I hear lots of people saying that we should not have resigned him if we didn't want him in the first place. But we actually got value from trading him. I know the giants now have dead money as a result of the trade but I would rather have the extra picks + Peppers than just release OBJ + compensation picks.
Am I missing something?
Trade him last summer
To trade him?
Either move on from Eli or don't.
Either rebuild or try to win.
Either clean house and TC and Reese go, or stay the course.
They knew what Beckham was when they signed him. That's on them. If they didn't like what they saw, they should have traded him and made 2018 the rebuild year.
At every turn, they have make half-gestures and it continues to set them back. They don't want to make hard choices until they're pushed or they have no options left.
Even now, they're trading for 29 year olds and paying big money and multiple years to 30 year olds, and they wasted two years of Saquon Barkley's rookie contract because it took them a year to figure out they're not close and they need to cut their entire defense.
You think Saquon Barkley isn't going to want to be paid like a top 3 RB? Think that's gonna be cheap?
Weren’t we set back far enough, how much further can it go?
So dramatic. The reason to sign Beckham proved to be wrong but I think we got lucky and it turned out ok since his dead cap this year won’t matter since we are going to suck anyway. And then we get picksnon top of it.
The trade doesn’t match Beckham’s peak value but it’s not some terrible deal.
That's so frustrating. I thought it made sense to sign him, and I think it was a mistake to trade him. But given that they did trade him, it's hard to understand what they were thinking when they signed him. You more or less knew what you were getting with him, if you don't have the stomach for it, don't order it.
RE: Top Tenn Hammer has it right
UConn4523 : 6:40 pm : link : reply
In comment 14334362 MM_in_NYC said:
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Management completely misjudged last year and went for a win it all mentality, including drafting a running back #2 - and then completely gave up this year and went into full rebuild. Unless we absolutely crush the next two drafts this franchise has been set back tremendously. It's painful.
Weren’t we set back far enough, how much further can it go?
So dramatic. The reason to sign Beckham proved to be wrong but I think we got lucky and it turned out ok since his dead cap this year won’t matter since we are going to suck anyway. And then we get picksnon top of it.
The trade doesn’t match Beckham’s peak value but it’s not some terrible deal.
It was not only the Beckham contract. It was a series of decisions they made - which when totaled together and then coupled with swinging around a complete 180 into a rebuild the very next year mean that we are in a tremendous hole that will be quite hard to dig out of without major draft success.
You say that's dramatic, but how else do you describe trading your best player and likely HOFer? I'm just framing it for what it is. You may wish it were otherwise but it's not. Commenters here aren't creating the drama, the Giants are.
This crap cap situation is 100% on Mara/Tisch. They don't know what they want and are indecisive. Even if OBJ held out the Giants would still have all the leverage.
Either move on from Eli or don't.
Either rebuild or try to win.
Either clean house and TC and Reese go, or stay the course.
They knew what Beckham was when they signed him. That's on them. If they didn't like what they saw, they should have traded him and made 2018 the rebuild year.
At every turn, they have make half-gestures and it continues to set them back. They don't want to make hard choices until they're pushed or they have no options left.
Even now, they're trading for 29 year olds and paying big money and multiple years to 30 year olds, and they wasted two years of Saquon Barkley's rookie contract because it took them a year to figure out they're not close and they need to cut their entire defense.
You think Saquon Barkley isn't going to want to be paid like a top 3 RB? Think that's gonna be cheap?
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RE: Top Tenn Hammer has it right
UConn4523 : 6:40 pm : link : reply
In comment 14334362 MM_in_NYC said:
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Management completely misjudged last year and went for a win it all mentality, including drafting a running back #2 - and then completely gave up this year and went into full rebuild. Unless we absolutely crush the next two drafts this franchise has been set back tremendously. It's painful.
Weren’t we set back far enough, how much further can it go?
So dramatic. The reason to sign Beckham proved to be wrong but I think we got lucky and it turned out ok since his dead cap this year won’t matter since we are going to suck anyway. And then we get picksnon top of it.
The trade doesn’t match Beckham’s peak value but it’s not some terrible deal.
It was not only the Beckham contract. It was a series of decisions they made - which when totaled together and then coupled with swinging around a complete 180 into a rebuild the very next year mean that we are in a tremendous hole that will be quite hard to dig out of without major draft success.
You say that's dramatic, but how else do you describe trading your best player and likely HOFer? I'm just framing it for what it is. You may wish it were otherwise but it's not. Commenters here aren't creating the drama, the Giants are.
You said we’ve been set back tremendously. My response was how much further back can we go? Eli is the last piece that needs to fall, until that happens we aren’t really moving forward fully. That should happen today but I doubt it, so that means we will win a handful of games, have a top pick next year and a ton of cap - that isn’t going further back that’s taking a giant step forward.
Love that one. Also love complaining that the giants should either move on from Eli or not. Things is They aren’t. You just hate this.
You said we’ve been set back tremendously. My response was how much further back can we go? Eli is the last piece that needs to fall, until that happens we aren’t really moving forward fully. That should happen today but I doubt it, so that means we will win a handful of games, have a top pick next year and a ton of cap - that isn’t going further back that’s taking a giant step forward.
So your question is how much further back can we go?
My answer is quite far back. How about not making the playoffs for several years.
They should have Franchised him like many on this board wanted to do.....If it didn't work out, you franchise him again and then trade him without having a 16M monkey on your back....
Based on what? You have no idea what teams would have given up. I mean AB just got traded and immediately was given a new contract. Rumors that OBJ wanted to slightly re-work his contract as well after the trade. Odell is one of the rare players that a team would willingly give up draft capital for the right to sign him to a massive contract.