Guys he has moved on from all seemed to have the 'I' gene instead of team.
Beckham due to his insane talent level was given more rope, hoping to see him mature. A couple asshats even talked about it.
It never happened and they finally gave up on him maturing especially after how he reacted after receiving the big contract.
This trade is not a surprise when you pay close attention to DGs M.O. both here and Carolina.
Look for stronger character guys to be brought in here that also are good football players.
I'm not gonna lie, there was a little bit of snarkiness in there. But I like you, so it wasn't full snark. I save full snark for certain posters...
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all fine and good, but why re-sign him to a 5-year, $95 million contract less than a year ago? Why didn't they trade Landon Collins in October? Then you have moves like signing Omameh and cutting him before half the season is out.
Right or wrong, They were still cutting him slack. When he showed up to camp despite no contract and played 'good soldier' they went ahead and signed him (a poster here maybe hitdog spoke about this). They knew the talent was incredible and were hoping against hope he would mature. When he reacted the way he did after signing they realized it isn't going to get better but likely worse.
Collins I have no idea about. Lots of rumors what we were truly offered. If we did get offered a 2nd thats a miss on DGs part. If a 3rd its a miss only if we dont get that back as a comp pick. Other things could have been at play too that we are unaware of.
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A sincere thank you or a snarky thank you?
I'm not gonna lie, there was a little bit of snarkiness in there. But I like you, so it wasn't full snark. I save full snark for certain posters...
Like me!
Look, Gettleman has had a good couple days here, but he had a brutal first year as GM. I'm as happy as anybody to see the idiot sent packing to Cleveland, but Gettleman's presence as GM has still been a net negative. He's got a lot of work to do just to get back to even.
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A sincere thank you or a snarky thank you?
I'm not gonna lie, there was a little bit of snarkiness in there. But I like you, so it wasn't full snark. I save full snark for certain posters...
I have to admit I would have been honored if I had been fully snarked.
Perhaps next time
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A sincere thank you or a snarky thank you?
I'm not gonna lie, there was a little bit of snarkiness in there. But I like you, so it wasn't full snark. I save full snark for certain posters...
Like me!
Look, Gettleman has had a good couple days here, but he had a brutal first year as GM. I'm as happy as anybody to see the idiot sent packing to Cleveland, but Gettleman's presence as GM has still been a net negative. He's got a lot of work to do just to get back to even.
Yes, but his hands were tied. You of all people have to give him credit for pulling this.
It should buy him some time with you to see what happens next.
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In comment 14331865 crick n NC said:
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A sincere thank you or a snarky thank you?
I'm not gonna lie, there was a little bit of snarkiness in there. But I like you, so it wasn't full snark. I save full snark for certain posters...
Like me!
I still got love for ya. Even if we had a little tiff earlier.
^This.
I think Mara had had enough at that point, and he hired the right man in Gettleman to rid the franchise of him.
Mara being Mara he didn't want to rock the boat on his 1st year HC after Shurmur campaigned to keep him around. That was the mistake.
Look, Gettleman has had a good couple days here, but he had a brutal first year as GM. I'm as happy as anybody to see the idiot sent packing to Cleveland, but Gettleman's presence as GM has still been a net negative. He's got a lot of work to do just to get back to even.
His draft has the makings of an incredibly strong one. Yes some misses in FA but he had limited money to work with and needed to be creative. Solder improved as the year went on and should be solid year 2 here with a maturing Hernandez next to him. Ogletree was better than what people credit him for. Others guys were pretty bad but we arguably didnt have the cap to pay for better players.
Peppers is a great addition to the D and will be Bettchers dynamic jack knife guy. We essentially got 2 firsts in the Beckhum deal with Peppers coming aboard.
I think Mara had had enough at that point, and he hired the right man in Gettleman to rid the franchise of him.
Mara being Mara he didn't want to rock the boat on his 1st year HC after Shurmur campaigned to keep him around. That was the mistake.
Good points
I have been saying for years that big contract decisions ripple out and have major impacts down the line. Gettleman doesn't deserve major kudos for trading Beckham a year after signing him to the richest WR deal in history...not when there were so many public red flags (who knows how much Beckham horseshit they knew about behind the scenes?).
Gettleman's tenure has been too filled with complete messes to call him anything other than a mistake to this point.
The next move is to deal with Eli. Paying him this season is indefensible.
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the same responses are so tiresome.
LOL hiring the 70 year old guy thats been with the org for years is "change"?
Yeah let’s not look at what he’s done, let’s harp on his age. Talk about clueless.
this is outstanding. What's he done?
numbers and position . The past two seasons he went
to IR . its a wash . Yes agree maybe they could have
traded him for a 3rd but it's hindsight now .
OBJ has had a history of injuries . We have seen his antics
do we need him around Barkley ? The boat trip has always
stuck in my craw instead of being ready for the biggest
game of his career . He went Hollywood and with Cruz and
Sheppard in lock step they fell flat on there faces in Green Bay . Omameh was a disaster no getting around it but
it happens Free agents don't always pan out .
DG has his work cut out for him . If we add RT Williams
and have another impressive draft we will be well
on our way to a total rebuild .
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What the hell does DG know about a winning culture? Kind of hilarious.
ummm, won SB's with Gmen, redid Panthers and got them back to SB.. I would say he knows..
He wasn't GM for the Giants when they won. He took over a Panthers team that was already pretty much established by the time he got there. So, uhhhh...nope.
Umm, you are wrong... Yes, not the GM but was part of the organization. Come on now. I get it, you love OBJ and hate DG...
I have been saying for years that big contract decisions ripple out and have major impacts down the line. Gettleman doesn't deserve major kudos for trading Beckham a year after signing him to the richest WR deal in history...not when there were so many public red flags (who knows how much Beckham horseshit they knew about behind the scenes?).
Gettleman's tenure has been too filled with complete messes to call him anything other than a mistake to this point.
The next move is to deal with Eli. Paying him this season is indefensible.
He had literally just taken over the roster and all of the sudden he's faced with Beckham.
To his credit, apparently he wanted to let him walk. Shurmur convinced him otherwise, and he trusted his coach. But he structured the contract accordingly.
Like he has done several times already in his short time here, he has acknowledged mistakes and cut bait.
This is another example, and a BIG one at that.
OBJ was/is a supreme talent, but if we're trading him so as to get more players who can block, cover and tackle, I'm for it even if I hate to see OBJ go.
Skill players are great but I think the last few years showed they're all for naught if the offensive line can't block and the defense can't cover or tackle.
Not justifying each of the DG trades/signing/cuts, I agree some are bewildering. And I don't care about "culture" per se. I just know what I like to watch football-wise, and the recent Giants have not been that.
How about we let it play out. He had the balls to make a trade that you've advocated for and acknowledged nobody had the balls to make.
Cut the guy a little slack.
OBJ was/is a supreme talent, but if we're trading him so as to get more players who can block, cover and tackle, I'm for it even if I hate to see OBJ go.
Skill players are great but I think the last few years showed they're all for naught if the offensive line can't block and the defense can't cover or tackle.
Not justifying each of the DG trades/signing/cuts, I agree some are bewildering. And I don't care about "culture" per se. I just know what I like to watch football-wise, and the recent Giants have not been that.
Shep was huge on downfield blocking for Barkely. Get more guys like that...Hakeem Butler obliterates guys in the run game and is the big bodied type that DG seems to really like.
Man people have been giving me shit all offseason for being negative, and it's never made sense. The team has been a complete shitshow...negativity is the reality.
I'll say Gettleman is doing a good job when he's done a good job.
First asshat moment for me. Could be my last lol.
First asshat moment for me. Could be my last lol.
I have trouble with this one if true. Why not go after Foles then? Why not release him earlier and sign a couple of the better FAs. I guess we'll wait and see.
Terps, I hear what you are saying and generally agree about Beckham and Manning. But you act like these are all easy decisions and you have all the answers. The fact is there are always lots of factors, public and private, and there are negotiations among numerous stakeholders, and some things are going to go better than others. There are future uncertainties, injuries, draft order and you have to hedge against risks.
You don't know what we could have gotten for Beckham last year with a short leash on his contract. We would have gotten less or paid more if we kept him and let him hit FA. My point is that these are all difficult decisions and while you can certainly disagree with whatever you want, you do not have all the answers.
You could choose to emphasize that while it was a year too late, the Giants lost the player you wanted them to lose, they traded out Collins for a better younger cheaper prospect that can actually cover, they rid themselves of the Vernon contract, and in exchange got a top guard at a fair price. We have a heightened need at WR but have 12 picks in the draft.
I hear the hindsight on a Collins and/or OBJ trade last year, but it just does not always go your way. Things are not that simple in the real world.
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the same responses are so tiresome.
LOL hiring the 70 year old guy thats been with the org for years is "change"?
Yeah let’s not look at what he’s done, let’s harp on his age. Talk about clueless.
this is outstanding. What's he done?
Clearly nothing you like. I happen to like his approach, especially given the confines likely mandated to him.
You guys that want some 35 year old kid out of MIT to run the show need to understand that Mara isn’t hiring that. Hate Mara for that, don’t hate Gettleman.
I happen to like the trades he’s pulled off. We have a ton of draft capital and future cap room and build a team that dictates TOP. Maybe you disagree with that, we’ll see what happens, but he’s getting rid of players who didn’t have a future here regardless, why is that not a good thing?
Apple stunk
Vernon wasn’t worth his price tag
Snacks was a 2 down specialist that was a likely cut this offseason
Flowers stunk
Omameh got cut without blinking
What would you have done differently with these rostered players?
His biggest mistake has been Eli and I actually think he wants to move on and isn’t allowed to. That’s just my opinion, I have nothing to back that up but I don’t think I’m wrong on that one.
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What the hell does it even mean?
We're going to pass on the most talented players because they don't fit into some bullshit idea of what old, white guys think players should act like?
If you're a manager, you're job is to manage personnel. If you can't do that, maybe it's time to seek other employment.
Agree. The trade may work out and the locker room may be better but if you can’t stand gifted prima donnas, you’re not the guy to handle elite players.
This !!!
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Saquon wears white after Labor Day. We'll have to ship him out too...
Saquon and Sterling are strong character guys. You also see it manifest in the way Shep gives it all up to block for Saquon in the run game.
Fwiw, so did Beckham.
The list with OBJ is long.
Those aren't my words, they're Bill Belichick's. I'd recommend the 45 minute interview from 2017....
What does BB know! This is BBI!
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One of my oldest and most trusted of friend’s just told me he knows a guy that works closely with the giants and this guy stated eli will be released shortly. I am not sure I even buy it, but who knows. Take it for what it’s worth.
First asshat moment for me. Could be my last lol.
I have trouble with this one if true. Why not go after Foles then? Why not release him earlier and sign a couple of the better FAs. I guess we'll wait and see.
Who knows... I don’t even buy it but figured it was worth sharing. They could be thinking long view and just want to reset things with the new qb this year.
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all fine and good, but why re-sign him to a 5-year, $95 million contract less than a year ago? Why didn't they trade Landon Collins in October? Then you have moves like signing Omameh and cutting him before half the season is out.
Signing Beckham was galactically stupid.
Jesus would you just stop already? Why? You make it sound so easy. If they let him walk they get NOTHING in return. If they do try and trade him before that extension, and for all we know they did try, they might not not get the return they got now that he is signed long term.
Dead money bla bla bla bla bla. You don’t even want to spend the money anyway so relax already. They aren’t spending money this offseason anyway, they are taking the long game approach — who cares about the cap hit this season.
You love to bitch dude.
You have wanted this guy gone since the jump. They traded him. Got back good chips. What’s the problem? Spin this anyway you want.
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One of my oldest and most trusted of friend’s just told me he knows a guy that works closely with the giants and this guy stated eli will be released shortly. I am not sure I even buy it, but who knows. Take it for what it’s worth.
First asshat moment for me. Could be my last lol.
I have trouble with this one if true. Why not go after Foles then? Why not release him earlier and sign a couple of the better FAs. I guess we'll wait and see.
Who knows... I don’t even buy it but figured it was worth sharing. They could be thinking long view and just want to reset things with the new qb this year.
Given everything else,, it would actually be the move that would make the most sense. But, the smart thing to do would be to turn it over to Lauletta (or, I suppose Tanney). It would compound any stupidity he has exhibited to go for Haskins, Murray, Or Rosen, *especially* if he had to use accumulated assets to do so. He's put in the moves that gives them a great entree to an elite QB (and none of those guys are it) next year.
What?
Awesome platitude. One of your best. And I never ever said this.
That’s fucking it. Deal with it.
That's what they've been doing...
They cut a ton of guys although are inexplicably hanging on to McCoy. The parallels are interesting.
Go play Mega Millions since you must know what numbers are going to be drawn.
Because they lack talent, plain and simple. They won a Super Bowl when they had Strahan skipping training camp and Plax ditching practice for an entire season.
I've been saying this for awhile - the biggest issue the last 5 years is below average coaching. There have been personell issues, and injury issues, but one can't say McAdoo is a lousy coach, the team has no talent, and yet goes 11-5. The '16 and '17 teams had talent. Piss poor management of that talent, along with catastrophic injuries to WR in '17 were the primary reasons for 3-13.
So far I have seen no evidence that Gettleman and Shurmer can right the ship, we shall see in the next year or 2.