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Gettlemans MO in Carolina

GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2019 8:34 am
Was he got rid of popular players

They ran him out of town for it

Here is the NYG list of traded/released/guys who we let walk so far:

Jpp
Vernon
Collins
Harrison
Kennard
Okwara
Apple
Pugh
Richburg
OBJ

Who is next? Who is left?

Seems like the rebuild should have happened a few years back...

He is doing what many of us said needed to be done for years  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 8:35 am : link
We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.
A lot of people  
JonC : 3/13/2019 8:35 am : link
seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.
RE: He is doing what many of us said needed to be done for years  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/13/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14330997 Jints in Carolina said:
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.


He should have done this last year.
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jcn56 : 3/13/2019 8:37 am : link
In comment 14330998 JonC said:
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seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.


The main contract they just escaped was one Gettleman handed out. That's part of the problem.
RE: RE: He is doing what many of us said needed to be done for years  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14331002 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.



He should have done this last year.


True but they thought they had one more run in them...they were obviously wrong.
120 million available next year  
George from PA : 3/13/2019 8:39 am : link
12 picks this year

One of the Best Guards and SS.

RE: RE: He is doing what many of us said needed to be done for years  
DavidinBMNY : 3/13/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14331002 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.



He should have done this last year.
He started this last year by trading Snacks and Apple and Cutting Flowers. Yes they would have been ahead of the curve if they had been more aggressive last year, but he did start last year.
Just a BiteyMax fan theory  
Biteymax22 : 3/13/2019 8:40 am : link
I've always felt they wanted Abrams to be their long term GM, but knew there were going to be some really tough / unpopular decisions that needed to be made to rebuild the team.

When they brought Gettleman in, the plan was to let him be the guy that makes the unpopular decisions so when they move on and go to Abrams he can start with a clean slate and not have to be the guy that got rid of OBJ, Vernon, JPP and eventually Eli.
RE: RE: A lot of people  
JonC : 3/13/2019 8:42 am : link
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seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.



The main contract they just escaped was one Gettleman handed out. That's part of the problem.


No argument from me the decision making has been wishy washy under DG.
I would be willing to bet  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 8:43 am : link
Beckham's contract had nothing to do with Gettleman.

It was Mara with (stupidly) Shurmur's backing.

Then Beckham made Mara look like a complete fool.
RE: RE: A lot of people  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2019 8:45 am : link
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seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.



The main contract they just escaped was one Gettleman handed out. That's part of the problem.


I wonder how much of that was ownership? I read the Glazer stuff in the trade thread and he mentioned DG wanted him gone last yr, but Tisch wouldn't sign off on it... until the Lil Wayne interview... anyway... DG is in full house cleaning now. The big bath!!!
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Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 8:47 am : link
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seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.



The main contract they just escaped was one Gettleman handed out. That's part of the problem.


And that is the main problem here. What changed from the time they handed OBJ that contract to yesterday? The Lil Wayne interview? If that changes the trajectory of how they build this team the people in charge are not adults.
RE: I would be willing to bet  
madeinstars : 3/13/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14331058 Chris684 said:
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Beckham's contract had nothing to do with Gettleman.

It was Mara with (stupidly) Shurmur's backing.

Then Beckham made Mara look like a complete fool.


If you believe this, what does that say about this organization? This is not how competent teams are run. Owners should not interfere with personnel moves and GM's should not let them. It has happened with Eli and according to some it has happened with Beckham. If this is true (and it very well might be) we are in huge trouble going forward, because we can not trust Gettleman not to be a yes-man for Mara.
Do you really think  
Gman11 : 3/13/2019 8:54 am : link
Getting rid of guys like Apple, Pugh and Richburg was a bad thing?
Gettleman's MO in Carolina:  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 8:57 am : link
Be along for the ride to a Super Bowl, carried by players who were already on the roster the day he was hired.

Have that be the one high point of your tenure.

Get fired.

Be able to tout "GM OF A SUPER BOWL TEAM!!!" as a justification to be hired by another team.
RE: Do you really think  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2019 8:58 am : link
In comment 14331111 Gman11 said:
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Getting rid of guys like Apple, Pugh and Richburg was a bad thing?


Not at all. Didn't say it was bad. Good moves IMO
RE: He is doing what many of us said needed to be done for years  
Boy Cord : 3/13/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14330997 Jints in Carolina said:
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.


It was time to blow it up last season and they didn’t, so now it’s easy to question Gettleman’s ability to handle the job going forward. Shurmur and Mara are to blame as well.

Rumor has it that Shurmur (and Tisch) convinced the Giants to stick with Beckham. Sticking with him is one thing, but signing him to a cap-crippling deal while you still have major reservations about him is an entirely different story.

The Beckham relationship was bungled by the Joseph Hazlewood of GMs. I don’t know how anyone can have an ounce of faith in his ability to steer this ship out of rough waters.

Captain Hazlewood has done a crappy job at accumulating picks. He got fleeced by the Browns. The best he could do is #17 and the Brown’s second 3rd? Not even their first 3rd let alone a 2nd.

I guess I shouldn’t be too hard on Gettleman. He is working hard to secure the #1 overall pick in 2020. I’m certain he will screw this up seven ways to Sunday.
RE: A lot of people  
robbieballs2003 : 3/13/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14330998 JonC said:
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seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.


Rebuild? Then why do we still have Eli and why sign a 35 year old safety? This isn't a rebuild. This is doing a hakf assed rebuild.
Just because you bring a guy in  
Jan in DC : 3/13/2019 9:04 am : link
to turn the team around doesn't mean he shouldn't take a critical eye to the pieces that are already here and incorporate them into the rebuilding process.

All this talk about Saquon being a generational talent, we already had one on the roster. But that hasn't stopped Gettlemen from getting rid of players just because they were brought in by the previous regime.

That being said, are we really sure we should bring DeOssie back? I know he's been to a bunch of pro bowls and has been a captain, but he was a part of that "bad locker room culture".
RE: I would be willing to bet  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14331058 Chris684 said:
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Beckham's contract had nothing to do with Gettleman.

It was Mara with (stupidly) Shurmur's backing.

Then Beckham made Mara look like a complete fool.


I would love to be the GM of the Giants then. It's a great job.

Make a move someone likes - 'Great job!'

Make a move that seems stupid, and it's either 'he had no choice' or 'Mara forced him to do it'.

Remember when it was suggested that Gettleman only got the job because he'd agree to keep Eli as starting QB? That was shot down pretty violently, because DG would never do that. Is that the same DG who'd let them force him to keep Beckham?

Pick a lane, folks, and stay in it.
Running Underperforming Popular Players Out of Town  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 9:07 am : link
Is meaningless if Eli is still untouchable. People can try to play down the symbolism of it, but it says a lot of the entire team is for sale except for a $23M QB who has played below average. DG wants to talk about culture, but this sets the worst example for culture out of anything.
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Johnny5 : 3/13/2019 10:03 am : link
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.



He should have done this last year.

It was his first year. he has no idea what the locker room is like without seeing it first hand. It's easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight and say this kind of stuff but it's just not realistic.
RE: He is doing what many of us said needed to be done for years  
Justlurking : 3/13/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14330997 Jints in Carolina said:
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.


Yes, agreed. A YEAR AGO WHEN YOU HAD THE QB IN YOUR GRASP. They dont get a fucking do-over. Idiotic.
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Justlurking : 3/13/2019 10:08 am : link
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.



He should have done this last year.


It was his first year. he has no idea what the locker room is like without seeing it first hand. It's easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight and say this kind of stuff but it's just not realistic.


What? They were 3-13?!?! He needed to see the locker room first hand? Makes no sense. Team sucked, was time to blow it up.
Underperforming??  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 10:10 am : link
You can say what you want about Odell's peculiarities, attitude, whatever, but on what planet was he "underperforming"? 77 receptions, 1052 yards, 6 TDs in 12 games is underperforming?
"They" didnt run him out of town,  
j_rud : 3/13/2019 10:14 am : link
Jerry Richardson did bc DG wouldnt bow to his sacred cows.

Everyone here wanted drastic change. Now drastic measures are taken and its all bitching and hand-wringing. This team has been awful for 6 years running and the majority of the past decade. Its time.

If you have 24 carat gold diamond encrustrf rims on a 91 Celica are you gonna rebuild the car around the wheels are do you hock em and build towards a new car?
All the guys you listed did a great job  
bradshaw44 : 3/13/2019 10:20 am : link
helping us stay a losing organization. What's happening now is about building an entire new team. Forget the past. Odell didn't help us win either and we got what value we could for him. Now we have to hope DG hits on his picks. And I for one am happy with his first draft and am willing to wait and see what he can do with his second draft and this time with a bunch of picks.
RE: All the guys you listed did a great job  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/13/2019 10:31 am : link
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helping us stay a losing organization. What's happening now is about building an entire new team. Forget the past. Odell didn't help us win either and we got what value we could for him. Now we have to hope DG hits on his picks. And I for one am happy with his first draft and am willing to wait and see what he can do with his second draft and this time with a bunch of picks.


He put the offense on his back in 2016. That’s why we made the playoffs. Without him you get a 2017 team all over again.

OBJ was the only offense we had for 2 years.
The optimist  
Harvest Blend : 3/13/2019 10:33 am : link
in me tells me Mara is getting out of the way. This is finally Gettleman's team to run now and we're watching it play out in front of our eyes.

IMO, so far, so good.

RE: The optimist  
j_rud : 3/13/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14331730 Harvest Blend said:
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in me tells me Mara is getting out of the way. This is finally Gettleman's team to run now and we're watching it play out in front of our eyes.

IMO, so far, so good.


I'll agree when they drop Eli
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Johnny5 : 3/13/2019 10:37 am : link
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We have won 8 games in the past 2 years with these guys...It was time to blow the thing up.



He should have done this last year.


It was his first year. he has no idea what the locker room is like without seeing it first hand. It's easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight and say this kind of stuff but it's just not realistic.



What? They were 3-13?!?! He needed to see the locker room first hand? Makes no sense. Team sucked, was time to blow it up.

So what come in and fire everybody? Come on man. There are certain moves you make right away. And there are certain ones you learn and act as you go. On top of all of that fluidity in situations (injuries, trades, blahty blahty blah). If you think anyone would have come in here last year and just completely blowing shit up without assessing... well that would be pretty silly.
RE: Just a BiteyMax fan theory  
Red Right Hand : 3/14/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14331032 Biteymax22 said:
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I've always felt they wanted Abrams to be their long term GM, but knew there were going to be some really tough / unpopular decisions that needed to be made to rebuild the team.

When they brought Gettleman in, the plan was to let him be the guy that makes the unpopular decisions so when they move on and go to Abrams he can start with a clean slate and not have to be the guy that got rid of OBJ, Vernon, JPP and eventually Eli.


Winner winner chicken dinner. Same goes for Shurmur.
I'm willing to bet this was all was covered in the interview process.You're probably right about Abrams and the succession plan as well.
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Red Right Hand : 3/14/2019 4:53 pm : link
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seem to forget a rebuild includes finding ways to escape contracts, not so easy.

I think they clearly overestimated what they had in 2018. Now, they're cleaning house. Not sure it could us much other than one year.



The main contract they just escaped was one Gettleman handed out. That's part of the problem.



And that is the main problem here. What changed from the time they handed OBJ that contract to yesterday? The Lil Wayne interview? If that changes the trajectory of how they build this team the people in charge are not adults.
No owner in his right mind pays tens of millions to an ingrate who badmouths hisd QB, is indifferent towards the fan base and tells his coach FU aS HE HEADS OFF EARLY FOR HIS HABITUAL IV,. making sure he can check out of games whenever the whim strikes him, did it thrice, and then sits himself in a snit of spite for a quarter of the season. Fuck him. he pissed in maras eye and bit the hand that fed him, and fed him well. He's an ungrateful little bastard who didn't give a shit about the city or it's fans, had no respect for coaching or management, in faCT is probably one of the top coach killers of all time, and took a GM down for good measure. He was a toxic distraction that's now gone, good riddance to bad rubbish.
Let him go set records in Cleveland.He's a memory.
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