Did OBJ ever have same burst in 2018 that he had pre-injury?

But he was still a top 3 receiver in the league. As much as his burst was an asset, his route running and hands were what set him apart.

he lost a step, but we;ll see how he does in 2019

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But he was still a top 3 receiver in the league. As much as his burst was an asset, his route running and hands were what set him apart.

sorry i do not agree that he looked like a top 3 wr last season. I can probably name ten i would rather have than that version of ODB.

Something he made look routine from 14-17.

Some of that was likely accuracy/timing issue from the quarterback, but he was notably less explosive in my view.

mind is will he be slower still after the last injury. We don't know that yet.

If he still had the chance to break any of those slants or if he just lost it.

Would be nice if someone more informed than I am could say one way or another.

Was less explosive. That second gear he had pre-injury was not there last year.

It didn't look like he had it to me, either - he had an extra gear in 2016 that I wasn't really seeing this past season. He seemed like he was getting back to that or getting closer, but then he got leg whipped in PHI and that was that.

But - I was told I just wasn't thinking clearly because I smoke too much pot by another poster, so... I guess I was just seeing shit.

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In comment 14334331 arcarsenal said:

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It didn't look like he had it to me, either - he had an extra gear in 2016 that I wasn't really seeing this past season. He seemed like he was getting back to that or getting closer, but then he got leg whipped in PHI and that was that. But - I was told I just wasn't thinking clearly because I smoke too much pot by another poster, so... I guess I was just seeing shit. Careful or you will be suspended 4 games shrug.gif

on a projected basis, the stats say no. But the big break-away plays were not there last year. Coincidence? Who knows?

because he was double or triple covered.

Defenses feared him, so they game planned him out of the game, and he still had

77 Catches 1,052 yrds 13.7 Avg. and 6 TDs

I don't get how people don't realize that defensive coordinators were just going to let him run free.

When he got his catches there were usually a bunch of guys there to get him.

Add in Shurmur didn't just put him in a take a slants to the house like MacAdoo did every play.

In comment 14334358 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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because he was double or triple covered. Defenses feared him, so they game planned him out of the game, and he still had 77 Catches 1,052 yrds 13.7 Avg. and 6 TDs I don't get how people don't realize that defensive coordinators were just going to let him run free. When he got his catches there were usually a bunch of guys there to get him. Add in Shurmur didn't just put him in a take a slants to the house like MacAdoo did every play.

That's been true since his rookie year.

Beckham didn't just start seeing doubles and brackets this year. He's been seeing them for several years now. And his explosion was far more evident in 2016 than it was in 2018.

Not sure why this is being pointed to like it was something new or something he hadn't dealt with in the past.

From that injury

NYC was not the right place for him to play and socialize outside the game. He is small and injury prone, will miss al lot of games and continue to create a lot of headlines. Should have gone to the west coast, but he will be big time in Cleveland and maybe that is what he needs. Wish him luck. MO.

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There are a couple interesting next gen stats: Yards After Catch and Expected Yards After Catch.

In 2018, Beckham's Expected Yards After Catch was 4.8 yards/reception. His actual Yards After Catch was 4.5 yards/reception. So he was -.3 yards/reception after the catch.

By comparison, his split in 2016 was 4.6/5.2, or +.6 yards/reception after the catch.

In comment 14334405 Go Terps said:

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There are a couple interesting next gen stats: Yards After Catch and Expected Yards After Catch. In 2018, Beckham's Expected Yards After Catch was 4.8 yards/reception. His actual Yards After Catch was 4.5 yards/reception. So he was -.3 yards/reception after the catch. By comparison, his split in 2016 was 4.6/5.2, or +.6 yards/reception after the catch.

Impressive analysis. Thanks

for his entire career up until this past season.

The whole offense struggled in the beginning while learning a new playbook, and he was used differently.

I thought he def looked less explosive and seemed to me he lost a step. He looked more ordinary to me. Unless he was dogging it a bit and making business decisions on the field.

I wish we still had him

I love the guy, he wanted to win and score on every play

Just another good receiver, not a great one. The Browns got fleeced.

I thought OBJ was a tad slower than pre-injury. Not much, just barely perceptible.

A lot of stoners here who don't know what they're looking at.

He has a QB that can throw the deep ball consistently.

But to answer the question, it's possible. Could also be due to a change in the offensive system.

before halftime was unparalleled. As was his ability to be on a losing team and still act like he was the only thing that mattered. Lastly the amazing way he tapped out for the last four out of five games while his teammates finally showed some fight was inspiring.

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It didn't look like he had it to me, either - he had an extra gear in 2016 that I wasn't really seeing this past season. He seemed like he was getting back to that or getting closer, but then he got leg whipped in PHI and that was that. But - I was told I just wasn't thinking clearly because I smoke too much pot by another poster, so... I guess I was just seeing shit. shrug.gif

yes that's how i see it.

In comment 14334405 Go Terps said:

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There are a couple interesting next gen stats: Yards After Catch and Expected Yards After Catch. In 2018, Beckham's Expected Yards After Catch was 4.8 yards/reception. His actual Yards After Catch was 4.5 yards/reception. So he was -.3 yards/reception after the catch. By comparison, his split in 2016 was 4.6/5.2, or +.6 yards/reception after the catch.

nice stats. i wonder if the sample size is reliable. it does seem to match what i was seeing..

with OBJ. WR's with a history of leg injuries usually don't do well.

Which told me his explosiveness was impacted. Personally I think he will be dealing with health issues. Giants timing in dumping him is well timed.

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with OBJ. WR's with a history of leg injuries usually don't do well.

could be. honestly i have been down on DG because I feel there has been no strategy, moves seem random, and he eschews analytics and advanced approaches. But this move isn't necessarily bad, imo. They were never getting two 1's for Odell.

that the broken ankle would (and did) rob him of what made him "generational". Now he's just a great receiver. ( pending what the calf injury did to him).

that came in slower and/or off target that didn’t allow OBJ to explode...

And he stepped out of bounds rather than try to extend plays a lot.

In comment 14334487 arcarsenal said:

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A lot of stoners here who don't know what they're looking at.

Or maybe people are just trying to rationalize why we traded him away.

Like you're trying to rationalize his lack of big play prowess that he displayed before he was injured by pretending he hadn't been bracketed/double-covered in the past? Or trying to rationalize that we should have kept him and this was a huge mistake?

Okey doke. Everyone else has an agenda and you're the only guy seeing things clearly, I guess.

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In comment 14334609 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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In comment 14334487 arcarsenal said: Quote: A lot of stoners here who don't know what they're looking at. Or maybe people are just trying to rationalize why we traded him away.

The discussion exists now because of the trade, but the lack of explosiveness has been talked about since last season. In fact, I started a thread related to Beckham breaking a record and it was discusses right then.

In my mind, there's no doubt he lost a tick. He did a lot of east west running because the holes he would normally burst through in his rookie/sophomore year were closing faster. Reminds me of the AGS inches speech.

Even so, Beckham isn't a one trick pony and can succeed in multiple ways. Plus I truly believe his work ethic is up there with the best and an extra year could give him that burst back. The guy is still a star and always will be when healthy.

half dozen, maybe more, plays where a good throw would’ve resulted in a very long TD.

If he can stay on the field, he’s going to be a monster in CLE with a QB that’s in his prime.

unless you want to act like a moron...

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unless you want to act like a moron...

Of course we will. He's a tremendous player. Anyone who denies that can't be taken seriously.

What he's worth, where he fits, is he worth the polarizing behavior? Those are all fair questions. Questioning his ability or whether we just got much weaker at WR? Can't really do that - we are undoubtedly worse at the WR position now. That's reality.

We will draft someone fairly early this year I would think.

and Ah No

but, was a huge ankle fracture - even if he has not yet returned to form doesn't mean it will not happen. and he had a couple of steps to give - still one of best talents at his position in the league.

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In comment 14334679 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: unless you want to act like a moron... Of course we will. He's a tremendous player. Anyone who denies that can't be taken seriously. What he's worth, where he fits, is he worth the polarizing behavior? Those are all fair questions. Questioning his ability or whether we just got much weaker at WR? Can't really do that - we are undoubtedly worse at the WR position now. That's reality. We will draft someone fairly early this year I would think.

We will draft some guys early...maybe it will be at WR and maybe won't. Its not like we aren't weak at shit everywhere...

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Was less explosive. That second gear he had pre-injury was not there last year.

I think he looked hesitant at times like he didn't want to tear something. I think he made a lot of business decisions during the game since he got paid. The onsides kick was another example.

In comment 14334255 Ben in Tampa said:

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Something he made look routine from 14-17. Some of that was likely accuracy/timing issue from the quarterback, but he was notably less explosive in my view.

I read somewhere that only 50% of the passes thrown to him last year qualified as "accurate passes." If that's true, perhaps that's part of the reason why he didn't take short throws to the house.

to see how he performs with Cleveland. Mayfield and Landry will certainly "push" him. He did not have that competition here.