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jtgiants : 3/13/2019 9:20 am
Be fun. Lots going on.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 9:20 am : link
Big Wednesday!
...  
Jon in NYC : 3/13/2019 9:20 am : link
Thanks JT  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2019 9:21 am : link
I hope we get some OL, ER heck how about a WR
Can you elaborate  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2019 9:21 am : link
A little bit please?
woooo baby  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 9:21 am : link
here we go
RE: ...  
rnargi : 3/13/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14331355 Eric from BBI said:
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Big Wednesday!


AGAIN?!?!? Lol!
Eric  
jtgiants : 3/13/2019 9:24 am : link
I would be prepared to have multiple sticky threads posted today
Wow!  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 9:24 am : link
Yes.

My dream.

Russell Wilson
.  
Danny Kanell : 3/13/2019 9:25 am : link
Is this an asshat? Because if so, i'm excited lol
RE: Eric  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14331394 jtgiants said:
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I would be prepared to have multiple sticky threads posted today

I really hope this doesn't turn out to be 3 veteran FA signings...
RE: .  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14331400 Danny Kanell said:
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Is this an asshat? Because if so, i'm excited lol

Yes, jt called the Beckham trade and has been dead on with some other items thus far
My dream scenario:  
rnargi : 3/13/2019 9:26 am : link
1. Cut Eli, trade a 2nd+ to Seattle for Wilson.
2. Stand pat and take BPA at 6 and 17.

No to Rosen. Talk of his work ethic by many in the business scares the heck out of me.
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14331400 Danny Kanell said:
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Is this an asshat? Because if so, i'm excited lol

jtgiants has proven to be a legit asshat.
Here we go...  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 9:28 am : link
Mike, Mike, Mike.. it's HUMPDAY!!!!
My prediction  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 9:29 am : link
The Giants sign Markus Golden and Daryl Williams today.
RE: Eric  
giants#1 : 3/13/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14331394 jtgiants said:
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I would be prepared to have multiple sticky threads posted today


Good news or more depressing shit?
When..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2019 9:29 am : link
jt speaks, I know I listen!!

One of the best track records here.
hellz to the yeah  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 9:46 am : link
....
RE: When..  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14331435 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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jt speaks, I know I listen!!

One of the best track records here.


Absolutely.

Thanks jt, let us know anything when you can.
Fun in FA usually means buyer's remorse in two years  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 9:46 am : link
Hopefully it's nothing huge.
Wish it were Rosen  
Capt. Don : 3/13/2019 9:46 am : link
but JonC and others say Rosen is not a consideration. Although I believe all jtGiants has said is that QB is not the pick at #6.

Williams hopefully.
Mike G is at  
JonC : 3/13/2019 9:47 am : link
Timex Center.
RE: Fun in FA usually means buyer's remorse in two years  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14331447 Go Terps said:
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Hopefully it's nothing huge.


Shit, you were doing so well these last 12 hours...:)
I don't think it's the usual FA stuff  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 9:48 am : link
It's something big at QB re: Eli, another QB or both.
Hopefully its some clarity at QB  
Sean : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
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RE: Mike G is at  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
In comment 14331453 JonC said:
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Timex Center.


I really miss that guy. One of the best and most knowledgeable reporters in my lifetime
I'm loving this  
Harvest Blend : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
it's anything but boring. I'd love to be hanging out with Gettleman today.
jt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 9:51 am : link
bringing back Matt Dodge?
RE: I'm loving this  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14331477 Harvest Blend said:
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I'd love to be hanging out with Gettleman today.


You like the smell of mothballs? Weird, but ok.
jtgiants threads  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 9:52 am : link
should be pinned.

Eric, I think you should unban slade for amusement purposes!
All I know is I havent done sh*t at work yet today  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 9:52 am : link
and BBI was down 10 minutes ago and I nearly had a heart attack.
RE: RE: I'm loving this  
Harvest Blend : 3/13/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14331484 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14331477 Harvest Blend said:


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I'd love to be hanging out with Gettleman today.



You like the smell of mothballs? Weird, but ok.


lol. I forgot that 68 is the new 108.
Im prepared  
Fast Eddie : 3/13/2019 9:52 am : link
I got this feeling Eli will be gone today. Either that or its gas 😝
They need to create cap space  
JonC : 3/13/2019 9:54 am : link
and or make trades.
RE: RE: Mike G is at  
rnargi : 3/13/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14331469 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14331453 JonC said:


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Timex Center.



I really miss that guy. One of the best and most knowledgeable reporters in my lifetime


+1. Happy for him and his career, not so much for us.
....  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 9:55 am : link
Please give us something more. You're edging me lmfao
.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 9:56 am : link
jt is a big Eli guy, no?

Thinking if today is going to be fun... it's probably not that.

I hope it is, though. Just rip the entire band aid off, please. Get it overwith now.
RE: Mike G is at  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14331453 JonC said:
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Timex Center.


Is there a meaning to this? Serious question. Thanks
RE: RE: Mike G is at  
JonC : 3/13/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14331516 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 14331453 JonC said:


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Timex Center.



Is there a meaning to this? Serious question. Thanks


It reinforces jt's suggestion it's a big day.
RE: My prediction  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14331433 Jay on the Island said:
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The Giants sign Markus Golden and Daryl Williams today.


I don't disagree that those are good moves, but it seems like JT and Hanlon last night are hinting at big moves.
RE: RE: RE: Mike G is at  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14331519 JonC said:
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In comment 14331516 Big Rick in FL said:


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In comment 14331453 JonC said:


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Timex Center.



Is there a meaning to this? Serious question. Thanks



It reinforces jt's suggestion it's a big day.


Jon you hearing something or is this planned by you and jt to life our spirits
RE: They need to create cap space  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14331505 JonC said:
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and or make trades.


Jon,

what have you heard?
Time to finally fix the QB situation.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 9:59 am : link
Let's do this.
RE: My dream scenario:  
BillT : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14331412 rnargi said:
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1. Cut Eli, trade a 2nd+ to Seattle for Wilson.
2. Stand pat and take BPA at 6 and 17.

No to Rosen. Talk of his work ethic by many in the business scares the heck out of me.

rnargi!!
RE: RE: RE: Mike G is at  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14331519 JonC said:
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In comment 14331516 Big Rick in FL said:


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In comment 14331453 JonC said:


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Timex Center.



Is there a meaning to this? Serious question. Thanks



It reinforces jt's suggestion it's a big day.


True. I just figured he was there because he broke the Odell news.
I'm working from home today  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
might as well start with the whiskey
RE: My dream scenario:  
bradshaw44 : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14331412 rnargi said:
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1. Cut Eli, trade a 2nd+ to Seattle for Wilson.
2. Stand pat and take BPA at 6 and 17.

No to Rosen. Talk of his work ethic by many in the business scares the heck out of me.


Sign me up for this!
I'm trying to find out  
JonC : 3/13/2019 10:02 am : link
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They aren't making any big splashes in  
Jon in NYC : 3/13/2019 10:02 am : link
FA. There isn't even anyone to make a splash with.

I think the questions are

1. Does Eli get cut?
2. Do they trade for Rosen with the pick(s) they just got?
3. Do they trade any more vets (Jenkins, Ogletree, Solder etc) for picks
4. Do they make any more smart manageable cap signings at positions of need like Williams, Boston, Golden, etc.

It's probably some combo of the above.
Why on earth  
Jon in NYC : 3/13/2019 10:02 am : link
would they trade Odell if they have a trade for Russell Wilson lined up?
OB earned a ticket out of town  
JonC : 3/13/2019 10:03 am : link
and it's what he wanted.
RE: All I know is I havent done sh*t at work yet today  
bradshaw44 : 3/13/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14331488 Chris684 said:
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and BBI was down 10 minutes ago and I nearly had a heart attack.


Yup it crashed for me too.
Are there any other QBs who  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 10:05 am : link
have been at all rumored to be traded besides Wilson and Rosen?

Granted the Wilson stuff is probably a pipe dream.
RE: OB earned a ticket out of town  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14331565 JonC said:
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and it's what he wanted.


Exactly.
I think Jenkins has got to be on  
Dnew15 : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
the chopping block next...right?
If they can get anything for him - I think they flip him.
Thanks for the heads-up.  
bceagle05 : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
Hope we know what we're doing.
RE: Why on earth  
Eli Wilson : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14331558 Jon in NYC said:
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would they trade Odell if they have a trade for Russell Wilson lined up?


Maybe to add another 1st round pick? Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
Signing big free agents would seem to fly in the face  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
of everything they have been doing since the trade deadline. I would expect this means some trades are in the works. Free agency this year should be selective to fill holes with young guys looking to prove themselves, not veterans looking for a pay day.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
Russ has to be a total pipe dream - but, I would really love that.
This has to be something with a QB  
bradshaw44 : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
Otherwise all the other moves are one's that have been alluded to for weeks.
RE: RE: My dream scenario:  
Capt. Don : 3/13/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14331541 BillT said:
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In comment 14331412 rnargi said:


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1. Cut Eli, trade a 2nd+ to Seattle for Wilson.
2. Stand pat and take BPA at 6 and 17.

No to Rosen. Talk of his work ethic by many in the business scares the heck out of me.


rnargi!!


I dont think a 2nd does it for Wilson. Bradford garnered a 1st.

I like Wilson a lot but he doesnt make sense to me at this point. We would have to sign him to a 4-5 year deal and give up a 1st rounder. Early on he will win us a few more games than a rookie might but is 8-8 vs. 5-11 really worth it? Especially at $25M+ per year?
Can we get an approx time on this news?  
Eli Wilson : 3/13/2019 10:07 am : link
Can't spend all day, again, refreshing BBI.
RE: .  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14331587 arcarsenal said:
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Russ has to be a total pipe dream - but, I would really love that.


Agree with this, which is why I hate these teaser threads. I will get my hopes up for this kind of move and then find out we pried Case Keenum away from the Redskins for a 3rd.
Kyle Sloter??  
Strip-Sack : 3/13/2019 10:10 am : link
Could Shurmer like him as much as Dave Te? Maybe a deal with the Vikings that includes him plus other players/picks going back and forth?....just spit ballin'
Eric  
Dodge : 3/13/2019 10:11 am : link
Please don't bring up Matt Dodge. It's a stain upon my family name.
I'm with Jon  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 10:13 am : link
Trading for Wilson while also trading away Beckham makes absolutely no sense. They have the worst receivers in the league, and in generally have the least talented roster in football. Trading for a 30 year old QB at this point would be beyond stupid.
Who is at the airports  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 10:13 am : link
giving us updates?
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14331599 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14331587 arcarsenal said:


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Russ has to be a total pipe dream - but, I would really love that.



Agree with this, which is why I hate these teaser threads. I will get my hopes up for this kind of move and then find out we pried Case Keenum away from the Redskins for a 3rd.


Hah, yep. That's why I won't even let myself think about that.

Wilson is fantastic. He never misses games, he knows how to protect his body and I have quite a bit of faith that he will stay very productive for 5+ years. He's the ideal QB for what the league is right now.

Ugh.. here I go....
Hanlon getting ready to make announcements at 4  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2019 10:15 am : link
RE: Who is at the airports  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14331627 dep026 said:
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giving us updates?


Lol. flashback to 2005 and 2006 with Plax and Lamar
Crikes, I'm flying today  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/13/2019 10:15 am : link
bring it jt!
Why are we talking  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 10:16 am : link
about Russell Wilson?
It's curious that the Giants haven't issued a statement about the  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 10:17 am : link
Beckham trade yet. Obviously, they've known about this long enough to have even the most bland statement about 'moving forward' and all that crap ready.

One of the reasons I can think of for not issuing a statement is that they will have more to say than just the Beckham stuff. Sure would be nice.
RE: Why are we talking  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14331644 ryanmkeane said:
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about Russell Wilson?


There were rumors not that long ago about SEA potentially being willing to move him.

It's almost certainly not going to happen - I'm just dreaming on it because I'd love it.
RE: It's curious that the Giants haven't issued a statement about the  
giants#1 : 3/13/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14331651 mikeinbloomfield said:
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Beckham trade yet. Obviously, they've known about this long enough to have even the most bland statement about 'moving forward' and all that crap ready.

One of the reasons I can think of for not issuing a statement is that they will have more to say than just the Beckham stuff. Sure would be nice.


Probably just because it isn't official until 4pm today.
RE: RE: RE: My dream scenario:  
rnargi : 3/13/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14331593 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 14331541 BillT said:


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In comment 14331412 rnargi said:


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1. Cut Eli, trade a 2nd+ to Seattle for Wilson.
2. Stand pat and take BPA at 6 and 17.

No to Rosen. Talk of his work ethic by many in the business scares the heck out of me.


rnargi!!



I dont think a 2nd does it for Wilson. Bradford garnered a 1st.

I like Wilson a lot but he doesnt make sense to me at this point. We would have to sign him to a 4-5 year deal and give up a 1st rounder. Early on he will win us a few more games than a rookie might but is 8-8 vs. 5-11 really worth it? Especially at $25M+ per year?


That's why I said 2+. I know it would take more than a 2.
RE: All I know is I havent done sh*t at work yet today  
smshmth8690 : 3/13/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14331488 Chris684 said:
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and BBI was down 10 minutes ago and I nearly had a heart attack.


Ha! Same here. I had something i recorded on TV, and had to switch over to the NFLN, because I though something happened and BBI went down!
RE: RE: It's curious that the Giants haven't issued a statement about the  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14331677 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14331651 mikeinbloomfield said:


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Beckham trade yet. Obviously, they've known about this long enough to have even the most bland statement about 'moving forward' and all that crap ready.

One of the reasons I can think of for not issuing a statement is that they will have more to say than just the Beckham stuff. Sure would be nice.



Probably just because it isn't official until 4pm today.


Oh got it. Oh well, not that its going to say anything worthwhile.
RE: When..  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14331435 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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jt speaks, I know I listen!!

One of the best track records here.


Agreed.. I think people will be surprised where things go today/this week. If you are ever in the Charleston, SC would love to meet up with ya.
RE: I'm with Jon  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14331623 Greg from LI said:
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Trading for Wilson while also trading away Beckham makes absolutely no sense. They have the worst receivers in the league, and in generally have the least talented roster in football. Trading for a 30 year old QB at this point would be beyond stupid.


dear god, can you think beyond this moment? You think we stay with what we have now at WR?
. . .  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 10:27 am : link
If I'm not mistaken  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 10:29 am : link
jt said last night Eli isn't going anywhere.

That would rule out a vet trade/Wilson.

I'm wondering if it's Rosen, except the Giants plan is still rolling with Eli for one more year at some type of reduced salary?
Whatever happens today  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 10:30 am : link
Should be for 2020 and beyond. Please dont trade picks for players. Please dont over pay for FA. 2019 is a throw away year now. We might have close to $100 million in cap space next year and a top 3 pick. Dont jeopardize that.
gettleman  
jintz4life : 3/13/2019 10:30 am : link
is probably dumb enough to splurge in free agency and cost them the comp pick from collins
If its Rosen  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 10:32 am : link
then it makes close to zero sense to keep Eli. Rosen is ready to play now. Unless we are just keeping Eli and he will be the backup.
RE: If I'm not mistaken  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14331712 Chris684 said:
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jt said last night Eli isn't going anywhere.

That would rule out a vet trade/Wilson.

I'm wondering if it's Rosen, except the Giants plan is still rolling with Eli for one more year at some type of reduced salary?


Correct he said Elis here next year.
GARY!!! Get Ready!  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 10:33 am : link
RE: If I'm not mistaken  
j_rud : 3/13/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14331712 Chris684 said:
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jt said last night Eli isn't going anywhere.

That would rule out a vet trade/Wilson.

I'm wondering if it's Rosen, except the Giants plan is still rolling with Eli for one more year at some type of reduced salary?


Trading for Rosen and keeping Eli doesnt make a ton of sense. One of the attractive things about Rosen is that he's cost controlled for another 4 years. They'd essentially be burning one of those years. Not saying it can't happen but it doesn't seem to be the optimal way of doing it. Then again you can argue that spending a year with Eli might help mitigate some of the stuff we've heard about attitude/preparation etc. But also if you're that concerned why make the trade?

This is the most excited I've been about Giants football in too long to remember. That's really sad, it being a Wednesday in March the morning after trading away one of the most talented guys to ever don the uniform, but also kinda fun.
Giants making the Zak DeOssie signing official  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 10:35 am : link
and intro press conference for Bethea ;)
When JT, JonC, and Hitdog speak, we listen  
Anakim : 3/13/2019 10:36 am : link
When Slade speaks, we bang our heads
RE: If its Rosen  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14331724 ryanmkeane said:
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then it makes close to zero sense to keep Eli. Rosen is ready to play now. Unless we are just keeping Eli and he will be the backup.


I think it does. Rosen was thrown to the wolves last year. He would benefit for sitting, at least part of the year, and learning.
RE: When JT, JonC, and Hitdog speak, we listen  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14331740 Anakim said:
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When Slade speaks, we bang our heads

Has Slade returned? Please tell me no.
IIRC  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 10:38 am : link
Matt in SGS has provided solid info in the past as well.
If Slade returned, we would at least know what was NOT gonna happen  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 10:39 am : link
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If Eli  
mrvax : 3/13/2019 10:41 am : link
is getting released, he already knows.
RE: IIRC  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14331751 Jay on the Island said:
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Matt in SGS has provided solid info in the past as well.


Jay, I've had my moments and heard a few whispers that I"ve posted, but I don't know anything going on this year. If I hear something, I'll say something. In the meantime, I'm deferring to jt and hitdog.
I don't want days in March to be fun.  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 10:43 am : link
Leave that for the Redskins.

I want the fall and winter to be fun. That hasn't been the case for years. Days like we've had recently are the reason why watching this team has been awful for so long.
RE: If Slade returned, we would at least know what was NOT gonna happen  
blueblood : 3/13/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14331755 Heisenberg said:
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so true
RE: RE: IIRC  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14331772 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14331751 Jay on the Island said:


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Matt in SGS has provided solid info in the past as well.



Jay, I've had my moments and heard a few whispers that I"ve posted, but I don't know anything going on this year. If I hear something, I'll say something. In the meantime, I'm deferring to jt and hitdog.


Hitdog hasn't suppied any info this week. I wonder if he has contacts still?
Actual FUN????  
blueblood : 3/13/2019 10:45 am : link
or more watching BBI Meltdown fun?
The Giants will announce several  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2019 10:56 am : link
FA signings, Williams being one of them.

And they will announce a two year contract extension for Eli.
Lets get some updates!!!  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:08 am : link
no teases...
given jt's glee  
JonC : 3/13/2019 11:09 am : link
something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
RE: given jt's glee  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14331989 JonC said:
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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.


Entertainment at its highest!
RE: given jt's glee  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14331989 JonC said:
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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.


Yikes.
Been calling it for months.  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 11:11 am : link
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RE: When JT, JonC, and Hitdog speak, we listen  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14331740 Anakim said:
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When Slade speaks, we bang our heads


Don't forget about glovedone or whatever his dup name is
I've retired  
hitdog42 : 3/13/2019 11:13 am : link
from asshatting

if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!
RE: given jt's glee  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14331989 JonC said:
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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.

I don't think signing Williams at RT would make us implode. I think that would be a good signing no matter what our plan is. All pro caliber RT who is 26 years old. Get him in here on a 4 or 5 year deal.
Even if we give  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 11:14 am : link
Williams 10M+, we will have 70 or 80M in cap space next season.
RE: RE: given jt's glee  
giants#1 : 3/13/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14332015 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 14331989 JonC said:


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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.


I don't think signing Williams at RT would make us implode. I think that would be a good signing no matter what our plan is. All pro caliber RT who is 26 years old. Get him in here on a 4 or 5 year deal.


I think he meant an extension of some sort for Eli.
RE: given jt's glee  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14331989 JonC said:
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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.


And rightfully so.
RE: My prediction  
Bluesbreaker : 3/13/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14331433 Jay on the Island said:
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The Giants sign Markus Golden and Daryl Williams today.


That would be very good news !
RE: I've retired  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14332013 hitdog42 said:
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from asshatting

if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!

Well if you're done sharing then I just want to thank you for all the information that you shared with us.
RE: gettleman  
mfsd : 3/13/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14331716 jintz4life said:
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is probably dumb enough to splurge in free agency and cost them the comp pick from collins


The obsession with the Collins Como pick is reaching Saints second rounder in the Shockley deal level absurdity

Comp pick for next year would be nice. I think Giants have bigger issues right now.
RE: given jt's glee  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14331989 JonC said:
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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.


Please dont mean extension.
RE: Been calling it for months.  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14332000 Britt in VA said:
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3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?
RE: Been calling it for months.  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14332000 Britt in VA said:
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Though, if we're being fair, you also told us that 2018 would be "Eli's Revenge Tour."
RE: given jt's glee  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14331989 JonC said:
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something new for Eli makes sense.

BBI is going to implode if that's the case.


Oh Christ.
RE: RE: Been calling it for months.  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14332035 Tesla said:
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3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?


nope. Fully guaranteed with part ownership as well.
RE: RE: Been calling it for months.  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14332041 Tesla said:
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Though, if we're being fair, you also told us that 2018 would be "Eli's Revenge Tour."


It was kind of - if the revenge he was seeking was on the Giants for benching him.
That is about the only thing I've gotten wrong...  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 11:22 am : link
in the past three years, so... I'll own it. I thought the team would be better last year. They didn't.

Maybe when Eli gets his extension it was just delayed a year or so.
Well its been a pretty boring day so far.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 11:22 am : link
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Can I be the first to  
sr267 : 3/13/2019 11:22 am : link
nominate hitdog for the Asshat Hall of Fame?

Speech!!! Speech!!!
well, I no doubt believe jt  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 11:23 am : link
that something noteworthy will happen.

If it's an Eli extension, it's going to take a lot of self control for me not to scream and fly off the handle.

I'm willing to give them some room to prove that this OBJ trade has them thinking and moving in the right direction.

Extending Eli would be the direct opposite of that.
They can extend Eli  
blueblood : 3/13/2019 11:23 am : link
and convert his the majority of his salary to a bonus which allows them to spread his money out and lower his cap number. That way he loses no money and the Giants gain cap flexibility this year.. and can afford it going forward...

This is what I would expect..

Then I expect some of that money to go toward getting a RT and some other help..
RE: I've retired  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14332013 hitdog42 said:
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from asshatting

if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!


Dog,

You made BBI insane for a while. Thanks for all the info in the past. Please share if you hear anything. Thanks.
Some of this stuff isn't hard to see comming.....  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2019 11:25 am : link
you just have to open your eyes to it.
RE: Some of this stuff isn't hard to see comming.....  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14332073 Reb8thVA said:
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you just have to open your eyes to it.


It really is that easy. The tea leaves the past couple years have been so easy to read. Crystal clear, nearly.

Surprised so many get it wrong.
RE: I've retired  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14332013 hitdog42 said:
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from asshatting

if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!


I selfishly urge you to reconsider.

But seriously, thanks for all you have shared.
"Today will be fun"  
Anakim : 3/13/2019 11:27 am : link
But for whom? Because yesterday certainly wasn't fun for us, Giants fans.
Outside the OBJ trade  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:27 am : link
which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
RE: Outside the OBJ trade  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:29 am : link
In comment 14332084 Mike from Ohio said:
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which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.


Them not spending wild money on sought after FA has been unpredictable because of what happened last year and in 2016. So that has been shocking to me.
Kind of sad  
Marty866b : 3/13/2019 11:29 am : link
That this thread is most likely much more enjoyable then our upcoming season.
How Any Reasonable Person Could  
Giants38 : 3/13/2019 11:30 am : link
Be excited about an Eli extension is beyond me. If that happens, this team is truly rudderless with no real plan.
RE: RE: Outside the OBJ trade  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14332091 dep026 said:
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which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.



Them not spending wild money on sought after FA has been unpredictable because of what happened last year and in 2016. So that has been shocking to me.


There is still time for wild, unwise FA spending. Wait until 4pm!
RE: RE: Some of this stuff isn't hard to see comming.....  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14332076 Britt in VA said:
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you just have to open your eyes to it.



It really is that easy. The tea leaves the past couple years have been so easy to read. Crystal clear, nearly.

Surprised so many get it wrong.


I don't know if it's so much that people can't see it - it's more that a lot of us are trying not to believe it.

An extension for Eli would be a tough pill to swallow at this point.

But you're probably right that it's what they'll do.

For better or worse, they want him here when they take the next QB. Adding next year to his deal, spreading the money, reducing this year's cap hit and trying to structure it in a way that won't kill us if we want to cut bait after this year is about what I expect them to do at this point.

They'll take the cap space, pursue someone like Williams to play RT... and then once again, we're in a precarious position where we're making moves like we want to win games now, but simultaneously making others that make that much less likely.

To me, if you're going in this direction, you need Eli to go out the door with Beckham. Otherwise, what purpose does it really serve to have him on the roster?

It's not what I want - but it's what I think is probably coming next.
Jonc  
jayg5 : 3/13/2019 11:31 am : link
Something new for Eli makes sense....

A new contract???

A new weapon?
The idea of extending Eli to lessen his cap hit  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 11:32 am : link
to me, I would ask a simple question. Why? If the cost to do so is to bring in Williams at RT, I'd ask the Giants to look somewhere else to find the money. Stop spending good money after bad. If the Giants aren't going to cut Eli to just start this whole thing completely over (and all indications are "the Kansas City Model" is the way they will go), either ask him to take a paycut (he won't) or just leave him and his contract alone and go into next year with an unfettered cap. This year is a complete rebuild for young players. The prime free agents have been plucked. What is the point to extending Eli? Unless....

The Giants really are going to load up the roster everywhere this year except for QB, squeeze yet another year out of Eli playing the role of Peyton in his final run with the Broncos where he's a shell of himself, but carried by the rest of the team. In this case, Eli would be carried by Saquon and a better OL. And the plan is to get that 2020 QB and delay the "KC Model" one more year to land a Fromm/Tua/Herbert.

I still standby my assertion. I don't really like any of the QBs in this draft. Push comes to shove, and if the Cardinals are taking Murray, trade those mid round picks for Rosen, and if you want him to sit behind Eli to break him in slow, fine. If he busts, you are back in the market again in 2020 anyway. But Rosen is as much a gamble as Haskins or Lock. I'd rather keep the high picks to fix the roster.

Now, if they do draft Haskins/Lock or trade for Rosen, and still extend Eli, I'll throw my hands in the friggin air because it will make no damn sense eat cap space next year for no reason.
RE: RE: RE: Been calling it for months.  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14332043 dep026 said:
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In comment 14332035 Tesla said:


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3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?



nope. Fully guaranteed with part ownership as well.


You're being sarcastic. I am not. I believe DG and PS when they tell us that they believe Eli still has "years" left, and that they look at his good games as proof that he still has "it." I don't think they are joking about that.

And if they didn't love Darnold they sure as fuck aren't taking Haskins or any of the other QB's in this draft. Plus they've stated they want Eli to tutor a young QB.

So the most likely plan is to draw a QB in 2020, and keep Eli around until then to mentor him for at least a year (maybe more?). But if they don't get a QB in 2020 they'll need Eli around until at least 2021 then.

I'm not being sarcastic......Britt is correct that this is the most likely course of action.....just listen to what Gettleman, Shurmur and Mara have been telling us, it's all there right in front of us.
RE: Outside the OBJ trade  
Danny Kanell : 3/13/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14332084 Mike from Ohio said:
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which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.


Ahem... ;)

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Danny Kanell : 3/11/2019 1:05 pm : link : reply
I have absolutely no basis to back this up but I have a real gut feeling OBJ gets traded this week.
If this is Eli...  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 11:34 am : link
getting more money and a f-ckin extension than the last 16 ours will have been all for naught.

And it would lead me to believe that Mara said the only way he would allow Gettleman to trade OBJ is for Eli to stay on as QB, and with an extension. That would be an unreal cave-in by DG. And it would lead me to believe there is a huge fracture inside Jints Central that may be irreparable.
3 years $100 mil  
Default : 3/13/2019 11:34 am : link
all guaranteed.
Were not trading for Wilson.  
Bluesbreaker : 3/13/2019 11:36 am : link
My God get a grip we have 12 picks in this draft
if we add Williams RT and someone mentioned Golden
we would have a pretty solid O-line for Barkley
and whomever ends up the starting QB .
If they cut Eli which is a possibility . Then its a
different story .I don't think they will make a play
for Rosen either .If they were in love with him he
would be on the team right now .
Murray isn't in the conversation to me Cards are likely
to take him . Haskins I like him as a player but certainly
not in love with him . They could very well take him at
#6 then keeping Eli one last season makes sense
RE: RE: Outside the OBJ trade  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14332115 Danny Kanell said:
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which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.



Ahem... ;)



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Danny Kanell : 3/11/2019 1:05 pm : link : reply
I have absolutely no basis to back this up but I have a real gut feeling OBJ gets traded this week.



My sincerest apologies, DK.

One person (to my knowledge) called this. Many wanted it, but that is not the same as "calling it" which DK did.
You have to understand something....  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:38 am : link
Mara thinks of Eli like a son. He's honestly like family to him, which is why he canned McAdoo on the spot - even after everyone saying the Giants would NEVER fire a coach mid-season, just was't their way.

When viewed through that prism, he will only get rid of him when he has absolutely no other choice.
I'll talk later  
jtgiants : 3/13/2019 11:38 am : link
But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later
.....  
Micko : 3/13/2019 11:39 am : link
I'm hearing it's an extension for Eli. 6 yrs / $120 million. We'll have to cut Barkley to do it though.
RE: I'll talk later  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:
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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later


This makes total sense. Can you tell us one thing: is Eli getting a 2 year extension or 3 years?
RE: I'll talk later  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:
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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later


jt, I think you and I have been on the same page all year. Eager to see if that has carried over.
RE: I'll talk later  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:
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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later


Lol - they're probably about to undo all of the good they just did.

Cant wait.
Oh this is gonna be  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:41 am : link
fun.....
And to be clear, I do expect the Giants are extending Eli  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:41 am : link
It is a move completely incompatible with trading OBJ, but this team's recent history is to be overly conservative and focused on PR ahead of football. When you look at it that way, an Eli extension makes perfect sense.

Those of us holding out hope for intelligent football moves and sadly no longer expecting them.
RE: I'll talk later  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:
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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later


thanks jt, keep it coming buddy. I just don't know who is left out there in free agency that even makes this a discussion. Unless they are trading picks for players...which goes against the roster stocking idea. Ugh...I just want to see the Giants win again, is that so wrong?
if they aren't rebuilding  
GiantsFan84 : 3/13/2019 11:42 am : link
which is stupid then you're probably looking at

desir, golden, and williams today
RE: I'll talk later  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:
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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later


Wonderful, more evidence that the Giants are run by delusional clowns.
RE: RE: I'll talk later  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14332173 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:


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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later



jt, I think you and I have been on the same page all year. Eager to see if that has carried over.


Britt....we've had our disagreements but you've been on the money with this stuff....moreso than anyone else. Wiill you be willing to guess as the the years/numbers? 2 more years with a slight raise seem about right?
NYG's ability to cause me real anxiety  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 11:43 am : link
has dwindled with age and other life stuff that's more important...

but I have some serious anxiety right now. I think it's because after calming down last night, I took peace in the idea that we had just hit rock bottom and it was time to start building in the right direction.

So I'm caught off guard. I'm also highly over-caffeinated today.

Now I feel an impending sense of serious doom.
.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:43 am : link
Why would anyone be more mad? Eli retiring with a sub .599 career record is going to be HILARIOUS and something that no one will ever let him live down. It will come up in the same breath as his SB wins.
RE: And to be clear, I do expect the Giants are extending Eli  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14332179 Mike from Ohio said:
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It is a move completely incompatible with trading OBJ, but this team's recent history is to be overly conservative and focused on PR ahead of football. When you look at it that way, an Eli extension makes perfect sense.

Those of us holding out hope for intelligent football moves and sadly no longer expecting them.


More losing coming up. I hope those that will enjoy the moves that jt is referring to can savor those feelings through the winter, because this is the best of Giants football they're going to have for quite some time.
.500  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:44 am : link
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RE: .  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14332199 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Why would anyone be more mad? Eli retiring with a sub .599 career record is going to be HILARIOUS and something that no one will ever let him live down. It will come up in the same breath as his SB wins.


Never stop being you!
RE: I'll talk later  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:
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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later


JFC.
lol  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:45 am : link
at posters here.
Shouldn't some of you be at Modell's picking up your  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 11:46 am : link
new OBJ jerseys?
RE: RE: .  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14332213 Chris684 said:
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In comment 14332199 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Why would anyone be more mad? Eli retiring with a sub .599 career record is going to be HILARIOUS and something that no one will ever let him live down. It will come up in the same breath as his SB wins.



Never stop being you!


Looks like I hit a nerve already. Well, that was easy.
RE: RE: RE: I'll talk later  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14332193 Tesla said:
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In comment 14332173 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 14332157 jtgiants said:


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But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later



jt, I think you and I have been on the same page all year. Eager to see if that has carried over.



Britt....we've had our disagreements but you've been on the money with this stuff....moreso than anyone else. Wiill you be willing to guess as the the years/numbers? 2 more years with a slight raise seem about right?


I would guess one year extension. No idea on numbers.
RE: Shouldn't some of you be at Modell's picking up your  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14332229 Chris684 said:
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new OBJ jerseys?


Why? Watching the Giants suck for yet another season will be more than enough for most of us. No need to spend any money.
dep and Britt will be happy i'm sure  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 11:48 am : link
But I still don't know if this is the direction the franchise should be heading.

If jt is right and the view is that this team is ready to compete  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:49 am : link
You should expect to see Eli extended and a waive of high priced free agents signed this afternoon. And then you should expect that this team will be bad for many more years to come.

I spent decades being frustrated that the Islanders were run by a pack to rotating clowns. Just as they bring in some adults to take over, the Giants take over for them.

Don't be surprised if Gettleman's successor as GM isn't Alex Tanney.
RE: dep and Britt will be happy i'm sure  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14332252 figgy2989 said:
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But I still don't know if this is the direction the franchise should be heading.


If the Giants continue not to overspend for mediocre talent and draft well, I will be happy.

Posters are looking at this all wrong, not surprisingly.
RE: .  
crick n NC : 3/13/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14332199 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Why would anyone be more mad? Eli retiring with a sub .599 career record is going to be HILARIOUS and something that no one will ever let him live down. It will come up in the same breath as his SB wins.


I thought you were getting on fans the other day for being "happy" that Eli may finish his career below .500?

Now you describe it as hilarious? Maybe I am missing something.
RE: dep and Britt will be happy i'm sure  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14332252 figgy2989 said:
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But I still don't know if this is the direction the franchise should be heading.


I wouldn't say happy. At this point I'm kind of indifferent whether it's Eli or not, but really interested to see it play out.

But the difference between me and a lot of people is I actually can see a plan, with or without Eli.

I can see how he could be a placeholder. A lot of people can't wrap their head around that.

They scream about the money. Well, the extension would reduce that money that seems to be the current issue du jour with it.
Remember your beauty last night  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 11:52 am : link
sarcastically calling me out for seeing the obvious Beckham trade a mile away?

Maybe you're too busy chasing your tail with hope that Eli's record sails below .500 because that would, what? Make you happy?

Apparently so.

That's why I call you Dismal Dave.
I fear this ends in a trade up  
aimrocky : 3/13/2019 11:52 am : link
for Murray.
If this organization thinks we can compete in 19 with Eli...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 11:52 am : link
JFC.
RE: RE: dep and Britt will be happy i'm sure  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14332267 dep026 said:
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In comment 14332252 figgy2989 said:


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But I still don't know if this is the direction the franchise should be heading.




If the Giants continue not to overspend for mediocre talent and draft well, I will be happy.

Posters are looking at this all wrong, not surprisingly.


Not overspend, but possibly extend Eli adding to next year (and future years) cap is smart?
nothing screams quality rebuild  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 11:52 am : link
like $20M+ 'placeholders'.

RE: If jt is right and the view is that this team is ready to compete  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14332265 Mike from Ohio said:
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You should expect to see Eli extended and a waive of high priced free agents signed this afternoon. And then you should expect that this team will be bad for many more years to come.

I spent decades being frustrated that the Islanders were run by a pack to rotating clowns. Just as they bring in some adults to take over, the Giants take over for them.

Don't be surprised if Gettleman's successor as GM isn't Alex Tanney.


This is so f-cked up that it makes me wonder this...

Did Eli go into Gettleman's office, knowing they wanted to keep him, but with this demand - it's either me or OBJ. What say you?
RE: RE: .  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14332274 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14332199 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Why would anyone be more mad? Eli retiring with a sub .599 career record is going to be HILARIOUS and something that no one will ever let him live down. It will come up in the same breath as his SB wins.



I thought you were getting on fans the other day for being "happy" that Eli may finish his career below .500?

Now you describe it as hilarious? Maybe I am missing something.


You are one slow fella, crick. You ever heard of sarcasm? Christ almighty.
RE: Remember your beauty last night  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14332280 Chris684 said:
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sarcastically calling me out for seeing the obvious Beckham trade a mile away?

Maybe you're too busy chasing your tail with hope that Eli's record sails below .500 because that would, what? Make you happy?

Apparently so.


And thats why I call you Cunty Chris. So, were all goodbye here.
That's why I call you Dismal Dave.
RE: RE: dep and Britt will be happy i'm sure  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14332276 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14332252 figgy2989 said:


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But I still don't know if this is the direction the franchise should be heading.




I wouldn't say happy. At this point I'm kind of indifferent whether it's Eli or not, but really interested to see it play out.

But the difference between me and a lot of people is I actually can see a plan, with or without Eli.

I can see how he could be a placeholder. A lot of people can't wrap their head around that.

They scream about the money. Well, the extension would reduce that money that seems to be the current issue du jour with it.


Britt, I give you credit if you can see the plan. I know we are getting ahead of ourselves as no one knows what the news is actually going to be. I just feel that this franchise is going to be no better off if they extend Eli, essentially kicking the can down the road.

RE: RE: dep and Britt will be happy i'm sure  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14332276 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14332252 figgy2989 said:


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But I still don't know if this is the direction the franchise should be heading.




They scream about the money. Well, the extension would reduce that money that seems to be the current issue du jour with it.


That's the one thing I disagree with you about....I don't think Mara will ever ask Eli to take a paycut, which would seem "disrespectful" to Eli. Again I really think Mara sees Eli as a son and you have to account for that when predicting what the Giants will do here.
Its gonna be a 1 year extension to reduce this years cap hit  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 11:56 am : link
no biggie. Life will go on.
RE: RE: If jt is right and the view is that this team is ready to compete  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14332291 bw in dc said:
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You should expect to see Eli extended and a waive of high priced free agents signed this afternoon. And then you should expect that this team will be bad for many more years to come.

I spent decades being frustrated that the Islanders were run by a pack to rotating clowns. Just as they bring in some adults to take over, the Giants take over for them.

Don't be surprised if Gettleman's successor as GM isn't Alex Tanney.



This is so f-cked up that it makes me wonder this...

Did Eli go into Gettleman's office, knowing they wanted to keep him, but with this demand - it's either me or OBJ. What say you?


No. I honestly believe they thought OBJ was under control when they gave him the contract. But the thing that I believe tripped them up was the Lil Wayne interview. I think Mara has a very hard time realizing a guy like OBJ will say a lot of stupid but ultimately harmless things, and decided he had to go.

I think much like the way the Eli benching and response was handled, it was much more about Mara's emotions than based on what made football sense.
RE: If this organization thinks we can compete in 19 with Eli...  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14332284 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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JFC.


Not just 2019. At LEAST into 2020, maybe even into 2021. They don't think he's lost a thing, just like Jonathan Stewart "hasn't lost a step in 10 years."
RE: Its gonna be a 1 year extension to reduce this years cap hit  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14332313 dep026 said:
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no biggie. Life will go on.


I'll be you a dollar he gets a raise. No way Mara disrespects him by asking him to take a reduced salary in 2020.
RE: Its gonna be a 1 year extension to reduce this years cap hit  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14332313 dep026 said:
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no biggie. Life will go on.


Well that is just dumb because cutting Eli creates the most cap space.
The idea of an Ext for Eli  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 11:59 am : link

What a fuckin ride...
I'll toss this out  
jtgiants : 3/13/2019 12:01 pm : link
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Stop w the Rosen nonsense. Not Happening
If Eli is extended  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 12:02 pm : link
then I believe #6 is going to be Haskins.

17, 37, 95 will be some combo of WR, ER, OL.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 12:02 pm : link
It's pretty obvious where this is going...

Eli is getting another year.

They're going to try and spread the cap space, reduce the hit this year, add FA's and here we go again...

I was really hoping this wouldn't be the direction, but it looks like it's going to be. Oh well.
RE: RE: RE: .  
crick n NC : 3/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14332297 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Why would anyone be more mad? Eli retiring with a sub .599 career record is going to be HILARIOUS and something that no one will ever let him live down. It will come up in the same breath as his SB wins.



I thought you were getting on fans the other day for being "happy" that Eli may finish his career below .500?

Now you describe it as hilarious? Maybe I am missing something.



You are one slow fella, crick. You ever heard of sarcasm? Christ almighty.


Can't say that I have. I'll look it up.

Thanks
Extending Eli  
AcesUp : 3/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
to make room for a bunch of free agents sounds like the plan.
RE: Extending Eli  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14332383 AcesUp said:
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to make room for a bunch of free agents sounds like the plan.


Just shoot me.
RE: .  
mfsd : 3/13/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14332375 arcarsenal said:
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It's pretty obvious where this is going...

Eli is getting another year.

They're going to try and spread the cap space, reduce the hit this year, add FA's and here we go again...

I was really hoping this wouldn't be the direction, but it looks like it's going to be. Oh well.


The meltdown here if were extending Eli will be a sight to see
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14332375 arcarsenal said:
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It's pretty obvious where this is going...

Eli is getting another year.

They're going to try and spread the cap space, reduce the hit this year, add FA's and here we go again...

I was really hoping this wouldn't be the direction, but it looks like it's going to be. Oh well.


These guys are clueless.
RE: .  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14332375 arcarsenal said:
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It's pretty obvious where this is going...

Eli is getting another year.

They're going to try and spread the cap space, reduce the hit this year, add FA's and here we go again...

I was really hoping this wouldn't be the direction, but it looks like it's going to be. Oh well.


I really think you are right - this is the plan this band of fools has hatched.
RE: RE: .  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14332389 mfsd said:
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In comment 14332375 arcarsenal said:


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It's pretty obvious where this is going...

Eli is getting another year.

They're going to try and spread the cap space, reduce the hit this year, add FA's and here we go again...

I was really hoping this wouldn't be the direction, but it looks like it's going to be. Oh well.



The meltdown here if were extending Eli will be a sight to see


Can't wait.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14332389 mfsd said:
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In comment 14332375 arcarsenal said:


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It's pretty obvious where this is going...

Eli is getting another year.

They're going to try and spread the cap space, reduce the hit this year, add FA's and here we go again...

I was really hoping this wouldn't be the direction, but it looks like it's going to be. Oh well.



The meltdown here if were extending Eli will be a sight to see


I'll probably take the rest of the week off from BBI when the bomb drops.
RE: RE: RE: .  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14332406 arcarsenal said:
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I'll probably take the rest of the week off from BBI when the bomb drops.


+1
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Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:07 pm : link
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 12:07 pm : link
UFB. I'm going to be sick.
You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 12:08 pm : link
I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
If they do keep Eli around two more seasons, it'll be a shame  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 12:09 pm : link
Not just for his record and stats, but he'll ultimately end up a villain to a legion of Giants fans, who will misplace frustration that should be aimed at management.
RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14332425 Brown Recluse said:
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.


The complaining is well deserved. Keep waiting for it to shake out though.
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14332435 ajr2456 said:
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.



The complaining is well deserved. Keep waiting for it to shake out though.


Looks like I already hit a nerve.
RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14332425 Brown Recluse said:
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.


I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.

I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.

It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.

I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14332466 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14332425 Brown Recluse said:


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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.



I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.

I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.

It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.

I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.


Agreed.
RE: If they do keep Eli around two more seasons, it'll be a shame  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14332428 jcn56 said:
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Not just for his record and stats, but he'll ultimately end up a villain to a legion of Giants fans, who will misplace frustration that should be aimed at management.


I don't think so. There is enough cushion built up from the notion that Eli's best years were thwarted by the Reese Era.
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14332466 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14332425 Brown Recluse said:


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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.



I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.

I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.

It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.

I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.


Indoubtably! Well said
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
Joeguido : 3/13/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14332466 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14332425 Brown Recluse said:


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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.

I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.



I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.

I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.

It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.

I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.


Well said....
Or we can just restructure Zeitler  
Anakim : 3/13/2019 12:16 pm : link
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RE: Extending Eli  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14332383 AcesUp said:
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to make room for a bunch of free agents sounds like the plan.


Ugh. What a rebuilding plan. Eli will play into his 40's I expect.
I bet the mast majority of the folks  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 12:17 pm : link
here just want to hitch on to an idea of the plan on where the franchise is heading. Are the Giants rebuilding or trying to go for it.

Right, wrong or indifferent, the move last night and the speculation of extending Eli so they can now spend in free agency are contractions of one another.

Me personally, that is why I am frustrated. Have a plan, be honest with your fans and stick to it. That is why as a Rangers fan, them making that statement last year was the right thing to do.
*damn phone  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 12:17 pm : link
contradictions of one another
Yeah the Eli contingent on this site  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 12:19 pm : link
think this is still some sort of pro-Eli or anti-Eli referendum. It isn't, but they don't understand that because they don't want to.

It is the idea that this team can't seem to figure out whether it is rebuilding or making a run. I think most on here find the second possibility preposterous.
I admit  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:20 pm : link
It is darkly entertaining to see the management continue to pull the "no, THIS time we'll finally build another contender around Eli" strategy that they've been doing since 2013.
Maybe a trade for a tagged pass rusher  
AcesUp : 3/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
like Clowney or something too. Sounds like it'll be splashy based on jt and Hanlon and none of the available free agents outside of Thomas really move the needle.
RE: I bet the mast majority of the folks  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14332506 figgy2989 said:
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here just want to hitch on to an idea of the plan on where the franchise is heading. Are the Giants rebuilding or trying to go for it.

Right, wrong or indifferent, the move last night and the speculation of extending Eli so they can now spend in free agency are contractions of one another.

Me personally, that is why I am frustrated. Have a plan, be honest with your fans and stick to it. That is why as a Rangers fan, them making that statement last year was the right thing to do.


Yep. I appreciated the way NYR handled that. They were upfront with the fans. They know we hated watching all of the guys who made the great runs we had happen go (mostly) south to Tampa (and a few other scattered places) and knew it was going to be tough to see the team sink all the way down near the bottom like this... but ultimately, they realized that the window had closed and it was time to build a new foundation.

Now, we still have Hank looming... sort of similar to Eli in a lot of ways. I suspect moving on from him may be about as much of a challenge as this is... but at least in the case of the Rangers, we've got a nice little prospect over in the KHL who has been outstanding and some reason for post-Hank hope.

(Sorry, that's a lot of NHL for a football thread - but you get my point)

There's just too much teetering here. I was hoping yesterday meant we were just going to tear this entire band aid off in one swoop... but it seems like we still want to handle the Eli part hair by painful hair. :/
RE: RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14332493 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14332466 arcarsenal said:

It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.





Indoubtably! Well said


Hmmmm. So you actually agree with this...interesting.
RE: I'll toss this out  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14332365 jtgiants said:
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Stop w the Rosen nonsense. Not Happening
People said that about trading OBJ too, just sayin'
RE: If they do keep Eli around two more seasons, it'll be a shame  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14332428 jcn56 said:
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Not just for his record and stats, but he'll ultimately end up a villain to a legion of Giants fans, who will misplace frustration that should be aimed at management.


Strong Agree. Eli has been the best QB the Giants have ever had. But an extension is just so unlikely to end well and as he hangs on in sub 500 seasons he will be seen as the problem, instead of where he should be seen. Aside from his own play, he's been poorly served by the front office. It's unlikely for that to turn around in time for him to have "one more good run".

I won't blame him a bit for taking Mara's money if he wants to, though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be.  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14332547 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14332493 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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In comment 14332466 arcarsenal said:

It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.





Indoubtably! Well said



Hmmmm. So you actually agree with this...interesting.


To be fair, Fatman hasn't been as pro-Eli as you would think this offseason. He's said a couple of times that if they could find a way to replace his production at a cheaper cost, they should, and that an extension would just be kicking the can down the road.
38yr old Eli  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 12:26 pm : link
Marino, Payton, Simms, Warner, Bradshaw et al...

Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK
Like  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 12:27 pm : link
I like that DG is going for it and making big moves. The position is not too big for him and he doesn't play it safe or scared. That said, it's on him. This needs to work. I want a new QB but want to win more than have my say who is behind center. Just win bebe.
I haven't been..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2019 12:27 pm : link
Pro-Eli for a long time in that I have been on record saying he should be replaced. I was critical of McAdoo for not getting webb reps and Shurmur for not getting Lauletta reps, as well as wanting a QB in last year's draft .

I argue more about the idiots who concoct ridiculous scenarios on how the giants are indebted to Eli and will do anything in their power to get him another Super Bowl.
MY LIVER CAN'T TAKE  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 12:28 pm : link
ANOTHER "RUN WITH ELI". IT CAN'T.
The longer this runs on  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
the more difficult the argument is that Eli belongs in the hall of fame. Add one or two more 5-11 seasons to his record and he is a QB that is below .500 winning percentage across a long career with one team. He will also have losing records for 7 out of 8 or 8 out of 9 years to close his career.

What is the argument you make for that guy? "Well you have to keep in mind he played for the Giants, and nobody could have won there for the past decade."

It is possible to love Eli and pray like hell the Giants move on from him.
Eli extension makes sense  
WillVAB : 3/13/2019 12:32 pm : link
If they desire a QB in 2020 (which should be the plan) it makes sense to have something worth a damn at the QB position until thats happens.
RE: 38yr old Eli  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14332582 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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Marino, Payton, Simms, Warner, Bradshaw et al...

Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK


This is it right here. 38 is the magic number. Brady and Moon overcame it. Favre had a weird run: played terrible at 39, magnificent at 40, then terrible again at 41.

Brees played well at 39 but declined considerably over the course of the season.

There are no other examples of QBs playing well past this point.
RE: I haven't been..  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14332584 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I argue more about the idiots who concoct ridiculous scenarios on how the giants are indebted to Eli and will do anything in their power to get him another Super Bowl.


So when they come out today and say they think they can win and compete with Eli, and feel great about their moves, the upcoming draft, etc, etc - and they are going to say this - you will once again do the Fat-Mara two-step and begin another torturous off-season of defending your heroes at Jints Central.
RE: RE: 38yr old Eli  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14332611 Lambuth_Special said:
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Marino, Payton, Simms, Warner, Bradshaw et al...

Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK



This is it right here. 38 is the magic number. Brady and Moon overcame it. Favre had a weird run: played terrible at 39, magnificent at 40, then terrible again at 41.

Brees played well at 39 but declined considerably over the course of the season.

There are no other examples of QBs playing well past this point.


John Elway won a Superbowl at 38.

Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.

Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
Phil Simms took the Giants to 11-5 and made the playoffs at 38.  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:37 pm : link
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I'm not saying it WILL happen....  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:38 pm : link
however.

Just that it's not the unicorn it's being made out to be.
In all fairness  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 12:38 pm : link
Peyton was clearly a passenger along for the ride when he won the Superbowl in Denver. He was completely cooked.
RE: Phil Simms took the Giants to 11-5 and made the playoffs at 38.  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14332637 Britt in VA said:
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And had a team around him.
RE: In all fairness  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14332641 Mike from Ohio said:
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Peyton was clearly a passenger along for the ride when he won the Superbowl in Denver. He was completely cooked.


He also made it with them at 38, and was not cooked.
RE: RE: RE: 38yr old Eli  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14332632 Britt in VA said:
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John Elway won a Superbowl at 38.

Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.

Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.


Yes, Elway and Warner did at age 38. Age 39 is where the fallout typically happens. That was my point.

Peyton won his superbowl at age 39, and he was...not very good!
Read The Tea Leaves As Eric Said  
Giants38 : 3/13/2019 12:40 pm : link
JTGiants shot down Rosen but not the Eli speculation here. And if hes saying this idiotic front office thinks the Giants can win now and that people here will be unhappy, you can pretty much guess theyll be extending Eli at 4. DSG is a failure if epic proportions, and I really dont know any other way to put it. If you thought it was going to take time to undo Reeses damage, just wait until we have to repair the pillage DSG has brought upon us.

You people who are happy should be ashamed of yourselves. If this front office thinks the Giants can compete they should all be fired on the spot immediately. I really dont know how else to put it.
I know it's unlikely but please be Russell Wilson  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/13/2019 12:40 pm : link
He's under contract through next year and the Giants will have a huge amount of cap space then. It would give Seattle $17M in cap space this year.

I'd give up the 6th pick for him in a NY minute. I'd throw in some of those 5th rounders as well. Seattle does pretty well in the draft even in the lower rounds.

I know I'm dreaming but I'd be all for getting Wilson.
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Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 12:40 pm : link
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14332656 Brown Recluse said:
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LOL. Me at work. I'm useless today.
As far as Peyton goes...  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:41 pm : link
his four neck surgeries and losing ALL strength in his throwing arm for a year not knowing whether it would ever come back probably had a LOT more to do with him being cooked than his age did.
Stop Posting Examples of Age 38 Seasons!  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:42 pm : link
My whole point was that QBs play well up to 38, and then fall off or retire afterward.
RE: RE: In all fairness  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:43 pm : link
In comment 14332647 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14332641 Mike from Ohio said:


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Peyton was clearly a passenger along for the ride when he won the Superbowl in Denver. He was completely cooked.



He also made it with them at 38, and was not cooked.


His team was knocked out in the 2nd round by the Colts and he didn't look very good in that game.
It should be noted  
mfsd : 3/13/2019 12:43 pm : link
unless I missed it, all jt has said is today will be a fun day, and no Rosen

Try not to jump off bridges just yet about an Eli extension, so far thats purely BBI conjecture about what he means by fun day
Britt  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 12:43 pm : link
Those are great examples, however, the key with all of those teams actually had talent.

The Giants are far from a finished product for the 2019 season right now, but you are kidding yourself if you think surrounding this 38 QB with this roster is even close to being the same.
Eli is one of the worst QBs in football  
Oscar : 3/13/2019 12:44 pm : link
Hes been a liability for years. The only people who havent realized that yet are running the Giants which is a problem.
RE: RE: RE: 38yr old Eli  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14332632 Britt in VA said:
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John Elway won a Superbowl at 38.

Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.

Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.


And all of them were better quarterbacks than Eli Manning when they were younger. What's your point?
if the plan was to make a run with a 38 year old qb  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 12:45 pm : link
then accumulating 12 picks in this draft by trading starters is a strange approach.
And to Repeat Myself  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 12:48 pm : link
If the Giants want to have Eli start and Play out his contract in 2019, I can see SOME logic in doing it even if I disagree, because there are a number of examples of QBs playing well at 38.

It's the extension that is foolish, because there are few examples of QBs playing well past age 38.
Forget about Rosen  
JonC : 3/13/2019 12:48 pm : link
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Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:48 pm : link
?
RE: Forget about Rosen  
figgy2989 : 3/13/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14332699 JonC said:
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Two solid asshats saying no on Rosen. Let's just hope there is more news then an extension for Eli.
RE: Forget about Rosen  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14332699 JonC said:
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Any thoughts on an Eli extension prior to Sunday?
RE: Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14332701 Britt in VA said:
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yes. No? Maybe?
I'm going to get sloshed tonight if we  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 12:50 pm : link
extend Eli.
RE: Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14332701 Britt in VA said:
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we've seen this movie before

--> you'll be right --> everyone freaks out, rightly --> you say 'nailed it' --> Giants suck --> everyone freaks out --> you say 'nailed it' --> everyone sad --> you say 'nailed it'
Maybe  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 12:53 pm : link
Tyrell Williams and the big fatso RT?
RE: RE: Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14332713 bigbluehoya said:
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we've seen this movie before

--> you'll be right --> everyone freaks out, rightly --> you say 'nailed it' --> Giants suck --> everyone freaks out --> you say 'nailed it' --> everyone sad --> you say 'nailed it'


LOL. This!
RE: RE: Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14332713 bigbluehoya said:
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we've seen this movie before

--> you'll be right --> everyone freaks out, rightly --> you say 'nailed it' --> Giants suck --> everyone freaks out --> you say 'nailed it' --> everyone sad --> you say 'nailed it'


LOLOL
RE: RE: Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14332713 bigbluehoya said:
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we've seen this movie before

--> you'll be right --> everyone freaks out, rightly --> you say 'nailed it' --> Giants suck --> everyone freaks out --> you say 'nailed it' --> everyone sad --> you say 'nailed it'

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RE: Forget about Rosen  
Giants38 : 3/13/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14332699 JonC said:
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Is it me, or is that inside info we receive overwhelmingly negative? Dont get me wrong; I like the info. Maybe its because we want things and the info just quashes it. But its we want Rosen - too bad no. No extension for Eli - well, youre getting 5 more years of him. This team is rebuilding - no theyre not.

At some point, it would be great to see, we want a trade up for Murray - guess what, youre actually getting that.

I look forward to that day. I hope I live to see it.
RE: RE: Forget about Rosen  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14332760 Giants38 said:
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Is it me, or is that inside info we receive overwhelmingly negative? Dont get me wrong; I like the info. Maybe its because we want things and the info just quashes it. But its we want Rosen - too bad no. No extension for Eli - well, youre getting 5 more years of him. This team is rebuilding - no theyre not.

At some point, it would be great to see, we want a trade up for Murray - guess what, youre actually getting that.

I look forward to that day. I hope I live to see it.


The "making bad moves to own BBI posters" strategy.
RE: RE: Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14332713 bigbluehoya said:
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we've seen this movie before

--> you'll be right --> everyone freaks out, rightly --> you say 'nailed it' --> Giants suck --> everyone freaks out --> you say 'nailed it' --> everyone sad --> you say 'nailed it'


Perfect summary.
Don't worry....  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 1:07 pm : link
one of these days, if you keep predicting the same thing year after year, it will finally happen.
Lets get back to JT for a second  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 1:07 pm : link
he said "lots" - so is there more than Eli getting an extension? Williams signing? We are recouping the 2nd rounder from the Shockey trade?

You cant tease us anymore!!!
'yesterday certainly wasn't fun for us'...  
Torrag : 3/13/2019 1:07 pm : link
Sorry but it was for many of us. I was done with Bckham after the lifting the leg deal and it never got any better. The same is true of most of our circle of Giants fans which admittedly doesn't include many millenials...thank God.
tyrell williams is not good  
GiantsFan84 : 3/13/2019 1:08 pm : link
it better not be him
tyrell williams is not good  
Torrag : 3/13/2019 1:10 pm : link
Actually he is a 'good' player. Not great but solid. It would depend on the contract.
RE: RE: Forget about Rosen  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14332760 Giants38 said:
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Is it me, or is that inside info we receive overwhelmingly negative? Dont get me wrong; I like the info. Maybe its because we want things and the info just quashes it. But its we want Rosen - too bad no. No extension for Eli - well, youre getting 5 more years of him. This team is rebuilding - no theyre not.

At some point, it would be great to see, we want a trade up for Murray - guess what, youre actually getting that.

I look forward to that day. I hope I live to see it.


To be fair - I think Mara has probably been a bit TOO sensitive to the common Giant fans wants and wishes - and thats part of what the problem was to begin with.

Gettleman seems to be fine playing bad cop if need be.

I think it's time to stop worrying about the fans and build the team the right way.
RE: Don't worry....  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14332784 Britt in VA said:
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one of these days, if you keep predicting the same thing year after year, it will finally happen.


Unless you're predicting a successful season for the Giants, because there isn't going to be another one of those for quite some time.
RE: tyrell williams is not good  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14332804 Torrag said:
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Actually he is a 'good' player. Not great but solid. It would depend on the contract.


Yes, he's pretty good.
RE: tyrell williams is not good  
Anakim : 3/13/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14332795 GiantsFan84 said:
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it better not be him


Huh? He's by far the best WR on the open market and he proves much needed size.
RE: GARY!!! Get Ready!  
AcidTest : 3/13/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14331729 Heisenberg said:
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LOL.
Why can't people understand that if they thought Rosen was the  
jlukes : 3/13/2019 1:12 pm : link
long term franchise QB they were looking for, they would have drafted him at 2 last year. Plain and simple.
Tyrell  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 3/13/2019 1:13 pm : link
is also going to command over 10M annually. After trading OBJ and committing to him as the #1 at that cost? John Brown got 3 for 27, Funchess got a 1 year deal at 13M. Don't want any part of him at that price.

He had 11 games last year where had under 50 yards. Yes, I know he was the #2/3 WR there, but that's not inspiring any confidence in me.
RE: RE: Don't worry....  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14332808 Greg from LI said:
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one of these days, if you keep predicting the same thing year after year, it will finally happen.



Unless you're predicting a successful season for the Giants, because there isn't going to be another one of those for quite some time.


being right about what they should do >>>>> being right about what they actually do
are we expecting something minor  
blueblood : 3/13/2019 1:14 pm : link
or major ?
. . .  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 1:17 pm : link
RE: Tyrell  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14332821 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:
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is also going to command over 10M annually. After trading OBJ and committing to him as the #1 at that cost? John Brown got 3 for 27, Funchess got a 1 year deal at 13M. Don't want any part of him at that price.

He had 11 games last year where had under 50 yards. Yes, I know he was the #2/3 WR there, but that's not inspiring any confidence in me.


Keenen Allen is a target hog.

Williams often produced when he was given looks.

He's a good player.
My  
AcidTest : 3/13/2019 1:18 pm : link
guess is one or both of Eli and Zeitler will be restructured, freeing up money that will then be used to sign one or two FAs. Extending Eli probably reduces the chance of taking a QB this year.
RE: RE: tyrell williams is not good  
Amtoft : 3/13/2019 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14332813 Anakim said:
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it better not be him



Huh? He's by far the best WR on the open market and he proves much needed size.


I have to go with Golden Tate as the best WR, but he is more of a slot guy so I am guessing you mean outside WRs.
This waiting is tiring...  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2019 1:21 pm : link
RE: RE: Tyrell  
ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 3/13/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14332843 arcarsenal said:
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is also going to command over 10M annually. After trading OBJ and committing to him as the #1 at that cost? John Brown got 3 for 27, Funchess got a 1 year deal at 13M. Don't want any part of him at that price.

He had 11 games last year where had under 50 yards. Yes, I know he was the #2/3 WR there, but that's not inspiring any confidence in me.



Keenen Allen is a target hog.

Williams often produced when he was given looks.

He's a good player.


He's a good player, but he's not a player to commit $10M+ annually as a top target WR.

Look at his 2016 numbers when Keenan Allen missed the entire season with the kidney laceration. Only 3 games above 100 yards. This is my fear. We try and make up for the lost OBJ production by grossly overpaying marginal players. Tyrell this year, SS's extension next year. Screams to me like the Yanks letting Cano go, and trying to replace him with Ells.
Game Log - ( New Window )
I assume  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 1:24 pm : link
Nothing is heard until 4pm
back to what else NYG could be doing...  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 1:26 pm : link
If they don't feel like rebuilders...

then isn't the timing of the OBJ trade and (potential) Eli restructure/extend way off?

Free agency is 80% over before it starts these days...weren't these moves for like 2 weeks ago if they were really about freeing up capacity to field a good team in 2019?

Don't get me wrong -- I'd rather just bank as much of the space as possible rather than spend on 2019, but something about the timing of it all just doesn't seem to gel with the idea that they feel like competitive winners for 2019.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 1:28 pm : link
In 2016 he managed 69 catches for 1059 and 7 scores in 12 starts. His overall body of work was really solid for a guy who was thrust into duty a bit prematurely. He was actually better this past year, the numbers just aren't as good because he saw less looks. But he did more with them.

He's definitely had boom or bust weeks - he has some TY Hilton in him in that regard, but if we're looking at what's out there - he's probably the guy to go after. Ascending player, still young.

It's slim pickings out there. We are definitely going to need to draft someone.
Williams is not exciting. That would undersell the OP and Hanlon  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 1:30 pm : link
greatly.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 1:31 pm : link
No, he's not - and not what OP is alluding to I'm sure - but good doesn't always have to be exciting .
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Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14332898 arcarsenal said:
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No, he's not - and not what OP is alluding to I'm sure - but good doesn't always have to be exciting .


We actually need a lot of "good" and less "exciting" right now.

But I'll take both, please!
If Eli gets restructured, then maybe they are looking at 2020  
Bill L : 3/13/2019 1:32 pm : link
(I hope so) and then will still implement the mythical Mahomes model.

Maybe the couple it with a Zeitler restructure. Somehow though, I don't see them needing a ton of money this year (other than RT).

How about Jackrabbit for a young, controlled (potential #1) WR? Anyone available? I know it would leave them one more corner short, but still...
I'm not Sure an Eli Extension Could be Coded as Exciting Either  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 1:33 pm : link
Except for like 10 fans at this point.
Tyrell Williams averages 15+ yards a catch  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 1:34 pm : link
If you're looking for a guy to stretch the field so that Engram and Barkley can operate as receivers underneath, he's not a bad option to do that.

Would have to see the cost, though. These FA deals have been ridiculously overpriced.
Extension would be exciting in the sense that folks will be  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 1:34 pm : link
andgy, red faced and flecks of spittle will cover their phones and monitors.
Eli ...No  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 1:35 pm : link
I really hope that extending Eli is not the news. Not because I didn't get my way, but because I think it would be awful for the franchise. If they do, I hope we win and make the playoffs but our roster doesn't match up well with the rest of the division.
RE: If Eli gets restructured, then maybe they are looking at 2020  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14332905 Bill L said:
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(I hope so) and then will still implement the mythical Mahomes model.

Maybe the couple it with a Zeitler restructure. Somehow though, I don't see them needing a ton of money this year (other than RT).

How about Jackrabbit for a young, controlled (potential #1) WR? Anyone available? I know it would leave them one more corner short, but still...


Nothing like waiting til year 4 of Barkley to finally pair him with your next QB for a full season.

Also who is trading a potential #1 WR for a 30+ corner with a $15 million cap hit?
RE: Tyrell Williams averages 15+ yards a catch  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14332912 Go Terps said:
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If you're looking for a guy to stretch the field so that Engram and Barkley can operate as receivers underneath, he's not a bad option to do that.

Would have to see the cost, though. These FA deals have been ridiculously overpriced.


Spotrac has his market value @ 9.8M per - my guess is he gets like 3-4 years. If we can get him close to market value and not grossly overpay, I'd like it.
Oh btw  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 1:41 pm : link
I am swinging wildly based on jtgiants saying we don't believe we're rebuilding. I still think we absolutely are.
i watched a lot of charger games due to fantasy football  
GiantsFan84 : 3/13/2019 1:41 pm : link
williams is not that good. his hands are very questionable. he is not going to be worth what he gets paid
RE: RE: If Eli gets restructured, then maybe they are looking at 2020  
Bill L : 3/13/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14332929 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14332905 Bill L said:


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(I hope so) and then will still implement the mythical Mahomes model.

Maybe the couple it with a Zeitler restructure. Somehow though, I don't see them needing a ton of money this year (other than RT).

How about Jackrabbit for a young, controlled (potential #1) WR? Anyone available? I know it would leave them one more corner short, but still...



Nothing like waiting til year 4 of Barkley to finally pair him with your next QB for a full season.

Also who is trading a potential #1 WR for a 30+ corner with a $15 million cap hit?


True, it is a long wait. But then again I want a good QB after Eli. Not just the any QB will do guy that many here want. And, I wold be just as happy to go with Lauletta for a season while waiting for someone good. And re the trade, I was asking; I don't know. But that's our last available trade chit and a new glaring need. SO just some musing.
One possible cheap option is to trade for John Ross from Cincy  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 1:45 pm : link
If we're simply talking about getting a guy to just run "9" routes to occupy a safety so that Barkley, Engram, and hopefully drafted TE can operate underneath, it might not be something that we have to spend a lot on.

Ross isn't a great player, but he's fast. This is where Shurmur's ability to design an offense would come in.
Coleman is fast  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/13/2019 1:49 pm : link
I would like to draft TJ Hockenson
RE: Coleman is fast  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14333004 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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I would like to draft TJ Hockenson


Hockenson would definitely be a target for me. I'd want to pair him with Ellison as the TEs on the line, and use Engram as a Swiss Army knife.
RE: Oh btw  
JonC : 3/13/2019 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14332956 Joey in VA said:
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I am swinging wildly based on jtgiants saying we don't believe we're rebuilding. I still think we absolutely are.


It sure looks like it. Perhaps not down to the absolute nuts and bolts while Eli's still here, but they've been ripping up the roster for a year.
Tyrell Williams  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 2:01 pm : link
to Oakland.
RE: RE: Coleman is fast  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14333012 Go Terps said:
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I would like to draft TJ Hockenson



Hockenson would definitely be a target for me. I'd want to pair him with Ellison as the TEs on the line, and use Engram as a Swiss Army knife.


I wrote about him on one of the other threads. If the Giants are going to feature more of a running game, then go out and get TEs who are matchup problems for smaller DBs and too fast for safeties. Engram isn't much of a blocker (maybe "willing" at best), but Hockenson is getting looked at by the Patriots which is enough for me to pay attention. Using #17 on him and going to more 2 TE sets in which the Giants can be dangerous both running and passing, taking advantage of Barkley's two way abilities, and a better offensive line, the Giants could find a new wrinkle in the age of the 4 WRs.
RE: Tyrell Williams  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14333048 ajr2456 said:
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to Oakland.


Desir back to Indy. Scratch two possible moves off the list.
RE: RE: Tyrell Williams  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14333054 ajr2456 said:
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to Oakland.



Desir back to Indy. Scratch two possible moves off the list.


I don't really want either of those guys. The Giants can find a WR with one of their many mid round picks. As Sy and others have said, why overpay for a free agent now when you can just pick one and get the same production (and develop them).
RE: RE: RE: Coleman is fast  
Strip-Sack : 3/13/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14333049 Matt in SGS said:
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I would like to draft TJ Hockenson



Hockenson would definitely be a target for me. I'd want to pair him with Ellison as the TEs on the line, and use Engram as a Swiss Army knife.



I wrote about him on one of the other threads. If the Giants are going to feature more of a running game, then go out and get TEs who are matchup problems for smaller DBs and too fast for safeties. Engram isn't much of a blocker (maybe "willing" at best), but Hockenson is getting looked at by the Patriots which is enough for me to pay attention. Using #17 on him and going to more 2 TE sets in which the Giants can be dangerous both running and passing, taking advantage of Barkley's two way abilities, and a better offensive line, the Giants could find a new wrinkle in the age of the 4 WRs.


Agree...Bavaro 2.0
I'm not having fun yet!!!  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 2:08 pm : link
lol any clue what it could be

Seems like its not Rosen, and Wilson seems farfetched..

Not sure if a Eli extension is "fun"
Count another  
AcesUp : 3/13/2019 2:11 pm : link
All onboard with Hock at 17 and operating out of mostly 2 and 3 TE sets. If you're going to run a Barkley-centric offense, that's the way to do it. They're missing a true pass threat from TE that can actually block though, so Hockenson would be key.
I'm all set on using first rounders on TEs  
bigbluehoya : 3/13/2019 2:12 pm : link
do we not learn?
i'm all for the Iowa TE as well  
GiantsFan84 : 3/13/2019 2:14 pm : link
but i think if you go for him, you unload engram. i think he's more valuable in a trade than for the giants. he played less than half the snaps last year in the games he played. if they can unload in exchange for a good pick and grab the Iowa TE who is a true two way TE i think that would optimal
RE: i'm all for the Iowa TE as well  
AcesUp : 3/13/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14333091 GiantsFan84 said:
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but i think if you go for him, you unload engram. i think he's more valuable in a trade than for the giants. he played less than half the snaps last year in the games he played. if they can unload in exchange for a good pick and grab the Iowa TE who is a true two way TE i think that would optimal


Drafting Hockenson is more of a reason to keep Engram. Think Pats earlier this decade with Gronk and Hernandez.
RE: I'm not having fun yet!!!  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14333075 The Dude said:
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lol any clue what it could be

Seems like its not Rosen, and Wilson seems farfetched..

Not sure if a Eli extension is "fun"


I guess it would be fun if you enjoyed triggering fans that don't want him to remain QB beyond 2019...which would probably be a majority.

I mean, if you can't succeed at winning, might as well pivot to trolling your own fanbase.
I would rather punt the year  
Carl in CT : 3/13/2019 2:17 pm : link
Please no extension. Just get a plan in place.
RE: i'm all for the Iowa TE as well  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14333091 GiantsFan84 said:
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but i think if you go for him, you unload engram. i think he's more valuable in a trade than for the giants. he played less than half the snaps last year in the games he played. if they can unload in exchange for a good pick and grab the Iowa TE who is a true two way TE i think that would optimal

The Eagles traded up in the 2nd round last year to draft Dallas Goedert despite having Zach Ertz at TE. TE's are a young QB's best friends and if the Giants intend to take one this year or next then I would be happy with adding a good two way TE to allow Engram to split out wide more frequently.
I am starting to think  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 2:29 pm : link
Nothing is coming today.
RE: I am starting to think  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14333171 Joey in VA said:
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Nothing is coming today.


jt would have some 'splainin to do
RE: I am starting to think  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14333171 Joey in VA said:
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Nothing is coming today.


Thats the thing with Elis extension... we didnt need to wait until 4 to get it done. Unless we were waiting for Gettleman to finish dinner first 😂
So we're a little over an hour out....  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 2:40 pm : link
throw us a bone, jt!
This was an exchange Pat Hanlon had with Judy Battista yesterday  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 2:42 pm : link
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The language from my husband, the @giants fan, makes me hope our daughter is not in the room right now.


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Tell him to call me tomorrow after 4...
RE: This was an exchange Pat Hanlon had with Judy Battista yesterday  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14333227 Britt in VA said:
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The language from my husband, the @giants fan, makes me hope our daughter is not in the room right now.





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pat hanlon


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Tell him to call me tomorrow after 4...



Already covered in the Pat Hanlon thread.
RE: This was an exchange Pat Hanlon had with Judy Battista yesterday  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14333227 Britt in VA said:
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Judy Battista

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The language from my husband, the @giants fan, makes me hope our daughter is not in the room right now.





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pat hanlon


@giantspathanlon
Following Following @giantspathanlon
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Tell him to call me tomorrow after 4...

I must admit I fucking dying for information today. Most I have ever been on this site. Equally excited and apprehensive. I just wish whatever they announce gives us some hope.
Where's that thread?  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 2:44 pm : link
?
RE: I would rather punt the year  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14333102 Carl in CT said:
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Please no extension. Just get a plan in place.


Amazing how Eli is becoming the villain now. Radio was a mess today, still is.
Britt...  
sr267 : 3/13/2019 2:48 pm : link
here you go
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Where's that thread?  
rnargi : 3/13/2019 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14333234 Britt in VA said:
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https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=580023
Could it be  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 3:05 pm : link
Eli told them if they traded OBJ he would take a pay cut. He seemed happier when OBJ wasn't playing. I'm reaching, bored and waiting for Pat.
Anybody else  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2019 3:09 pm : link
Think its gonna be nothing MAJOR? Lol. I really want it to be something worth all this hype, but Im not gonna get my hopes up. But we need some good news.
RE: Anybody else  
BigBlueJ : 3/13/2019 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14333356 bigfrank612 said:
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Think its gonna be nothing MAJOR? Lol. I really want it to be something worth all this hype, but Im not gonna get my hopes up. But we need some good news.


I believe for sure there will be movement. The breath and scope will be in the eye of the beholder.
Mannings  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 3:13 pm : link
Have made an offer to buy the franchise with Jeff Bezos.
RE: I am starting to think  
RinR : 3/13/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14333171 Joey in VA said:
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Nothing is coming today.


Well the Beckham trade did come out at 8:00 PM.

There's still plenty of time for BBI to have back-to-back meltdown days.
Here we go!!!!!  
LarmerTJR : 3/13/2019 3:59 pm : link
And...
Another domino we lost out on  
Pan-handler : 3/13/2019 4:00 pm : link
Ugh?
Back up plan is Veldheer?  
Pan-handler : 3/13/2019 4:01 pm : link
? just a guess
They just did these leaks to avoid Giants fans showing up  
NoGainDayne : 3/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
with torches and pitchforks at Mara's house and Gettleman's retirement home.
BBKL  
Dodge : 3/13/2019 4:09 pm : link
is a crisp 10 minutes late. Nice.
RE: BBKL  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14333639 Dodge said:
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is a crisp 10 minutes late. Nice.


trying to get situated for the big surprise....kidding...
Blick  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 4:17 pm : link
Will not fall for this again.
Me, waiting for fun...  
colin : 3/13/2019 4:18 pm : link
.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 4:29 pm : link
JT or JonC  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2019 4:31 pm : link
does the delay for BBKL have anything to do with the moves possibly happening today?
Here's where I'm at  
jtgiants : 3/13/2019 4:35 pm : link
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening
RE: Here's where I'm at  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


Trades of FA signings? Can you elaborate a tad?
...  
bigfrank612 : 3/13/2019 4:36 pm : link
or*
I know what is going on...  
NoGainDayne : 3/13/2019 4:37 pm : link
Eli holding out for "Aaron Rodgers" money. Sites Superbowl victories and acting ability.

Gettleman typing un fake computer is unable to come up with stats to argue with him.

They are at an uncomfortable stalemate involving Gettleman saying "I'll get rid of anyone" (Eli not listening instead reading emotionally supportive texts from Mara who is listening from the next room)
RE: Here's where I'm at  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


Translation:
Daryl Williams and somebody else signed elsewhere

RE: Here's where I'm at  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


Thanks for the information update. Eli in 2019 is a given then, but I wonder what other deals they have cooking.
RE: Here's where I'm at  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


Appreciate the update - I think most of us know at the end of the day, this stuff isn't an exact science and is usually very fluid.

Sounds like things are brewing .

I am having a horribly unproductive work week. Holy hell.
RE: Here's where I'm at  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/13/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
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The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


They're even bigger buffoons than I thought. Someone tell Mara to turn off WFAN in the office and put on his big boy pants.
RE: Here's where I'm at  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


Appreciate the update. I think people forget theres way too many moving parts in the league. How many things that are discussed in the front come true? Even though we're in the information age i'm sure theres a ton of "rumors" or "discussions" that never come to light. If you believe that the source is in the know.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 4:42 pm : link
Yeah, that line is pretty unsettling.

Not that I expect them to come out and say "we are punting the 2019 season" - but it sounds like they are going to actively really try and win this year - which is petrifying knowing that there really aren't a series of moves that can possibly get us there.

More likely, those moves just keep us kicking this can down the road like morons. Next thing you know, 10 years have gone by and we haven't seen a playoff game...

I really hope someone in that front office can muster up some sense here.
So today was a dud?  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 4:43 pm : link
Did slade hack jts account?
They might not be throwing in the towel  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 4:45 pm : link
I applaud them for saying that but they are a virtual lock for a top 3 pick this time next season, if not #1 overall. I dont care what DG does this offseason from this point forward, theyre not going to surpass Dallas or Philadelphia and are at worst equal with Washington right now.
RE: Here's where I'm at  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


Also, i read this as more than just a FA signing if we're "not throwing in the towel" for this year. I'd assume the deals in discussion are big, not a FA DB and EDGE
RE: .  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14333831 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Yeah, that line is pretty unsettling.

Not that I expect them to come out and say "we are punting the 2019 season" - but it sounds like they are going to actively really try and win this year - which is petrifying knowing that there really aren't a series of moves that can possibly get us there.

More likely, those moves just keep us kicking this can down the road like morons. Next thing you know, 10 years have gone by and we haven't seen a playoff game...

I really hope someone in that front office can muster up some sense here.


Stealth tank mode.
So, if they aren't throwing in the towel....  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 4:48 pm : link
it means they're simply incompetent.
RE: Here's where I'm at  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


JT, no problem. Shit happens and nothing ever comes off without a hitch. Can you answer yes or no, do you have any idea what the plan at WR is going forward?
RE: So, if they aren't throwing in the towel....  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14333859 Greg from LI said:
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it means they're simply incompetent.
You've been on fire the last two days. Welcome to the dark side.
Rebv8th  
jtgiants : 3/13/2019 4:52 pm : link
I haven't heard anything specific to wr
RE: So today was a dud?  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14333836 dep026 said:
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Did slade hack jts account?


Quite possible the the handshake deals they had with some FA's fell apart after the FA's saw that the Giants have become a national joke of a franchise. Dead serious about this.
The Big News out of East Rutherford  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 4:54 pm : link
is that Big Blue Kickoff Live, which was scheduled to start airing at 4PM today, is no longer airing. And no updates from Pat Hanlon, either.

Hrm.
jt, as usual  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2019 4:54 pm : link
a big thank you to you for everything you pass along and a thank you as well to all our "operatives."
RE: The Big News out of East Rutherford  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14333897 Dave in Hoboken said:
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is that Big Blue Kickoff Live, which was scheduled to start airing at 4PM today, is no longer airing. And no updates from Pat Hanlon, either.

Hrm.


Its on right now.
What a clownshow  
adambear : 3/13/2019 4:55 pm : link
of a franchise.

Trying to tie in "big moves" with trading away a HOF-caliber talent. What's the big move? Signing a decent DE? Trading a draft pick for a decent RT?

Great. Fucking great.
RE: The Big News out of East Rutherford  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14333897 Dave in Hoboken said:
Quote:
is that Big Blue Kickoff Live, which was scheduled to start airing at 4PM today, is no longer airing. And no updates from Pat Hanlon, either.

Hrm.


There scrambling because FA's are backing out of their verbal agreements with Giants after seeing what a shitshow this franchise has become.
well Gene, I can only go by what I see  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 4:56 pm : link
And right now this is a team that has been a loser for quite a while with no end in sight, so yeah, it appears our paths have converged.
RE: RE: The Big News out of East Rutherford  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14333911 Tesla said:
Quote:
In comment 14333897 Dave in Hoboken said:


Quote:


is that Big Blue Kickoff Live, which was scheduled to start airing at 4PM today, is no longer airing. And no updates from Pat Hanlon, either.

Hrm.



There scrambling because FA's are backing out of their verbal agreements with Giants after seeing what a shitshow this franchise has become.


Would not shock me in the least.
RE: Here's where I'm at  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14333798 jtgiants said:
Quote:
I was told we have multiple balls in the air. They expected at least 2 of them to work out today but these things are never an exact science until there officially handled. Well see. What I can say is what I posted earlier is true. The Giants aren't throwing in the towel on the season. Not happening


You misinterpreted. "Multiple balls in the air" means they know they're clowns that juggle.
If they trade up now  
adambear : 3/13/2019 4:59 pm : link
to #1, I'm going to cackle.
RE: What a clownshow  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14333908 adambear said:
Quote:
of a franchise.

Trying to tie in "big moves" with trading away a HOF-caliber talent. What's the big move? Signing a decent DE? Trading a draft pick for a decent RT?

Great. Fucking great.


What, you're not impressed with the Bethea signing?
Sorry to say  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 5:00 pm : link
But just maybe nobody wants to come here, and would rather take 1 yr "prove it" deals elsewhere... Does Hanlon & Giant brass think its "a privilege" to be an NYG?

We'll see...
RE: Sorry to say  
MojoEd : 3/13/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14333946 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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But just maybe nobody wants to come here, and would rather take 1 yr "prove it" deals elsewhere... Does Hanlon & Giant brass think its "a privilege" to be an NYG?

We'll see...

Cant blame them. Not easy to prove it on a dumpster fire of a team.
Wait til midnight...to say big wednesday!  
micky : 3/13/2019 5:07 pm : link
Lolololol
Jtgiants  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 5:08 pm : link
If I came across snarky I apologized. Was typing quick with two kids on me.

Thanks for your info as always.
Yeeeerp  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 5:11 pm : link
Its almost 5:30. Daves probably heading home soon.  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 5:30 pm : link
Gonna relax with some warm milk on his recliner and watch Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy before lights out at 8...
RE: Its almost 5:30. Daves probably heading home soon.  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2019 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14334070 The_Boss said:
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Gonna relax with some warm milk on his recliner and watch Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy before lights out at 8...


No just finishing dinner with the early bird special.
I'm not having fun  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 5:33 pm : link
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Today will be fun for Big Dave cause it's chicken parm hero night  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 5:34 pm : link
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RE: Today will be fun for Big Dave cause it's chicken parm hero night  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2019 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14334084 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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At the Golden Corral?
RE: RE: Today will be fun for Big Dave cause it's chicken parm hero night  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14334099 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 14334084 Ten Ton Hammer said:


Quote:


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At the Golden Corral?


The community senior citizens center
RE: I'm not having fun  
halfback20 : 3/13/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14334080 Heisenberg said:
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Yea... today was totally not fun.
RE: RE: RE: Today will be fun for Big Dave cause it's chicken parm hero night  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14334117 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14334099 GFAN52 said:


Quote:


In comment 14334084 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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At the Golden Corral?



The community senior citizens center


I don't know, Chicken Parm is kinda spicy. Maybe a couple nice prunes and some soup.
jtgiants  
NYG27 : 3/13/2019 5:51 pm : link
Would it be possible to share if the news that was expected today, was going to be from a trade or free agent signing?
RE: jtgiants  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14334183 NYG27 said:
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Would it be possible to share if the news that was expected today, was going to be from a trade or free agent signing?


Interested as well. I got the sense It was a trade for him to say were not throwing away the seaso ...the available free agents wouldnt change the current state of the giants
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