Every sports channel I flip, every article i read is TRASHING thus Giants right now. I personally don’t mind the trade, but that is besides the point.
What free agent is going to want to sign here right now? They are going to have so many people in their ear saying “no man can’t go to them they have no direction and are clueless” because that is what the media is saying right now.
I wish they could have held this trade back for a week or so just to confirm they could scoop up some good free agents.
Just hammering it.
Just hammering it.
Can't argue with that.
Just hammering it.
Seems to me their target demographic is people that would be considered "casual fans".
3. let your overpriced FA's walk
4. replace those guys with players you drafted.
5. use FA for depth signings
repeat...
1) Money/Keeping their jobs
2)Not being embarrassed on the field
3) Winning
But the overreacting to this trade is at least entertaining
1 - The NYG were not a winning team with OBJ. 1 out of 5 years - (11-5, I believe), which led to the infamous boat party and I think he had all of 30yds receiving in the playoff game with a couple HUGE drops. So - he didn't lead to wins by himself.
2 - If the NYG are drafting a rookie QB, think about the negative effects someone like OBJ could have on that young QB coming into the organization. Now, most reports are that he is a good teammate, but there has to be some concern within the organization that having OBJ on the team while trying to mentor a rookie QB could have more negative consequences than positive.
3 - Yes there was a dead cap hit for 2019. However, the projections for cap space in 2020 and beyond are fantastic. When you take Eli off the books, the Giants are going to have a ton of flexibility ($80,000-$100,000).
4 - This is a true rebuild within the macro-level view of DG's "Kansas City model." That, IMHO, is the only reason ELI is still here - to help mentor the rookie QB that will be on the team in May.
5 - In the meantime, the GMEN got 2019 1st, 2019 3rd, and a 1st round safety from two years ago (keeping in mind safety was a BLACK HOLE just three days ago), now it could be considered an area of relative strength.
- And oh btw? The GMEN lost a ton of games this year because the D could not make a stop...so that being an area of emphasis this draft could wind up being a huge get
6 - If we somehow land an OT with the 17th pick, and the DG goes and finds a Center in Rd 2 or Rd 3, the OLine then becomes an area of strength.
Finally - I've seen a ton of posters here complain that we don't have any depth or star WR players with OBJ gone. I'm not disagreeing - instead, I'm recalling 2011 with an aging Nicks, Manningham, and who was our TE (he was undrafted I believe). The point is the team doesn't need OBJ to win. I think they will prioritize finding another #1 WR (although it may not be this year) to fill that void.
If you compare that Pittsburgh only got a 3rd and a 5th for AB (yes, I know he is older but statistically he has outperformed OBJ every year for the past 2-3 years), we got a potential star in Peppers who I have seen people argue his ceiling is higher than Collins (although the floor is lower), and what I hope is a starting RT (or potentially a guy we can groom for LT once Solder moves on) at #17.
People are not giving enough thought to the fact that we had ZERO safeties on 3/10 - and now we have two solid players back there.
I will miss OBJ. Shit, I have a HUGE FATHEAD of him in my ManCave. It sucks to see him go...but if you really take the emotion out of it we did not win at all with him on the team.
I'm excited to see what happens in the draft and what happens by the end of today.
3. let your overpriced FA's walk
4. replace those guys with players you drafted.
5. use FA for depth signings
repeat...
6. Sign your players to historic contracts and then trade them 6 months later for underwhelming packages to create lots of dead money.
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ESPN is really nailing their target demographic, today.
Just hammering it.
Seems to me their target demographic is people that would be considered "casual fans".
That's one way to put it.
Either of those 2 scenarios would have saved Giants lots of cap space with same result. The boneheaded decision to give OBJ a monster contract and $65M in guaranteed money is 100% on Mara/Tisch. The Giants should have committed to rebuild after 2017, but Mara got cold feet after giving the greenlight to bench Eli and blamed Reese/McAdoo for the terrible season.
As far as I am concerned from now on we should assume every word out of DG's mouth is 100% BS.
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2. coach them up.
3. let your overpriced FA's walk
4. replace those guys with players you drafted.
5. use FA for depth signings
repeat...
6. Sign your players to historic contracts and then trade them 6 months later for underwhelming packages to create lots of dead money.
7. Use your remaining FA space to overpay middle tier FAs you'll be cutting before the season is over.
1 - The NYG were not a winning team with OBJ. 1 out of 5 years - (11-5, I believe), which led to the infamous boat party and I think he had all of 30yds receiving in the playoff game with a couple HUGE drops. So - he didn't lead to wins by himself.
2 - If the NYG are drafting a rookie QB, think about the negative effects someone like OBJ could have on that young QB coming into the organization. Now, most reports are that he is a good teammate, but there has to be some concern within the organization that having OBJ on the team while trying to mentor a rookie QB could have more negative consequences than positive.
3 - Yes there was a dead cap hit for 2019. However, the projections for cap space in 2020 and beyond are fantastic. When you take Eli off the books, the Giants are going to have a ton of flexibility ($80,000-$100,000).
4 - This is a true rebuild within the macro-level view of DG's "Kansas City model." That, IMHO, is the only reason ELI is still here - to help mentor the rookie QB that will be on the team in May.
5 - In the meantime, the GMEN got 2019 1st, 2019 3rd, and a 1st round safety from two years ago (keeping in mind safety was a BLACK HOLE just three days ago), now it could be considered an area of relative strength.
- And oh btw? The GMEN lost a ton of games this year because the D could not make a stop...so that being an area of emphasis this draft could wind up being a huge get
6 - If we somehow land an OT with the 17th pick, and the DG goes and finds a Center in Rd 2 or Rd 3, the OLine then becomes an area of strength.
Finally - I've seen a ton of posters here complain that we don't have any depth or star WR players with OBJ gone. I'm not disagreeing - instead, I'm recalling 2011 with an aging Nicks, Manningham, and who was our TE (he was undrafted I believe). The point is the team doesn't need OBJ to win. I think they will prioritize finding another #1 WR (although it may not be this year) to fill that void.
If you compare that Pittsburgh only got a 3rd and a 5th for AB (yes, I know he is older but statistically he has outperformed OBJ every year for the past 2-3 years), we got a potential star in Peppers who I have seen people argue his ceiling is higher than Collins (although the floor is lower), and what I hope is a starting RT (or potentially a guy we can groom for LT once Solder moves on) at #17.
People are not giving enough thought to the fact that we had ZERO safeties on 3/10 - and now we have two solid players back there.
I will miss OBJ. Shit, I have a HUGE FATHEAD of him in my ManCave. It sucks to see him go...but if you really take the emotion out of it we did not win at all with him on the team.
I'm excited to see what happens in the draft and what happens by the end of today.
That was a well articulated and thought out post. I couldn’t help but laugh when you said if we draft a rookie QB. Ha! We’re extending Eli through 2025. This team is a joke.
1 - The NYG were not a winning team with OBJ. 1 out of 5 years - (11-5, I believe), which led to the infamous boat party and I think he had all of 30yds receiving in the playoff game with a couple HUGE drops. So - he didn't lead to wins by himself.
2 - If the NYG are drafting a rookie QB, think about the negative effects someone like OBJ could have on that young QB coming into the organization. Now, most reports are that he is a good teammate, but there has to be some concern within the organization that having OBJ on the team while trying to mentor a rookie QB could have more negative consequences than positive.
3 - Yes there was a dead cap hit for 2019. However, the projections for cap space in 2020 and beyond are fantastic. When you take Eli off the books, the Giants are going to have a ton of flexibility ($80,000-$100,000).
4 - This is a true rebuild within the macro-level view of DG's "Kansas City model." That, IMHO, is the only reason ELI is still here - to help mentor the rookie QB that will be on the team in May.
5 - In the meantime, the GMEN got 2019 1st, 2019 3rd, and a 1st round safety from two years ago (keeping in mind safety was a BLACK HOLE just three days ago), now it could be considered an area of relative strength.
- And oh btw? The GMEN lost a ton of games this year because the D could not make a stop...so that being an area of emphasis this draft could wind up being a huge get
6 - If we somehow land an OT with the 17th pick, and the DG goes and finds a Center in Rd 2 or Rd 3, the OLine then becomes an area of strength.
Finally - I've seen a ton of posters here complain that we don't have any depth or star WR players with OBJ gone. I'm not disagreeing - instead, I'm recalling 2011 with an aging Nicks, Manningham, and who was our TE (he was undrafted I believe). The point is the team doesn't need OBJ to win. I think they will prioritize finding another #1 WR (although it may not be this year) to fill that void.
If you compare that Pittsburgh only got a 3rd and a 5th for AB (yes, I know he is older but statistically he has outperformed OBJ every year for the past 2-3 years), we got a potential star in Peppers who I have seen people argue his ceiling is higher than Collins (although the floor is lower), and what I hope is a starting RT (or potentially a guy we can groom for LT once Solder moves on) at #17.
People are not giving enough thought to the fact that we had ZERO safeties on 3/10 - and now we have two solid players back there.
I will miss OBJ. Shit, I have a HUGE FATHEAD of him in my ManCave. It sucks to see him go...but if you really take the emotion out of it we did not win at all with him on the team.
I'm excited to see what happens in the draft and what happens by the end of today.
I think this is a well thought out post. The only point I disagree on is who the 4th pick would have been. I think had this played out, the pick would have been Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson.
Either of those 2 scenarios would have saved Giants lots of cap space with same result. The boneheaded decision to give OBJ a monster contract and $65M in guaranteed money is 100% on Mara/Tisch. The Giants should have committed to rebuild after 2017, but Mara got cold feet after giving the greenlight to bench Eli and blamed Reese/McAdoo for the terrible season.
As far as I am concerned from now on we should assume every word out of DG's mouth is 100% BS.
You do not know his past trade value or his future trade value. You cannot say the Giants would have done better in the past, or in the future.
When they made the Eli Apple and Snacks trades, I think it became pretty obvious.
We didn't recoup as much as we wanted from OBJ, but I think capturing his value before any sort of post-AB drama started was a fire-prevention move. Imagine if it was a year later, and OBJ pulled an AB? We'd get what the Steelers got.
Yeah, in hindsight we should have traded him to the Browns and drafted a QB with the 4th (although except for Mayfield, I don't think DG was enamored with the QBs).
That all being said, we're going to end up with one of the more dominant defenses within the next two years. With this defensive-heavy draft where we have almost 12 picks, the Giants can transform into a very young, high-ceiling defense. I think that will produce more wins than having OBJ. Yes, he wins you some games. But defenses win Championships.
Long-term, NY Giants weren't winning shit this year. Strip the band-aid, invest in the trenches, and create an offense and defense that control the clock. Boom!
Either of those 2 scenarios would have saved Giants lots of cap space with same result. The boneheaded decision to give OBJ a monster contract and $65M in guaranteed money is 100% on Mara/Tisch. The Giants should have committed to rebuild after 2017, but Mara got cold feet after giving the greenlight to bench Eli and blamed Reese/McAdoo for the terrible season.
As far as I am concerned from now on we should assume every word out of DG's mouth is 100% BS.
The huge contract came before the interview with the rapper. OBJ assured (from what I'm given to understand) that he was going to be more mature, and be the good soldier. We can assume or project or whatever, but the simple fact is, WE are not privy to what goes on every single minute of every single day with this team. We know only what we hear or read thru the media. The contract is not the issue, or it wasn't at the time of signing. The issue was his behavior. Now what exact event prompted the thinking in the executive offices, I wouldn't presume to know, as it seemed to come out of the blue yesterday. WE do not know the particulars of the phone calls Gettleman recieved, nor will we ever find out. WE do not know what OBJ's exact value was in the eyes of other teams. I'm not going to stand here and presume to know if OBJ would have gotten a larger or better haul. WE don't know how other teams looked at him, or whether they considered the potential distractions on and off the field. Cleveland's offer may have been the best Gettleman could have hoped for. The San Francisco rumors obviously didn't amount to anything. I'm going to take a more pragmatic approach.
Either of those 2 scenarios would have saved Giants lots of cap space with same result. The boneheaded decision to give OBJ a monster contract and $65M in guaranteed money is 100% on Mara/Tisch. The Giants should have committed to rebuild after 2017, but Mara got cold feet after giving the greenlight to bench Eli and blamed Reese/McAdoo for the terrible season.
As far as I am concerned from now on we should assume every word out of DG's mouth is 100% BS.
The huge contract came before the interview with the rapper. OBJ assured (from what I'm given to understand) that he was going to be more mature, and be the good soldier. We can assume or project or whatever, but the simple fact is, WE are not privy to what goes on every single minute of every single day with this team. We know only what we hear or read thru the media. The contract is not the issue, or it wasn't at the time of signing. The issue was his behavior. Now what exact event prompted the thinking in the executive offices, I wouldn't presume to know, as it seemed to come out of the blue yesterday. WE do not know the particulars of the phone calls Gettleman recieved, nor will we ever find out. WE do not know what OBJ's exact value was in the eyes of other teams.
I'm not going to stand here and presume to know if OBJ would have gotten a larger or better haul. WE don't know how other teams looked at him, or whether they considered the potential distractions on and off the field. Cleveland's offer may have been the best Gettleman could have hoped for. The San Francisco rumors obviously didn't amount to anything. I'm going to take a more pragmatic approach.