Makes sense in that she seems to have an emotional attachment to Odell that is unprofessional. Same with Saquon.
or maybe she just loves her job? maybe she just sees that the players are fucking people with emotions. sorry eric but that comment seemed a little low lol
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
sure. but her sharing a story about how OBJ reached out is wrong? They are around players all day long. it isnt wrong for them to have some sort of connection. she shared her story about a time with OBJ and how she felt he was a good guy. i dont see anything wrong. she wasnt crying because he was gone, she got emotional because someone unrelated to her and with no attachment showed he gave a shit. its completely the opposite of the picture most of the media paints
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
Amen brother. They are either good guys or heels when it comes to players and teams. It's WWE reporting and cheer-leading and it's sickening. More sickening is people acting like their spouses just got diagnosed with leukemia. We traded a WR, OH NOES! Go cry in your footy pj's, make a warm cup of cocoa and get to bed while the grownups discuss football.
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
100% agree. PLus, no offense BleedBlue but you have made it very clear how you feel about OBJ and the trade. So, no matter what anyone else says, if it goes against OBJ in any way you will be up in arms about it.
I'm sure that she's a nice lady and all, but I have no idea why people think she's some great reporter. Her questions are always about how players and coaches are feeling after a win or a loss.
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
100% agree. PLus, no offense BleedBlue but you have made it very clear how you feel about OBJ and the trade. So, no matter what anyone else says, if it goes against OBJ in any way you will be up in arms about it.
not true at all. the giants had to get rid of him. he has wore out his welcome, im just pissed they didnt get a nice package for him. he is dynamic and we will miss him, but the sting would be less if we had significant picks to rebuild. we got #17 at all thats basically a coin flip rate and the last pick in third round...
from a lot of people because he looks like he's got some sugar in his tank and can dominate the game when not being a douche. thats what i gathered when arguing with people over the years.
he got a worse rap by not performing when it mattered because he was either on the field dropping passes or not playing at all(injured)
I'm sure he was a likeable guy to teammates. who wouldn't want to play with someone with that talent? I'm sure some of the media workers loved him(women especially).
that shit doesn't win games though. we need someone who doesn't toss gasoline on the flames. the teams been shit for 6 years, we know we need a new QB. would it have been better to draft rosen/darnold/allen and still have Beckham act an ass because we'd of still been a sub-8 win team...
When we have to slag off media persons to feel better about ourselves and trading Beckham.
Slag off? I'll have to look that one up.
Kim almost died. A player she has interviewed regularly pulled his phone out of his pocket and sent her a "get well" text. The argument here seems to be that the text should have been a factor in not trading Beckham? I know we're all supposed to be touchy feely now, but I don't understand that logic.
(And I'm no great critic of Beckham or defender of Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur).
When we have to slag off media persons to feel better about ourselves and trading Beckham.
Slag off? I'll have to look that one up.
Kim almost died. A player she has interviewed regularly pulled his phone out of his pocket and sent her a "get well" text. The argument here seems to be that the text should have been a factor in not trading Beckham? I know we're all supposed to be touchy feely now, but I don't understand that logic.
(And I'm no great critic of Beckham or defender of Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur).
he didnt just say get well. he sent a video, etc etc. point being, he showed he gave a shit and she just felt bad he got a bad rap and wasnt actually a bad dude. i dont get why thats a problem. and by slag off, i think he meant you insinuating something unprofessional between the two
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
Agree 100%. She has some egg on her face with that report on NFL Network hours before the trade happened. Essentially accusing reporters of making up news and/or sources re: a potential trade.
When we have to slag off media persons to feel better about ourselves and trading Beckham.
Slag off? I'll have to look that one up.
Kim almost died. A player she has interviewed regularly pulled his phone out of his pocket and sent her a "get well" text. The argument here seems to be that the text should have been a factor in not trading Beckham? I know we're all supposed to be touchy feely now, but I don't understand that logic.
(And I'm no great critic of Beckham or defender of Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur).
It may be British, I'm not a native speaker. Anyway, you're not the worst offender, but some sounded a little too eager to put her down for this.
On the flip side, Glazer should have simply taken his victory lap by remaining silent. Instead, he's been tweeting like a child about this for 24 hours. Comes across as having a thin skin.
Methinks you are right, however, in that Kim took a hit on this as she mocked the trade rumors just hours before the trade.
need to rethink about how to view journalists in the world today. Sports is a 24/7 industry and it sells papers. When there's no news, you write opinion pieces or opine about different topics related to the team. That's not not reporting, that's the industry. They do both.
I just think it's insane at how upset people get over the Giants journalists on this site. The amount of hatred and vitriol spewed toward some of the beat guys is insane. They're writing about a team who's not actually making news every day. No one would read them if all they ever did was report facts.
need to rethink about how to view journalists in the world today. Sports is a 24/7 industry and it sells papers. When there's no news, you write opinion pieces or opine about different topics related to the team. That's not not reporting, that's the industry. They do both.
I just think it's insane at how upset people get over the Giants journalists on this site. The amount of hatred and vitriol spewed toward some of the beat guys is insane. They're writing about a team who's not actually making news every day. No one would read them if all they ever did was report facts.
It's a two-way street. If Politi and Leonard are going to write snot-nosed, venomous articles about the players they are covering, they are fair game too.
You don't see people around here dumping on Mike Garafolo (an Eagles fan) because he was a pro. There used to be a NYT writer who covered the Giants who was awesome too (I forget his name - I think he was a baseball guy too). You don't see many people attack Tom Rock, Art Stapleton, Paul Schwartz (other than for being a mouthpiece for the org at times).
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
I believe you are out of line. You can be entitled to your opinion, but I do not believe her personal beliefs ever got in the way of her reporting. She said unless they got blown away she did not believe he would be moved. Do the rest of us feel the same way, I sure as hell think so. We did not get enough for him. She shared a personal story, just as many other reporters have about their personal experiences. She has been honest about her beliefs from the start. I believe you questioning her ethical stance on how she reported this story is frankly, disgraceful.
but it means absolutely nothing as it relates to the Giants. Nobody came on here and said that OBJ was the worst person in the world or that he did not have any redeeming qualities about him. The allegation was that he was immature and was not worth the headache that he caused. This gesture he did to Kim Jones was certainly nice, but it proves nothing in this argument and it does not make anyone right about what kind of teammate or distraction he was. I am sure most, if not all, players who are moved due to character concerns have made nice gestures in their life. Please, this is so stupid.
need to rethink about how to view journalists in the world today. Sports is a 24/7 industry and it sells papers. When there's no news, you write opinion pieces or opine about different topics related to the team. That's not not reporting, that's the industry. They do both.
I just think it's insane at how upset people get over the Giants journalists on this site. The amount of hatred and vitriol spewed toward some of the beat guys is insane. They're writing about a team who's not actually making news every day. No one would read them if all they ever did was report facts.
It's a two-way street. If Politi and Leonard are going to write snot-nosed, venomous articles about the players they are covering, they are fair game too.
You don't see people around here dumping on Mike Garafolo (an Eagles fan) because he was a pro. There used to be a NYT writer who covered the Giants who was awesome too (I forget his name - I think he was a baseball guy too). You don't see many people attack Tom Rock, Art Stapleton, Paul Schwartz (other than for being a mouthpiece for the org at times).
No doubt. Some are better than others and some tend more toward negative than positive. But honestly, the Giants the last 5 years or so have been a pretty bad time to be a fan. So maybe some of the articles are negative and not malicious. I think that's a pretty important distinction that fandom has a hard time differentiating.
I'm guilty of it too at times, so I'm not saying I'm above it. I'm saying that if you step back and look at what sports journalism is, or sports media might be better, and how it's trended over the last 20 years, we're not getting facts from article. That's not what people are interested in, they're interested in takes. I don't think they're villains. Half the time I think they're just trying to find different ways to look at commonly talked about issues.
I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
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RE: Kim Jones is more than entitled to share her personal story Â
but it means absolutely nothing as it relates to the Giants. Nobody came on here and said that OBJ was the worst person in the world or that he did not have any redeeming qualities about him. The allegation was that he was immature and was not worth the headache that he caused. This gesture he did to Kim Jones was certainly nice, but it proves nothing in this argument and it does not make anyone right about what kind of teammate or distraction he was. I am sure most, if not all, players who are moved due to character concerns have made nice gestures in their life. Please, this is so stupid.
There’s more to this whole thing than just football. That may not matter to you and that’s fine, but her feelings aren’t stupid. Her life is covering sports, this was obviously important to her.
Kim is awesome, beats listening to just about every other person in the business. She does a much better job than most when reporting.
In what universe should the criticism he received for a litany of things he did that showed a lack of maturity/awareness and caused distractions for the team, make him misunderstood.
I like Kim but her emotional attachment to Beckham Should have no bearing on how one feels about this trade.
The "reporting" by Leonard and Politi has been simply mean-spirited and toxic. Most fans avoid them like the plague. Market speaks. Why do you think everyone was so bummed when Garafolo left?
We'll agree to disagree. I think it is clear cut that her personal opinions influenced her reporting.
How? She said that she did not believe the Giants would trade without getting a big haul. What in that statement is unprofessional. She said a 3rd and 5th would never get it done for Odell. Was she wrong? Even Garfolo last night said he did not believe the rumors were true at this point. Was he unprofessional too? He is the one who broke the freaking story. Kim was giving her honest opinion, so because she was being honest and genuine she was unprofessional, you are way off base.
She is absolutely spot on! I am sick to my stomach.
he can. i think her point was he is a good guy and actually cared
Agree.. People here will look for anything to support their beliefs..
or maybe she just loves her job? maybe she just sees that the players are fucking people with emotions. sorry eric but that comment seemed a little low lol
I agree with her but it seems management obviously didn't.
it wasnt about her health scare as much as it was about how she saw beckham. i found it surprising so i posted. sorry if it bothers you
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
sure. but her sharing a story about how OBJ reached out is wrong? They are around players all day long. it isnt wrong for them to have some sort of connection. she shared her story about a time with OBJ and how she felt he was a good guy. i dont see anything wrong. she wasnt crying because he was gone, she got emotional because someone unrelated to her and with no attachment showed he gave a shit. its completely the opposite of the picture most of the media paints
Agree with Eric, nice gesture on OBJ's part but a huge "big deal" in context of what was right for this football team.
Like the media members with emotional attachments to Eli that are unprofessional?
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
100% agree. PLus, no offense BleedBlue but you have made it very clear how you feel about OBJ and the trade. So, no matter what anyone else says, if it goes against OBJ in any way you will be up in arms about it.
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I stand by my comments. I like her a lot. But her reporting on Odell was way off the mark, almost as if she was pleading the Giants not to trade him.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
100% agree. PLus, no offense BleedBlue but you have made it very clear how you feel about OBJ and the trade. So, no matter what anyone else says, if it goes against OBJ in any way you will be up in arms about it.
not true at all. the giants had to get rid of him. he has wore out his welcome, im just pissed they didnt get a nice package for him. he is dynamic and we will miss him, but the sting would be less if we had significant picks to rebuild. we got #17 at all thats basically a coin flip rate and the last pick in third round...
he got a worse rap by not performing when it mattered because he was either on the field dropping passes or not playing at all(injured)
I'm sure he was a likeable guy to teammates. who wouldn't want to play with someone with that talent? I'm sure some of the media workers loved him(women especially).
that shit doesn't win games though. we need someone who doesn't toss gasoline on the flames. the teams been shit for 6 years, we know we need a new QB. would it have been better to draft rosen/darnold/allen and still have Beckham act an ass because we'd of still been a sub-8 win team...
Slag off? I'll have to look that one up.
Kim almost died. A player she has interviewed regularly pulled his phone out of his pocket and sent her a "get well" text. The argument here seems to be that the text should have been a factor in not trading Beckham? I know we're all supposed to be touchy feely now, but I don't understand that logic.
(And I'm no great critic of Beckham or defender of Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur).
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When we have to slag off media persons to feel better about ourselves and trading Beckham.
Slag off? I'll have to look that one up.
Kim almost died. A player she has interviewed regularly pulled his phone out of his pocket and sent her a "get well" text. The argument here seems to be that the text should have been a factor in not trading Beckham? I know we're all supposed to be touchy feely now, but I don't understand that logic.
(And I'm no great critic of Beckham or defender of Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur).
he didnt just say get well. he sent a video, etc etc. point being, he showed he gave a shit and she just felt bad he got a bad rap and wasnt actually a bad dude. i dont get why thats a problem. and by slag off, i think he meant you insinuating something unprofessional between the two
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
Agree 100%. She has some egg on her face with that report on NFL Network hours before the trade happened. Essentially accusing reporters of making up news and/or sources re: a potential trade.
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When we have to slag off media persons to feel better about ourselves and trading Beckham.
Slag off? I'll have to look that one up.
Kim almost died. A player she has interviewed regularly pulled his phone out of his pocket and sent her a "get well" text. The argument here seems to be that the text should have been a factor in not trading Beckham? I know we're all supposed to be touchy feely now, but I don't understand that logic.
(And I'm no great critic of Beckham or defender of Mara/Gettleman/Shurmur).
It may be British, I'm not a native speaker. Anyway, you're not the worst offender, but some sounded a little too eager to put her down for this.
He's not saying there was some kind of affair. It is unprofessional for a reporter to be openly influenced by a personal relationship of any kind.
I do tend to think that she's a better radio personality than field news reporter.
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and by slag off, i think he meant you insinuating something unprofessional between the two
He's not saying there was some kind of affair. It is unprofessional for a reporter to be openly influenced by a personal relationship of any kind.
i dont think the influence affected her job, she just simply implied people gave him a bad wrap and most of it was undeserved.
Methinks you are right, however, in that Kim took a hit on this as she mocked the trade rumors just hours before the trade.
I just think it's insane at how upset people get over the Giants journalists on this site. The amount of hatred and vitriol spewed toward some of the beat guys is insane. They're writing about a team who's not actually making news every day. No one would read them if all they ever did was report facts.
I just think it's insane at how upset people get over the Giants journalists on this site. The amount of hatred and vitriol spewed toward some of the beat guys is insane. They're writing about a team who's not actually making news every day. No one would read them if all they ever did was report facts.
It's a two-way street. If Politi and Leonard are going to write snot-nosed, venomous articles about the players they are covering, they are fair game too.
You don't see people around here dumping on Mike Garafolo (an Eagles fan) because he was a pro. There used to be a NYT writer who covered the Giants who was awesome too (I forget his name - I think he was a baseball guy too). You don't see many people attack Tom Rock, Art Stapleton, Paul Schwartz (other than for being a mouthpiece for the org at times).
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
I believe you are out of line. You can be entitled to your opinion, but I do not believe her personal beliefs ever got in the way of her reporting. She said unless they got blown away she did not believe he would be moved. Do the rest of us feel the same way, I sure as hell think so. We did not get enough for him. She shared a personal story, just as many other reporters have about their personal experiences. She has been honest about her beliefs from the start. I believe you questioning her ethical stance on how she reported this story is frankly, disgraceful.
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Makes sense in that she seems to have an emotional attachment to Odell that is unprofessional. Same with Saquon.
Agree.. People here will look for anything to support their beliefs..
Or maybe people are more complex than being purely good or purely jerks. Maybe he is a good guy who sometimes acts like a diva?
No. Easier to just cling to your preconceived beliefs.
Haha, might be my favorite comment of yours ever. Where the hell did you pull that one from? Jesus.
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need to rethink about how to view journalists in the world today. Sports is a 24/7 industry and it sells papers. When there's no news, you write opinion pieces or opine about different topics related to the team. That's not not reporting, that's the industry. They do both.
I just think it's insane at how upset people get over the Giants journalists on this site. The amount of hatred and vitriol spewed toward some of the beat guys is insane. They're writing about a team who's not actually making news every day. No one would read them if all they ever did was report facts.
It's a two-way street. If Politi and Leonard are going to write snot-nosed, venomous articles about the players they are covering, they are fair game too.
You don't see people around here dumping on Mike Garafolo (an Eagles fan) because he was a pro. There used to be a NYT writer who covered the Giants who was awesome too (I forget his name - I think he was a baseball guy too). You don't see many people attack Tom Rock, Art Stapleton, Paul Schwartz (other than for being a mouthpiece for the org at times).
No doubt. Some are better than others and some tend more toward negative than positive. But honestly, the Giants the last 5 years or so have been a pretty bad time to be a fan. So maybe some of the articles are negative and not malicious. I think that's a pretty important distinction that fandom has a hard time differentiating.
I'm guilty of it too at times, so I'm not saying I'm above it. I'm saying that if you step back and look at what sports journalism is, or sports media might be better, and how it's trended over the last 20 years, we're not getting facts from article. That's not what people are interested in, they're interested in takes. I don't think they're villains. Half the time I think they're just trying to find different ways to look at commonly talked about issues.
Anyways, appreciate the site Eric.
That's not her job. Just like it's not Rob Leonard's job to constantly ride Beckham's ass. Or Steve Politi to one moment write how Beckham is an asshole and then months later say the Giants are idiots for trading him.
Reporters have stopped reporting.
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There’s more to this whole thing than just football. That may not matter to you and that’s fine, but her feelings aren’t stupid. Her life is covering sports, this was obviously important to her.
Kim is awesome, beats listening to just about every other person in the business. She does a much better job than most when reporting.
I like Kim but her emotional attachment to Beckham Should have no bearing on how one feels about this trade.
How? She said that she did not believe the Giants would trade without getting a big haul. What in that statement is unprofessional. She said a 3rd and 5th would never get it done for Odell. Was she wrong? Even Garfolo last night said he did not believe the rumors were true at this point. Was he unprofessional too? He is the one who broke the freaking story. Kim was giving her honest opinion, so because she was being honest and genuine she was unprofessional, you are way off base.