Not just for his record and stats, but he'll ultimately end up a villain to a legion of Giants fans, who will misplace frustration that should be aimed at management.
RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be. Â
I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be. Â
I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
Agreed.
RE: If they do keep Eli around two more seasons, it'll be a shame Â
Not just for his record and stats, but he'll ultimately end up a villain to a legion of Giants fans, who will misplace frustration that should be aimed at management.
I don't think so. There is enough cushion built up from the notion that Eli's best years were thwarted by the Reese Era.
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be. Â
I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
Indoubtably! Well said
RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be. Â
I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
here just want to hitch on to an idea of the plan on where the franchise is heading. Are the Giants rebuilding or trying to go for it.
Right, wrong or indifferent, the move last night and the speculation of extending Eli so they can now spend in free agency are contractions of one another.
Me personally, that is why I am frustrated. Have a plan, be honest with your fans and stick to it. That is why as a Rangers fan, them making that statement last year was the right thing to do.
think this is still some sort of pro-Eli or anti-Eli referendum. It isn't, but they don't understand that because they don't want to.
It is the idea that this team can't seem to figure out whether it is rebuilding or making a run. I think most on here find the second possibility preposterous.
It is darkly entertaining to see the management continue to pull the "no, THIS time we'll finally build another contender around Eli" strategy that they've been doing since 2013.
like Clowney or something too. Sounds like it'll be splashy based on jt and Hanlon and none of the available free agents outside of Thomas really move the needle.
here just want to hitch on to an idea of the plan on where the franchise is heading. Are the Giants rebuilding or trying to go for it.
Right, wrong or indifferent, the move last night and the speculation of extending Eli so they can now spend in free agency are contractions of one another.
Me personally, that is why I am frustrated. Have a plan, be honest with your fans and stick to it. That is why as a Rangers fan, them making that statement last year was the right thing to do.
Yep. I appreciated the way NYR handled that. They were upfront with the fans. They know we hated watching all of the guys who made the great runs we had happen go (mostly) south to Tampa (and a few other scattered places) and knew it was going to be tough to see the team sink all the way down near the bottom like this... but ultimately, they realized that the window had closed and it was time to build a new foundation.
Now, we still have Hank looming... sort of similar to Eli in a lot of ways. I suspect moving on from him may be about as much of a challenge as this is... but at least in the case of the Rangers, we've got a nice little prospect over in the KHL who has been outstanding and some reason for post-Hank hope.
(Sorry, that's a lot of NHL for a football thread - but you get my point)
There's just too much teetering here. I was hoping yesterday meant we were just going to tear this entire band aid off in one swoop... but it seems like we still want to handle the Eli part hair by painful hair. :/
RE: RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be. Â
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
Indoubtably! Well said
Hmmmm. So you actually agree with this...interesting.
Not just for his record and stats, but he'll ultimately end up a villain to a legion of Giants fans, who will misplace frustration that should be aimed at management.
Strong Agree. Eli has been the best QB the Giants have ever had. But an extension is just so unlikely to end well and as he hangs on in sub 500 seasons he will be seen as the problem, instead of where he should be seen. Aside from his own play, he's been poorly served by the front office. It's unlikely for that to turn around in time for him to have "one more good run".
I won't blame him a bit for taking Mara's money if he wants to, though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You can literally rattle off who the biggest complainers will be. Â
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
Indoubtably! Well said
Hmmmm. So you actually agree with this...interesting.
To be fair, Fatman hasn't been as pro-Eli as you would think this offseason. He's said a couple of times that if they could find a way to replace his production at a cheaper cost, they should, and that an extension would just be kicking the can down the road.
I like that DG is going for it and making big moves. The position is not too big for him and he doesn't play it safe or scared. That said, it's on him. This needs to work. I want a new QB but want to win more than have my say who is behind center. Just win bebe.
Pro-Eli for a long time in that I have been on record saying he should be replaced. I was critical of McAdoo for not getting webb reps and Shurmur for not getting Lauletta reps, as well as wanting a QB in last year's draft .
I argue more about the idiots who concoct ridiculous scenarios on how the giants are indebted to Eli and will do anything in their power to get him another Super Bowl.
the more difficult the argument is that Eli belongs in the hall of fame. Add one or two more 5-11 seasons to his record and he is a QB that is below .500 winning percentage across a long career with one team. He will also have losing records for 7 out of 8 or 8 out of 9 years to close his career.
What is the argument you make for that guy? "Well you have to keep in mind he played for the Giants, and nobody could have won there for the past decade."
It is possible to love Eli and pray like hell the Giants move on from him.
Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK
This is it right here. 38 is the magic number. Brady and Moon overcame it. Favre had a weird run: played terrible at 39, magnificent at 40, then terrible again at 41.
Brees played well at 39 but declined considerably over the course of the season.
There are no other examples of QBs playing well past this point.
I argue more about the idiots who concoct ridiculous scenarios on how the giants are indebted to Eli and will do anything in their power to get him another Super Bowl.
So when they come out today and say they think they can win and compete with Eli, and feel great about their moves, the upcoming draft, etc, etc - and they are going to say this - you will once again do the Fat-Mara two-step and begin another torturous off-season of defending your heroes at Jints Central.
Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK
This is it right here. 38 is the magic number. Brady and Moon overcame it. Favre had a weird run: played terrible at 39, magnificent at 40, then terrible again at 41.
Brees played well at 39 but declined considerably over the course of the season.
There are no other examples of QBs playing well past this point.
John Elway won a Superbowl at 38.
Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.
Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
Phil Simms took the Giants to 11-5 and made the playoffs at 38. Â
Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.
Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
Yes, Elway and Warner did at age 38. Age 39 is where the fallout typically happens. That was my point.
Peyton won his superbowl at age 39, and he was...not very good!
JTGiants shot down Rosen but not the Eli speculation here. And if he’s saying this idiotic front office thinks the Giants can win now and that people here will be unhappy, you can pretty much guess they’ll be extending Eli at 4. DSG is a failure if epic proportions, and I really don’t know any other way to put it. If you thought it was going to take time to undo Reese’s damage, just wait until we have to repair the pillage DSG has brought upon us.
You people who are happy should be ashamed of yourselves. If this front office thinks the Giants can compete they should all be fired on the spot immediately. I really don’t know how else to put it.
I know it's unlikely but please be Russell Wilson Â
He's under contract through next year and the Giants will have a huge amount of cap space then. It would give Seattle $17M in cap space this year.
I'd give up the 6th pick for him in a NY minute. I'd throw in some of those 5th rounders as well. Seattle does pretty well in the draft even in the lower rounds.
I know I'm dreaming but I'd be all for getting Wilson.
his four neck surgeries and losing ALL strength in his throwing arm for a year not knowing whether it would ever come back probably had a LOT more to do with him being cooked than his age did.
Those are great examples, however, the key with all of those teams actually had talent.
The Giants are far from a finished product for the 2019 season right now, but you are kidding yourself if you think surrounding this 38 QB with this roster is even close to being the same.
Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.
Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
And all of them were better quarterbacks than Eli Manning when they were younger. What's your point?
I'll probably take the rest of the week off from BBI when the bomb drops.
+1
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
The complaining is well deserved. Keep waiting for it to shake out though.
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
The complaining is well deserved. Keep waiting for it to shake out though.
Looks like I already hit a nerve.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
Agreed.
I don't think so. There is enough cushion built up from the notion that Eli's best years were thwarted by the Reese Era.
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
Indoubtably! Well said
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I won't be happy about it either but some people are just relentless.
I'm still reserving judgement until after the offseason when everything shakes out.
I find it more annoying than productive to throw hissy fits here even when I really don't like what's going on - so, I try not to be that guy.
I won't be happy if we undo what I thought were really positive moves w what we got from CLE (Zeitler, Peppers, 1st, 3rd) by doing the ol' "let's go for it again!" dance with Eli.
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
I will still let the draft and everything shake out and see what the roster looks like by summer time - but, these rumblings aren't what I was hoping to hear today.
Well said....
Ugh. What a rebuilding plan. Eli will play into his 40's I expect.
Right, wrong or indifferent, the move last night and the speculation of extending Eli so they can now spend in free agency are contractions of one another.
Me personally, that is why I am frustrated. Have a plan, be honest with your fans and stick to it. That is why as a Rangers fan, them making that statement last year was the right thing to do.
It is the idea that this team can't seem to figure out whether it is rebuilding or making a run. I think most on here find the second possibility preposterous.
Right, wrong or indifferent, the move last night and the speculation of extending Eli so they can now spend in free agency are contractions of one another.
Me personally, that is why I am frustrated. Have a plan, be honest with your fans and stick to it. That is why as a Rangers fan, them making that statement last year was the right thing to do.
Yep. I appreciated the way NYR handled that. They were upfront with the fans. They know we hated watching all of the guys who made the great runs we had happen go (mostly) south to Tampa (and a few other scattered places) and knew it was going to be tough to see the team sink all the way down near the bottom like this... but ultimately, they realized that the window had closed and it was time to build a new foundation.
Now, we still have Hank looming... sort of similar to Eli in a lot of ways. I suspect moving on from him may be about as much of a challenge as this is... but at least in the case of the Rangers, we've got a nice little prospect over in the KHL who has been outstanding and some reason for post-Hank hope.
(Sorry, that's a lot of NHL for a football thread - but you get my point)
There's just too much teetering here. I was hoping yesterday meant we were just going to tear this entire band aid off in one swoop... but it seems like we still want to handle the Eli part hair by painful hair. :/
It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
Indoubtably! Well said
Hmmmm. So you actually agree with this...interesting.
Stop w the Rosen nonsense. Not Happening
Strong Agree. Eli has been the best QB the Giants have ever had. But an extension is just so unlikely to end well and as he hangs on in sub 500 seasons he will be seen as the problem, instead of where he should be seen. Aside from his own play, he's been poorly served by the front office. It's unlikely for that to turn around in time for him to have "one more good run".
I won't blame him a bit for taking Mara's money if he wants to, though.
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It's not Eli's fault. I'm not upset with him. I just wish they'd move on already. It's hurting my heart to watch the guy take all this shit because they can't just let go of him and are so worried about how the fans will react. That's not a way to run things.
Indoubtably! Well said
Hmmmm. So you actually agree with this...interesting.
To be fair, Fatman hasn't been as pro-Eli as you would think this offseason. He's said a couple of times that if they could find a way to replace his production at a cheaper cost, they should, and that an extension would just be kicking the can down the road.
Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK
I argue more about the idiots who concoct ridiculous scenarios on how the giants are indebted to Eli and will do anything in their power to get him another Super Bowl.
What is the argument you make for that guy? "Well you have to keep in mind he played for the Giants, and nobody could have won there for the past decade."
It is possible to love Eli and pray like hell the Giants move on from him.
Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK
This is it right here. 38 is the magic number. Brady and Moon overcame it. Favre had a weird run: played terrible at 39, magnificent at 40, then terrible again at 41.
Brees played well at 39 but declined considerably over the course of the season.
There are no other examples of QBs playing well past this point.
I argue more about the idiots who concoct ridiculous scenarios on how the giants are indebted to Eli and will do anything in their power to get him another Super Bowl.
So when they come out today and say they think they can win and compete with Eli, and feel great about their moves, the upcoming draft, etc, etc - and they are going to say this - you will once again do the Fat-Mara two-step and begin another torturous off-season of defending your heroes at Jints Central.
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Marino, Payton, Simms, Warner, Bradshaw et al...
Father Time waits for nobody... Sentiment doesnt win football games or build a future... FUCK
This is it right here. 38 is the magic number. Brady and Moon overcame it. Favre had a weird run: played terrible at 39, magnificent at 40, then terrible again at 41.
Brees played well at 39 but declined considerably over the course of the season.
There are no other examples of QBs playing well past this point.
John Elway won a Superbowl at 38.
Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.
Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
Just that it's not the unicorn it's being made out to be.
And had a team around him.
He also made it with them at 38, and was not cooked.
Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.
Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
Yes, Elway and Warner did at age 38. Age 39 is where the fallout typically happens. That was my point.
Peyton won his superbowl at age 39, and he was...not very good!
You people who are happy should be ashamed of yourselves. If this front office thinks the Giants can compete they should all be fired on the spot immediately. I really don’t know how else to put it.
I'd give up the 6th pick for him in a NY minute. I'd throw in some of those 5th rounders as well. Seattle does pretty well in the draft even in the lower rounds.
I know I'm dreaming but I'd be all for getting Wilson.
LOL. Me at work. I'm useless today.
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Peyton was clearly a passenger along for the ride when he won the Superbowl in Denver. He was completely cooked.
He also made it with them at 38, and was not cooked.
His team was knocked out in the 2nd round by the Colts and he didn't look very good in that game.
Try not to jump off bridges just yet about an Eli extension, so far that’s purely BBI conjecture about what he means by fun day
The Giants are far from a finished product for the 2019 season right now, but you are kidding yourself if you think surrounding this 38 QB with this roster is even close to being the same.
John Elway won a Superbowl at 38.
Kurt Warner made a Superbowl and almost won it at 38.
Peyton Manning made two Superbowls after 38 and won one at 40, and that was including after coming of what could have been a career ending 4 neck surgeries in two years.
And all of them were better quarterbacks than Eli Manning when they were younger. What's your point?