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IMO, a necessary and great trade...

That’s Gold, Jerry : 3/13/2019 8:47 am
I know I'm going to get bitch slapped on this but, in my opinion, this trade had to be made. I've been a Giants fan for 57 years and I saw LT play and have been an OBJ fan, save for his antics, and they are the two most talent players, prior to Saquon, I have ever seen in a Giants uniform. I do not dispute OBJ's abilities. He is a great, great player. However, if you take a look, for example, at the no. 1 receiver for the past ten SB champions...you can easily make the case that Victor Cruz was the best of the lot.

I've been saying this for a while but you do not build SB teams by focusing on a WR. You build SB teams by focusing on building a strong offensive line and a strong defensive line that has the ability to rush the passer. Obviously, you need a good, not necessarily great, QB as well. But it is all about the team.

I have no doubt OBJ was a hard worker and a good teammate but this is about the state of the Giants, as they are currently constructed, and I firmly agree with those on BBI who have said DG only realized during the season how lacking in talent this team was.

DG has a pretty good resume. He was our Pro Personnel Director for three SB teams, 2 wins, as well as the GM for Carolina in which they went to the SB as well. That's four SB appearances since 1999. I have to suspect Dave knows what he is doing.

Most people think the Giants are now going to take a QB with one of their first round picks or maybe package them together to move up. But, most experts I have read say the top of this class is not equal to the top of last year's class. If that is the case, why would we expend a no. 6 pick on any of these QBs this year. My suspicion is Gettleman will continue to build the infrastructure of this team with an edge rusher at no. 6 and probably an OL at 17.

Now, who knows what is on his mind, maybe getting Rosen is not out of the question although I hope giving up one of our no. 1 picks is not part of that answer. My personal choice for a QB would be Daniel Jones from Duke but that's just me. At any rate, this deal had to be made. We have, what 12 picks now. We can manipulate the draft the way we want. The trade for Zeitler was a strong indication of Gettleman's plans and, frankly, I'm all in. Again, I still believe Eli can play and if he has an offensive line that can actually protect him and then add the running game with Saquon, we will not miss OBJ. Heck, did we win anything with him?
The Giants are going to take Daniel Jones.  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 3/13/2019 8:55 am : link
You are going to get roasted for that one. But I agree with you.
Finally, a sane and correct analysis.  
Spider56 : 3/13/2019 8:56 am : link
I agree with everything you say in your analysis of OBJ ... his Diva personality and inability to control his emotions are not healthy for a team.

I’m not with you on Daniel Jones ... I hope they trade down a few spots from 6, pickup another number 2 and use it to get Rosen.
Perhaps necessary  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 8:58 am : link
But not great. OK I would say. And no Jones. If Lock is there, I'd rather take him.
nah...you're OK  
I Love Clams Casino : 3/13/2019 8:58 am : link
I keep remembering how good Shockey was, and how disappointed I was that he got hurt. Shockey was a distraction and I feel that OBJ was a distraction as well.

I realize that the 2 situations are different, but electric players like Shockey and OBJ have a way of taking the focus off of the primary goal, winning and making it about themselves.

Would you take away the greatest catch ever made against the Cowboys if the Giants win that game?

I W O U L D
Neither Daniel Jones nor Drew Locke will amount to shit  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 8:59 am : link
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Dont forget  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 9:00 am : link
We need a #1 WR... Shep is clearly a #2/#3,,, The remaining are Street Bodies.
Agreed. As hard as it is to see a great player leave  
yatqb : 3/13/2019 9:00 am : link
this allows us to rebuild both at QB and in the trenches.

IMO down the line we're gonna become a physical team that is really hard to play against. Gotta get the right QB, though.
I will hold judgement until i see what the Giants net  
George from PA : 3/13/2019 9:01 am : link
Peppers is a good start....with 3 years cost controlled.

Lets see what #17 and 3 rd....do not forget we got our 4th back from OV trade.

Plus adding 19 million more to the 80 million in the 2020 cap

If DG only recognized during the season...  
Chris in Philly : 3/13/2019 9:02 am : link
how much the team was lacking talent, then he has no business being an NFL GM. And if this was about the current state of the roster, then it was ludicrous to sign him to a contract that made him the highest paid WR in history.
"Eli can Still Play"  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 9:02 am : link
For how long? and at what level?

The future of this team should no longer be concerned with the Eli reclamation project. At least bring in some competition for gd's sake.
Very good post TGJ  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/13/2019 9:03 am : link
I agree with your sentiment. Control the Lines of scrimmage. DG is building a physical team with depth.

Every Giants Super Bowl win was because they were the more physically dominating team. They will have to get some impact players from this draft and if they accomplish this coupled with last years draft they will have a really tough, young, hungry team in the making.
I liked OBJ and think much of the dislike  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/13/2019 9:04 am : link
Was silly. But 100% agree that WRs don’t by themselves win chanpionships. Megatron and Julio Jones are as good as it gets. They can be a huge part of a teams success but as always pointed out aftet Randy Moss who has Brady had? Seattle won w Beast Mode. Eagles hardly fielded Swann and Stallworth

Between injury history and attitude Giants moved on. Ownership and Reese wasted OBJ time here.
RE: If DG only recognized during the season...  
family progtitioner : 3/13/2019 9:08 am : link
In comment 14331167 Chris in Philly said:
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how much the team was lacking talent, then he has no business being an NFL GM. And if this was about the current state of the roster, then it was ludicrous to sign him to a contract that made him the highest paid WR in history.


There's no plan. They're winging it as they go. They expected a better season 2018 and only after that imploded did they realize the team stinks. So ridiculous to give the guy a huge contract and then trade him. Giants are a laughingstock
Perfectly stated  
mavric : 3/13/2019 9:22 am : link
I too thought about starting a thread echoing most of what you already said.

I loved OBJ, minus his high-maintenance shenanigans that distracted the team's overall goal of making the playoffs and bringing home another Lombardi.

And you're right. You don't build a team around a WR, no matter how good he is. Makes for great highlights that you want to watch over and over, but it doesn't bring a trip to the SB.

It all has to start in the trenches and Gettleman seems to realize that (knock on wood). Build the trenches, then a strong defense, then focus on skill players for the offense.

Regardless, I will miss OBJ's highlight catches, but not his antics. He's a star and will make so much money that he'll live like a king the rest of his life. More power to him and good for him.

The draft will be much more interesting now and I can't wait. And I am also in the QB camp that says, "if we do take a QB, I hope it's Jones in round 2 (if he's still there)".

I'm just a fan and have been since 1958 when I was old enough to understand how the game works. I don't have the knowledge and expertise that some on this board have. I bleed blue and always will. I'm hoping these moves (shedding large contracts, stockpiling pics, letting prima donnas take their high profiles to another team, and focusing on TEAM) will lead to a new era of great Giants' football.

As a last note, I try to figure out how the hell Belichick does it year in and year out. I can't stand the man, yet he constantly lets his best players walk (or trades them)...with the exception of Brady, and he still wins. I believe he looks at the team as a whole and prioritizes his players by their ability to do exactly as he wants while refusing to overpay on a position he feels is not as important as the QB and trench. Plus he cheats of course. He doesn't seem to ever be the one paying a massive contract to a FA player to fix a leak. Not sure how he does it. Hopefully we are on the same track.
There is plan is wrong  
DavidinBMNY : 3/13/2019 9:23 am : link
Their plan is to build through the draft and hopefully be a contender in 2020.
RE: RE: If DG only recognized during the season...  
section125 : 3/13/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14331233 family progtitioner said:
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In comment 14331167 Chris in Philly said:


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how much the team was lacking talent, then he has no business being an NFL GM. And if this was about the current state of the roster, then it was ludicrous to sign him to a contract that made him the highest paid WR in history.



There's no plan. They're winging it as they go. They expected a better season 2018 and only after that imploded did they realize the team stinks. So ridiculous to give the guy a huge contract and then trade him. Giants are a laughingstock


And Pittsburgh is not?
RE: RE: RE: If DG only recognized during the season...  
family progtitioner : 3/13/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14331419 section125 said:
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In comment 14331233 family progtitioner said:


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In comment 14331167 Chris in Philly said:


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how much the team was lacking talent, then he has no business being an NFL GM. And if this was about the current state of the roster, then it was ludicrous to sign him to a contract that made him the highest paid WR in history.



There's no plan. They're winging it as they go. They expected a better season 2018 and only after that imploded did they realize the team stinks. So ridiculous to give the guy a huge contract and then trade him. Giants are a laughingstock



And Pittsburgh is not?


They are as well. Great company
Solid post...  
Johnny5 : 3/13/2019 10:28 am : link
...TG,J!
DG  
HoustonGiant : 3/13/2019 10:53 am : link
Is definitely from that era.

Question is, can that win again???
agree BUT why now?  
giantsFC : 3/13/2019 11:38 am : link
The idiot bag award that seems to be sliding by is why didn't they trade him last year before the extension?? They surely would have gotten a lot less negative PR and possibly could have traded a few picks to land Baker Mayfield or Darnold etc.
good original post TGJ -  
Del Shofner : 3/13/2019 11:55 am : link
not sure about Jones, but I agree with your overall view. I posted the post below on another thread before I read yours -

I don't have a crystal ball to know how this is going to work out but
Del Shofner : 11:11 am : link : reply
I do know that, for me, the Giants teams of the last few years have been unwatchable owing to lack of blocking, covering and tackling. Not just bad, but unwatchable owing to lack of blocking, covering and tackling.

OBJ was/is a supreme talent, but if we're trading him so as to get more players who can block, cover and tackle, I'm for it even if I hate to see OBJ go.

Skill players are great but I think the last few years showed they're all for naught if the offensive line can't block and the defense can't cover or tackle.

Not justifying each of the DG trades/signing/cuts, I agree some are bewildering. And I don't care about "culture" per se. I just know what I like to watch football-wise, and the recent Giants have not been that.
Agree with that as well Del  
Johnny5 : 3/13/2019 1:11 pm : link
Good post.
RE: agree BUT why now?  
x meadowlander : 3/13/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14332154 giantsFC said:
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The idiot bag award that seems to be sliding by is why didn't they trade him last year before the extension?? They surely would have gotten a lot less negative PR and possibly could have traded a few picks to land Baker Mayfield or Darnold etc.
Because last year, Beckham's stock was higher, he was younger, he had one less month-long injury, he pissed people off. Last year, Gettleman wanted him. This year he didn't. Plain and simple.
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