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Browns official comments on Beckham trade

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 4:08 pm
John Dorsey on Odell: "Very rarely do you get a chance to acquire a player of this magnitude. He's at a relatively young age. He's got a lot of football left in him. Great hands, great work ethic, committed, competitive, he really wants to be great. That's all you can ask for."
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RE: I fucking hate  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14333652 mattyblue said:
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Gettleman


yea this is how im feeling. im sick over this
RE: RE: I fucking hate  
terz22 : 3/13/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14333667 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14333652 mattyblue said:


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Gettleman



yea this is how im feeling. im sick over this


Same here. Still in disbelief.
Gettleman responds...  
bceagle05 : 3/13/2019 4:13 pm : link
"Very rarely do you get a chance to dump a player of this magnitude. Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams were small potatoes. He's at a relatively young age. He's got a lot of football left in him. Great hands, great work ethic, committed, competitive, he really wants to be great. That's all you can ask for."
RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
Danny Kanell : 3/13/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:
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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.


To be fair, I think the best offensive player in NY Giants history is on the current roster.
RE:  
Beer Man : 3/13/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14333650 terz22 said:
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Wait....ooo yeah about that.
Its all part of the game
RE: RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14333672 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.



To be fair, I think the best offensive player in NY Giants history is on the current roster.


fine....but OBJ was second best then. the guy was absiolutely dynamic. people forget the ravens game. dallas game, the guy took slants for 70 and a score to win. the guy is a special talent. one we prob wont have for a while again. OBJs arent just falling off trees.
RE: RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14333672 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.



To be fair, I think the best offensive player in NY Giants history is on the current roster.


Yeah we'll see. It's a throwing league, and Saquon's receiving skills are great, but still. A great RB is not necessary to be good. Can you say the same about WR?
He's talking about Eli, I'd imagine  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 4:17 pm : link
Eli's not like Beckham; he's done shit on the NFL that actually matters.
watching NFLN  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2019 4:20 pm : link
this shit is sickening
RE: He's talking about Eli, I'd imagine  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14333699 Go Terps said:
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Eli's not like Beckham; he's done shit on the NFL that actually matters.


Oh brother.
The real kick in the ass would be if Vernon manages to be  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 4:21 pm : link
healthy. When he's healthy, he's a very good player. They could end up taking two guys the Giants couldn't do jack shit with and turn them into wins.
RE: He sounds as dumb as our fans have these last few years  
The 12th Man : 3/13/2019 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14333648 Go Terps said:
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Another official moronic comment by you. Do just make comments to piss people off? He is going to light it up in Cleveland. Can not wait.
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Platos : 3/13/2019 4:23 pm : link
none of you here have had to deal with multi-million dollar malcontents so please slow down on calling DG an idiot.

1) Beckham wanted more money after Brown got his bump with oakland. How big of a baby do you have to be to immediately want more money after someone else makes a little more? go ask mara for some money under the table or something, why do you NEED a new contract? ego.

2) Beckham, instead of doing what EVERY other player in the league does when interviewed(which is give canned "i love it here" answers) decided to passive aggressively trash Eli who has done nothing but throw that bastards way. this was AFTER the giants made him the highest paid receiver ever...

if we drafted rosen/darnold/allen he'd of done the same shit. stop fooling yourselves.

the guy can go fly a kite or whatever you old guys used to say back in the day lol
RE: Gettleman responds...  
bw in dc : 3/13/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14333671 bceagle05 said:
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"Very rarely do you get a chance to dump a player of this magnitude. Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams were small potatoes. He's at a relatively young age. He's got a lot of football left in him. Great hands, great work ethic, committed, competitive, he really wants to be great. That's all you can ask for."


That was funny.
20 minutes in  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 4:23 pm : link
no statement from the Giants.

Gettleman waiting for the Commodore to boot up?
12th Man  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 4:24 pm : link
I know you can't wait. You probably already bought the Browns jersey. Enjoy following him on Instagram.
RE: He sounds as dumb as our fans have these last few years  
Les in TO : 3/13/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14333648 Go Terps said:
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you really need help or medication.
Kim Jones  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 4:29 pm : link
was on the NFL Network saying how Odell reached out to her during her medical issue.
RE: .  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14333729 Platos said:
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none of you here have had to deal with multi-million dollar malcontents so please slow down on calling DG an idiot.

1) Beckham wanted more money after Brown got his bump with oakland. How big of a baby do you have to be to immediately want more money after someone else makes a little more? go ask mara for some money under the table or something, why do you NEED a new contract? ego.

2) Beckham, instead of doing what EVERY other player in the league does when interviewed(which is give canned "i love it here" answers) decided to passive aggressively trash Eli who has done nothing but throw that bastards way. this was AFTER the giants made him the highest paid receiver ever...

if we drafted rosen/darnold/allen he'd of done the same shit. stop fooling yourselves.

the guy can go fly a kite or whatever you old guys used to say back in the day lol


First of all, most of this is rumor. Secondly, if Gettleman or Shurmer can't handle diva WRs asking for more money, they're in the wrong business. There are ALWAYS going to be players on the team who think they should be paid more money and this is why they pay them the big bucks.

And none of this has obviously affected OBJs production on the field. If he is second to Brown as far as wide receivers, we should also take into account that Brown has played with a QB who is 20 places higher than Eli in career passer rating.

I can't wait to see what OBJ does in Cleveland with Mayfield. On top of trading our best player, the return was garbage.
RE: RE: .  
GiantGrit : 3/13/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14333772 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 14333729 Platos said:


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none of you here have had to deal with multi-million dollar malcontents so please slow down on calling DG an idiot.

1) Beckham wanted more money after Brown got his bump with oakland. How big of a baby do you have to be to immediately want more money after someone else makes a little more? go ask mara for some money under the table or something, why do you NEED a new contract? ego.

2) Beckham, instead of doing what EVERY other player in the league does when interviewed(which is give canned "i love it here" answers) decided to passive aggressively trash Eli who has done nothing but throw that bastards way. this was AFTER the giants made him the highest paid receiver ever...

if we drafted rosen/darnold/allen he'd of done the same shit. stop fooling yourselves.

the guy can go fly a kite or whatever you old guys used to say back in the day lol



First of all, most of this is rumor. Secondly, if Gettleman or Shurmer can't handle diva WRs asking for more money, they're in the wrong business. There are ALWAYS going to be players on the team who think they should be paid more money and this is why they pay them the big bucks.

And none of this has obviously affected OBJs production on the field. If he is second to Brown as far as wide receivers, we should also take into account that Brown has played with a QB who is 20 places higher than Eli in career passer rating.

I can't wait to see what OBJ does in Cleveland with Mayfield. On top of trading our best player, the return was garbage.


what part of that was rumor? Its true. Complain about the compensation all you want, the baggage can't be disputed.
I am sick  
Giants in 07 : 3/13/2019 4:38 pm : link
They have to go get Kyler Murray or do something to generate some sort of buzz.

I really think this could be a black cloud kind of thing that hangs over this franchise for years.

Almost 24 hours later....I'm just as floored as when I first heard.
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mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14333800 GiantGrit said:
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In comment 14333729 Platos said:


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none of you here have had to deal with multi-million dollar malcontents so please slow down on calling DG an idiot.

1) Beckham wanted more money after Brown got his bump with oakland. How big of a baby do you have to be to immediately want more money after someone else makes a little more? go ask mara for some money under the table or something, why do you NEED a new contract? ego.

2) Beckham, instead of doing what EVERY other player in the league does when interviewed(which is give canned "i love it here" answers) decided to passive aggressively trash Eli who has done nothing but throw that bastards way. this was AFTER the giants made him the highest paid receiver ever...

if we drafted rosen/darnold/allen he'd of done the same shit. stop fooling yourselves.

the guy can go fly a kite or whatever you old guys used to say back in the day lol



First of all, most of this is rumor. Secondly, if Gettleman or Shurmer can't handle diva WRs asking for more money, they're in the wrong business. There are ALWAYS going to be players on the team who think they should be paid more money and this is why they pay them the big bucks.

And none of this has obviously affected OBJs production on the field. If he is second to Brown as far as wide receivers, we should also take into account that Brown has played with a QB who is 20 places higher than Eli in career passer rating.

I can't wait to see what OBJ does in Cleveland with Mayfield. On top of trading our best player, the return was garbage.



what part of that was rumor? Its true. Complain about the compensation all you want, the baggage can't be disputed.


If the baggage affected his production you'd have a point. I don't give a flying fuck at a donut about his antics, he won games for the Giants sometimes single handedly. Reese failed him by forgetting how to draft and he got sick of losing. Let's see how good a citizen Barkley is after three years of averaging 150+ yds a game and not going to the playoffs.
4:40 and still no comment from the Giants, the cowards  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 4:42 pm : link
Wait, let me quick get you that money you just invoiced me.
RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
Bernie : 3/13/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:
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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.


Really? I hope when he comes in here the Giants rip his fucking head off. He is now the "competition" as Parcells used to say.
RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
BillKo : 3/13/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:
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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.


I was kinda hoping a defensive player lays into him with a hit......and we win the game.
RE: RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
BillKo : 3/13/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14333851 Bernie said:
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In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.



Really? I hope when he comes in here the Giants rip his fucking head off. He is now the "competition" as Parcells used to say.


LOL..you said it with more intensity Bernie!!!
.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 4:55 pm : link
The Browns are essentially giving Freddie Kitchens an all-star team and saying "win or die"

This guy is getting no leash. I hope he's ready for it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
GiantGrit : 3/13/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14333819 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 14333772 mikeinbloomfield said:


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In comment 14333729 Platos said:


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none of you here have had to deal with multi-million dollar malcontents so please slow down on calling DG an idiot.

1) Beckham wanted more money after Brown got his bump with oakland. How big of a baby do you have to be to immediately want more money after someone else makes a little more? go ask mara for some money under the table or something, why do you NEED a new contract? ego.

2) Beckham, instead of doing what EVERY other player in the league does when interviewed(which is give canned "i love it here" answers) decided to passive aggressively trash Eli who has done nothing but throw that bastards way. this was AFTER the giants made him the highest paid receiver ever...

if we drafted rosen/darnold/allen he'd of done the same shit. stop fooling yourselves.

the guy can go fly a kite or whatever you old guys used to say back in the day lol



First of all, most of this is rumor. Secondly, if Gettleman or Shurmer can't handle diva WRs asking for more money, they're in the wrong business. There are ALWAYS going to be players on the team who think they should be paid more money and this is why they pay them the big bucks.

And none of this has obviously affected OBJs production on the field. If he is second to Brown as far as wide receivers, we should also take into account that Brown has played with a QB who is 20 places higher than Eli in career passer rating.

I can't wait to see what OBJ does in Cleveland with Mayfield. On top of trading our best player, the return was garbage.



what part of that was rumor? Its true. Complain about the compensation all you want, the baggage can't be disputed.



If the baggage affected his production you'd have a point. I don't give a flying fuck at a donut about his antics, he won games for the Giants sometimes single handedly. Reese failed him by forgetting how to draft and he got sick of losing. Let's see how good a citizen Barkley is after three years of averaging 150+ yds a game and not going to the playoffs.


The baggage clearly affected the culture this team wants. Baggage also includes injury concerns. He got paid the biggest WR deal and bitched halfway into the season. The baggage did affect his production - he milked his injury at the end of the year.
RE: 20 minutes in  
uther99 : 3/13/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14333734 ajr2456 said:
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no statement from the Giants.

Gettleman waiting for the Commodore to boot up?


left the his notes on a 5.25 floppy in his other fanny pack
...  
Platos : 3/13/2019 5:01 pm : link
[quote]If the baggage affected his production you'd have a point. I don't give a flying fuck at a donut about his antics, he won games for the Giants sometimes single handedly. Reese failed him by forgetting how to draft and he got sick of losing. Let's see how good a citizen Barkley is after three years of averaging 150+ yds a game and not going to the playoffs./quote]

Mike in Bloomfield how about Reese failed Eli who won him 2 championships by only getting him a great WR and NOTHING ELSE in terms of a winning football team???



oh, here we go with the poor, poor Eli stuff  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 5:02 pm : link
Right on cue
Oh please. Beckham has been a damn mile and a half ahead of any Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 5:02 pm : link
employee in terms of job performance for years. You knuckle draggers are lost.
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mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14333904 GiantGrit said:
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none of you here have had to deal with multi-million dollar malcontents so please slow down on calling DG an idiot.

1) Beckham wanted more money after Brown got his bump with oakland. How big of a baby do you have to be to immediately want more money after someone else makes a little more? go ask mara for some money under the table or something, why do you NEED a new contract? ego.

2) Beckham, instead of doing what EVERY other player in the league does when interviewed(which is give canned "i love it here" answers) decided to passive aggressively trash Eli who has done nothing but throw that bastards way. this was AFTER the giants made him the highest paid receiver ever...

if we drafted rosen/darnold/allen he'd of done the same shit. stop fooling yourselves.

the guy can go fly a kite or whatever you old guys used to say back in the day lol



First of all, most of this is rumor. Secondly, if Gettleman or Shurmer can't handle diva WRs asking for more money, they're in the wrong business. There are ALWAYS going to be players on the team who think they should be paid more money and this is why they pay them the big bucks.

And none of this has obviously affected OBJs production on the field. If he is second to Brown as far as wide receivers, we should also take into account that Brown has played with a QB who is 20 places higher than Eli in career passer rating.

I can't wait to see what OBJ does in Cleveland with Mayfield. On top of trading our best player, the return was garbage.



what part of that was rumor? Its true. Complain about the compensation all you want, the baggage can't be disputed.



If the baggage affected his production you'd have a point. I don't give a flying fuck at a donut about his antics, he won games for the Giants sometimes single handedly. Reese failed him by forgetting how to draft and he got sick of losing. Let's see how good a citizen Barkley is after three years of averaging 150+ yds a game and not going to the playoffs.



The baggage clearly affected the culture this team wants. Baggage also includes injury concerns. He got paid the biggest WR deal and bitched halfway into the season. The baggage did affect his production - he milked his injury at the end of the year.


Who led the Giants in receiving yardage and TDs?
RE: 12th Man  
The 12th Man : 3/13/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14333735 Go Terps said:
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I know you can't wait. You probably already bought the Browns jersey. Enjoy following him on Instagram.


No douche bag, I was born a Giants fan and will die one. I can almost guarantee that I have been following them before the best part of you ran down your Mom's leg. I will root for him to be successful. I do believe he was mis-judged and I do believe he will be successful. I believe we got worse today and for the next few years over this decision. You do not trade Elite players unless you get a elite return. That did not happen. But, I guess it is okay for you, because it is not about whether we got better, it is about that your happy he is gone.
RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/13/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:
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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.


Me too. The Giants have reached new lows and while I have barely missed a game in the last 25 years it may be time to skip out on the season. I do t have a desire o spend my money on this product and a new #1 wr in SS who looks like he is running through quicksand at all times.
WAIT JUST A MINUTE!  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/13/2019 5:14 pm : link
People are already putting Odell in the hall? That CLOWN hasn't won 1 playoff game yet. Dude is NOT prime time! Why he so special? One highlight catch? He is hot on insta? He popularized a hairdo? Iverson did that too but actually won games in the playoffs and was MVP, whats OBJ accomplished? Quit on his team and never play a full season? Toxic to impressionable teammates? Give me a break.
Anyone who references 1 player and a non QB to discuss records  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/13/2019 5:19 pm : link
(Or playoff records) in a game that includes 11 offensive players 11 defensive players and a whole bunch of special teams units is a simpleton.
RE: I am sick  
DonQuixote : 3/13/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14333813 Giants in 07 said:
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They have to go get Kyler Murray or do something to generate some sort of buzz.

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And why exactly must they do something to generate some sort of buzz?
RE: oh, here we go with the poor, poor Eli stuff  
djm : 3/13/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14333960 Greg from LI said:
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Right on cue


You disagree? Look at the facts, Greg. How many average, not even good, just average defenses has Eli been a part of here?

The answer is downright grotesque. You’re damn right poor Eli.
poor eli  
Platos : 3/13/2019 5:54 pm : link
played behind some of the crappiest patchworked lines ever.

and in that time managed to get Beckham the ball making him HOF status.

give the fucking guy credit and then give him some more credit for not being an asshole and throwing his team under the bus!(i mean, outside of what he did to SD)

RE: RE: oh, here we go with the poor, poor Eli stuff  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14334090 djm said:
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Right on cue



You disagree? Look at the facts, Greg. How many average, not even good, just average defenses has Eli been a part of here?

The answer is downright grotesque. You’re damn right poor Eli.


THat defense gave him the opportunity to win his first championship.

There's no debt to fucking repay here.
RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/13/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:
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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.


Maybe you missed it, but he was eclipsed as best O player ever in Giants' history this past year by Saquon.

Who doesn't sit out games with questionable muscle contusions, and doesn't throw his team mates under a bus in interviews.
RE: RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 6:03 pm : link
In comment 14334230 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.



Maybe you missed it, but he was eclipsed as best O player ever in Giants' history this past year by Saquon.

Who doesn't sit out games with questionable muscle contusions, and doesn't throw his team mates under a bus in interviews.


Start small here. Saquon hasn't even eclipsed Tiki Barber's best season.
RE: WAIT JUST A MINUTE!  
Greg from LI : 3/13/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14334015 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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Why he so special?


Third all time in receiving yards per game of all players through their age 26 season. Tenth in TDs despite playing in 15-35 fewer games than all but one man ahead of him. Tenth in receptions, same thing with the fewer games.

You may hate him, but he's been obscenely productive.
RE: Meanwhile, Gettleman will make a statement  
PatersonPlank : 3/13/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14333646 Greg from LI said:
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Just as soon as the Father Dowling Mysteries are over.


You owe me $4.50. I just spit my beer all over the table. I'll send you my PayPal.
RE: RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
Matt M. : 3/13/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14333672 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.



To be fair, I think the best offensive player in NY Giants history is on the current roster.
I would agree, but OBJ, in my opinion, has the chance to be the best WR ever. We could have had 2 of the top 5 offensive players in the league every year for the next 5 years or more.
RE: RE: WAIT JUST A MINUTE!  
Matt M. : 3/13/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14334273 Greg from LI said:
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Why he so special?



Third all time in receiving yards per game of all players through their age 26 season. Tenth in TDs despite playing in 15-35 fewer games than all but one man ahead of him. Tenth in receptions, same thing with the fewer games.

You may hate him, but he's been obscenely productive.
Absolutely. Until this past season, when he had the misfortune of playing on the same team as Barkley, I have continuously called him the best offensive player in my lifetime. And, yes, I realize that lifetime includes Rice, Sanders, Payton, etc. I still think he is that good and has a chance to go down as the best WR ever if he plays long enough.

I've gotten over the shock of the trade and my anger/disappointment is waning. But, in my opinion, Gettleman has to hit a fucking HR up and down this draft to make this draft remotely work. However, I fear he will take the acquisition of the #17 pick to use #6 on a QB who is nowhere near worthy of it.
RE: RE: Still un-fucking believeable  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14334230 BlueLou'sBack said:
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In comment 14333663 mikeinbloomfield said:


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I hope he comes in here in 2020 goes for 200 yds and a couple TDs.

Best offensive player in NY Giants history.



Maybe you missed it, but he was eclipsed as best O player ever in Giants' history

this past year by Saquon.

Who doesn't sit out games with questionable muscle contusions, and doesn't throw his team mates under a bus in interviews


Even sitting out 4 games this year he led the giants in receiving yards and TDs. I could give a flying screw about interviews.
was pissed about the trade  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 9:02 pm : link
but if the reports are true about him being increasingly difficult to work with. makes sense.

worst part of it -highlighted two idiotic BBI mindsets - those who refuse to consider that maybe he was too much of a pain in the ass for coaches to deal with and thise that try to diminish his generational talent and make him out to be enroute to becoming a serial killer.
all things considered  
bc4life : 3/13/2019 9:45 pm : link
best landing spot for OBJ might have been New England
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