Picks in Vernon trade have been "unflipped"

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Actually, I thought about that when the trade was announced and wondered have DG couldn't at least get the 4th round pick back. So, at least it is something.

Odell & a 5 for
Peppers, 1, 3 & 4

Gettleman will be thrilled.

In comment 14330763 Sean said:

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1st 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th Nice haul of picks.

Yep. Isn’t this what the majority of this board has been calling for the past several seasons.

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In comment 14330832 JonC said:

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Or a better 3.

the Giants had 12 picks in the 7 round era.

He may use them to trade up in some spots...

In comment 14330771 Tesla said:

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In comment 14330763 Sean said: Quote: 1st 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th Nice haul of picks. Just think of all the mid-round QB's we'll be able to pick to replace Lauletta!!!

In comment 14330824 joeinpa said:

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In comment 14330763 Sean said: Yep. Isn’t this what the majority of this board has been calling for the past several seasons.

Right. Folks wanted a complete reboot, which it appears we are headed for. Now, they are mad about it. I guess mad about the compensation. But, if you are rebuilding, trading OBJ makes sense. But, so does dumping Eli.

In comment 14330832 JonC said:

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Dave Gettleman, master negotiator. Buy high, sell low.

In comment 14330763 Sean said:

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1st 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th Nice haul of picks.

The 3rd is essentially a 4th.

In comment 14330771 Tesla said:

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In comment 14330763 Sean said: Quote: 1st 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th Nice haul of picks. Just think of all the mid-round QB's we'll be able to pick to replace Lauletta!!!

Who was the Senior Bowl MVP? Might as well make it three years in a row.

are where your scouting can impact your team the most. positioning doesnt matter that much as boards will drift farther apart from team to team. these rounds will dictate future success and failure

You have to figure Gettleman will leverage some of that to move and target player in this draft. It is going to be one heck of a fun night.

In comment 14330832 JonC said:

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Agreed. I didn't want to trade him, but we needed a lot more at a minimum. "Unflipping" the picks isn't nearly enough.

In comment 14330866 Beer Man said:

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In comment 14330771 Tesla said: Quote: In comment 14330763 Sean said: Quote: 1st 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th Nice haul of picks. Just think of all the mid-round QB's we'll be able to pick to replace Lauletta!!! Who was the Senior Bowl MVP? Might as well make it three years in a row.

Daniel Jones

Let’s hope the draft picks are maximized.

But isn't this supposed to be a meh draft class?

(I hope I'm wrong)

-Jerry Reese

In comment 14330751 DonnieD89 said:

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Yes 8mdeed, I will take this too! Every little bit helps.

In comment 14331022 Jay in Toronto said:

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But isn't this supposed to be a meh draft class? (I hope I'm wrong)

This is the deepest DL and OL draft in a decade!

We have a lot more to look forward to this draft season. Unless of course we screw up and trade some picks for some declining player

who came in here with a 36 year old QB in complete decline who just won 3 games would have cut him, drafted Darnold and then, even if he made all the bonehead moves DG made last year, would have come into this offseason with his QB situation under control and an additional $28 Million in cap space. Probably would have had a higher draft pick this year too. The pain would be over and we'd be building towards a championship instead of working on year two of a teardown.

to give us Perriman for a 5th.

In comment 14331065 WillieYoung said:

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who came in here with a 36 year old QB in complete decline who just won 3 games would have cut him, drafted Darnold and then, even if he made all the bonehead moves DG made last year, would have come into this offseason with his QB situation under control and an additional $28 Million in cap space. Probably would have had a higher draft pick this year too. The pain would be over and we'd be building towards a championship instead of working on year two of a teardown.

I disagree. Eli still easily had at least two good years left, just like Rivers and Ben. You saw how he played in second half after we got JBrown.

it appears we have the following picks:
1.06 (06)
1.17 (17) from CLE
2.05 (37)
3.31 (95) from NE via CLE
4.06 (108)
4.30 (132) from NO
5.02 (140) from SF via DET
5.05 (143)
5.33 (171) compensatory
6.07 (180)
7.18 (232) from MIN
7.31 (245) from LAR

Spotrac 2019 NFL Draft Tracker (Before "Unswapping") - ( New Window )

I thought we were getting Detroit's 5th round pick, which would be 5.08 (146). Can anyone confirm that we are getting 140 instead?

the Giants are going to trade for Rosen and will dangle the 3rd they got in the Odell trade, and perhaps now this 4th. I don't think they will give up a first rounder and I think they won't give up the 2nd rounder either, since there is no market for Rosen. They might also offer the 3rd and one of their 5ths for him.

Remember, if the Cardinals are getting Murray, they have to get rid of Rosen. And if the scouts feel that Rosen is right there with a Haskins or Lock, I'd rather use a 3rd rounder on a trade to bring him in and use the 2 firsts and the 2nd to reload the defense and the mid round picks on the WRs.

To me, the worst possible move is packaging 6 and 17 to move up for Haskins.

In comment 14330980 jeff57 said:

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In comment 14330866 Beer Man said: Quote: In comment 14330771 Tesla said: Quote: In comment 14330763 Sean said: Quote: 1st 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 5th 5th 6th 7th 7th Nice haul of picks. Just think of all the mid-round QB's we'll be able to pick to replace Lauletta!!! Who was the Senior Bowl MVP? Might as well make it three years in a row. Daniel Jones

I knew that, I was just being a smart ass

In comment 14331065 WillieYoung said:

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who came in here with a 36 year old QB in complete decline who just won 3 games would have cut him, drafted Darnold and then, even if he made all the bonehead moves DG made last year, would have come into this offseason with his QB situation under control and an additional $28 Million in cap space. Probably would have had a higher draft pick this year too. The pain would be over and we'd be building towards a championship instead of working on year two of a teardown.

I'll give Gettleman one benefit of the doubt, if he was going to cut Eli immediately he wouldn't have gotten the job.

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This is kind of my thought. I really wish he could have gotten their 2 instead of or accompanied by their shitty 3rd.

In comment 14331163 bigbluescot said:

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In comment 14331065 WillieYoung said: Quote: who came in here with a 36 year old QB in complete decline who just won 3 games would have cut him, drafted Darnold and then, even if he made all the bonehead moves DG made last year, would have come into this offseason with his QB situation under control and an additional $28 Million in cap space. Probably would have had a higher draft pick this year too. The pain would be over and we'd be building towards a championship instead of working on year two of a teardown. I'll give Gettleman one benefit of the doubt, if he was going to cut Eli immediately he wouldn't have gotten the job.

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Well, he can certainly cut Eli now and probably should,
just start over now. There is no sense keeping him here.

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I agree Jon... but I have to think they see that he hasn't had that "extra gear" he displayed before that injury. If he doesn't get that back I am OK with what we got. If he does get it back... I will be (very) bummed.

In comment 14331391 Carson53 said:

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Well, he can certainly cut Eli now and probably should, just start over now. There is no sense keeping him here.

I'm not sure why people keep saying this. Gettleman has already stated that he likes the KC/Mahomes model of having a young QB sit and mentor behind a good and experienced starting QB. Unless he reties Eli is not going anywhere in 2019.

NOT reties

one hell of a negotiator..

in the draft, which would probably take the 1st and 2nd round picks.

Or use picks to get players to put around Manning so he can take another shot.

Remember that rookies, even 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks need time to develop

Didn't DG say that he wanted to pick his franchise QB this year, and that you could only find them in the first round?

No one wants to give up 1st and 2nd, but if you can get the guy you most think will occupy the most important position on the team for next ten years, it's hard to pass that up.

Next year if they only have the 16th pick in the first round they'll just have to settle for whatever QBs are still around, and they'll still probably have to trade up.

In comment 14331122 RawhideMarshall said:

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I thought we were getting Detroit's 5th round pick, which would be 5.08 (146). Can anyone confirm that we are getting 140 instead?

We got the pick they got from SF.

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In comment 14331391 Carson53 said: Quote: Well, he can certainly cut Eli now and probably should, just start over now. There is no sense keeping him here. I'm not sure why people keep saying this. Gettleman has already stated that he likes the KC/Mahomes model of having a young QB sit and mentor behind a good and experienced starting QB. Unless he reties Eli is not going anywhere in 2019.

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Gettleman also said "I didn't sign Odell to trade him'.
The Giants are in total rebuild now. I like Matt SGS post
above, about possibly getting Rosen. If the Cardinals
draft Murray, the Giants make a play on Rosen.
I would try a 3rd and 5th for him (try to hold on to 2nd)

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In comment 14330832 JonC said: Quote: . This is kind of my thought. I really wish he could have gotten their 2 instead of or accompanied by their shitty 3rd.

Or at least the Browns actual 3rd not the one they got from New England. How do you not pull that off in a negotiation??? How!?

I hope it’s a 2020 pick, too many holes to fill this year. 2020 cap space can be used for FA

In comment 14331139 Matt in SGS said:

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the Giants are going to trade for Rosen and will dangle the 3rd they got in the Odell trade, and perhaps now this 4th. I don't think they will give up a first rounder and I think they won't give up the 2nd rounder either, since there is no market for Rosen. They might also offer the 3rd and one of their 5ths for him. Remember, if the Cardinals are getting Murray, they have to get rid of Rosen. And if the scouts feel that Rosen is right there with a Haskins or Lock, I'd rather use a 3rd rounder on a trade to bring him in and use the 2 firsts and the 2nd to reload the defense and the mid round picks on the WRs. To me, the worst possible move is packaging 6 and 17 to move up for Haskins.

One big common theme for DG both in Carolina and here is changing the character of a team. Almost all the guys DG has moved on from big players included all had some sort of attitude or I instead of team.

I dont know if Rosen fits that mold or not because there is alot of conflicting information on his personality but DG and the Giants likely have formed an opinion on that by now.

In comment 14330777 bc4life said:

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2 1st round picks?

Not sure that it was the last time, but in 1984 the Giants had two 1st round picks and took Carl Banks and William Roberts. That worked that fine.

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In comment 14331470 Johnny5 said: Quote: In comment 14331391 Carson53 said: Quote: Well, he can certainly cut Eli now and probably should, just start over now. There is no sense keeping him here. I'm not sure why people keep saying this. Gettleman has already stated that he likes the KC/Mahomes model of having a young QB sit and mentor behind a good and experienced starting QB. Unless he reties Eli is not going anywhere in 2019. . Gettleman also said "I didn't sign Odell to trade him'. The Giants are in total rebuild now. I like Matt SGS post above, about possibly getting Rosen. If the Cardinals draft Murray, the Giants make a play on Rosen. I would try a 3rd and 5th for him (try to hold on to 2nd)

I hear ya, we just don't know what's true and what's not... lol. I think after they shopped OBj last year they fully expected to keep him. But then he started pulling some antics.... They said as much.

On Rosen? I am 100% on board with that. I really don't think the FO is looking at this as an option... but even if it were to go down (and I would be PSYCHED to have Rosen and Barkley from last years draft!) I still don't see them dropping Eli. I think he leaves on his own, they restructure, or he is cut loose after next season.

In comment 14331139 Matt in SGS said:

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the Giants are going to trade for Rosen and will dangle the 3rd they got in the Odell trade, and perhaps now this 4th. I don't think they will give up a first rounder and I think they won't give up the 2nd rounder either, since there is no market for Rosen. They might also offer the 3rd and one of their 5ths for him. Remember, if the Cardinals are getting Murray, they have to get rid of Rosen. And if the scouts feel that Rosen is right there with a Haskins or Lock, I'd rather use a 3rd rounder on a trade to bring him in and use the 2 firsts and the 2nd to reload the defense and the mid round picks on the WRs. To me, the worst possible move is packaging 6 and 17 to move up for Haskins.

Bet they give AZ their 2nd and 3rd for Rosen, which I am fine with. Two 1sts for the D, and Rosen. I'll take it

In comment 14331568 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 14331211 bradshaw44 said: Quote: In comment 14330832 JonC said: Quote: . This is kind of my thought. I really wish he could have gotten their 2 instead of or accompanied by their shitty 3rd. Or at least the Browns actual 3rd not the one they got from New England. How do you not pull that off in a negotiation??? How!?

15 position difference-Browns original is #80,we got #95 Such a shrewd negotiator that Gettleman is! SMH

In comment 14330777 bc4life said:

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2 1st round picks?

2009 right? Nicks and Beatty.

D/OL/WR strong in the middle rounds.

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it is to position for a player in the draft he really likes. This is what DG loves, lots of picks and finding a gem in the later rounds. MO.