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Deadspin: Giants Did this to Themselves

Giantophile : 3/13/2019 11:52 am
This article completely nails it, IMO.
Deadspin - ( New Window )
If anybody knows something about self sabotage  
AcesUp : 3/13/2019 11:54 am : link
it's Deadspin.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 11:56 am : link
I don't agree with this:

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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.


Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.
Deadspin  
fanofthejets : 3/13/2019 11:56 am : link
They took a break from their 24/7 snowflake tantrum to write about sports?

That website can't die soon enough. It is an absolute cesspool
100% on point  
Justlurking : 3/13/2019 11:57 am : link
no plan, no direction, no clue. Laughingstock of the NFL.
How, exactly, could Collins have been franchised and traded  
regulator : 3/13/2019 11:57 am : link
if it was known he wouldn't sign a franchise tender?

Am I missing something?
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Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


So, now the highlights will be ok Barkley’s runs while their giants lose. Just like last year. Awesome.
Without reading this article, let me say this:  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2019 11:58 am : link
Generally speaking and sans the trolls, BBIers know 10x more about the Giants than anyone in the media, except for perhaps Garafolo and of course, Papa..

They know squat about what really goes on at bw Central or what injuries certain players are continually hit with. That’s at least 10x more than tge media and we still know very little.

RE: Deadspin  
BigBlueJ : 3/13/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14332320 fanofthejets said:
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They took a break from their 24/7 snowflake tantrum to write about sports?

That website can't die soon enough. It is an absolute cesspool


I love Deadspin.
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jcn56 : 3/13/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


I wouldn't look at it like that, I'd look at it the way you view Barkley - he had the potential to change any game in a single play.

That hope now falls entirely onto Barkley.
A lot of young kids are tossing their Giants jerseys  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2019 11:59 am : link
and buying Browns.

We did this to ourselves, no, actually Mara did it to us by being soft and hiring DG.
Whenever I bring..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2019 12:00 pm : link
up Odell's one-handed catch, my friend who is a Cowboys fan gives me shit:

"Yeah? Who won that game"
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 12:00 pm : link
If jtgiants is correct - right or wrong - the Giants still don't consider themselves in rebuilding mode.

If they did, then it is obvious they delayed the rebuild one year unnecessarily.

If they don't see themselves rebuilding, then there is no other explanation than they simply thought Beckham was toxic.
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Giantophile : 3/13/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


Oh I agree with you there, I doubt anyone thinks a fun player/highlight warm-ups are preferable to winning games -- but if the wins aren't coming either way? At least with Odell you have a chance to make something happen out of nowhere.

The first thing my father said when I texted him last night was "how the hell are we going to even watch this team next year?"
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Justlurking : 3/13/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14332355 Eric from BBI said:
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If jtgiants is correct - right or wrong - the Giants still don't consider themselves in rebuilding mode.

If they did, then it is obvious they delayed the rebuild one year unnecessarily.

If they don't see themselves rebuilding, then there is no other explanation than they simply thought Beckham was toxic.


How can they not consider themselves rebuilding? They've traded away a bunch of starters for picks. Thats the definition of rebuilding.
We deserve every dick stomp...  
Chris in Philly : 3/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
and punchline aimed our way...
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jcn56 : 3/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14332355 Eric from BBI said:
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If jtgiants is correct - right or wrong - the Giants still don't consider themselves in rebuilding mode.

If they did, then it is obvious they delayed the rebuild one year unnecessarily.

If they don't see themselves rebuilding, then there is no other explanation than they simply thought Beckham was toxic.


I think jt is right - and once again, that the Giants have horribly miscalculated their roster and their prospects.

Which is why so many say they have no plan - it's not that there's no plan, just that the plan sucks. In the end, that's every bit as bad as having no plan at all.
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Dinger : 3/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


+1
The problem with the Giants Front office  
AnnapolisMike : 3/13/2019 12:05 pm : link
Is they cared too much what the fans thought and let emotions rule them. With Beckham gone and Eli gone in a year...if not sooner. Hopefully, rationality will return.
Giantophile  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 12:05 pm : link
To be honest, I wasn't watching because of Beckham last year. I was watching Saquon.

Beckham sat those final four games and didn't seem to be in a rush to get back.
Lions fans will always have Megatron and Barry...  
Dunedin81 : 3/13/2019 12:05 pm : link
even if neither won anything of consequence. OBJ was like that for me. Winning is better, but if you're going to lose at least make it entertaining.
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Tesla : 3/13/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


What about all the games in 2016 Beckham basically won for us? The Dallas game we won 10-7? Those were sure enjoyable to me.
Completely agree with this comment on Giants drafting  
JerseyCityJoe : 3/13/2019 12:06 pm : link
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they were a losing team drafting like a winning team that needed one missing piece. It was self-delusion.
Barkley alone made the Giants "must see TV"  
RobCrossRiver56 : 3/13/2019 12:07 pm : link
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RE: Giantophile  
Chris in Philly : 3/13/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14332393 Eric from BBI said:
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To be honest, I wasn't watching because of Beckham last year. I was watching Saquon.

Beckham sat those final four games and didn't seem to be in a rush to get back.


And in those 4 games without OBJ, Saquon averaged 88 yards a game. Sigh.
RE: RE: Deadspin  
fanofthejets : 3/13/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14332339 BigBlueJ said:
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In comment 14332320 fanofthejets said:


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They took a break from their 24/7 snowflake tantrum to write about sports?

That website can't die soon enough. It is an absolute cesspool



I love Deadspin.


I guess I do too. To laugh AT them
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Stan in LA : 3/13/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14332355 Eric from BBI said:
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If jtgiants is correct - right or wrong - the Giants still don't consider themselves in rebuilding mode.

If they did, then it is obvious they delayed the rebuild one year unnecessarily.

If they don't see themselves rebuilding, then there is no other explanation than they simply thought Beckham was toxic.

Yes, Beckham WAS toxic. Addition by subtraction.
RE: Whenever I bring..  
EricJ : 3/13/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14332354 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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up Odell's one-handed catch, my friend who is a Cowboys fan gives me shit:

"Yeah? Who won that game"


It is true..
In general, we seem to care more here in Giant land about things that really dont matter. Statistics...whether a player will make the HOF. Ruining Eli's career, etc

In the end, it is just about winning and I really dont care who is on the roster when that happens.

There is a reason why I do not own a Giants jersey anymore. it is not because I don't like the team but instead because I do not care to fall in love with any particular player. I came CLOSE to getting a Landon Collins jersey two years ago... lol

I know we get sick of talking about it but the Pats have it right. The only one who stays is the franchise QB. Everyone else is just a cog that they are not emotionally tied to.
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j_rud : 3/13/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


"The Catch" really came to typify his time here. Goes for something like 10 for 146 and a truly remarkable TD catch...in a game the team lost.

Now I'm not saying that loss or any of the teams struggles are all on him. But something clearly wasn't working. For all his magic this has been a pretty awful team since he arrived. You can (and should) blame that on the management and ownership. You can probably point to places they could have done things differently or better. And you can say the same for Beckham. But in the end this just wasn't working. Sometimes the best option still kinda sucks. But I do really feel like going forward, over the next 5 years, this gives the Giants a better chance to be a good football team. Now there are plenty of other things they've gotta do, and they've gotta do all of them damn near perfectly.

Im shocked Im saying this myself and if you wouldve told me Id be typing this yesterday I wouldnt have believed you, but I feel better about this team now than I did at this time yesterday. And hell, I may just be deluding myself but fuck it, lets see where this goes.
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Go Terps : 3/13/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


There has been nothing enjoyable about watching the Giants for years. If it weren't for the off field shit Beckham would be completely forgettable.
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j_rud : 3/13/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14332496 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:


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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.



There has been nothing enjoyable about watching the Giants for years. If it weren't for the off field shit Beckham would be completely forgettable.


I dont thnk even you believe that last bit. Lines like that are the exact point your cross the line from well thought out contrarian to full blown caricature.
Chris  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 12:18 pm : link
but oddly, outside of the Titans game, we didn't have issues scoring without Beckham.
If the Giants draft a terrific WR  
BBelle21 : 3/13/2019 12:19 pm : link
In this year’s draft, I can see all this criticism disappearing in a blink.
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M.S. : 3/13/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.

Amen to that!
That Titans..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2019 12:22 pm : link
game gets referenced a lot. It was a wet, windy, cold day where the Titans did almost all of their damage on the ground.

That's one that really shouldn't be used as a barometer of the offense.
RE: RE: Whenever I bring..  
rnargi : 3/13/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14332462 EricJ said:
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In comment 14332354 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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up Odell's one-handed catch, my friend who is a Cowboys fan gives me shit:

"Yeah? Who won that game"



It is true..
In general, we seem to care more here in Giant land about things that really dont matter. Statistics...whether a player will make the HOF. Ruining Eli's career, etc

In the end, it is just about winning and I really dont care who is on the roster when that happens.

There is a reason why I do not own a Giants jersey anymore. it is not because I don't like the team but instead because I do not care to fall in love with any particular player. I came CLOSE to getting a Landon Collins jersey two years ago... lol

I know we get sick of talking about it but the Pats have it right. The only one who stays is the franchise QB. Everyone else is just a cog that they are not emotionally tied to.


There were people on this site that wished for the Giants to lose the final game against the Skins in 2006 so TC would be fired. They won, and then lost in the playoffs to Philly. The next year, TC won the first of two Lombardi trophies.
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Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14332355 Eric from BBI said:
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If jtgiants is correct - right or wrong - the Giants still don't consider themselves in rebuilding mode.

If they did, then it is obvious they delayed the rebuild one year unnecessarily.

If they don't see themselves rebuilding, then there is no other explanation than they simply thought Beckham was toxic.


I think it's all semantics at this point. What the Giants are doing is literally a rebuild. In one year, Gettleman has turned over the entire roster. With Collins and Odell gone, I think there are only 13 guys left on the entire roster who were inherited from 2017. They have 12 draft picks coming up (or whatever the number is). The only constant, is Eli. So is Eli the difference between rebuilding or not? That seems to be the barometer. But looking at what is actually going on, it's a rebuild. What I think Mara and the Giants get angry at is a "tank". Mara has said he never wants to tank. So in his mind, the Giants will try to win as they rebuild. They won't do what the Dolphins appear to be doing this year and the Jets did a couple of years ago and back up the truck, or hell even what Cleveland did.

The Giants will never actually try to lose games. But they have put a bad product on the field that has naturally done that.
RE: That Titans..  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14332553 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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game gets referenced a lot. It was a wet, windy, cold day where the Titans did almost all of their damage on the ground.

That's one that really shouldn't be used as a barometer of the offense.
Titans were playing something at the time too. Thought they played with more energy than we did that day.
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joeinpa : 3/13/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.


Amen!
RE: Whenever I bring..  
joeinpa : 3/13/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14332354 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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up Odell's one-handed catch, my friend who is a Cowboys fan gives me shit:

"Yeah? Who won that game"


I hate seeing replays of that catch for just that reason
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joeinpa : 3/13/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14332364 Giantophile said:
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I don't agree with this:

I think if next quarterback is in place, you watch with the know they have finally stopped living in the past and are ready to move on.



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.



Oh I agree with you there, I doubt anyone thinks a fun player/highlight warm-ups are preferable to winning games -- but if the wins aren't coming either way? At least with Odell you have a chance to make something happen out of nowhere.

The first thing my father said when I texted him last night was "how the hell are we going to even watch this team next year?"
It may  
WestCoastGiant56 : 3/13/2019 1:20 pm : link
not have made losing less enjoyable for us, but he was the main reason that little kids continued to watch. One of the most electrifying players in the league was actually on our team. Every kid knows who he is. They are the ones that are going to feel it the most (along with Mara's pockets).
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Mike from Ohio : 3/13/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14332496 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14332312 Eric from BBI said:


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I don't agree with this:



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Losing Odell Beckham will be incredibly painful for Giants fans. Even when the team was dogshit, he made them relevant. Yes, fans want to win, but there’s also something to be said for employing players so exciting that they singlehandedly make games worth watching. “Don’t quit on talent,” might be one way to express that sentiment.



Beckham making great catches didn't make losing more enjoyable. In fact, I found it comical that the highlight of the Giants.com twitter feed was Beckham's pre-game one-handed catch warm-ups. Who the fuck cares about that? Win the game.



There has been nothing enjoyable about watching the Giants for years. If it weren't for the off field shit Beckham would be completely forgettable.


This is Radar level stuff now.
RE: A lot of young kids are tossing their Giants jerseys  
rsjem1979 : 3/13/2019 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14332350 SHO'NUFF said:
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and buying Browns.

We did this to ourselves, no, actually Mara did it to us by being soft and hiring DG.


Are we supposed to care about the whims of children and jersey sales? I'm almost 40 years old and it's such an insignificant team financial matter, if I cared about that shit I'd kill myself.
Mike from Ohio  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 1:31 pm : link
If you're distracted by shiny things, good for you. Beckham must have been great.

I didn't give a shit, because the team was terrible. You know which team is my favorite of all time in any sport? The 1990 Giants. I remember more about that team's games than any game the Giants have played in the past 6 years.

The 1990 Giants didn't have much in the way of shiny things, but they did win games.
Did anyone really expect to read anything positive  
The_Boss : 3/13/2019 1:32 pm : link
About the team, GM, or owner today?
I'm no football writer  
TJ : 3/13/2019 2:23 pm : link
and I've seen this sentiment expressed by some posers here too. But I'm having trouble believing this "the team’s biggest obstacle to contention: its aging, ineffective quarterback"

I don't want to argue whether we should be replacing him this year or next or exactly how much he has fallen since his last super bowl. But I am pretty sure I've seen teams "contend" with QBs no better than ours.
RE: I'm no football writer  
family progtitioner : 3/13/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14333125 TJ said:
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and I've seen this sentiment expressed by some posers here too. But I'm having trouble believing this "the team’s biggest obstacle to contention: its aging, ineffective quarterback"

I don't want to argue whether we should be replacing him this year or next or exactly how much he has fallen since his last super bowl. But I am pretty sure I've seen teams "contend" with QBs no better than ours.


It's the biggest reason, just not the only reason. I think their shitty D the last few seasons (except 2016) also plays a role.
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