I know I'm going to get bitch slapped on this but, in my opinion, this trade had to be made. I've been a Giants fan for 57 years and I saw LT play and have been an OBJ fan, save for his antics, and they are the two most talent players, prior to Saquon, I have ever seen in a Giants uniform. I do not dispute OBJ's abilities. He is a great, great player. However, if you take a look, for example, at the no. 1 receiver for the past ten SB champions...you can easily make the case that Victor Cruz was the best of the lot.
I've been saying this for a while but you do not build SB teams by focusing on a WR. You build SB teams by focusing on building a strong offensive line and a strong defensive line that has the ability to rush the passer. Obviously, you need a good, not necessarily great, QB as well. But it is all about the team.
I have no doubt OBJ was a hard worker and a good teammate but this is about the state of the Giants, as they are currently constructed, and I firmly agree with those on BBI who have said DG only realized during the season how lacking in talent this team was.
DG has a pretty good resume. He was our Pro Personnel Director for three SB teams, 2 wins, as well as the GM for Carolina in which they went to the SB as well. That's four SB appearances since 1999. I have to suspect Dave knows what he is doing.
Most people think the Giants are now going to take a QB with one of their first round picks or maybe package them together to move up. But, most experts I have read say the top of this class is not equal to the top of last year's class. If that is the case, why would we expend a no. 6 pick on any of these QBs this year. My suspicion is Gettleman will continue to build the infrastructure of this team with an edge rusher at no. 6 and probably an OL at 17.
Now, who knows what is on his mind, maybe getting Rosen is not out of the question although I hope giving up one of our no. 1 picks is not part of that answer. My personal choice for a QB would be Daniel Jones from Duke but that's just me. At any rate, this deal had to be made. We have, what 12 picks now. We can manipulate the draft the way we want. The trade for Zeitler was a strong indication of Gettleman's plans and, frankly, I'm all in. Again, I still believe Eli can play and if he has an offensive line that can actually protect him and then add the running game with Saquon, we will not miss OBJ. Heck, did we win anything with him?
I’m not with you on Daniel Jones ... I hope they trade down a few spots from 6, pickup another number 2 and use it to get Rosen.
I realize that the 2 situations are different, but electric players like Shockey and OBJ have a way of taking the focus off of the primary goal, winning and making it about themselves.
Would you take away the greatest catch ever made against the Cowboys if the Giants win that game?
I W O U L D
IMO down the line we're gonna become a physical team that is really hard to play against. Gotta get the right QB, though.
Lets see what #17 and 3 rd....do not forget we got our 4th back from OV trade.
Plus adding 19 million more to the 80 million in the 2020 cap
The future of this team should no longer be concerned with the Eli reclamation project. At least bring in some competition for gd's sake.
Every Giants Super Bowl win was because they were the more physically dominating team. They will have to get some impact players from this draft and if they accomplish this coupled with last years draft they will have a really tough, young, hungry team in the making.
Between injury history and attitude Giants moved on. Ownership and Reese wasted OBJ time here.
There's no plan. They're winging it as they go. They expected a better season 2018 and only after that imploded did they realize the team stinks. So ridiculous to give the guy a huge contract and then trade him. Giants are a laughingstock
I loved OBJ, minus his high-maintenance shenanigans that distracted the team's overall goal of making the playoffs and bringing home another Lombardi.
And you're right. You don't build a team around a WR, no matter how good he is. Makes for great highlights that you want to watch over and over, but it doesn't bring a trip to the SB.
It all has to start in the trenches and Gettleman seems to realize that (knock on wood). Build the trenches, then a strong defense, then focus on skill players for the offense.
Regardless, I will miss OBJ's highlight catches, but not his antics. He's a star and will make so much money that he'll live like a king the rest of his life. More power to him and good for him.
The draft will be much more interesting now and I can't wait. And I am also in the QB camp that says, "if we do take a QB, I hope it's Jones in round 2 (if he's still there)".
I'm just a fan and have been since 1958 when I was old enough to understand how the game works. I don't have the knowledge and expertise that some on this board have. I bleed blue and always will. I'm hoping these moves (shedding large contracts, stockpiling pics, letting prima donnas take their high profiles to another team, and focusing on TEAM) will lead to a new era of great Giants' football.
As a last note, I try to figure out how the hell Belichick does it year in and year out. I can't stand the man, yet he constantly lets his best players walk (or trades them)...with the exception of Brady, and he still wins. I believe he looks at the team as a whole and prioritizes his players by their ability to do exactly as he wants while refusing to overpay on a position he feels is not as important as the QB and trench. Plus he cheats of course. He doesn't seem to ever be the one paying a massive contract to a FA player to fix a leak. Not sure how he does it. Hopefully we are on the same track.
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how much the team was lacking talent, then he has no business being an NFL GM. And if this was about the current state of the roster, then it was ludicrous to sign him to a contract that made him the highest paid WR in history.
There's no plan. They're winging it as they go. They expected a better season 2018 and only after that imploded did they realize the team stinks. So ridiculous to give the guy a huge contract and then trade him. Giants are a laughingstock
And Pittsburgh is not?
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how much the team was lacking talent, then he has no business being an NFL GM. And if this was about the current state of the roster, then it was ludicrous to sign him to a contract that made him the highest paid WR in history.
There's no plan. They're winging it as they go. They expected a better season 2018 and only after that imploded did they realize the team stinks. So ridiculous to give the guy a huge contract and then trade him. Giants are a laughingstock
And Pittsburgh is not?
They are as well. Great company
Question is, can that win again???
I don't have a crystal ball to know how this is going to work out but
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I do know that, for me, the Giants teams of the last few years have been unwatchable owing to lack of blocking, covering and tackling. Not just bad, but unwatchable owing to lack of blocking, covering and tackling.
OBJ was/is a supreme talent, but if we're trading him so as to get more players who can block, cover and tackle, I'm for it even if I hate to see OBJ go.
Skill players are great but I think the last few years showed they're all for naught if the offensive line can't block and the defense can't cover or tackle.
Not justifying each of the DG trades/signing/cuts, I agree some are bewildering. And I don't care about "culture" per se. I just know what I like to watch football-wise, and the recent Giants have not been that.