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Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 9:46 am
From someone on another Giants Board:

"My wife works for a news station in NY and she just heard from the higher ups that the giants are planning to release Eli next week. Let's see what happens"

I personally dont see this happening, but there u go.
it is the best thing they can do  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 9:47 am : link
you don't rebuild with a 38 year old QB.
Why wait  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/13/2019 9:47 am : link
until next week and have to pay him an extra $5M
If so, why  
TommyWiseau : 3/13/2019 9:48 am : link
fuck the guy and not release him before FA began? Maybe Jacksonville would have signed him rather then Foles.
Eli has to be released before  
section125 : 3/13/2019 9:48 am : link
the 17th or they lose $5 roster bonus money.
His bonus kicks in Sunday  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/13/2019 9:48 am : link
They have to release him this week. Fake news IMO.
this is froma poster at BBWC  
I Love Clams Casino : 3/13/2019 9:48 am : link
who's been described as being accurate in the past...for whatever that's worth
WOW!  
joeinpa : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
Unlike many here who dismiss any rumor they don’t like. Just like Beckham, there was a lot of noise and it happened.

Let s see if this story gets legs between now and then.
Release him  
Capt. Don : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
go get Rosen for a 2.
Sign Williams and Pierre Desir.
I hope  
PaulN : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
That is true, but I doubt it.
That tanking would make the Knicks jealous  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
...
Could be  
dep026 : 3/13/2019 9:49 am : link
"later in the week".
I don't see why they would keep him now  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 9:50 am : link
The team is a broken down Chevy up on blocks. We don't need to pay someone $23M a year to drive it.
IMO they will cut him very soon  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 9:50 am : link
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RE: IMO they will cut him very soon  
Danny Kanell : 3/13/2019 9:51 am : link
In comment 14331480 Jints in Carolina said:
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Agreed. I'll be mildly surprised if it isn't today.
i disagree it's the best thing you can do...  
BillKo : 3/13/2019 9:51 am : link
...who is QB'ing the team?

Last thing I want is some scrub running the offense.

Being a fan, trading OBJ took away a major reason for watching the team, although I understand the move.

Cutting Eli to simply tank would really be tough - as a fan - to take.

Majority of this community thinks Eli is shot and the Giants will probably blow this season anway......what are we really going to do with his extra salary savings? What really is out there?

I'd only cut Eli if they are taking a QB in Round 1, or acquiring Josh Rosen.
After the Beckham trade anything is possible  
Dinger : 3/13/2019 9:52 am : link
IF they were to keep him, HE HAS to restructure, otherwise F him. And i'm a huge Eli fan.
The  
AcidTest : 3/13/2019 9:52 am : link
person reporting may not be aware that the Giants have to release Eli before Sunday to avoid paying his $5M roster bonus. But that doesn't mean they won't release him. It certainly makes the most sense. I nonetheless don't think they will, but I also never thought they'd trade Beckham.
Tyrod Taylor  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 9:53 am : link
Come on down!
it would have to be before March 17  
ryanmkeane : 3/13/2019 9:54 am : link
so...the next week thing doesn't really add up
But  
AcidTest : 3/13/2019 9:54 am : link
if they release him, what happened to following the "KC model?"
RE: But  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14331502 AcidTest said:
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if they release him, what happened to following the "KC model?"


Well DG says stuff... "We didnt sign him to trade him"
RE: But  
Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14331502 AcidTest said:
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if they release him, what happened to following the "KC model?"


$23M is a lot to pay a tutor.
jtgiants saying Eli isn’t getting released  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 9:56 am : link
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RE: But  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/13/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14331502 AcidTest said:
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if they release him, what happened to following the "KC model?"


That only applies to this year's guys since none of them are ready to start right away. Next year's guys will be... in theory.
I'm on board.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 9:58 am : link
Lets get it over with and move on.
Don't see how you could go with Tanney or Laudetta  
BillT : 3/13/2019 9:58 am : link
That's nuts.
RE: i disagree it's the best thing you can do...  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14331483 BillKo said:
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...who is QB'ing the team?

Last thing I want is some scrub running the offense.

Being a fan, trading OBJ took away a major reason for watching the team, although I understand the move.

Cutting Eli to simply tank would really be tough - as a fan - to take.

Majority of this community thinks Eli is shot and the Giants will probably blow this season anway......what are we really going to do with his extra salary savings? What really is out there?

I'd only cut Eli if they are taking a QB in Round 1, or acquiring Josh Rosen.


You are not paying a 38 year old QB 23 million dollars so drive this shitty car.
RE: Don't see how you could go with Tanney or Laudetta  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14331532 BillT said:
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That's nuts.


Why the fuck not? We need to keep Eli so we win 5 games next year instead of 2? Just enough to ensure we don't got Tua or Fromm?
There is no reason to bring him back  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
for a tear down.
RE: If so, why  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14331457 TommyWiseau said:
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fuck the guy and not release him before FA began? Maybe Jacksonville would have signed him rather then Foles.


Lol, they weren’t signing Eli over Foles.
Roster Bonus  
BocaGiants91 : 3/13/2019 10:01 am : link
If they were going to release him, by what day do they have to do it avoid paying the $5 Million roster bonus? is it Friday 15th by 4pm or Saturday 16th by 4pm?

This rumor of next week by the OP is fake news, if they are doing it, it is by one of those 2 days, not next week.
RE: I'm on board.  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14331530 Brown Recluse said:
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Lets get it over with and move on.


Agreed - We are in full rebuild - Just do it already.
RE: Roster Bonus  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14331554 BocaGiants91 said:
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If they were going to release him, by what day do they have to do it avoid paying the $5 Million roster bonus? is it Friday 15th by 4pm or Saturday 16th by 4pm?

This rumor of next week by the OP is fake news, if they are doing it, it is by one of those 2 days, not next week.


The "Next Week" could just be a technicality error... The meat is that the Giants will be releasing Eli.
If the Giants are really in rebuild  
AnnapolisMike : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
Release him now. There is little reason to wait.
I trust jtgiants when he said that they aren't releasing him  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 10:06 am : link
If the plan is to target Fromm next year the Giants would be wise to release Eli and fully commit to the tank.
RE: RE: Don't see how you could go with Tanney or Laudetta  
BillT : 3/13/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14331542 Tesla said:
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That's nuts.



Why the fuck not? We need to keep Eli so we win 5 games next year instead of 2? Just enough to ensure we don't got Tua or Fromm?

Those guys aren't NFL QBs. I don't mean they aren't Franchise QBs. They are mediocre even as backups.
RE: jtgiants saying Eli isn’t getting released  
Pan-handler : 3/13/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14331518 The_Boss said:
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Dont see it when DG and PS both said they want to bring a young guy to learn under Eli. Giants usually dont go back on what they say (unless something happens where the player does something to change their mind like Odell).
Regardless  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2019 10:12 am : link
thanks for passing it along Jim. Much appreciated.
RE: RE: RE: Don't see how you could go with Tanney or Laudetta  
Tesla : 3/13/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14331597 BillT said:
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In comment 14331542 Tesla said:


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In comment 14331532 BillT said:


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That's nuts.



Why the fuck not? We need to keep Eli so we win 5 games next year instead of 2? Just enough to ensure we don't got Tua or Fromm?


Those guys aren't NFL QBs. I don't mean they aren't Franchise QBs. They are mediocre even as backups.


But we are not trying to win this year so why does it matter if we have a competent QB or not? Willing 2 games and getting Tua would be a HELL lot better than winning 5 games and missing out on him.
I understand that the Russell Wilson rumors (or whatever they are)  
smshmth8690 : 3/13/2019 10:18 am : link
are probably untrue, but there is no 'KC model' needed in that scenario.
Could the Russell  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2019 10:19 am : link
Wilson to the Giants trade rumor be something that has legs? I mean if we did do that we can sit on the drafting a QB for 1 and possibly 2 years.

Not saying I believe it but, today's NFL is far different than years past. Trades happen a LOT. If the Giants gave up 6 and their 3rd pick for Wilson (probably a conditional pick next year) then we could be on to something..
RE: i disagree it's the best thing you can do...  
Boy Cord : 3/13/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14331483 BillKo said:
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...who is QB'ing the team?

Last thing I want is some scrub running the offense.

Being a fan, trading OBJ took away a major reason for watching the team, although I understand the move.

Cutting Eli to simply tank would really be tough - as a fan - to take.

Majority of this community thinks Eli is shot and the Giants will probably blow this season anway......what are we really going to do with his extra salary savings? What really is out there?

I'd only cut Eli if they are taking a QB in Round 1, or acquiring Josh Rosen.


How much more will the Giants get with $23 million Eli compared to say a $10 million vet? Hell, they could have had Keenum for $3.5 million and Shurmur knows him as well as anyone. That is a massive cap savings and it doesn’t preclude the Giants from drafting a QB early. That should have been the move if cutting Eli.

At this stage, I’m all for Barkley taking this year off. He is going to take a pounding for absolutely nothing. Seriously, the Giants has better be damn careful about running their centerpiece into the ground.

doubt it  
bluepepper : 3/13/2019 10:22 am : link
ownership wants Eli to go out on good terms. Ceremoniously cutting him even as part of an overall house cleaning would leave bad feelings.
RE: RE: i disagree it's the best thing you can do...  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14331670 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14331483 BillKo said:


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...who is QB'ing the team?

Last thing I want is some scrub running the offense.

Being a fan, trading OBJ took away a major reason for watching the team, although I understand the move.

Cutting Eli to simply tank would really be tough - as a fan - to take.

Majority of this community thinks Eli is shot and the Giants will probably blow this season anway......what are we really going to do with his extra salary savings? What really is out there?

I'd only cut Eli if they are taking a QB in Round 1, or acquiring Josh Rosen.



How much more will the Giants get with $23 million Eli compared to say a $10 million vet? Hell, they could have had Keenum for $3.5 million and Shurmur knows him as well as anyone. That is a massive cap savings and it doesn’t preclude the Giants from drafting a QB early. That should have been the move if cutting Eli.

At this stage, I’m all for Barkley taking this year off. He is going to take a pounding for absolutely nothing. Seriously, the Giants has better be damn careful about running their centerpiece into the ground.


Seriously??? We are building an oline and you are afraid for Barkley? Ummm, he is safer now than before. Please can we bring the drama down a tad? The Giants will not stand pat with what they have at WR and they could possibly have some deal for a QB in place already..
I'll bet conversations of some sort have happened with his agent.  
Blue21 : 3/13/2019 10:31 am : link
Nothing has happened and I'm sure by now his agent has been asking. Nothing would surprise me at this point. They may be renegotiating his last year $. But honestly I wouldn't be surprised by anything.
I'm all for it  
Carson53 : 3/13/2019 10:35 am : link
If you are cleaning house, then do it!
After the OBJ trade, I am betting we have Rosen lined up  
PatersonPlank : 3/13/2019 10:36 am : link
probably for the #17 pick we just got or maybe our 2nd and the 3rd we just got.
RE: After the OBJ trade, I am betting we have Rosen lined up  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14331739 PatersonPlank said:
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probably for the #17 pick we just got or maybe our 2nd and the 3rd we just got.


The second should be enough. Arizona has to trade him.
Whether you want Rosen or not. Heres a question  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 10:44 am : link
Lets say the giants get Rosen for a 2nd rounder.

Would it have been worth it to try out the offense with Rosen/Saquon/Odell/Shep/Engram?

Still on the defensive side of the ball we're behind and we probably still aren't a contender. But would it have been worth a shot? That offense sounds exciting...on paper.
RE: Whether you want Rosen or not. Heres a question  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14331779 The Dude said:
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Lets say the giants get Rosen for a 2nd rounder.

Would it have been worth it to try out the offense with Rosen/Saquon/Odell/Shep/Engram?

Still on the defensive side of the ball we're behind and we probably still aren't a contender. But would it have been worth a shot? That offense sounds exciting...on paper.

If the Giants did get Rosen for that pick they could use the 6th pick on Montz Sweat. Then with the 17th pick they could use it on either DK Metcalf, Cody Ford, Andre Dillard, etc. If Rosen was added they would also need to add a veteran WR with Tate and Tyrell Williams being my top two targets.
RE: RE: Whether you want Rosen or not. Heres a question  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 11:02 am : link
In comment 14331843 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14331779 The Dude said:


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Lets say the giants get Rosen for a 2nd rounder.

Would it have been worth it to try out the offense with Rosen/Saquon/Odell/Shep/Engram?

Still on the defensive side of the ball we're behind and we probably still aren't a contender. But would it have been worth a shot? That offense sounds exciting...on paper.


If the Giants did get Rosen for that pick they could use the 6th pick on Montz Sweat. Then with the 17th pick they could use it on either DK Metcalf, Cody Ford, Andre Dillard, etc. If Rosen was added they would also need to add a veteran WR with Tate and Tyrell Williams being my top two targets.


I get that. my question is, would it have been worth it to keep Odell with Rosen? Obviously holding constant that the giants get rosen for the 37th pick.
RE: RE: RE: Whether you want Rosen or not. Heres a question  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14331954 The Dude said:
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In comment 14331843 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 14331779 The Dude said:


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Lets say the giants get Rosen for a 2nd rounder.

Would it have been worth it to try out the offense with Rosen/Saquon/Odell/Shep/Engram?

Still on the defensive side of the ball we're behind and we probably still aren't a contender. But would it have been worth a shot? That offense sounds exciting...on paper.


If the Giants did get Rosen for that pick they could use the 6th pick on Montz Sweat. Then with the 17th pick they could use it on either DK Metcalf, Cody Ford, Andre Dillard, etc. If Rosen was added they would also need to add a veteran WR with Tate and Tyrell Williams being my top two targets.



I get that. my question is, would it have been worth it to keep Odell with Rosen? Obviously holding constant that the giants get rosen for the 37th pick.

IMO yes but only if he wanted to be here.
I understand the "KC method" & keeping Eli around to mentor  
TheMick7 : 3/13/2019 11:08 am : link
a young QB but not at this price.I love Eli but he's never made any move to give back money to improve the team.He's taken every dollar-which is his right. But,it's also the Giants right to cut him.If we could cut Phil Simms,we can cut Eli!
RE: After the OBJ trade, I am betting we have Rosen lined up  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/13/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14331739 PatersonPlank said:
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probably for the #17 pick we just got or maybe our 2nd and the 3rd we just got.


Seriously? You think they (the FO) has some kind of master plan lined up like Bobby Fischer's Queen sacrifice that earned him the US Chess title at age 14?

Bwahahauaha.
Stop with the Rosen crap!  
Giant John : 3/13/2019 11:53 am : link
Hasn’t this week been painful enough?
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