I have a feeling they see him as the starting C. If Bobby hart got 7 mil for 3 I’m really fine with contact. Especially since it looks like 2 mill won’t help us much this yr anyway.
We have over 20M in cap space and we're worrying about a 2M contract, Â
Eric? That contract won't get in our way at all, not this year or ever. And if Pulley wins the starting job it's certainly within the right range for a starting C and protects the position for 3 years.
I can't recall the player names, but Eric seems to do this with at Â
If he turns out to be decent, they have him locked up for cheap for 3 years. The odds of that seem pretty low based on his play, but $2.3M isn't too touch a pill to swallow.
RE: We have over 20M in cap space and we're worrying about a 2M contract, Â
Eric? That contract won't get in our way at all, not this year or ever. And if Pulley wins the starting job it's certainly within the right range for a starting C and protects the position for 3 years.
Every million dollar counts. Why spend $2 million in guaranteed money for a guy who everyone wanted replaced? Go back and look at the tape. Pulley lived in our backfield.
RE: I can't recall the player names, but Eric seems to do this with at Â
operated before Gettleman? Much of a difference from John Jerry (position aside)? A player who they should be looking to push off the roster getting paid mid-level starter money (maybe a little lower, but not by much).
RE: Honestly, does this seem very different from the way the Giants Â
operated before Gettleman? Much of a difference from John Jerry (position aside)? A player who they should be looking to push off the roster getting paid mid-level starter money (maybe a little lower, but not by much).
Yes, this seems like something Jerry Reese would have done. Doubling down on a mistake.
If you want to bring Pulley back for another look, offer him a 1-year, minimum-type deal. If he leaves, big deal. Halapio and Evan Brown are already here and they will probably draft a center.
Yup, and last year it was Greco. Who we also should NOT have re-signed.
Why shouldn't they have? How much money do you want to splurge on backups? How many great backup linemen are there in the NFL just sitting around waiting to get signed? It took a waiver wire claim just to grab a guy like Jamon Brown. Greco signed for a measely $1m. It was nothing. Cheap insurance. And you about had a heart attack.
RE: RE: Honestly, does this seem very different from the way the Giants Â
operated before Gettleman? Much of a difference from John Jerry (position aside)? A player who they should be looking to push off the roster getting paid mid-level starter money (maybe a little lower, but not by much).
Yes, this seems like something Jerry Reese would have done. Doubling down on a mistake.
If you want to bring Pulley back for another look, offer him a 1-year, minimum-type deal. If he leaves, big deal. Halapio and Evan Brown are already here and they will probably draft a center.
Say what you want about Gettleman but I think he's proven that he doesn't double down on mistakes.
Well lets hope we don't have to see him again for most of the season. If he spends the season on the bench, or has to come in for spot duty, I'm fine with that.
How is this not a 1 year prove it contract? He has $0 GTD post-2019... Â
The last 2 years are more for our benefit than his. If he wins the starting job we have a very cheap center for 3 years. If he loses it we either keep him as a backup or cut him. They used to use the same types of contracts with guys like Boothe.
Has he done anything to earn more than the minimum to this point? No. But if he has a big 1 year prove it deal without the options, his price could go up significantly next year. They gave him an extra $1.5m to get 2 option years because they think there's some upside.
Gets more support here then he deserves. Thus far, IMO, he is a disaster. You can argue his first draft was good, far from great, but his free agent signings, trades, etc. have been awful. First job as a GM is to evaluate the talent you have when you arrive. Gettleman couldn't have miscalculated more on this if he was blind.
Bobby hart got 21 million. Spencer pulley basically got 1 year 2.35 million. You can't pay a guy much less who is a free agent. He was not good but I don't mind him playing a game or 2 here or there. I thought he showed potential. He is a perfect age and hadn't really gotten a chance before last year. He is an average backup center. You guys are fucking brutal. Someone said thats starter money? 3 years 8 milion with 2.35 guaranteed? Thats scrub money.
Gettelmen likes halipo seems shurmer does too. I am perfectly fine letting those 2 duke it out for the starting center job and not wasting any more resources for a center. RT is a huge position of need.
all this talk about Reese's mistakes. The guy was with the organization for 23 years, many of those successful, including 2 SBs, neither of which would have occurred without absolutely nailing the '07 draft when picking 19th, not 2nd, and getting JPP and Cruz. Yes it was time for a change, but come on with all of this re-writing of history that says Reese was some blundering buffoon.
RE: RE: I can't recall the player names, but Eric seems to do this with at Â
Yup, and last year it was Greco. Who we also should NOT have re-signed.
I agree 100% .. it's not the money, I thought he stunk and with 3 5th, 1 6th, 2 7th round picks we could have gotten someone as good ... that said.. if you view Halapio as someone who can move to guard if there is an injury than having 3mio combined committed to the two players is pretty reasonable..
I'd have to see what it costs in dead money to cut Pulley after the season. I didnt agree with the Stewart signing last year but cutting him costs 325k this year, Webb has more dead cap space this year than him. This isnt something to lose sleep over.
I also think the Giants arent doing anything in FA.. and I think that is an effort to make sure they get a lot of picks in 2020 via the compensation thing. This is actually something I agree 100% with as if Jamon Brown is getting what he is getting and Collins is getting what he is getting than FA is nowhere near value. (Also see Pugh & Richburg)
He's being greatly overpaid for a replacement level player?
$2.325 million guaranteed for a player who should have received a 1-year, prove-it contract.
Really? We just gave more than $2 million in guaranteed money to a player who may not start or even make the team.
Actually, Halapio "only" got his tender, 1-year, $645,000.
Agree, he's terrible. Has to be for depth, assuming he can play guard if need be.
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It's a lot more money than he deserves, that's for sure.
Every million dollar counts. Why spend $2 million in guaranteed money for a guy who everyone wanted replaced? Go back and look at the tape. Pulley lived in our backfield.
Yup, and last year it was Greco. Who we also should NOT have re-signed.
Yes, this seems like something Jerry Reese would have done. Doubling down on a mistake.
If you want to bring Pulley back for another look, offer him a 1-year, minimum-type deal. If he leaves, big deal. Halapio and Evan Brown are already here and they will probably draft a center.
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least one minor signing every offseason lol
Yup, and last year it was Greco. Who we also should NOT have re-signed.
Why shouldn't they have? How much money do you want to splurge on backups? How many great backup linemen are there in the NFL just sitting around waiting to get signed? It took a waiver wire claim just to grab a guy like Jamon Brown. Greco signed for a measely $1m. It was nothing. Cheap insurance. And you about had a heart attack.
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operated before Gettleman? Much of a difference from John Jerry (position aside)? A player who they should be looking to push off the roster getting paid mid-level starter money (maybe a little lower, but not by much).
Yes, this seems like something Jerry Reese would have done. Doubling down on a mistake.
If you want to bring Pulley back for another look, offer him a 1-year, minimum-type deal. If he leaves, big deal. Halapio and Evan Brown are already here and they will probably draft a center.
Say what you want about Gettleman but I think he's proven that he doesn't double down on mistakes.
Well lets hope we don't have to see him again for most of the season. If he spends the season on the bench, or has to come in for spot duty, I'm fine with that.
2020 - 2.6m (0 gtd)
2021 - 2.6m (0 gtd)
The last 2 years are more for our benefit than his. If he wins the starting job we have a very cheap center for 3 years. If he loses it we either keep him as a backup or cut him. They used to use the same types of contracts with guys like Boothe.
Has he done anything to earn more than the minimum to this point? No. But if he has a big 1 year prove it deal without the options, his price could go up significantly next year. They gave him an extra $1.5m to get 2 option years because they think there's some upside.
Spencer Pulley OTC - ( New Window )
With the rebuild in progress, Pulley has a legitimate chance to be the only guy on the 2nd/3rd level of the depth chart that has NFL starts.
Eric - what current FA is probably a better value? What backup inside player is likely to be cut and signed at a better value?
Gettelmen likes halipo seems shurmer does too. I am perfectly fine letting those 2 duke it out for the starting center job and not wasting any more resources for a center. RT is a huge position of need.
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least one minor signing every offseason lol
Yup, and last year it was Greco. Who we also should NOT have re-signed.
I agree 100% .. it's not the money, I thought he stunk and with 3 5th, 1 6th, 2 7th round picks we could have gotten someone as good ... that said.. if you view Halapio as someone who can move to guard if there is an injury than having 3mio combined committed to the two players is pretty reasonable..
I'd have to see what it costs in dead money to cut Pulley after the season. I didnt agree with the Stewart signing last year but cutting him costs 325k this year, Webb has more dead cap space this year than him. This isnt something to lose sleep over.
I also think the Giants arent doing anything in FA.. and I think that is an effort to make sure they get a lot of picks in 2020 via the compensation thing. This is actually something I agree 100% with as if Jamon Brown is getting what he is getting and Collins is getting what he is getting than FA is nowhere near value. (Also see Pugh & Richburg)