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Why is dead cap money for GMEN a big deal?

giantstock : 3/13/2019 6:41 am
I'm not discussing why the trade was good or bad just have 2 questions-

If the team is in complete rebuild and they will end up being absolutely terrible in 2019 and in 2020 still not be a contender, what's the big deal having dead cap money if you still have significant money to sign many free agents?

Unless you expect to build your team through Free Agency?
Yup.  
yatqb : 3/13/2019 6:42 am : link
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It isn't  
DavidinBMNY : 3/13/2019 6:44 am : link
You are right. The team is finally starting to be built the right way through the line of scrimmage and the draft.

The Giants will have fantastic cap shape next year as there 3 highest players , obj, vernon and eli will all be gone or even if eli is retained it is at a reduced cap number.
It is  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 6:54 am : link
If you have a Twitter following and need to stoke fires. This is a tank year, next year with Eli, Odell off the books, we have more high picks, no dead money and plenty of cap space. DG has to get this right this year in the draft and next year and then we'll see what the plan was.
If you're going to have dead money  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2019 6:58 am : link
Do it all in 1 yr - take the big bath
It's not in and of itself  
madeinstars : 3/13/2019 7:06 am : link
But it's a clear sign of a poorly run franchise.
And dead money is a sunk cost  
BillT : 3/13/2019 7:10 am : link
It’s on the cap no matter what. Cap space is what’s important not dead money.
Why? Because it’s money  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/13/2019 7:11 am : link
That was spent poorly and the reason why your team sucks!
It isn’t a big deal  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 7:12 am : link
The last thing the Giants should be doing now is handing out big money FA contracts. They should be nowhere near the salary cap this year so the dead money is moot for 2019.

This year is a tank and wiping the slate clean for 2020.
Now that they are in full rebuild  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/13/2019 7:13 am : link
Who cares. But as usual this is late. Should have blown this shit up last year. Ownership is inept. One owner wants OBJ. One doesn’t. Supposedly.

Trade Collins don’t trade Collins. Keep Eli. Don’t. They certainly won’t be giving any discounts to to ticket holders. Anyone saying this ownership osnnt one of the worst is just willfully stupid

Why spends a dime or a minute watching next year? They deserveto be bored and disappointed. Bad football under the Mara family continues. . Tisch is obviously just as bad
I see a lot of criticism of Gettleman  
Chris L. : 3/13/2019 7:15 am : link
let's not forget the guy who single handedly set this franchise back 10 years....Jerry Reese!
Cap space and dead money are tied at the hip  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 7:15 am : link
They're directly related and dead money impacts your flexibility. Read: your ability to not just sign players to improve, but your ability to acquire players in trade by having the available cap space to take on a contract.

If the goal was to tear everything down and rebuild, then put as much dead money into one year as you can. Don't keep taking big hits every year. That's less money every year that you can use to build a roster with. It's hamstringing yourself. You can say it's a tank year or whatever, but if the goal is to re-build, you are still attempting to acquire talent over time.

The NFL gives you a finite allowance year to year to build a roster with and what you don't use in one year, you can carry over to help you the next year.
RE: I see a lot of criticism of Gettleman  
madeinstars : 3/13/2019 7:17 am : link
In comment 14330667 Chris L. said:
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let's not forget the guy who single handedly set this franchise back 10 years....Jerry Reese!


Just because Reese was bad, does not mean Gettleman is doing a good job. Building years upon years of bad management is how you become the Browns.
RE: Cap space and dead money are tied at the hip  
madeinstars : 3/13/2019 7:18 am : link
In comment 14330670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They're directly related and dead money impacts your flexibility. Read: your ability to not just sign players to improve, but your ability to acquire players in trade by having the available cap space to take on a contract.

If the goal was to tear everything down and rebuild, then put as much dead money into one year as you can. Don't keep taking big hits every year. That's less money every year that you can use to build a roster with. It's hamstringing yourself. You can say it's a tank year or whatever, but if the goal is to re-build, you are still attempting to acquire talent over time.

The NFL gives you a finite allowance year to year to build a roster with and what you don't use in one year, you can carry over to help you the next year.


Exactly that is why we should bite the bullet immediately on Jenkins and Ogletree as well.
RE: I see a lot of criticism of Gettleman  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/13/2019 7:21 am : link
In comment 14330667 Chris L. said:
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let's not forget the guy who single handedly set this franchise back 10 years....Jerry Reese!


While I agree that Reese may a huge reason they are up Shit’s creek right now it pretty obvious ownership is still majorly involved all the time. They wanted OBJ gone. Ownership is the issue as I posted. This team is screwed as long as they keep getting involved like this. Who kept Reese around year after his shitty drafts.
RE: Cap space and dead money are tied at the hip  
giantstock : 3/13/2019 7:27 am : link
In comment 14330670 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They're directly related and dead money impacts your flexibility. Read: your ability to not just sign players to improve, but your ability to acquire players in trade by having the available cap space to take on a contract.

If the goal was to tear everything down and rebuild, then put as much dead money into one year as you can. Don't keep taking big hits every year. That's less money every year that you can use to build a roster with. It's hamstringing yourself. You can say it's a tank year or whatever, but if the goal is to re-build, you are still attempting to acquire talent over time.

The NFL gives you a finite allowance year to year to build a roster with and what you don't use in one year, you can carry over to help you the next year.


But if you are in a rebuild -- and for the GMEN specifically -- not other teams -- why is it a big deal for this team that isn;t going to compete for titles this year or next?

If we are talking "in the now" just for Giants specifically-- you aren't looking to acquire a team with a payroll near the high limits, right? Thus the dead money isn't a big deal as of right now and probably not for 2020 is it because you aren;t going to be a contender, right?
RE: RE: Cap space and dead money are tied at the hip  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14330700 giantstock said:
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In comment 14330670 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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They're directly related and dead money impacts your flexibility. Read: your ability to not just sign players to improve, but your ability to acquire players in trade by having the available cap space to take on a contract.

If the goal was to tear everything down and rebuild, then put as much dead money into one year as you can. Don't keep taking big hits every year. That's less money every year that you can use to build a roster with. It's hamstringing yourself. You can say it's a tank year or whatever, but if the goal is to re-build, you are still attempting to acquire talent over time.

The NFL gives you a finite allowance year to year to build a roster with and what you don't use in one year, you can carry over to help you the next year.



But if you are in a rebuild -- and for the GMEN specifically -- not other teams -- why is it a big deal for this team that isn;t going to compete for titles this year or next?

If we are talking "in the now" just for Giants specifically-- you aren't looking to acquire a team with a payroll near the high limits, right? Thus the dead money isn't a big deal as of right now and probably not for 2020 is it because you aren;t going to be a contender, right?


Ordinarily yes, but look at the moves they've made: They're short term moves. They spent huge money on a 30 year old tackle and traded for a 29 year old guard.

If the Giants are planning for 2020, why acquire players who will be 32 when you're trying to compete?

Chris Snee, Dave Diehl and Shaun O'Hara were done and out of the league by age 32.
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