Guys he has moved on from all seemed to have the 'I' gene instead of team.
Beckham due to his insane talent level was given more rope, hoping to see him mature. A couple asshats even talked about it.
It never happened and they finally gave up on him maturing especially after how he reacted after receiving the big contract.
This trade is not a surprise when you pay close attention to DGs M.O. both here and Carolina.
Look for stronger character guys to be brought in here that also are good football players.
Agreed with the threadstart, that is.
Exactly. Dumpster fire.
Yep, I WANT CHANGE, BUT ONLY WANT IT MY WAY!
It's amazing how that seems to have escaped so many people. Instead, we're stuck on 'culture' posts - as if the entire roster was just riddled with bad apples.
The Giants thought they had a cancer they were trying to address, but they misdiagnosed it. It wasn't the roster, it was the FO.
People can want a change that doesn't include giving away the greatest WR in franchise history at age 26...
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the same responses are so tiresome.
Yep, I WANT CHANGE, BUT ONLY WANT IT MY WAY!
would you say the formula worked in Carolina?
We're going to pass on the most talented players because they don't fit into some bullshit idea of what old, white guys think players should act like?
If you're a manager, you're job is to manage personnel. If you can't do that, maybe it's time to seek other employment.
People want change that is competent and well thought out, I would love to hear the case for that under these circumstances. DG has totally mismanaged the roster he got and resources that come with it, that is not change anyone signed up for. In fact, if anything, its the same half measure crap that we have been arguing against the Giants utilizing for many years. Fire Gilbride, then Coughling but keep Reese, then fire Reese, then hire a familiar person, then not trade LC (which before this move I gave him the benefit of the doubt) then let him go for nothing, then resign OBJ and then trade him probably for less and with a 16 million cap hit. I can go on and on about the mismanagement of this franchise, but this is not change I can believe in or get behind. This is just more incompetence.
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the same responses are so tiresome.
Yep, I WANT CHANGE, BUT ONLY WANT IT MY WAY!
would you say the formula worked in Carolina?
I don't have enough information to know better. I honestly don't spend near the same amount of time researching other teams as I do the Giants.
Culture is real - ( New Window )
WTF.. With Beckham the Giants have won NOTHING... Christ almighty...
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the same responses are so tiresome.
People can want a change that doesn't include giving away the greatest WR in franchise history at age 26...
They didn't give him away.
Pittsburgh gave Antonio Brown away.
More than you realize and probably know, actually.
ummm, won SB's with Gmen, redid Panthers and got them back to SB.. I would say he knows..
LOL hiring the 70 year old guy thats been with the org for years is "change"?
Lol. Well thats one way to put it. No question he is eliminating the distractions and hasnt been afraid to make an unpopular move
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What the hell does DG know about a winning culture? Kind of hilarious.
ummm, won SB's with Gmen, redid Panthers and got them back to SB.. I would say he knows..
He wasn't GM for the Giants when they won. He took over a Panthers team that was already pretty much established by the time he got there. So, uhhhh...nope.
You're being a bit dramatic about this whole thing don't ya think?
We're going to pass on the most talented players because they don't fit into some bullshit idea of what old, white guys think players should act like?
If you're a manager, you're job is to manage personnel. If you can't do that, maybe it's time to seek other employment.
Saquon and Sterling are strong character guys. You also see it manifest in the way Shep gives it all up to block for Saquon in the run game.
Remember when the Giants were drafting nothing but team captains?
But somehow the same scouting department is going to come back with winning personalities, because now, we're taking it seriously!
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Saquon wears white after Labor Day. We'll have to ship him out too...
You're being a bit dramatic about this whole thing don't ya think?
No. No, I don't. Thank you for asking, though.
Those aren't my words, they're Bill Belichick's. I'd recommend the 45 minute interview from 2017 linked below.
Link - ( New Window )
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the same responses are so tiresome.
People want change that is competent and well thought out, I would love to hear the case for that under these circumstances. DG has totally mismanaged the roster he got and resources that come with it, that is not change anyone signed up for. In fact, if anything, its the same half measure crap that we have been arguing against the Giants utilizing for many years. Fire Gilbride, then Coughling but keep Reese, then fire Reese, then hire a familiar person, then not trade LC (which before this move I gave him the benefit of the doubt) then let him go for nothing, then resign OBJ and then trade him probably for less and with a 16 million cap hit. I can go on and on about the mismanagement of this franchise, but this is not change I can believe in or get behind. This is just more incompetence.
The franchise was definitely mismanaged, but I don’t think much of that is on DG. You seem to hate whatever he does no matter what so it’s poibtless to argue with you.
One thing to keep in mind is he doesn’t have full reign here and neither would whoever else we brought in. That’s an ownership issue not a FO issue. You can only do so much if you still need approval on major changes.
Ugh.
You might want to actually know his background.
As executive
2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
4× NFC Champion (2000, 2007, 2011, 2015)
As administrator
5× AFC Champion (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1997)
Super Bowl champion (XXXII)
Look at the structure of that contract. That structure allowed him to be traded right now and we'll be done with it after this year.
Of that 90 million, only 16 million guaranteed. Compare that to the 50 million guaranteed Brown just got. Beckham definitely is right now.
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the same responses are so tiresome.
LOL hiring the 70 year old guy thats been with the org for years is "change"?
Yeah let’s not look at what he’s done, let’s harp on his age. Talk about clueless.
Those aren't my words, they're Bill Belichick's. I'd recommend the 45 minute interview from 2017 linked below. Link - ( New Window )
I think of players like Jake Ballard and Kevin Boss when I think of quotes like that.
Signing Beckham was galactically stupid.
Right or wrong, They were still cutting him slack. When he showed up to camp despite no contract and played 'good soldier' they went ahead and signed him (a poster here maybe hitdog spoke about this). They knew the talent was incredible and were hoping against hope he would mature. When he reacted the way he did after signing they realized it isn't going to get better but likely worse.
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all fine and good, but why re-sign him to a 5-year, $95 million contract less than a year ago? Why didn't they trade Landon Collins in October? Then you have moves like signing Omameh and cutting him before half the season is out.
Look at the structure of that contract. That structure allowed him to be traded right now and we'll be done with it after this year.
Of that 90 million, only 16 million guaranteed. Compare that to the 50 million guaranteed Brown just got. Beckham definitely is right now.
That is an inarguably idiotic business decision.
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all fine and good, but why re-sign him to a 5-year, $95 million contract less than a year ago? Why didn't they trade Landon Collins in October? Then you have moves like signing Omameh and cutting him before half the season is out.
Signing Beckham was galactically stupid.
But they gave themselves an out. And they actually took it.
Because they thought it would work, what else are you looking for? We take it on the chin now and move on, we are going to suck this year anyway. Omameh was a bad signing, and he got rid of him - Reese would have moved him to Left Tackle and given him an extension.
Believe it or not it’s possible to learn from mistakes. Some of the most successful people in football are retreads.
Gettleman has guts for sure but will it pay off?
Right now he is 5-11 as the GM. We’ll see in two years if that turns.
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all fine and good, but why re-sign him to a 5-year, $95 million contract less than a year ago? Why didn't they trade Landon Collins in October? Then you have moves like signing Omameh and cutting him before half the season is out.
Look at the structure of that contract. That structure allowed him to be traded right now and we'll be done with it after this year.
Of that 90 million, only 16 million guaranteed. Compare that to the 50 million guaranteed Brown just got. Beckham definitely is right now.
That is an inarguably idiotic business decision.
Well, if it's any consolation, sounds like Gettleman was willing to let him walk and not pay him. Shurmur convinced them.
It didn't work, they gave themselves an out, they took it.