Now this is cap management! See link below. I'm operating under presumption this site was not updated based on Jet's recent signings. Even if that is not true however there are still just #31 in active salary and #1 in dead money.
Now I've only managed a football franchise in Madden (that's a joke, folks) but I'm pretty sure this is not a good way to do things.
Of course saving grace is we can defer salary to next year - but this speaks to one conclusion - there is no expectation to win this year from management.
And extending that to the draft you have to wonder if that influences how the evaluate for risk for drafting a QB and having them sit.
On one hand I tend to think this means they will view it as the right time to strike for a QB. On the other, this could mean they think our draft position will be at worst the same next year, and thus they will be well positioned again to get a QB, in what I believe is considered a better QB class - and therefore this is the year to build other pieces and make the team stronger for a rookie QB next year.
First post so be nice. (Kidding again)
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He is just another NY Giants Front Officr shill
If you are mostly buying assets, you won't.
Third place! WITH Vernon and Collins last year we were next to last in sacks. I don't think Case Keenum is going to have too much trouble beating us next year when he has all day to throw.
laughed out loud at this!
i don't get it with you guys its like you own stock in the company.
Yeah because Jerry Reese gave us Ommameh and OBJ, huge sources of dead money.
This is kind of like being commode hugging drunk after a major drinking binge. Eventually you will feel better.
DonQuixote : 5:42 pm : link : reply
If you are selling off your assets, you will have a lot of dead money.
If you are mostly buying assets, you won't.
Sure, of course. But the other side of that coin is the low active salary. Not spending a cent on a decent FA signing adds an additional dimension and is what cements the full rebuild vantage.
And just traded away a generational WR for a hot dog and a bag of donuts.
Platos : 5:43 pm : link : reply
honestly who cares? shit happens. we're rebuilding, be excited that we'll basically have a brand new team in 2 seasons max...
i don't get it with you guys its like you own stock in the company.
Well I guess I care and a few other folks care, too. Speaking generally, I care about how well the Giants handle the cap. And I'd guess you do to, if you're an informed fan, which I assume you are.
Regardless, two things.
One, you're point is silly that we should be excited for being good in two years from. That implies you're sure we'll be good in two years - which is far from sure. And that also implies we should be excited that managements expects to tank for the next few years. Wow - exciting!
Two, the second point of the post was to examine how the cap situation could impact how the team's plans will impact the draft. So yes, I am excited to be discussing the draft and how that will impact the team over the next two years.
And just traded away a generational WR for a hot dog and a bag of donuts.
I am so fucking tired of hearing this shit. Last time I checked, a first round pick isn't a hot dog or a bag of donuts unless you're a fucking moron.
This is kind of like being commode hugging drunk after a major drinking binge. Eventually you will feel better.
With this shitty front-office, odds are we'll be far worse in 2 years. Bank on it. There's no guarantees they can turn it around. None have a proven track record of being able to do that. The only track record they have is in mismanagement of the teams the work for, and being fired because of it.
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at this point. At the end of 2019 we will almost certainly have the worst record from 2017-19.
And just traded away a generational WR for a hot dog and a bag of donuts.
I am so fucking tired of hearing this shit. Last time I checked, a first round pick isn't a hot dog or a bag of donuts unless you're a fucking moron.
Depends on the quality of the draft. If it's a shitty draft class and the first round pick turns into Ereck Flowers, then yes it is.
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DonQuixote : 5:42 pm : link : reply
If you are selling off your assets, you will have a lot of dead money.
If you are mostly buying assets, you won't.
Sure, of course. But the other side of that coin is the low active salary. Not spending a cent on a decent FA signing adds an additional dimension and is what cements the full rebuild vantage.
Well yeah, but it's the other side of the same coin and you can't have heads and tails at the same time...
I'm no expert but you only have three categories, the money you are spending on players that are on your team (active salary), the money you are spending on players no longer on your team (dead money) and the cap space that remains. Since these three must add up to the salary cap, they are not independent observations. Meaning, if you have a lot of dead money, you are automatically having less cap space and/or less active salary, by definition.
The Giants are sellers, so they have their salaries going to players on other teams. It is not mismanagement, it is just where the team is in the rebuild.
They're all gone now.
Blaming other people is over.
and the last in tive! See how we shive! We're the last in tive!
The Giants are sellers, so they have their salaries going to players on other teams. It is not mismanagement, it is just where the team is in the rebuild.
hahaha... If you think that paying players to play for other teams is NOT a sign of mismanagement, than you are a special kind of stupid. lol...
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The Giants are sellers, so they have their salaries going to players on other teams. It is not mismanagement, it is just where the team is in the rebuild.
hahaha... If you think that paying players to play for other teams is NOT a sign of mismanagement, than you are a special kind of stupid. lol...
I can assure you that I am not stupid. If your team has a lot of high priced veterans, and you sell them off in a single season, you will have dead money.
Are you saying you would rather not have sold off those players, fine. But I want a rebuild and it is happening and it is hardly stupid to understand the numbers.
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6:12 pm : link : reply
and a positive statement about the present. We are getting rid of the bad contracts and taking our medicine. There is no way we were going to be any good this year. This is what we have to do to have a future as opposed to a lucky season where you barely sneak into the playoffs.
Gonna have to disagree with you on getting rid of bad contracts. OBJ was a great contract. OV was mediocre. Neither were horrible. Eli on $23MM is horrible yet we kept his contract. That should be renegotiated or we should let him walk.
The problem last year was the o-line killed us in the first half of the season and as such fixing that o-line this offseason could have easily catapulted us to playoffs. But we just completely dismantled the entire team AND spent nothing in FA (yet) and didn't even giving fixing the o-line a chance. Don't forget our defense was considered top 10 at beginning of last year.
Team's have routinely shown in the past two decades that in the salary cap era you don't have to completely dismantle in order to turn things around but that's what we've done.
Many of these players have no affect on our dead money this year.
The current GM signed Beckham to that deal, then spun around and created 16m in wasted money. That's not "the past".
MM_in_NYC : 5:51 pm : link : reply
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Platos : 5:43 pm : link : reply
honestly who cares? shit happens. we're rebuilding, be excited that we'll basically have a brand new team in 2 seasons max...
i don't get it with you guys its like you own stock in the company.
Well I guess I care and a few other folks care, too. Speaking generally, I care about how well the Giants handle the cap. And I'd guess you do to, if you're an informed fan, which I assume you are.
Regardless, two things.
One, you're point is silly that we should be excited for being good in two years from. That implies you're sure we'll be good in two years - which is far from sure. And that also implies we should be excited that managements expects to tank for the next few years. Wow - exciting!
Two, the second point of the post was to examine how the cap situation could impact how the team's plans will impact the draft. So yes, I am excited to be discussing the draft and how that will impact the team over the next two years.
we're going to have 100+ mill free in 2020. shit happens you have to bite the bullet sometimes. what are you going to do ask players for the money back?
THE TEAMS BEEN A SHIT SHOW SINCE 2011!!! whats a little more shit? at least now we're making moves instead of sitting on DEAD CONTRACTS OF PLAYERS WHO AREN'T PERFORMING. would that have been better? keep vernon/snacks/collins/etc to give us the illusion that we have a shot???
the team tried to compete all these years and its shown it can't. its time to sell and start over. the years of bad drafts caught up. we have no depth. we've never built a line from the ground up since the Arcosi years and even that took some time to get decent.
it is what it is. lets get a bunch of young talent and see what we can do going forward.
do you not understand how badly this team was put together?
rip the fuckin bandaid off and move on.
Ok to get rid of everyone but the biggest problem with the cap. ELI
do you not understand how badly this team was put together?
Clearly they didn't know themselves, because the whole point is it should've been done a year ago. Now you and I have to wait two years for football games that matter.
The year we signed the four defensive free agents many on this board defended it as necessary due to bad drafts. The same bad drafts they though were acceptable. Now they want me to believe dead money is a by product of reconstructing the roster. The reality is that you have no cap room to acquire players and you are pushing improvement down the road for three years waiting for young guys to develop. A better idea is to continually acquire young talent and let older guys walk. Acquisition happens with un-drafted, drafted and value FA signings. Never overpay for a player.
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and a positive statement about the present. We are getting rid of the bad contracts and taking our medicine. There is no way we were going to be any good this year. This is what we have to do to have a future as opposed to a lucky season where you barely sneak into the playoffs.
The current GM signed Beckham to that deal, then spun around and created 16m in wasted money. That's not "the past".
Blaming Reese has become such a default, he gets blamed for contracts he didn't negotiate.
I commend Gettleman for cutting his losses on his mistakes -- that takes a smart man. Not making the mistakes in the first place would indicate some wisdom.
I'm cobbling together the details for a thread right now, but suffice to say the value and cost of last offseason isn't pretty.
That is MUCH BETTER than the almost 44M he had last year.....
You guys do know what dead money is right? It's money you can't spend!!!!!!
That is MUCH BETTER than the almost 44M he had last year.....
You guys do know what dead money is right? It's money you can't spend!!!!!!
It also clears the books on useless players....
I will always be a fan but anybody involved in decision-making for this franchise for the recent memory should be ashamed of themselves...
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Thus far, he has over 33M in dead money this year.....
That is MUCH BETTER than the almost 44M he had last year.....
You guys do know what dead money is right? It's money you can't spend!!!!!!
It also clears the books on useless players....
The dead money for the New York Giants this year is largely:
Odell Beckham $16,000,000
Olivier Vernon $8,000,000
Damon Harrison $3,200,000
Patrick Omameh $3,000,000
Eli Apple $2,304,968
I'm not sure "useless" describes any of those guys outside of Omameh.
I guess DG should have kept that 2014-2017 team together as long as possible.