The morning after...

In comment 14330902 arcarsenal said:

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It's not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. First off - Peppers is going to likely play the moneybacker role here, which is basically what Derwin James is doing in LA and Minkah Fitzpatrick is doing in Miami. We wanted Bucannon for that role, but he ultimately chose TB - this will be an important piece for Bettcher and one we'll be glad we have. Beyond that - truth is, Beckham has been unable to finish each of the last 2 years. He's missed games due to injury in 3 of his 5 seasons so far. There's a possibility that either of these things could have happened... A. The injuries start to sap him of the explosion that have made him the great player he's been and he won't be the same long-term B. The situation becomes AB - we lose leverage, have to take what we can get (far less than we got) Teams actually don't typically make out well when they trade WR's like this - we did pretty well. We may not have been able to recoup this same package for him if we waited a year+. I honestly think we'll look back at this and realize it made sense. I was as big a fan of watching Beckham as anyone here - I think everyone knows that. I'm not going to kick him on his way out and I hope he does well in Cleveland - I really do. But for where we are, and what we're doing - I think this makes sense. The only scenario that was going to infuriate me was a "give Odell away" type of deal - i.e... AB. I think we got a pretty solid coup, honestly.

Glad you see it that way. I agree with you.

In comment 14330877 The_Boss said:

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Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade. That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings.

And Accorsi's legacy is that he got taken to the cleaners in the Eli Manning trade. That was the narrative for the first few years. It is way too early to tell.

I'd be shocked if they won 3 again

In comment 14331365 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 14331334 mittenedman said: Quote: The Giants determined Beckham was part of their problem. He did not want to be a Giant either. When you digest these things, it's a lot easier to take. We got rid of something management deemed was holding us back, and got a 1st, 3rd and Peppers in return. THE GIANTS DID NOT WANT ODELL ON THE TEAM ANY LONGER. You probably could've gotten DG to admit he would've just cut him for zero return. He was deemed a huge problem for this team. I’m glad they decided that immediately after making him the highest paid WR in history. Excellent planning.

It wasn't immediately after. It was after he dressed up like a drag queen on TV with Lil Wayne in cringeworthy fashion (brazenly saying he didn't want to play for the Giants), and then quitting on the team the last 4 weeks. It's like being in a relationship with someone who doesn't like you and openly tells people that. Even if you invested a ton - would you just stick around like a sap or change your mind?

was a model boy scout in the months leading up to inking a new deal. Then he promptly reverted to old habits. He fooled the Giants into thinking he could be a good boy. Shame on the Giants for being fooled, but I'll excuse them for wanting to believe that talent had matured.

he himself admitting there was some kind of mental block not allowing him to explode after the catch anymore.

I just think anger and frustration is weighing too heavily on a lot of otherwise rational posters' opinions today.

We have to un-marry ourselves from the player.

The more I hear about this, the more it's starting to sound like things were just going to keep going south. I just don't know that it would have worked out with him here.

If we struggled again this year with him here and then he decides he wants to go the Antonio Brown route, then what? We're going to be held hostage by a pissed off player and be forced into taking less than market value?

We did a heck of a lot better than PIT did. But if we waited, we might have only been able to recoup what they were for Brown.

You think people are pissed now? Imagine it then.

"You guys could have drafted Darnold last year, kept Odell, signed Bell. Instead you have 38 year old Eli Manning. Amazing"

that it was no coincidence that he was hurt the last 4 games and not even on the sidelines.

i think he quit. He forced the Giants hand

i mean 4 freaking weeks after he got paid he was on ESPN saying he didnt want to be in NY

In comment 14331828 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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"You guys could have drafted Darnold last year, kept Odell, signed Bell. Instead you have 38 year old Eli Manning. Amazing"

This is my thought. I think the OBJ trade likely needed to happen, but why this process wasn't started last year with a new QB (in a much stronger class) is particularly troubling. I think 2019 needs to be a full-on tank for one of the 2020 qbs to make this all worth it.

In comment 14331828 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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"You guys could have drafted Darnold last year, kept Odell, signed Bell. Instead you have 38 year old Eli Manning. Amazing"

Well then we'd have 27 year old (with a million miles on him) Bell at $13MM/yr, guaranteed $35MM. People don't think we should have taken 21 yr old SB because the life of a RB is too short (not likely to make it past 27). We'd also still have the question of whether OBJ really wants to be here.

Granted - we would have fixed the problem of finding our future QB problem. Probably.

...without the dead money' - a year ago was a different situation, last season Beckham was simply not as productive, was hurt AGAIN and yeah, things were said. And he aged a year.

Some of us question if he still has the bizarre quickness that is integral to his game.

Simply put, OBJ's stock is not as high as it was a year ago.

I presume and HOPE Gettleman knows more than we do.

Because it is one of the most painful days I've experienced as a fan - that was the most talented wideout this team has ever had, and I'd bet ever will have.

Good luck to Odell, and good luck to Gettleman - he better be right on this move.

In comment 14331691 Scyber said:

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In comment 14330877 The_Boss said: Quote: Gettleman’s legacy here, in my opinion, will be he was the guy who got taken to the cleaners in that Odell trade. That’s not only my opinion, if you’re looking at reactions over social media, that’s the prevalent opinion. I’m getting texts from friends of other teams laughing and gloating about what a horse’s ass DG is. So yeah, it still stings. And Accorsi's legacy is that he got taken to the cleaners in the Eli Manning trade. That was the narrative for the first few years. It is way too early to tell.

BINGO, and that is well worth noting. Prima Donna WR's have a tendency to make a ton of catches, a ton of money, a ton of noise and few SuperBowl rings. (Randy Moss, Terrel Owens come to mind.)

Time will tell.

In comment 14331115 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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there's a consensus: Quote: Still an awful deal.... Tesla : 8:13 am : link : reply to be determined if it will help team in long run, but very clear consensus that we could have gotten more for him The Giants likely got what they could for Beckham. The question isn't if they could have gotten more - it is should they have traded him for what they got. After sleeping on it, I don't like the return, but don't think it is a colossal fuckup. I do hinge on two things: 1) We did fuckup massively by signing him to that contract - and left with dead cap because of it 2) We need to cut Eli or those saying we don't have a plan will be dead on

Finally...we are seeing eye-to-eye on things.

Good post.

Do we get the picks we did if OBJ wasn't signed up to a long term contract?

I dunno.

In comment 14331253 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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guys know I absolutely love Eli, but it makes no sense in this teardown mode to keep him and his salary here this year. Use his cap to get a really cheap vet or sign a mobile QB and fortify the rest of the team. We do that, and we'd be in a very good position. We absolutely have to kill this draft though

Would like Rosen as the QB but support what you suggest. Rosen might not be available or is too expensive.

Rosen is not trash ... Eli's project rookie stats (had he played a FULL season) would match Rosen's. Now with that said ... we gave OBJ a nice new fat contract and then traded him ... put that into perspective when looking at ARZ shifting to Murray or Haskins ...


This trade from a big pic and short to med length timeline is not all that bad. {The key is getting the RT we need in FA}