This is no a trade you make on purely football interests. Other teams were certainly aware of the tensions between OBJ and the Giants leadership. They may have not known the exact nature of the tensions but they didn’t need to. In these situations, the team trading the player never seems to get maximum trade value. Gettleman made a trade that he felt brought back the best possible return. OBJ bought this on himself. I’m sad to see him go and hope he will be happy in Cleveland. It was a deal that was unavoidable. Let the wailing commence and then move on.
RE: Right now yes  
M.S. : 3/13/2019 6:57 am : link
In comment 14330596 Joey in VA said:
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It appears bad and we live in a right now world and that's okay. We are not winning anything this year or next year with a new QB. So we get more blocks to build a depleted roster and we keep working.


This is the way it has gotta be!!!
For who?  
George from PA : 3/13/2019 6:57 am : link
It is hard to justify Cleveland side as well
AGAIN, name a star player that was traded who had a HUMONGOUS  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2019 6:59 am : link
salary/contract, that brought in a treasure trove of picks? Most likely, not many, if any at all..You can reasonably debate whether or not he should have been traded, that’s perfectly fine. But if you are going to pull the trigger with these financial type situations, what we received is probably the best you can do..

Also AGAIN, SF, who reportedly strongly desired OBJ, did NOT pull the trigger on a trade that would have yielded the 2nd top pick in the entire draft. I wonder why that is?
I wouldn't go dumping it all on Beckham  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 7:01 am : link
if you don't know all the problems he caused you certainly don't know his side of it.

And Maras, Tisch, Gettleman all get paid big bucks - biggest part of management is dealing with the personalities. No one knows how good or bad they are regarding that responsibilty.
Big Blue  
Chip : 3/13/2019 7:04 am : link
You are exactly right. The value of the contract plays a big part in value. AB 3rd and a 5th. We will add players with the salary dump that will factor in next year when we will have 80-90 mil cap space. OBJ gets hurt the team that only gets one player gets screwed. Still in shock
Boomer Easion  
joeinpa : 3/13/2019 7:06 am : link
Believes Giants made a good deal, not only in the return, but addition by subtraction
He's missed 16 games the last two years  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 7:07 am : link
That's a factor to consider.
RE: I wouldn't go dumping it all on Beckham  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2019 7:08 am : link
In comment 14330632 bc4life said:
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if you don't know all the problems he caused you certainly don't know his side of it.

And Maras, Tisch, Gettleman all get paid big bucks - biggest part of management is dealing with the personalities. No one knows how good or bad they are regarding that responsibilty.


Football is a job just like any other except the pay and profile is larger.. Most of us work for other people who pay us. When we no longer perform to the expectations of the people who pay us we are fired. In sports you are usually traded. In the end it’s all on the employee whether it’s sport or regular life. Ownership obviously felt that they bent over backwards to please OBJ and that those actions were not reciprocated.
So do the Giant Fans  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2019 7:08 am : link
On the surface, this deal sucks big time for the Giants.

But, there are things that went on that we don't know about about.

Still, the Giants needed to keep him one more year if you are keeping Eli.
RE: Boomer Easion  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2019 7:09 am : link
In comment 14330643 joeinpa said:
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Believes Giants made a good deal, not only in the return, but addition by subtraction


Of course he does. Did he say that with a straight face?
RE: I wouldn't go dumping it all on Beckham  
ron mexico : 3/13/2019 7:10 am : link
In comment 14330632 bc4life said:
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if you don't know all the problems he caused you certainly don't know his side of it.

And Maras, Tisch, Gettleman all get paid big bucks - biggest part of management is dealing with the personalities. No one knows how good or bad they are regarding that responsibilty.


It appears like they are quite bad at it.

At this point I rather have all the locker room cancers than the guys cleaning it out.
So many here felt they weren’t going to win this year anyway-  
Sean : 3/13/2019 7:11 am : link
So, why not load up on assets & get a young piece for the defense? We’ve got a ton of picks & hopefully the roster gets built up as Prescott & Wentz get mega contracts.
don't know all the inside info  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 7:13 am : link
nice theory that trade was compelled by OBJ's actions, again speculation.

Mara also ignored Kevin Gilbride's recommendation to upgrade the OLIne. OLine deteriorated, and in turn the team. Then Mara complained abut the offense being broken. Point being - Mara's judgement not always sound.
Doesn’t surprise me at all  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 7:14 am : link
Trading Beckham isn’t the issue. Getting a weak ass shitty haul back is the issue.
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GiantEgo : 3/13/2019 7:22 am : link
Hilarious! Yes, NFL punditry is always spot on!
ESPN liking it or not, it’s hard to dispute  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 7:27 am : link
That we got fleeced by Cleveland. Next to the definition of “haplesss” in the dictionary is their logo. Maybe Gettleman will trade me his car for this pint I found in my pocket.
Peter King  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/13/2019 7:34 am : link
Called the Giants an expansion team with a 38 year old QB. Warren Sharp also obliterated the Giants. I’m staying off Twitter for a few days.
Can anyone give me an example of a WR getting a bigger haul?  
Sean : 3/13/2019 7:36 am : link
Keyshawn Johnson? Eagles gave up nothing for TO. Antonio Brown?

Where are all these massive hauls for WR’s?
The Giants are the laughingstock of the NFL  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 7:41 am : link
Sad but true
RE: Can anyone give me an example of a WR getting a bigger haul?  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 7:41 am : link
In comment 14330724 Sean said:
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Keyshawn Johnson? Eagles gave up nothing for TO. Antonio Brown?

Where are all these massive hauls for WR’s?


If you don’t get a massive haul for your best, 27 year old player, maybe you keep him? Brown was holding out. The two scenarios were no where near the same.
RE: So many here felt they weren’t going to win this year anyway-  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 7:48 am : link
In comment 14330658 Sean said:
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So, why not load up on assets & get a young piece for the defense? We’ve got a ton of picks & hopefully the roster gets built up as Prescott & Wentz get mega contracts.


Because I'm pretty sure Beckham has more than one season left in his career.
Hysterical... now ESPN is "the NFL"..  
EricJ : 3/13/2019 7:49 am : link
when they are not even a real sports network anymore. They are to sports now as MTV is to music
RE: Hysterical... now ESPN is  
BamaBlue : 3/13/2019 7:52 am : link
In comment 14330770 EricJ said:
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when they are not even a real sports network anymore. They are to sports now as MTV is to music


Well said... +1
RE: RE: Boomer Easion  
joeinpa : 3/13/2019 8:08 am : link
In comment 14330650 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14330643 joeinpa said:


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Believes Giants made a good deal, not only in the return, but addition by subtraction


I don’t get your point. He seemed genuine in stating Gettleman did the correct thing. Is it your opinion that all his takes on this team have an anti Giants bias?


Of course he does. Did he say that with a straight face?
Again...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/13/2019 8:29 am : link
We knew who we re-signed last year. Beckham was the same person last year that he'd been since 2014.

I have a problem with the timing of the trade. Trade him last year and this is a win for NY. Trade him last night? It's a terrible allotment of resources. Talk yourself into whatever is needed to get through the day.. I get it. This was a loss for NY. We lost that trade.
RE: Again...  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 8:33 am : link
In comment 14330962 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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We knew who we re-signed last year. Beckham was the same person last year that he'd been since 2014.

I have a problem with the timing of the trade. Trade him last year and this is a win for NY. Trade him last night? It's a terrible allotment of resources. Talk yourself into whatever is needed to get through the day.. I get it. This was a loss for NY. We lost that trade.


That's what's most appalling about all of this. They could have had the same return then, except without the huge cap hit or taking the risk that Beckham might not have returned the same from injury.

The Gettleman apologists just figure him doing something stupid, then following it up with something else stupid as a correction is somehow admirable because it shows he doesn't dwell on his mistakes, as if there's no penalty for having made them in the first place.
RE: Again...  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14330962 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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We knew who we re-signed last year. Beckham was the same person last year that he'd been since 2014.

I have a problem with the timing of the trade. Trade him last year and this is a win for NY. Trade him last night? It's a terrible allotment of resources. Talk yourself into whatever is needed to get through the day.. I get it. This was a loss for NY. We lost that trade.


We shall see. I prefer to see how the draft and the rest of FA pans out
RE: RE: Again...  
AcidTest : 3/13/2019 8:54 am : link
In comment 14330990 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14330962 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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We knew who we re-signed last year. Beckham was the same person last year that he'd been since 2014.

I have a problem with the timing of the trade. Trade him last year and this is a win for NY. Trade him last night? It's a terrible allotment of resources. Talk yourself into whatever is needed to get through the day.. I get it. This was a loss for NY. We lost that trade.



That's what's most appalling about all of this. They could have had the same return then, except without the huge cap hit or taking the risk that Beckham might not have returned the same from injury.

The Gettleman apologists just figure him doing something stupid, then following it up with something else stupid as a correction is somehow admirable because it shows he doesn't dwell on his mistakes, as if there's no penalty for having made them in the first place.


+2.
Listen guys.... here is the bottom line...  
EricJ : 3/13/2019 9:00 am : link
If we traded him last year, he would have been worth less because of his contract situation.

We do not know what the other offers were from the other teams IF ANY. I keep seeing the word "fleeced" thrown around.

The market determines the value.. not the fans. If another team was negotiating with the Giants at any time and for a price better than what Cleveland was offering, we would have taken it.

Fans want to simply look at the guys talent and potential while ignoring everything else. Teams look at the entire picture when making huge decisions like this. There were likely very few teams willing to...
A. Give up a lot for Odell
B. Willing to take on that contract
C. Willing to accept the circus that would come with it.

Not sure why some people cannot see that and how that ultimately plays into the offers that we do and don't get for Odell.
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