Picks in Vernon trade have been "unflipped"

in the draft, which would probably take the 1st and 2nd round picks.

Or use picks to get players to put around Manning so he can take another shot.

Remember that rookies, even 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks need time to develop

Didn't DG say that he wanted to pick his franchise QB this year, and that you could only find them in the first round?

No one wants to give up 1st and 2nd, but if you can get the guy you most think will occupy the most important position on the team for next ten years, it's hard to pass that up.

Next year if they only have the 16th pick in the first round they'll just have to settle for whatever QBs are still around, and they'll still probably have to trade up.

In comment 14331122 RawhideMarshall said:

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I thought we were getting Detroit's 5th round pick, which would be 5.08 (146). Can anyone confirm that we are getting 140 instead?

We got the pick they got from SF.

In comment 14331470 Johnny5 said:

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In comment 14331391 Carson53 said: Quote: Well, he can certainly cut Eli now and probably should, just start over now. There is no sense keeping him here. I'm not sure why people keep saying this. Gettleman has already stated that he likes the KC/Mahomes model of having a young QB sit and mentor behind a good and experienced starting QB. Unless he reties Eli is not going anywhere in 2019.

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Gettleman also said "I didn't sign Odell to trade him'.
The Giants are in total rebuild now. I like Matt SGS post
above, about possibly getting Rosen. If the Cardinals
draft Murray, the Giants make a play on Rosen.
I would try a 3rd and 5th for him (try to hold on to 2nd)

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In comment 14330832 JonC said: Quote: . This is kind of my thought. I really wish he could have gotten their 2 instead of or accompanied by their shitty 3rd.

Or at least the Browns actual 3rd not the one they got from New England. How do you not pull that off in a negotiation??? How!?

I hope it’s a 2020 pick, too many holes to fill this year. 2020 cap space can be used for FA

In comment 14331139 Matt in SGS said:

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the Giants are going to trade for Rosen and will dangle the 3rd they got in the Odell trade, and perhaps now this 4th. I don't think they will give up a first rounder and I think they won't give up the 2nd rounder either, since there is no market for Rosen. They might also offer the 3rd and one of their 5ths for him. Remember, if the Cardinals are getting Murray, they have to get rid of Rosen. And if the scouts feel that Rosen is right there with a Haskins or Lock, I'd rather use a 3rd rounder on a trade to bring him in and use the 2 firsts and the 2nd to reload the defense and the mid round picks on the WRs. To me, the worst possible move is packaging 6 and 17 to move up for Haskins.

One big common theme for DG both in Carolina and here is changing the character of a team. Almost all the guys DG has moved on from big players included all had some sort of attitude or I instead of team.

I dont know if Rosen fits that mold or not because there is alot of conflicting information on his personality but DG and the Giants likely have formed an opinion on that by now.

In comment 14330777 bc4life said:

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2 1st round picks?

Not sure that it was the last time, but in 1984 the Giants had two 1st round picks and took Carl Banks and William Roberts. That worked that fine.

In comment 14331562 Carson53 said:

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In comment 14331470 Johnny5 said: Quote: In comment 14331391 Carson53 said: Quote: Well, he can certainly cut Eli now and probably should, just start over now. There is no sense keeping him here. I'm not sure why people keep saying this. Gettleman has already stated that he likes the KC/Mahomes model of having a young QB sit and mentor behind a good and experienced starting QB. Unless he reties Eli is not going anywhere in 2019. . Gettleman also said "I didn't sign Odell to trade him'. The Giants are in total rebuild now. I like Matt SGS post above, about possibly getting Rosen. If the Cardinals draft Murray, the Giants make a play on Rosen. I would try a 3rd and 5th for him (try to hold on to 2nd)

I hear ya, we just don't know what's true and what's not... lol. I think after they shopped OBj last year they fully expected to keep him. But then he started pulling some antics.... They said as much.

On Rosen? I am 100% on board with that. I really don't think the FO is looking at this as an option... but even if it were to go down (and I would be PSYCHED to have Rosen and Barkley from last years draft!) I still don't see them dropping Eli. I think he leaves on his own, they restructure, or he is cut loose after next season.

In comment 14331139 Matt in SGS said:

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the Giants are going to trade for Rosen and will dangle the 3rd they got in the Odell trade, and perhaps now this 4th. I don't think they will give up a first rounder and I think they won't give up the 2nd rounder either, since there is no market for Rosen. They might also offer the 3rd and one of their 5ths for him. Remember, if the Cardinals are getting Murray, they have to get rid of Rosen. And if the scouts feel that Rosen is right there with a Haskins or Lock, I'd rather use a 3rd rounder on a trade to bring him in and use the 2 firsts and the 2nd to reload the defense and the mid round picks on the WRs. To me, the worst possible move is packaging 6 and 17 to move up for Haskins.

Bet they give AZ their 2nd and 3rd for Rosen, which I am fine with. Two 1sts for the D, and Rosen. I'll take it

In comment 14331568 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 14331211 bradshaw44 said: Quote: In comment 14330832 JonC said: Quote: . This is kind of my thought. I really wish he could have gotten their 2 instead of or accompanied by their shitty 3rd. Or at least the Browns actual 3rd not the one they got from New England. How do you not pull that off in a negotiation??? How!?

15 position difference-Browns original is #80,we got #95 Such a shrewd negotiator that Gettleman is! SMH

In comment 14330777 bc4life said:

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2 1st round picks?

2009 right? Nicks and Beatty.

D/OL/WR strong in the middle rounds.

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it is to position for a player in the draft he really likes. This is what DG loves, lots of picks and finding a gem in the later rounds. MO.