I think a lot of us were running pretty hot last night in the immediate aftermath of the trade. Now, having slept on it, anyone change their opinion on this deal?
I'm not as down on it as I first was. Odell's been often injured, he clearly didn't want to be here, & it's not like this team has been crushing it since he got here in '14, though that's obviously not all on him.
I just hope DG has a plan.
Just another day...
I don’t mind this trade.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
You all said we weren’t going to win next year anyway, so why is everyone so pissed off?
Whose consensus? Madden?
Yes, I agree on missing watching Odell play.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The trade isn’t even complete. I don’t get your viewpoint at all, you’ve said over and over again this team was multiple years away even with Beckham.
But if this is essentially a tank year I'm going to find something else to do with my Sundays.
You can't tell me he couldn't get #80 over #95. I mean seriously the browns wouldn't have walked. He should have fought for that at least...
Poor evaluation of situation, poor foresight, bad decisions...
First off - Peppers is going to likely play the moneybacker role here, which is basically what Derwin James is doing in LA and Minkah Fitzpatrick is doing in Miami.
We wanted Bucannon for that role, but he ultimately chose TB - this will be an important piece for Bettcher and one we'll be glad we have.
Beyond that - truth is, Beckham has been unable to finish each of the last 2 years. He's missed games due to injury in 3 of his 5 seasons so far. There's a possibility that either of these things could have happened...
A. The injuries start to sap him of the explosion that have made him the great player he's been and he won't be the same long-term
B. The situation becomes AB - we lose leverage, have to take what we can get (far less than we got)
Teams actually don't typically make out well when they trade WR's like this - we did pretty well.
We may not have been able to recoup this same package for him if we waited a year+.
I honestly think we'll look back at this and realize it made sense. I was as big a fan of watching Beckham as anyone here - I think everyone knows that. I'm not going to kick him on his way out and I hope he does well in Cleveland - I really do.
But for where we are, and what we're doing - I think this makes sense.
The only scenario that was going to infuriate me was a "give Odell away" type of deal - i.e... AB.
I think we got a pretty solid coup, honestly.
I don’t mind this trade.
Agree. He said this all along. It appears he is taking a different strategy compared to other franchises that are pass first. Cannot say I agree with it or not, but if this is successful, I would be happy to see bruising, wear the other team down, football back.
Wish we had gotten more for him, but we essentially got 4 players. Given the length of careers in the NFL and games missed to injury, I'm willing to live with this deal.
If DG had done this trade last year, it would be one thing. But the fact that they paid him, 8 months ago or so... Then trade him... Fully going into rebuild mode a year after they didn't draft a franchise QB...
IDK man. I get that some of us are waiving the Giants flag and hoping for the best... But I feel as though last night was an unmitigated disaster.
I haven't seen or heard one analysist that has said this was a good deal for NY.
I'll hope for the best but DG has done zero to inspire confidence. Zero.
First off - Peppers is going to likely play the moneybacker role here, which is basically what Derwin James is doing in LA and Minkah Fitzpatrick is doing in Miami.
We wanted Bucannon for that role, but he ultimately chose TB - this will be an important piece for Bettcher and one we'll be glad we have.
Beyond that - truth is, Beckham has been unable to finish each of the last 2 years. He's missed games due to injury in 3 of his 5 seasons so far. There's a possibility that either of these things could have happened...
A. The injuries start to sap him of the explosion that have made him the great player he's been and he won't be the same long-term
B. The situation becomes AB - we lose leverage, have to take what we can get (far less than we got)
Teams actually don't typically make out well when they trade WR's like this - we did pretty well.
We may not have been able to recoup this same package for him if we waited a year+.
I honestly think we'll look back at this and realize it made sense. I was as big a fan of watching Beckham as anyone here - I think everyone knows that. I'm not going to kick him on his way out and I hope he does well in Cleveland - I really do.
But for where we are, and what we're doing - I think this makes sense.
The only scenario that was going to infuriate me was a "give Odell away" type of deal - i.e... AB.
I think we got a pretty solid coup, honestly.
That was the best post I've ever read here. Thank you.
You all said we weren’t going to win next year anyway, so why is everyone so pissed off?
I wouldn’t call 4 top 100 picks a haul. Everything after that has a very low success rate
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The instant analysis of trades is often proven wrong.
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Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The trade isn’t even complete. I don’t get your viewpoint at all, you’ve said over and over again this team was multiple years away even with Beckham.
The return was underwhelming, which is a constant in just about every trade DG’s consummated here. This was the one trade he could not lose and by all accounts (both in the media and by 95% of the fans here) he did. I mean the last pick (95) in the third?? He couldn’t substitute Peppers for a fucking 2nd rounder?? And speaking of Peppers, how good is he, really?
If he drafts well everyone will forget about this.
If he doesn’t, everyone will throw the Beckham trade along with all of the other trades back in his face.
The 19 draft is going to shape this team for the next five years minimum, for better or worse.
Onto the draft. Should be fun.
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Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The trade isn’t even complete. I don’t get your viewpoint at all, you’ve said over and over again this team was multiple years away even with Beckham.
The return was underwhelming, which is a constant in just about every trade DG’s consummated here. This was the one trade he could not lose and by all accounts (both in the media and by 95% of the fans here) he did. I mean the last pick (95) in the third?? He couldn’t substitute Peppers for a fucking 2nd rounder?? And speaking of Peppers, how good is he, really?
I don't think you're accurately measuring the return - by what standard is it "underwhelming" ? We need some context here.
Moss went to Oakland for a similar return. Owens fetched less when he went to PHI. Brown only netted a 3 and a 5.
What are we looking at to determine we should have got more?
A 1 and 3....ans get back our 4th.
Plus 19 million next year.
I can tell you...that I will hate if we move up for a QB....stay at 6!!!
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to be determined if it will help team in long run, but very clear consensus that we could have gotten more for him and we 100% lost the ability to watch one of the most exciting players in the NFL play for us.
Whose consensus? Madden?
Yes, I agree on missing watching Odell play.
You don't think there's a consensus that we got hosed? Really? Are you living under a rock? Can you point to ONE serious third party who things we made a great trade here?
The return was underwhelming, which is a constant in just about every trade DG’s consummated here. This was the one trade he could not lose and by all accounts (both in the media and by 95% of the fans here) he did. I mean the last pick (95) in the third?? He couldn’t substitute Peppers for a fucking 2nd rounder?? And speaking of Peppers, how good is he, really?
Seeing as how they got the 4th rounder back from the Zeitler trade(giving a #5 instead) and knowing that they have a starting SS in Peppers, he is clearly better than having a #2 (an NFL starter is better than a guess).
This is not Madden. You do not get to dictate terms to another team. They get to have a say in the trade too. Just who can tell us that there was more for Odell with 100% certainty.
If he drafts well everyone will forget about this.
Sorry, but we will never "forget" losing the ability to root for one of the most talented and exciting players to ever play the WR position. Even if it makes us a a better team in the long run (which is highly doubtful).
Maybe we did get shorted a bit, but not nearly as much as the hand wringing would suggest. I seriously doubt Gettleman turned down a better offer, and I'm guessing that this was, more or less, going to be the max offer. They decided that it was good enough when paired with the alleged rapidly declining relationship between OBJ and management.
But, I tend to think OBJ is a tad over rated, especially when you add in his injury history and his mouth/antics.
If they'd chosen not to re-sign him, some would be bitching they let him go for nothing.
He seems more like a fun team mate than a good team player. There's a difference.
Just another day...
Thanks, Eli Apple
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Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The trade isn’t even complete. I don’t get your viewpoint at all, you’ve said over and over again this team was multiple years away even with Beckham.
The return was underwhelming, which is a constant in just about every trade DG’s consummated here. This was the one trade he could not lose and by all accounts (both in the media and by 95% of the fans here) he did. I mean the last pick (95) in the third?? He couldn’t substitute Peppers for a fucking 2nd rounder?? And speaking of Peppers, how good is he, really?
I don't think you're accurately measuring the return - by what standard is it "underwhelming" ? We need some context here.
Moss went to Oakland for a similar return. Owens fetched less when he went to PHI. Brown only netted a 3 and a 5.
What are we looking at to determine we should have got more?
I’ve already outlined what at the very least could be deemed “fair”:
Cleveland’s 1
Cleveland’s 2 (this year OR next year)
Cleveland’s 3 (their 3 at 80, not the Pats’ 3 they received at 95)
If DG couldn’t get that, he should have had the wherewithal to say NO.
There’s a reason why he looks like a horse’s ass today all over the internet and television. We’re lucky to have him.
A receiver who is 4 and a half years older and quite possibly losing his mind.
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Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The trade isn’t even complete. I don’t get your viewpoint at all, you’ve said over and over again this team was multiple years away even with Beckham.
The return was underwhelming, which is a constant in just about every trade DG’s consummated here. This was the one trade he could not lose and by all accounts (both in the media and by 95% of the fans here) he did. I mean the last pick (95) in the third?? He couldn’t substitute Peppers for a fucking 2nd rounder?? And speaking of Peppers, how good is he, really?
I don't think you're accurately measuring the return - by what standard is it "underwhelming" ? We need some context here.
Moss went to Oakland for a similar return. Owens fetched less when he went to PHI. Brown only netted a 3 and a 5.
What are we looking at to determine we should have got more?
I’ve already outlined what at the very least could be deemed “fair”:
Cleveland’s 1
Cleveland’s 2 (this year OR next year)
Cleveland’s 3 (their 3 at 80, not the Pats’ 3 they received at 95)
If DG couldn’t get that, he should have had the wherewithal to say NO.
There’s a reason why he looks like a horse’s ass today all over the internet and television. We’re lucky to have him.
Your view of "fair" isn't reality.
That's the problem. You had unrealistic expectations...
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less for a better WR.
A receiver who is 4 and a half years older and quite possibly losing his mind.
Still better than OBJ and we got a lot more for him. OBJ is also an injury risk as well.
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to be determined if it will help team in long run, but very clear consensus that we could have gotten more for him and we 100% lost the ability to watch one of the most exciting players in the NFL play for us.
Whose consensus? Madden?
Yes, I agree on missing watching Odell play.
You don't think there's a consensus that we got hosed? Really? Are you living under a rock? Can you point to ONE serious third party who things we made a great trade here?
It wasn't a great trade. Did they get hosed? Prove to me they got hosed. You can't. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Just because we think he was worth 2 1sts and a 2nd, doesn't mean that it is true. Inflated beliefs in a players value by its fans aren't proof of anything. If he was worth so much, where was SF? Where was NE or any other team interested in OBJ? Do you think DG turned down a better deal? Who was it with?
I'm an Odell fan. I want the moon for him. But I am realistic and understand that not many teams can afford $21 mill per for an oft injured WR. The market is quite small. Name the teams that could afford him. Name the teams that wanted him. Now get them to give what you want.
This is where I’m at - I really think seeing what AB pulled with the Steelers motivated DG and the Giants to get what they could for OBJ now.
It’s not as good as we thought we could get (and likely could have gotten last year), but it’s better than getting held hostage like that
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Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade.
That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.
The trade isn’t even complete. I don’t get your viewpoint at all, you’ve said over and over again this team was multiple years away even with Beckham.
The return was underwhelming, which is a constant in just about every trade DG’s consummated here. This was the one trade he could not lose and by all accounts (both in the media and by 95% of the fans here) he did. I mean the last pick (95) in the third?? He couldn’t substitute Peppers for a fucking 2nd rounder?? And speaking of Peppers, how good is he, really?
I don't think you're accurately measuring the return - by what standard is it "underwhelming" ? We need some context here.
Moss went to Oakland for a similar return. Owens fetched less when he went to PHI. Brown only netted a 3 and a 5.
What are we looking at to determine we should have got more?
I’ve already outlined what at the very least could be deemed “fair”:
Cleveland’s 1
Cleveland’s 2 (this year OR next year)
Cleveland’s 3 (their 3 at 80, not the Pats’ 3 they received at 95)
If DG couldn’t get that, he should have had the wherewithal to say NO.
There’s a reason why he looks like a horse’s ass today all over the internet and television. We’re lucky to have him.
I'm not so sure he was in a position to say no. Let's say he does. Rejects Cleveland's offer and keeps OBJ. Is OBJ a person who can play for a team he doesn't want to? The chances were pretty high he pulls an AB and demands to be traded and we're left with zero leverage.
Another poster mentioned that you don't get the "haul" that you think you should get from trading diva WRs. I agree.
You guys can convince yourself we got a great haul back. You can convince yourself that we’ll get a player at 17 that will sniff his productivity, that the last pick of the third round is a valuable commodity (we couldn’t even get the higher of their two thirds), and that Jabril Peppers is the missing piece our secondary needed since we just let our All-Pro safety walk out the door for zero return.
“Peppers was a first round pick”, you say, as if that makes it the same as getting a first round pick this year. When instead we got a nice player already two years closer to the end of his rookie contract.
The Giants haven’t even updated their website this morning. Their biggest news is still resigning Penny. Take that as a conscious or subconscious expression of how even they know what a shit sandwich this is to swallow.
Now there will be a flood of unsubstantiated rumors about how much of a problem he was behind the scenes, even though he was universally loved by his teammates. We’ll hear that the distractions were too much to deal with, even though they made him the highest paid WR in history half a year before.
The other teams in our division are all celebrating today. The morning after? It’s no better than the night before.
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to be determined if it will help team in long run, but very clear consensus that we could have gotten more for him
The Giants likely got what they could for Beckham. The question isn't if they could have gotten more - it is should they have traded him for what they got.
After sleeping on it, I don't like the return, but don't think it is a colossal fuckup. I do hinge on two things:
1) We did fuckup massively by signing him to that contract - and left with dead cap because of it
2) We need to cut Eli or those saying we don't have a plan will be dead on
So, labeling him that is... not accurate.