I don't think signing Williams at RT would make us implode. I think that would be a good signing no matter what our plan is. All pro caliber RT who is 26 years old. Get him in here on a 4 or 5 year deal.
I don't think signing Williams at RT would make us implode. I think that would be a good signing no matter what our plan is. All pro caliber RT who is 26 years old. Get him in here on a 4 or 5 year deal.
I think he meant an extension of some sort for Eli.
and convert his the majority of his salary to a bonus which allows them to spread his money out and lower his cap number. That way he loses no money and the Giants gain cap flexibility this year.. and can afford it going forward...
This is what I would expect..
Then I expect some of that money to go toward getting a RT and some other help..
which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
Them not spending wild money on sought after FA has been unpredictable because of what happened last year and in 2016. So that has been shocking to me.
which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
Them not spending wild money on sought after FA has been unpredictable because of what happened last year and in 2016. So that has been shocking to me.
There is still time for wild, unwise FA spending. Wait until 4pm!
RE: RE: Some of this stuff isn't hard to see comming..... Â
It really is that easy. The tea leaves the past couple years have been so easy to read. Crystal clear, nearly.
Surprised so many get it wrong.
I don't know if it's so much that people can't see it - it's more that a lot of us are trying not to believe it.
An extension for Eli would be a tough pill to swallow at this point.
But you're probably right that it's what they'll do.
For better or worse, they want him here when they take the next QB. Adding next year to his deal, spreading the money, reducing this year's cap hit and trying to structure it in a way that won't kill us if we want to cut bait after this year is about what I expect them to do at this point.
They'll take the cap space, pursue someone like Williams to play RT... and then once again, we're in a precarious position where we're making moves like we want to win games now, but simultaneously making others that make that much less likely.
To me, if you're going in this direction, you need Eli to go out the door with Beckham. Otherwise, what purpose does it really serve to have him on the roster?
It's not what I want - but it's what I think is probably coming next.
to me, I would ask a simple question. Why? If the cost to do so is to bring in Williams at RT, I'd ask the Giants to look somewhere else to find the money. Stop spending good money after bad. If the Giants aren't going to cut Eli to just start this whole thing completely over (and all indications are "the Kansas City Model" is the way they will go), either ask him to take a paycut (he won't) or just leave him and his contract alone and go into next year with an unfettered cap. This year is a complete rebuild for young players. The prime free agents have been plucked. What is the point to extending Eli? Unless....
The Giants really are going to load up the roster everywhere this year except for QB, squeeze yet another year out of Eli playing the role of Peyton in his final run with the Broncos where he's a shell of himself, but carried by the rest of the team. In this case, Eli would be carried by Saquon and a better OL. And the plan is to get that 2020 QB and delay the "KC Model" one more year to land a Fromm/Tua/Herbert.
I still standby my assertion. I don't really like any of the QBs in this draft. Push comes to shove, and if the Cardinals are taking Murray, trade those mid round picks for Rosen, and if you want him to sit behind Eli to break him in slow, fine. If he busts, you are back in the market again in 2020 anyway. But Rosen is as much a gamble as Haskins or Lock. I'd rather keep the high picks to fix the roster.
Now, if they do draft Haskins/Lock or trade for Rosen, and still extend Eli, I'll throw my hands in the friggin air because it will make no damn sense eat cap space next year for no reason.
3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?
nope. Fully guaranteed with part ownership as well.
You're being sarcastic. I am not. I believe DG and PS when they tell us that they believe Eli still has "years" left, and that they look at his good games as proof that he still has "it." I don't think they are joking about that.
And if they didn't love Darnold they sure as fuck aren't taking Haskins or any of the other QB's in this draft. Plus they've stated they want Eli to tutor a young QB.
So the most likely plan is to draw a QB in 2020, and keep Eli around until then to mentor him for at least a year (maybe more?). But if they don't get a QB in 2020 they'll need Eli around until at least 2021 then.
I'm not being sarcastic......Britt is correct that this is the most likely course of action.....just listen to what Gettleman, Shurmur and Mara have been telling us, it's all there right in front of us.
which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
Ahem... ;)
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Danny Kanell : 3/11/2019 1:05 pm : link : reply
I have absolutely no basis to back this up but I have a real gut feeling OBJ gets traded this week.
getting more money and a f-ckin extension than the last 16 ours will have been all for naught.
And it would lead me to believe that Mara said the only way he would allow Gettleman to trade OBJ is for Eli to stay on as QB, and with an extension. That would be an unreal cave-in by DG. And it would lead me to believe there is a huge fracture inside Jints Central that may be irreparable.
My God get a grip we have 12 picks in this draft
if we add Williams RT and someone mentioned Golden
we would have a pretty solid O-line for Barkley
and whomever ends up the starting QB .
If they cut Eli which is a possibility . Then its a
different story .I don't think they will make a play
for Rosen either .If they were in love with him he
would be on the team right now .
Murray isn't in the conversation to me Cards are likely
to take him . Haskins I like him as a player but certainly
not in love with him . They could very well take him at
#6 then keeping Eli one last season makes sense
which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
Ahem... ;)
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Danny Kanell : 3/11/2019 1:05 pm : link : reply
I have absolutely no basis to back this up but I have a real gut feeling OBJ gets traded this week.
My sincerest apologies, DK.
One person (to my knowledge) called this. Many wanted it, but that is not the same as "calling it" which DK did.
Mara thinks of Eli like a son. He's honestly like family to him, which is why he canned McAdoo on the spot - even after everyone saying the Giants would NEVER fire a coach mid-season, just was't their way.
When viewed through that prism, he will only get rid of him when he has absolutely no other choice.
But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later
But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later
This makes total sense. Can you tell us one thing: is Eli getting a 2 year extension or 3 years?
But you guys are getting this all wrong. The Giants DONT agree with the narrative that this team is in complete rebuild mode. Th e y LOVE peppers. They aren't looking at the rest of this off-season in the same vein as most here. Right wrong or indifferent. Buckle up kids. Those unhappy now.......maybe unhappy later
jt, I think you and I have been on the same page all year. Eager to see if that has carried over.
And they will announce a two year contract extension for Eli.
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
Entertainment at its highest!
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
Yikes.
Don't forget about glovedone or whatever his dup name is
if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
I don't think signing Williams at RT would make us implode. I think that would be a good signing no matter what our plan is. All pro caliber RT who is 26 years old. Get him in here on a 4 or 5 year deal.
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something new for Eli makes sense.
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
I don't think signing Williams at RT would make us implode. I think that would be a good signing no matter what our plan is. All pro caliber RT who is 26 years old. Get him in here on a 4 or 5 year deal.
I think he meant an extension of some sort for Eli.
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
And rightfully so.
That would be very good news !
if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!
Well if you're done sharing then I just want to thank you for all the information that you shared with us.
The obsession with the “Collins Como pick” is reaching Saints second rounder in the Shockley deal level absurdity
Comp pick for next year would be nice. I think Giants have bigger issues right now.
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
Please don’t mean extension.
3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?
Though, if we're being fair, you also told us that 2018 would be "Eli's Revenge Tour."
BBI is going to implode if that's the case.
Oh Christ.
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3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?
nope. Fully guaranteed with part ownership as well.
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Though, if we're being fair, you also told us that 2018 would be "Eli's Revenge Tour."
It was kind of - if the revenge he was seeking was on the Giants for benching him.
Maybe when Eli gets his extension it was just delayed a year or so.
Speech!!! Speech!!!
If it's an Eli extension, it's going to take a lot of self control for me not to scream and fly off the handle.
I'm willing to give them some room to prove that this OBJ trade has them thinking and moving in the right direction.
Extending Eli would be the direct opposite of that.
This is what I would expect..
Then I expect some of that money to go toward getting a RT and some other help..
if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!
Dog,
You made BBI insane for a while. Thanks for all the info in the past. Please share if you hear anything. Thanks.
It really is that easy. The tea leaves the past couple years have been so easy to read. Crystal clear, nearly.
Surprised so many get it wrong.
if that changes- ill obviously post here. but dont have the time anymore
I'd call it a solid run- and will defer to the next generation!
I selfishly urge you to reconsider.
But seriously, thanks for all you have shared.
Them not spending wild money on sought after FA has been unpredictable because of what happened last year and in 2016. So that has been shocking to me.
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which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
Them not spending wild money on sought after FA has been unpredictable because of what happened last year and in 2016. So that has been shocking to me.
There is still time for wild, unwise FA spending. Wait until 4pm!
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you just have to open your eyes to it.
It really is that easy. The tea leaves the past couple years have been so easy to read. Crystal clear, nearly.
Surprised so many get it wrong.
I don't know if it's so much that people can't see it - it's more that a lot of us are trying not to believe it.
An extension for Eli would be a tough pill to swallow at this point.
But you're probably right that it's what they'll do.
For better or worse, they want him here when they take the next QB. Adding next year to his deal, spreading the money, reducing this year's cap hit and trying to structure it in a way that won't kill us if we want to cut bait after this year is about what I expect them to do at this point.
They'll take the cap space, pursue someone like Williams to play RT... and then once again, we're in a precarious position where we're making moves like we want to win games now, but simultaneously making others that make that much less likely.
To me, if you're going in this direction, you need Eli to go out the door with Beckham. Otherwise, what purpose does it really serve to have him on the roster?
It's not what I want - but it's what I think is probably coming next.
A new contract???
A new weapon?
The Giants really are going to load up the roster everywhere this year except for QB, squeeze yet another year out of Eli playing the role of Peyton in his final run with the Broncos where he's a shell of himself, but carried by the rest of the team. In this case, Eli would be carried by Saquon and a better OL. And the plan is to get that 2020 QB and delay the "KC Model" one more year to land a Fromm/Tua/Herbert.
I still standby my assertion. I don't really like any of the QBs in this draft. Push comes to shove, and if the Cardinals are taking Murray, trade those mid round picks for Rosen, and if you want him to sit behind Eli to break him in slow, fine. If he busts, you are back in the market again in 2020 anyway. But Rosen is as much a gamble as Haskins or Lock. I'd rather keep the high picks to fix the roster.
Now, if they do draft Haskins/Lock or trade for Rosen, and still extend Eli, I'll throw my hands in the friggin air because it will make no damn sense eat cap space next year for no reason.
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3 year extension, $75 million, with around $50M guaranteed sound about right? With an out after the 2021 season with minimal cap hit?
nope. Fully guaranteed with part ownership as well.
You're being sarcastic. I am not. I believe DG and PS when they tell us that they believe Eli still has "years" left, and that they look at his good games as proof that he still has "it." I don't think they are joking about that.
And if they didn't love Darnold they sure as fuck aren't taking Haskins or any of the other QB's in this draft. Plus they've stated they want Eli to tutor a young QB.
So the most likely plan is to draw a QB in 2020, and keep Eli around until then to mentor him for at least a year (maybe more?). But if they don't get a QB in 2020 they'll need Eli around until at least 2021 then.
I'm not being sarcastic......Britt is correct that this is the most likely course of action.....just listen to what Gettleman, Shurmur and Mara have been telling us, it's all there right in front of us.
Ahem... ;)
Danny Kanell : 3/11/2019 1:05 pm : link : reply
I have absolutely no basis to back this up but I have a real gut feeling OBJ gets traded this week.
And it would lead me to believe that Mara said the only way he would allow Gettleman to trade OBJ is for Eli to stay on as QB, and with an extension. That would be an unreal cave-in by DG. And it would lead me to believe there is a huge fracture inside Jints Central that may be irreparable.
if we add Williams RT and someone mentioned Golden
we would have a pretty solid O-line for Barkley
and whomever ends up the starting QB .
If they cut Eli which is a possibility . Then its a
different story .I don't think they will make a play
for Rosen either .If they were in love with him he
would be on the team right now .
Murray isn't in the conversation to me Cards are likely
to take him . Haskins I like him as a player but certainly
not in love with him . They could very well take him at
#6 then keeping Eli one last season makes sense
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which nobody on this site called, I don't know that anything they have done has been anything other than generally what was predicted. That's the entire problem. This team is utterly predictable.
Ahem... ;)
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Danny Kanell : 3/11/2019 1:05 pm : link : reply
I have absolutely no basis to back this up but I have a real gut feeling OBJ gets traded this week.
My sincerest apologies, DK.
One person (to my knowledge) called this. Many wanted it, but that is not the same as "calling it" which DK did.
When viewed through that prism, he will only get rid of him when he has absolutely no other choice.
This makes total sense. Can you tell us one thing: is Eli getting a 2 year extension or 3 years?
jt, I think you and I have been on the same page all year. Eager to see if that has carried over.