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Is Jabril Peppers a LB or S in a Bettcher defense?

MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 8:04 pm
The easy answer is he's both - but in 2015, Bettcher's first as a d-coordinator, Bucannon was a clear LB with Matthieu and Jefferson being the safeties.

Will be curious to see how this impacts roster management and future decisions.

While Collins clearly did not want to play LB and resisted that idea (based on certain reports), Peppers, from his days in Michigan, clearly relished the idea of being a joker/money player and even won the Butkus.

Will be interesting to see.

For those who like the measurements and such:

Bucannon and Peppers compare very similarly.

Bucannon:
211 lbs
4.49 forty with 1.54 10yd split
36.5 vert
19 reps
10'5" broad

Peppers:
213 lbs
4.46 forty with 1.54 10yd split
35.5 vert
19 reps
10'8" broad

Biggest difference was Bucannon has length on Peppers.

Bucannon: 6010 with 32 3/8 arms
Peppers: 5103 with 30 3/4 arms
if  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 8:06 pm : link
we had any other safeties, this might be a valid question, but as crappy as our LBs are, take a look at the safety depth chart.
Correct the record  
MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 8:07 pm : link
Peppers was 5107 not 5103
RE: if  
DavidinBMNY : 3/13/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14334627 Eric from BBI said:
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we had any other safeties, this might be a valid question, but as crappy as our LBs are, take a look at the safety depth chart.
We had a shitty safety depty chart last year to. We had Collins and who else?
DavidinBM  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 8:08 pm : link
Yup, and hence the silly talk about moving Collins to LB.

Peppers and Bethea  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/13/2019 8:09 pm : link
should be a solid safety duo.
Gettleman very clearly stated he is a safety.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/13/2019 8:10 pm : link
Now, could he be like a Deon Grant type safety when we go to nickel or big nickel? I think that makes sense.
RE: if  
MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 8:11 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8:06 pm : link : reply
we had any other safeties, this might be a valid question, but as crappy as our LBs are, take a look at the safety depth chart.


Certainly true our safety position is decimated yet that doesn't mean we won't add in FA or the draft instead of going LB.

My point was that don't count out management considering him a LB and viewing building on the S position more.

Of course agree if had to field a team today he'd have to play S. But that could change by time of camp or even next year. Just something to watch as Bettcher had a ton of success with this mold of player at LB.
RE: Peppers and Bethea  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14334641 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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should be a solid safety duo.


Agreed. Draft a young FS in the later rounds too. We need speedy LB's man... Ogletree had a good yr, but has his limitations... I do like the kid from Georgia, but the rest of the guys should be selling cars.
RE: RE: if  
Diver_Down : 3/13/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14334632 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 14334627 Eric from BBI said:


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we had any other safeties, this might be a valid question, but as crappy as our LBs are, take a look at the safety depth chart.

We had a shitty safety depty chart last year to. We had Collins and who else?


The suck of Curtis Riley overshadowed Thomas. While he won't be confused with Collins or Peppers, he still did well enough in Collins' annual trip to IR.
i think he's a S  
GiantsFan84 : 3/13/2019 8:19 pm : link
bethea and peppers is already better than collins and riley.

and bethea, peppers, thomas, and a rookie is not a horrible S group
I think he is a safety  
Amtoft : 3/13/2019 8:21 pm : link
He appears to have better coverage than Collins. I also think he is versatile and you can move him around which makes him valuable
He can absolutely be A linebacker...  
Brown_Hornet : 3/13/2019 8:25 pm : link
... When the giants are in a cover 3 scheme.
He can lineup as a too high and during cadence come down into the Box.
If the quarterback audibles to 4 verticals he can play a slot or a tight end man up.

Peppers can be used in multiple ways and still be called a safety.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 8:26 pm : link
They'd like him to do a lot of the things Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick are doing I would think. The good ol' moneybacker.
RE: DavidinBM  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14334639 Eric from BBI said:
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Yup, and hence the silly talk about moving Collins to LB.
Dude it's not LB, it's a rover who based on coverage called and formation can support the run or drop into coverage. It's the coverage version of the old Elephant backer in the 3-4. Is he coming forward or going back and by using a player who can do both you make it harder to read the defense. I am assuming Tae Davis gets that first crack with Peppers at SS and Davis shits the bed, Peppers is up and we roll with Michael Thomas and Bethea at S.

Look, Bettcher runs a 2-5ish scheme, very similar to what we did vs the Bills in SB 25. You know its two down lineman but what the other 5 are doing...is wide open and that's what made his defenses so hard to figure in AZ. We simply didn't have the players to do it last year and we still don't, but the Peppers acquisition should show you where he's going with this.
Hopefully he can play a mix of  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2019 8:29 pm : link
SS, FS, CB, Slot CB, LB, DE.

Because that’s our needs...
@ Jimmy Googs  
MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 8:37 pm : link
Maybe he can play WR too!
It's hard for me  
mrvax : 3/13/2019 8:37 pm : link
to imagine a 215 pound player playing LB. I know it's been done in modern times but I'd think you would want your LB heavier.
@mrvax  
MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 8:38 pm : link
Please see the 50 lines of comparison to Bucannon above.
RE: @ Jimmy Googs  
lecky : 3/13/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14334702 MM_in_NYC said:
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Maybe he can play WR too!


Obviously someone upset with the trade. All OBJ circus catches dont make up for giving up a 3rd and 17. Already a better team today than they were last year with 12 draft choices ( including basically 3 first rounders) to sort through. Get excited dude.
How much better is he than Collins in pass coverage?  
Doomster : 3/13/2019 8:44 pm : link
29 games, 2 int's, 8 passes defended.....
Joey  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
I get it, but again, he didn't have the "luxury" to use Collins or now Peppers in that role because who then plays safety? Free agency and the draft may change that, but not yet.
A Safety by title  
Peppers : 3/13/2019 8:51 pm : link
Greg Wiliams used him all over the field. At times single high, in the box, as a LB, in the slot, man coverages vs TEs and RBs, and as a blitzer. If I had to guess he'll mostly be utilized as the answer to TE's and as a blitzer. He was good in both roles for Cleveland.
RE: How much better is he than Collins in pass coverage?  
lecky : 3/13/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14334724 Doomster said:
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29 games, 2 int's, 8 passes defended.....


2 serviceable safeties, when was the last time we had that? Barkley will score points. Need to stop teams in the fourth quarter. Draft the LB from LSU and the best edge rusher in the first round and we are great for the next 5 years
@ Lecky  
MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 8:57 pm : link
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RE: @ Jimmy Googs
lecky : 8:43 pm : link : reply

Obviously someone upset with the trade. All OBJ circus catches dont make up for giving up a 3rd and 17. Already a better team today than they were last year with 12 draft choices ( including basically 3 first rounders) to sort through. Get excited dude.


Interesting comment. Are you saying WR is not a need? Anyway, lighten up. Comment was said with good humor.

And yeah, all those needs Googs listed are real. You shouldn't be so quick to assume all of our draft picks will solve them. As I've said elsewhere, if we don't hit a bunch strikes then the next few seasons will be really long.
RE: It's hard for me  
Bill in UT : 3/13/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14334703 mrvax said:
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to imagine a 215 pound player playing LB. I know it's been done in modern times but I'd think you would want your LB heavier.


That's how Bettcher used Buchanan in AZ
Joey and Brown Hornet good posts  
idiotsavant : 3/13/2019 9:02 pm : link
I could see a pure free safety type drafted, as well as the pass defending ILB, the olb (some say edge, dumb word, it's much more then that) and two various defensive linesmen.

It's a lot on one side but this is the year. It's lining up.
RE: @ Lecky  
lecky : 3/13/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14334783 MM_in_NYC said:
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RE: @ Jimmy Googs
lecky : 8:43 pm : link : reply

Obviously someone upset with the trade. All OBJ circus catches dont make up for giving up a 3rd and 17. Already a better team today than they were last year with 12 draft choices ( including basically 3 first rounders) to sort through. Get excited dude.




Interesting comment. Are you saying WR is not a need? Anyway, lighten up. Comment was said with good humor.

And yeah, all those needs Googs listed are real. You shouldn't be so quick to assume all of our draft picks will solve them. As I've said elsewhere, if we don't hit a bunch strikes then the next few seasons will be really long.


More excited about 3 1st round picks than signing a Landon Collins for $15 million a year. Counting on the front office to draft well and have a quality defense for years to come without a huge cap hit. Get me the LB from LSU and a top edge rusher and maybe a wr with the first 3 picks and we are much better than last year.
RE: RE: @ Jimmy Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14334723 lecky said:
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In comment 14334702 MM_in_NYC said:


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Maybe he can play WR too!



Obviously someone upset with the trade. All OBJ circus catches dont make up for giving up a 3rd and 17. Already a better team today than they were last year with 12 draft choices ( including basically 3 first rounders) to sort through. Get excited dude.


Yeah that's what I miss most...the circus catches.

We will be a better only when we start showing we are a better team on the field. And i didn't realize we picked up 3 extra first rounders today...so don't extrapolate the truth.

I admire the optimist but really only respect the realist.

Figure out which one you want to be...
RE: if  
Beer Man : 3/13/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14334627 Eric from BBI said:
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we had any other safeties, this might be a valid question, but as crappy as our LBs are, take a look at the safety depth chart.
+1
@ Lecky  
MM_in_NYC : 3/13/2019 9:17 pm : link
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More excited about 3 1st round picks than signing a Landon Collins for $15 million a year. Counting on the front office to draft well and have a quality defense for years to come without a huge cap hit. Get me the LB from LSU and a top edge rusher and maybe a wr with the first 3 picks and we are much better than last year.


Agreed on Landon, I didn't want to keep him at that price either. And I was quite happy with the trade for Zeitler. But don't tell me we're better without OBJ. That's silly talk... unless you're one of those who just hate the guy. In which case it's still silly.

Here's to hoping we nail our picks. We've put almost all of our eggs in that basket. But with the way things have gone though, I'm not counting out a trade up for Haskins... I pray otherwise
RE: Joey  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14334727 Eric from BBI said:
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I get it, but again, he didn't have the "luxury" to use Collins or now Peppers in that role because who then plays safety? Free agency and the draft may change that, but not yet.
It's not a luxury because Collins didn't want to play it, he wanted to play S and we ended up using Tae Davis and Goodson in that role. That role is more critical to the D than a S, it's not a luxury but Collins didn't want to do it.
Joey  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 9:26 pm : link
I have no doubt that Peppers will be considered in that role PROVIDED we have someone who can play safety other than Bethea. Peppers is probably better suited to it...big and athletic, but not overly instinctive against the pass. We going to bring in more safeties, but I'm not sure they will have someone to play alongside Bethea yet.
Peppers  
MotownGIANTS : 3/13/2019 9:31 pm : link
Is a S. We are going to like him he is a football player. TEs will not be murdering us. Also he won’t be out there whiffing in tackles but if the DL and LB don’t beat their man he’s not going to shed a pulling G or T on the 2nd level, but he can blizt past an OL.
One thing is for sure about Peps...  
trueblueinpw : 3/13/2019 9:33 pm : link
This young man loves to play and is willing to do whatever is necessary. Bromides? Sure, but this kid can do it all from the S position.
RE: @ Lecky  
lecky : 3/13/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14334866 MM_in_NYC said:
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More excited about 3 1st round picks than signing a Landon Collins for $15 million a year. Counting on the front office to draft well and have a quality defense for years to come without a huge cap hit. Get me the LB from LSU and a top edge rusher and maybe a wr with the first 3 picks and we are much better than last year.




Agreed on Landon, I didn't want to keep him at that price either. And I was quite happy with the trade for Zeitler. But don't tell me we're better without OBJ. That's silly talk... unless you're one of those who just hate the guy. In which case it's still silly.

Here's to hoping we nail our picks. We've put almost all of our eggs in that basket. But with the way things have gone though, I'm not counting out a trade up for Haskins... I pray otherwise


Actually a fan of OBJ. But we are not going to win with him and no D. This is our chance to build a Defense for the next 5 years. At minimal cost.
Peppers is like Colins  
Foobarbaz : 3/13/2019 10:33 pm : link
But more athletic and can kick/punt return
Peppers utilization in Browns D  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 12:32 am : link
Half decent video breakdown linked below
Peppers utilization in Browns D - ( New Window )
Browns fans excited about Beckham  
madgiantscow009 : 3/14/2019 2:06 am : link
but are very sad to see Peppers go.
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