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ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 8:28 pm
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Another source pointed out that cutting Manning, a sure-fire future Ring of Honor member, to save $5 million wouldn't be the classiest way to treat one of the most accomplished and decorated players in the team's long history

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The $5M bonus doesn’t mean anything  
Sean : 3/13/2019 9:18 pm : link
The Giants can give him the bonus & still mutually decide to move on if it comes to that.
Lmao  
Matt G : 3/13/2019 9:19 pm : link
What pick did the Jets have to trade? And who says they would have traded them... They were clearly comfortable with any of the top 3 QBs and pleasantly surprised Darnold was still there
RE: If we’re going to be hesitant because of flaws  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14334851 ajr2456 said:
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Then when are we going to find one? Every prospect has flaws. Sweat has his.

You draft players if their plus traits outweigh the negatives and work on fixing and building around the flaws. A prospect being flawed shouldn’t be the sole reason to not take one.


You have to evaluate the QB and not make a mistake. Or you end up with a Dave Brown.
RE: RE: arc  
Giants38 : 3/13/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14334826 arcarsenal said:
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Not to sound like Giants homer, but it's not crazy to argue that Gettleman made the right decision last year to draft Barkley.

Also, it's not crazy to say any of the QB's are not worth the #6 spot.



It's not crazy, no - I mostly have argued the former.

I have a hard time with the latter - only because I think one of Murray or Haskins are going to wind up being pretty darn good.

If they really don't like either guy and just aren't big on this QB class either, then I guess I have to start to wonder what they're looking for or where they think they're finally going to settle on someone.

If none of these guys are good enough, I'm not sure Herbert or Fromm will be either.

I'm a bit of a Tua homer, I think he's very much legitimate. But he's going to be highly sought-after.

I worry we'll win like 7 games, wind up with a pick in the mid-late first, and not be able to get within reach of a guy we actually do want.

At that point, we're even beyond the Eli Manning fallback - we'll be the team signing Ryan Fitzpatrick because we have no one else.


This team is not winning 7 games. I don't even think we'll win 3.
The not having a replacement narrative is also a joke  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 9:22 pm : link
They got rid of a player who was way more productive without having his replacement on the roster or even a second proven outside WR.

There’s a lot of QBs that can give you the same production.
RE: The $5M bonus doesn’t mean anything  
Hsilwek92 : 3/13/2019 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14334872 Sean said:
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The Giants can give him the bonus & still mutually decide to move on if it comes to that.


But it does mean something. Why spend $5m when they don’t have to?
RE: Lmao  
Justlurking : 3/13/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14334873 Matt G said:
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What pick did the Jets have to trade? And who says they would have traded them... They were clearly comfortable with any of the top 3 QBs and pleasantly surprised Darnold was still there


They weren't. They wanted Mayfield or Darnold. They knew the Giants were locked in on Saquon because the Giants are terrible at playing poker. They would have moved to 2. That's from someone in the Jets war room. (and last time i checked Jets are currently drafting 3rd so apparently they had some potential assets).
RE: RE: Lmao  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14334901 Justlurking said:
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What pick did the Jets have to trade? And who says they would have traded them... They were clearly comfortable with any of the top 3 QBs and pleasantly surprised Darnold was still there



They weren't. They wanted Mayfield or Darnold. They knew the Giants were locked in on Saquon because the Giants are terrible at playing poker. They would have moved to 2. That's from someone in the Jets war room. (and last time i checked Jets are currently drafting 3rd so apparently they had some potential assets).


In fact weren’t reports put out there that they were trying to after they got to 3?
RE: RE: If we’re going to be hesitant because of flaws  
Les in TO : 3/13/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14334875 Eric from BBI said:
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Then when are we going to find one? Every prospect has flaws. Sweat has his.

You draft players if their plus traits outweigh the negatives and work on fixing and building around the flaws. A prospect being flawed shouldn’t be the sole reason to not take one.



You have to evaluate the QB and not make a mistake. Or you end up with a Dave Brown.
yup or be like the browns up until mayfield with first round bust after first round bust Couch Manziel Weeden
RE: RE: RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14334876 Giants38 said:
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Not to sound like Giants homer, but it's not crazy to argue that Gettleman made the right decision last year to draft Barkley.

Also, it's not crazy to say any of the QB's are not worth the #6 spot.



It's not crazy, no - I mostly have argued the former.

I have a hard time with the latter - only because I think one of Murray or Haskins are going to wind up being pretty darn good.

If they really don't like either guy and just aren't big on this QB class either, then I guess I have to start to wonder what they're looking for or where they think they're finally going to settle on someone.

If none of these guys are good enough, I'm not sure Herbert or Fromm will be either.

I'm a bit of a Tua homer, I think he's very much legitimate. But he's going to be highly sought-after.

I worry we'll win like 7 games, wind up with a pick in the mid-late first, and not be able to get within reach of a guy we actually do want.

At that point, we're even beyond the Eli Manning fallback - we'll be the team signing Ryan Fitzpatrick because we have no one else.



This team is not winning 7 games. I don't even think we'll win 3.


We haven't even drafted yet and have no idea what the final roster looks like.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 9:40 pm : link
I'm fine with not taking a QB just to take a QB - I just wonder what they're actually looking for if they didn't love any of the QB's last year and don't like Haskins or Murray this year.
RE: RE: RE: If we’re going to be hesitant because of flaws  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14334926 Les in TO said:
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Then when are we going to find one? Every prospect has flaws. Sweat has his.

You draft players if their plus traits outweigh the negatives and work on fixing and building around the flaws. A prospect being flawed shouldn’t be the sole reason to not take one.



You have to evaluate the QB and not make a mistake. Or you end up with a Dave Brown.

yup or be like the browns up until mayfield with first round bust after first round bust Couch Manziel Weeden


And drafting scared will put you in the same predicament.
ajr2456  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 9:43 pm : link
Yup, but the Giants know they need to replace Eli. We also know for a fact - right or wrong - they felt Barkley was better than any QB in last year's draft. I wanted the Giants to draft a QB last April. Now, I'm leaning towards Gettleman made the right decision based on 2018 play. Obviously the next five years will tell us more definitively.

What we also seem to know is that the guy that half of BBI wanted - Rosen - is a guy the Cardinals may have already given up on after just one year.
Saquon was the right pick and a generational type player  
PatersonPlank : 3/13/2019 9:45 pm : link
All the QB's were ok, but the jury is still out on them. None of them had the impact Barkley has had.
A farewell tour?  
Boy Cord : 3/13/2019 9:47 pm : link
A fucking farewell tour? If they wanted to give Eli a proper sendoff they should have given Eli talent to work with. The worst WR corps in the league and nothing on defense are some really crappy parting gifts.

The only reason Eli is on this roster is for PR. Mara would rather pay Eli than go through the firestorm of releasing Eli in March.

Dave Hazlewood is providing cover for Mara with his mantra about the Chiefs grooming of Mahomes. And sucker Dave is telegraphing his desire to move up for a QB this draft. He is going to get fleeced. Again.

The Giants are clearly tanking 2019. We are going to see an entirely new depth of rock bottom that very few teams have ever experienced. Once the 2019 draft is over the Giants will be on the clcok. I’m just not sure why Eli wants to be a part of it.
It all depends on whether the Cards want Murray  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2019 9:49 pm : link
If they do, Rosen will be available and we have the picks to get him. If they dont’t, unless a team like Miami makes a blockbuster deal, Murray may very well be there at 6 if we want him so I am sure they are checking him out.
I said this in the Rosen thread  
kelsto811 : 3/13/2019 9:51 pm : link
Trying to put myself in Gettleman's shoes. Doesn't mean I agree but if they were dropping Eli, I feel like they'd have done it already.

I honestly feel like with Eli, they are being super conservative and focusing on what the best way is to handle him leaving NY with getting the least blood on their hands; perception, negative pub, fan reaction, loyalty...things like that. The whole fiasco with the Eli benching and the reaction is making DG, and definitely Mara, way too cautious on how their handling Eli. I love the social media age 🙄
Is It Certain Eli Will Want to Play  
clatterbuck : 3/13/2019 9:51 pm : link
in a rebuild scenario? Haven't seen any comment attributed to him since the Beckham trade. If it's clear Giants won't be competitive maybe he walks.
RE: ajr2456  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14334943 Eric from BBI said:
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Yup, but the Giants know they need to replace Eli. We also know for a fact - right or wrong - they felt Barkley was better than any QB in last year's draft. I wanted the Giants to draft a QB last April. Now, I'm leaning towards Gettleman made the right decision based on 2018 play. Obviously the next five years will tell us more definitively.

What we also seem to know is that the guy that half of BBI wanted - Rosen - is a guy the Cardinals may have already given up on after just one year.


The Cardinals aren't exactly a model of consistency right now, so it could be that they just see the new shiny toy (Murray) and want to ditch the one they just got (Rosen) so they can have the newer, "better" one.

I'm not 100% sold that ARZ being willing to deal Rosen means he's not workable - he has outstanding mechanics and throws a great ball. I definitely think there's a good talent base to work with there.

It could just be that they want to toss Rosen out with Wilks and let Kingsbury take his own guy instead.

(Not necessarily the case - but I'd think it's worth considering...)
If Eli is the quarterback, better win some games  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 9:53 pm : link
If they keep him and go 4-12 Gettleman and Shurmur should be out the door.
RE: If Eli is the quarterback, better win some games  
Sean : 3/13/2019 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14334976 Go Terps said:
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If they keep him and go 4-12 Gettleman and Shurmur should be out the door.


If I could tag Britt on this post, I would. I 1000% agree with this. You can’t have it both ways:

-Talk about examples where older QB’s won/talk about how Eli can still play behind a solid line.

-Say the team is years away & Eli is in an impossible situation.

If it’s the latter, we should move on from Eli now. If it’s the former, this team better do a helluva lot better than 5-11. Can’t have it both ways.
RE: I just don't see what Fromm or Herbert give you  
Eman11 : 3/13/2019 10:02 pm : link
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that Haskins doesn't. I'd actually argue at this point in time Haskins is a better prospect than those two. Herbert needs a ton of work and Fromm imo is just so mediocre.

Tua is another story. But Tua is going one unless he gets injured. I think anyone in the 1 spot next year is draft him unless they have an entrenched starter that got hurt and that is why they are 1. Is that going to be us? Idk, we have an easier schedule this year and we should be able to control the ball on offense. Probably good enough for 6 wins.


They give you more game experience for one thing. Fromm playing in the Natl Champ game and SEC champ game vs Bama shouldn't be discounted.

I know Haskins played in the Rose Bowl but Fromm has already played in the SEC Champ game twice, Nat'l Champ game and has another year to go. Those snaps are huge to me as well as starting and playing his whole career in the SEC.

I'm not saying getting him is a sure thing but I'm much more comfortable with him than a guy who only started one year.
The team has been bad for the last few years.  
joe48 : 3/13/2019 10:05 pm : link
We are rebuilding and John Mara has made the process more difficult because he is worried about hurting the Eli fans feelings. This is a business and people have to understand that in order to improve the team tough decisions need to be made. Mara has made DG job a lot tougher because he worries too much about what others think.
Sean  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 10:10 pm : link
What's amazing to me is the lack of interest in finding the next quarterback.

You know who the second most important player on the team was last year? Kyle Lauletta. From the moment he was drafted the mission had to be to prepare him to take the job. The failure in that area has been total. That guy was a lottery ticket the Giants never even tried to cash. Imagine if he'd been made the starter at 1-7 last year and played to the level of Nick Mullens in SF. All of a sudden maybe we have another premium pick to use at edge rusher, or offensive line, etc.

I thought this was why we hired Shurmur... To turn a flyer into 2017 Case Keenum so we wouldn't have to spend huge picks at quarterback.

I can't believe they aren't at least actively trying to get Rosen to replace Eli. But I'd even take going with Lauletta over paying Eli.

Better win this year.
RE: RE: Lmao  
Matt G : 3/13/2019 10:12 pm : link
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What pick did the Jets have to trade? And who says they would have traded them... They were clearly comfortable with any of the top 3 QBs and pleasantly surprised Darnold was still there



They weren't. They wanted Mayfield or Darnold. They knew the Giants were locked in on Saquon because the Giants are terrible at playing poker. They would have moved to 2. That's from someone in the Jets war room. (and last time i checked Jets are currently drafting 3rd so apparently they had some potential assets).

They had just traded 3 RD2s on a roster that deperately needed help... They weren't moving up again... Regardless of what "inside sources" say about what they "knew" the Giants would do...
RE: Sean  
Capt. Don : 3/13/2019 10:13 pm : link
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What's amazing to me is the lack of interest in finding the next quarterback.

You know who the second most important player on the team was last year? Kyle Lauletta. From the moment he was drafted the mission had to be to prepare him to take the job. The failure in that area has been total. That guy was a lottery ticket the Giants never even tried to cash. Imagine if he'd been made the starter at 1-7 last year and played to the level of Nick Mullens in SF. All of a sudden maybe we have another premium pick to use at edge rusher, or offensive line, etc.

I thought this was why we hired Shurmur... To turn a flyer into 2017 Case Keenum so we wouldn't have to spend huge picks at quarterback.

I can't believe they aren't at least actively trying to get Rosen to replace Eli. But I'd even take going with Lauletta over paying Eli.

Better win this year.


Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.

Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
And there is no 'in fact' when it comes to 'reports'  
Matt G : 3/13/2019 10:14 pm : link
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RE: RE: Sean  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14335033 Capt. Don said:
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.

Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.


It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
Geno Smith was picked off the scrap heap and cost them nothing  
Matt G : 3/13/2019 10:23 pm : link
Why would that make them gun shy?

Wasting a Top 10 pick on a Geno Smith-type talent on the other hand...
RE: RE: RE: Sean  
crick n NC : 3/13/2019 10:25 pm : link
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.

Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.



It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.


I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
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ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 10:28 pm : link
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.

Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.



It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.



I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.


Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Sean  
crick n NC : 3/13/2019 10:30 pm : link
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.

Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.



It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.



I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.



Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.


Maybe, maybe not. It's not like we have a poll to go by.
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christian : 3/13/2019 10:31 pm : link
It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.

The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 10:34 pm : link
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.

Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.



It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.



I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.



Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.



Maybe, maybe not. It's not like we have a poll to go by.


We have recent history. There was massive, public shaming of the team for Eli Manning not starting a game. Some fans bought a billboard ad mocking the franchise. It got a week of coverage on ESPN debating the merits of Eli's career and whether he deserved this sort of treatment from the team.
I’m just going off of  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 10:35 pm : link
What I’ve heard at games. The overall fan base may have liked Odell more, but the season ticket holders - Who trend towards higher age brackets, are very pro Eli
5 million  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2019 10:42 pm : link
Is definitely not worth the cost of Rosen. If they cut Eli now they lose leverage in dealing with Arizona for 1 or Rosen. The only way you get Rosen cheap is right before Arizona picks.
The point  
crick n NC : 3/13/2019 10:42 pm : link
Was if you're scared of backlash from fans then trading maybe the most popular player on the team for a disappointing return seems like a good way to get fans in an uproar season ticket holders or not. Bad PR is bad PR
This team and bad PR are best friends. It's the same owner  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2019 10:45 pm : link
that botched the Josh Brown situation, held a dog and pony show "mutual parting of ways" with Tom Coughlin, hired Ben McAdoo, and let the coach and GM bench Eli Manning, then pulled a takesies-backsies on the whole thing when the shit hit the fan.
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Go Terps : 3/13/2019 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14335082 christian said:
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It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.

The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?


If it was clear that Lauletta was a lost cause, why keep him? Why not raid sometime else's practice squad or make a trade for a prospect? Part of the flaw in the thinking is this notion that the next quarterback had to be a highly touted prospect.

The methodology is so, so flawed.
PR can not be a consideration in any move  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 10:48 pm : link
If it is, then we deserve to lose. We're trying to compete for a title with someone like Bill Belichick; this is a big boy game with no time for that foolishness.
It's a farewell tour alright  
jcn56 : 3/13/2019 10:51 pm : link
Farewell to a generation of younger Giants fans as they bolt for the exits, just like so many in NY/NJ did with the Cowboys and Steelers back in the day.
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christian : 3/13/2019 11:59 pm : link
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It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.

The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?



If it was clear that Lauletta was a lost cause, why keep him? Why not raid sometime else's practice squad or make a trade for a prospect? Part of the flaw in the thinking is this notion that the next quarterback had to be a highly touted prospect.

The methodology is so, so flawed.


Exactly. There's no better place to churn the roster than 3rd string, inactive QB.

I respect they ditched Webb when they realized he wasn't it. And seemingly every other position as evidenced by the near complete roster dump.

The only downside is finding an adequate, cheap QB, might get the Giants .333% winning football -- and ownership would never go for what that means.
We Giants fans like it that they are a classy organization  
81_Great_Dane : 3/14/2019 1:17 am : link
that has a “once a Giant, always a Giant” attitude. Treating Eli well is part
of that. The team views him as family. And they remember how bad it felt when they botched this situation with Simms, whom they viewed the same way.

So while we think about 2019 and “the plan,” they are thinking about their values as an organization. If you like those values you have to take the bad with the good.
RE: ajr2456  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 1:32 am : link
In comment 14334943 Eric from BBI said:
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What we also seem to know is that the guy that half of BBI wanted - Rosen - is a guy the Cardinals may have already given up on after just one year.


That's not really a fair commentary on Rosen. If they trade him it's because he doesn't fit into the new coach's scheme that includes a running QB, not because he's been deemed a failure as a QB in general. That sort of thing happens to lots of good players in a regime change. That's the reason McAdoo tried Geno instead of Eli.
i usually avoid these qb discussions because most who are in them  
plato : 3/14/2019 1:54 am : link
don’t remember the horror years of craig morton and all that fully meant. however i will add these to think about.

1.Rosen is one concussion away from retirement. Medically he is scary and playing the odds is not worth a huge investment in spite of good physical skills. His father being an orthopedist just accentuates the medical problem or medical decision making if he gets dinged badly enough. of course if he’s my son he’s playing baseball. So Eli in 2019 better choice and wait for qb in 2020.

2.Murray is just too short, an honest 5’7” and looks like he doesn’t have much frame to grow into. Again odds against those qbs maturing into great nfl players are dim. O I would not sell the farm for him either.

what we are left with, Eli and then sell out for the choice in what’s supposed to be good class in 2020 or hope haskins drops or take a flyer on the kid from MO this year.
i usually avoid these qb discussions because most who are in them  
plato : 3/14/2019 1:55 am : link
don’t remember the horror years of craig morton and all that fully meant. however i will add these to think about.

1.Rosen is one concussion away from retirement. Medically he is scary and playing the odds is not worth a huge investment in spite of good physical skills. His father being an orthopedist just accentuates the medical problem or medical decision making if he gets dinged badly enough. of course if he’s my son he’s playing baseball. So Eli in 2019 better choice and wait for qb in 2020.

2.Murray is just too short, an honest 5’7” and looks like he doesn’t have much frame to grow into. Again odds against those qbs maturing into great nfl players are dim. O I would not sell the farm for him either.

what we are left with, Eli and then sell out for the choice in what’s supposed to be good class in 2020 or hope haskins drops or take a flyer on the kid from MO this year.
RE: Geno Smith was picked off the scrap heap and cost them nothing  
Capt. Don : 3/14/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14335058 Matt G said:
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Why would that make them gun shy?

Wasting a Top 10 pick on a Geno Smith-type talent on the other hand...


Starting him over Eli in Oakland was the colossal fuck up.
So there's no one better to play QB this year...  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/14/2019 8:26 am : link
except you had access to Sam Darnold last year and now we have?

Barkley wasting another year.

Eli fighting with a terrible team.

No future QB in sight.

Incredible amounts of dead cap money.
This thread  
dep026 : 3/14/2019 8:38 am : link
is a colossal failure.

We have a fan taking polls of the popularity between Eli and OBj at games.... haha

it doesnt get worse than this.
RE: So there's no one better to play QB this year...  
section125 : 3/14/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14335505 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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except you had access to Sam Darnold last year and now we have?

Barkley wasting another year.

Eli fighting with a terrible team.

No future QB in sight.

Incredible amounts of dead cap money.


Jim, did you expect it would be resolved overnight?

Dead cap money - it is how you extricate yourself from shitty contracts to get a clean start.

There are ALWAYS questions as to where the next QB comes from and I frankly think QBs as we know them are changing and more styles of QB play will be successful so there will be more candidates.

Darnold, please....
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