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John Middlekauf on Cowherd: re Odell

ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 1:34 pm
Giants had better offers but didn't want to trade him to an NFC team
Who?  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 1:35 pm : link
and doubtful.
Who is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
that?
That would be fucking annoying  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
I'd have been fine trading him to the Eagles. That would have been like giving them footballs tainted with smallpox.
...  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
i dont see how possible that is. i mean if you want to keep him out of NFC, it means youre worried about him kicking tour fucking ass. at that point keep him becaue you identified he is a game changer
Probably ...  
Beer Man : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
the 49ers
It was also rumored that Belichick wanted him last season  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
but they didn't want him to go to NE and win a SB.

Of course, people are picking and choosing the rumors they want to believe.
Middlekauff  
Big Rick in FL : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
On Twitter said last night flat out said he hadn't heard that.

I like him, but I'd take his word with a grain of salt. He's bitter he was wrong about the 49ers trading for him.
RE: Who is  
Strahan91 : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14332920 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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that?

former eagles scout
I am craving sauerkraut  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 1:36 pm : link
for some reason.
RE: Who?  
Mr. Bungle : 3/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14332916 Britt in VA said:
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and doubtful.

You're doubting a podcaster now?!
Yea can you imagine this crowd on BBI  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
if Beckham went somewhere else in the division?

We'd be talking suicides.

Never heard that name before  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
But, if he's going on Cowherd, I'm going to go ahead and assume he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.
RE: That would be fucking annoying  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14332921 Go Terps said:
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I'd have been fine trading him to the Eagles. That would have been like giving them footballs tainted with smallpox.


LOL!
RE: Never heard that name before  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14332933 Greg from LI said:
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But, if he's going on Cowherd, I'm going to go ahead and assume he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.


This
He said they wouldn’t trade him in the NFC...  
Sean : 3/13/2019 1:38 pm : link
not the division. Who knows.
I would have rather teased OBJ to a bad team  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2019 1:38 pm : link
with a bad QB in a bad city...just to fuck with him.
That would have been like giving them footballs tainted with smallpox'  
Torrag : 3/13/2019 1:38 pm : link
LOL that was fucking hysterical.
Isn't he the owner of the Phillies  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 1:38 pm : link
?
*  
SHO'NUFF : 3/13/2019 1:38 pm : link
traded
how much better?  
Pan-handler : 3/13/2019 1:39 pm : link
could we have got the #2 overall from Frisco? Somehow I doubt it.
RE: how much better?  
jeff57 : 3/13/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14332944 Pan-handler said:
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could we have got the #2 overall from Frisco? Somehow I doubt it.


I'm sure they would have made that deal.
Can't Send to Division Opponents  
Rong5611 : 3/13/2019 1:41 pm : link
They may have lost out on a better return from SF though.
If OB was a “cancer,” wouldn’t we WANT to trade him in the division?  
TD : 3/13/2019 1:41 pm : link
Hmmmm.....

Such a stupid trade.. can’t get over it.
RE: Middlekauff  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14332926 Big Rick in FL said:
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On Twitter said last night flat out said he hadn't heard that.

I like him, but I'd take his word with a grain of salt. He's bitter he was wrong about the 49ers trading for him.


He said on video last night there were better offers in the NFC.

He's more than a podcaster, he's a former scout and works for The Athletic. But I know, we don't like people with opinions that make the Giants look bad.
Middlekauf - ( New Window )
Can you imagine if the Giants traded him to an NFCE team  
AnnapolisMike : 3/13/2019 1:42 pm : link
That would have been a PR disaster. At very least he had to go out of the division...and preferably the AFC.

RE: If OB was a “cancer,” wouldn’t we WANT to trade him in the division?  
NoGainDayne : 3/13/2019 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14332962 TD said:
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Hmmmm.....

Such a stupid trade.. can’t get over it.


This is what makes it hard to believe that the Giants are engaging in solid analytical frameworks.

You "can't win with him" but apparently are concerned that other teams can. It is illogical.

My biggest issue with this including the timing right after the AB trade screams we were a desperate counter-party. Signing him to a deal like we did and all the smoke around trading him is desperate in it's own right.

We are a poorly led team.
I imagine that  
jhibb : 3/13/2019 1:43 pm : link
even if the source thought that was true, there would be significant subjectivity involved in judging what would constitute a "better offer" since there was another player involved in the deal (and not just easily-compared picks).
RE: Can you imagine if the Giants traded him to an NFCE team  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14332967 AnnapolisMike said:
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That would have been a PR disaster. At very least he had to go out of the division...and preferably the AFC.


Not saying this is true, but if you're truly trading him to rebuild screw PR and take the best offer out there. Don't be think skinned.
these pretzels  
totowa_gman : 3/13/2019 1:45 pm : link
are making me thirsty!
RE: RE: Can you imagine if the Giants traded him to an NFCE team  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14332977 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14332967 AnnapolisMike said:


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That would have been a PR disaster. At very least he had to go out of the division...and preferably the AFC.




Not saying this is true, but if you're truly trading him to rebuild screw PR and take the best offer out there. Don't be think skinned.


*thin
RE: That would be fucking annoying  
VinegarPeppers : 3/13/2019 1:46 pm : link
That's absurd. He would have come back and kicked our asses for years. This "lockerroom cancer" has always been bullshit. NY media construct.



In comment 14332921 Go Terps said:
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I'd have been fine trading him to the Eagles. That would have been like giving them footballs tainted with smallpox.
But the Giants had talks with the 49ers so trading him to an NFC team  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2019 1:47 pm : link
apparently wasn't off the table.

I don't believe this. I can understand if they didn't want him in the NFCE, but what NFC team would have realistically had a better offer? Maybe the Lions, Packers, or Panthers? San Francisco didn't want to give up their #2. The Bucs already have a top wideout and so do the Falcons. The Redskins most likely weren't an option.
RE: He said they wouldn’t trade him in the NFC...  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14332937 Sean said:
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not the division. Who knows.


This is correct, not limited to the NFCE.

Regardless, it's really another case of dumb to ignore a potentially more fruitful offer...
LMAO  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 1:59 pm : link
trade him out of the NFC as if we even have a chance to compete in the NFC for another 5 fucking years.

if they turned down a BETTER offer...it makes this move THAT MUCH WORSE. take the most you can get
Anyone who believes that Giants don't have a chance to compete  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 2:01 pm : link
in 2 years is a complete moron, let alone 5.



The Cleveland Browns are the new darlings of the NFL  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 2:05 pm : link
Let me just remind everyone of their 2016 and 2017 seasons.

I'm sure all of you NYG doomsayers had Cleveland pegged for a big 2019 and a great near future.

RE: Anyone who believes that Giants don't have a chance to compete  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14333046 Chris684 said:
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in 2 years is a complete moron, let alone 5.




They have competed once in the last 7 years, so it's actually not too far fetched.
RE: RE: Anyone who believes that Giants don't have a chance to compete  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14333070 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14333046 Chris684 said:


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in 2 years is a complete moron, let alone 5.






They have competed once in the last 7 years, so it's actually not too far fetched.


exactly

Even in a PERFECT world. we suck this year. take fromm in 2020 give him a year. thats AT LEAST two years. in that third year youre talking about an older barkley, solder needing to be replaced, zeitler moving to the wrong side of 30. in 3 years we prob need another year of tweaking. saying 5 years isnt insane at all. trading obj for less than worth and turning down a bigger offer from an nfc team is even more insane
An "older Barkley"  
Chris684 : 3/13/2019 2:11 pm : link
please make it stop!

Yea, Barkley is year 3 or 4 will be over the hill and a shell of his former self!

Better get his old man's pajamas, pipe and rocking chair ready now!
RE: An  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14333083 Chris684 said:
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please make it stop!

Yea, Barkley is year 3 or 4 will be over the hill and a shell of his former self!

Better get his old man's pajamas, pipe and rocking chair ready now!


you can laugh and talk all you want but RBs have short shelf lives in NFL and with no WRs we are going to run this guy until the fucking wheels fall off. again...i hope giants turn it around fast but we have been bad for 2 years in a row and there isnt much light at the end of the tunnel ....again turning down more from an NFC team is fucking dumb
RE: RE: Anyone who believes that Giants don't have a chance to compete  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14333070 ajr2456 said:
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They have competed once in the last 7 years, so it's actually not too far fetched.


Hmmmm, I don't know, if there's anything Cretin684 knows a thing or two about, it's being a moron.
if the locker room stuff was just a media myth,  
japanhead : 3/13/2019 2:15 pm : link
why did shurmur fine him last year for conduct detrimental to the team? the leaps some will take to defend this guy is beyond belief. is it possible he is a super talented, oft-injured malcontent? these things are not mutually exclusive..
RE: That would be fucking annoying  
The 12th Man : 3/13/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14332921 Go Terps said:
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I'd have been fine trading him to the Eagles. That would have been like giving them footballs tainted with smallpox.



You seriously are the biggest asshole on this site.
RE: RE: If OB was a “cancer,” wouldn’t we WANT to trade him in the division?  
joeinpa : 3/13/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14332972 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 14332962 TD said:


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Hmmmm.....

Such a stupid trade.. can’t get over it.



This is what makes it hard to believe that the Giants are engaging in solid analytical frameworks.

You "can't win with him" but apparently are concerned that other teams can. It is illogical.

My biggest issue with this including the timing right after the AB trade screams we were a desperate counter-party. Signing him to a deal like we did and all the smoke around trading him is desperate in it's own right.

We are a poorly led team.


Not really that hard to understand. The Giants after rewarding him with a great contract, were sick of his antics, it's that simple.

Don't blame them.
RE: RE: That would be fucking annoying  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14333095 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 14332921 Go Terps said:


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I'd have been fine trading him to the Eagles. That would have been like giving them footballs tainted with smallpox.




You seriously are the biggest asshole on this site.


Sorry you didn't see this coming. I tried.
This just solidifies how fucking dumb our front office is, if true  
jamison884 : 3/13/2019 2:51 pm : link
The only reason you wouldn't want to trade OBJ to an NFC team is because you don't want to face him in the playoffs.

But the trade in itself put the NYG in full rebuild mode. So, now you're effectively turning down a more lucrative trade to an NFC team because you don't want to play against OBJ in the playoffs, yet the NYG won't be making the fucking playoffs for a couple years at minimum due to the fact they're now in full rebuild mode because of this very trade.

By the time the NYG make the playoffs again, you shouldn't be scared of playing against a team with OBJ on it. Why? Because in the three plus years between now and when the NYG may be able to first make the playoffs again, the team surrounding both OBJ and the NYG's will be completely different. If you're STILL scared to play OBJ at that point, then that's a pretty strong hint you shouldn't have traded him to any team.

Again, if this report is true, you just got out-logic'd by a 34 year old accountant who has never played or coached football a day in his life. Pathetic.

At this point, I'd rather fire the entire front office full of so-called football minds and just hire some legitimately intelligent 20-somethings who are fans of the game and let them use their brain power to build a team and see what happens.
We did not turn down a better offer.  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2019 2:52 pm : link
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Not surprising.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2019 2:54 pm : link
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The number of news stories that are called  
NoGainDayne : 3/13/2019 3:52 pm : link
"untrue" on this site by Giants homerists is really alarming.

Meanwhile stories that release information are released after the fanbase is already upset about a particular course of action taken as gospel is equally alarming.

I'm having trouble understanding the psychology behind wanting to characterize the Giants as well run when the results scream otherwise.
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