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Graziano: the plan is a fairwell tour

ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 8:28 pm
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Another source pointed out that cutting Manning, a sure-fire future Ring of Honor member, to save $5 million wouldn't be the classiest way to treat one of the most accomplished and decorated players in the team's long history

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Said it b4 erlier  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 8:30 pm : link
Sentiment doesnt win games or build a future... It's not cool to fans or the other 52 guys fighting to win.
fairwell huh?  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2019 8:31 pm : link
We are criticizing professionals with jobs we can only dream of and we can't figure out the whole language thing? Sweet. I love this place.
Don't understand  
Marty866b : 3/13/2019 8:31 pm : link
Why Eli would want to be part of this mess next season? If I was him and I wanted to play, I'd ask for my release.
LOL.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 8:32 pm : link
What a joke. If BBI is any indication, Giants fans don't want a 'farewell tour'. We've been ready to move on for awhile.
Will they at least bring in a rookie?  
Oscar : 3/13/2019 8:32 pm : link
Farewell tour with a limited roster and no succession plan could get ugly.
RE: fairwell huh?  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14334685 Joey in VA said:
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We are criticizing professionals with jobs we can only dream of and we can't figure out the whole language thing? Sweet. I love this place.


Was on mobile and typing quick, but sure be a douche.
Simms was unceremoniously cut  
Matt G : 3/13/2019 8:33 pm : link
I’m in the “don’t draft a QB... keep Eli” camp but it has nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with the player that we are planning to build our franchise around
That said, we're going to blow this fall.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2019 8:34 pm : link
Give me Tua, Fromm, or Herbert.

And 21...Trevor 'Sexy Beast' Lawrence...
I am so over this shit  
Jints in Carolina : 3/13/2019 8:34 pm : link
CUT HIM
Farewell tour you say?  
Lambuth_Special : 3/13/2019 8:34 pm : link
This jives with Gettleman’s comment in the press release-  
Sean : 3/13/2019 8:37 pm : link
About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.

A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
Not sure how you make business decisions...  
EricJ : 3/13/2019 8:38 pm : link
for the good of the franchise with the entire roster, but when it comes to Eli you take a different stance.

If the right decision based upon the other available options is to keep Eli, then fine. If the opportunity exists to move on, then we have to do it.

Staying with Eli for sentiment reasons just goes against everything else they are doing right now.
I’m not having  
The Dude : 3/13/2019 8:38 pm : link
Fun today
RE: Not sure how you make business decisions...  
Sean : 3/13/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14334707 EricJ said:
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for the good of the franchise with the entire roster, but when it comes to Eli you take a different stance.

If the right decision based upon the other available options is to keep Eli, then fine. If the opportunity exists to move on, then we have to do it.

Staying with Eli for sentiment reasons just goes against everything else they are doing right now.


Agreed.
RE: I am so over this shit  
Hsilwek92 : 3/13/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14334698 Jints in Carolina said:
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CUT HIM


After the moronic trade, I agree. The writings on the wall now in permanent marker. They’re already wasting $16m this year. No reason to waste another $5m.
I'm for  
phil in arizona : 3/13/2019 8:40 pm : link
giving him a year with a good line.
RE: This jives with Gettleman’s comment in the press release-  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/13/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14334706 Sean said:
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About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.

A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.


Dont see it - basically saying that you're taking a dive for a yr in favor of a QB class for the following yr??? Na... besides, there are NO guarantees! If that were true, any pro team doesnt deserve fans (or their $).
RE: This jives with Gettleman’s comment in the press release-  
Festina Lente : 3/13/2019 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14334706 Sean said:
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About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.

A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.


You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.
Cutting Eli  
mrvax : 3/13/2019 8:42 pm : link
doesn't save $5M. It's a $17M savings if done by March 16th.
there are teams  
Enzo : 3/13/2019 8:43 pm : link
that prioritize winning...and then there's the NY Giants.
so long as they don't give him an extension  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 8:43 pm : link
there is no reason to free up cap space right now. There is no one worth getting. Just take a big of that big old shitburger this year and eat that dead cap space and free everything up for 2020, unfettered. If it's Eli's farewell tour, so be it. Why not, there won't be much else to root for other than nostalgia for 2007 and 2011.
That would be a dumb plan.  
an_idol_mind : 3/13/2019 8:44 pm : link
I don't see how Giants fans are going to feel warm and fuzzy about Eli as we watch him get pummeled for yet another season.
RE: RE: This jives with Gettleman’s comment in the press release-  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14334718 Festina Lente said:
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In comment 14334706 Sean said:


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About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.

A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.



You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.


Miami, Washington. Denver if they don’t grab one this year. Potentially teams like Pittsburgh, Chargers, Bengals, Minnesota, Oakland, Dallas.
The setlist  
Les in TO : 3/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
For this farewell tour is predictable and depressing. Like seeing an aging rocker squeezing into leather pants. Only suckers will pay big money to watch Eli check down into the sunset with a 4-12 record.
Maybe you need a Vet QB  
lono801 : 3/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
To make sure SB is at his best.

What a goddamn joke if true  
lawguy9801 : 3/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
I don't know what the fuck to think.

If we're rewarding for past performance and not trying to put the best product on the field, why the hell am I wasting my time watching or attending games?
RE: so long as they don't give him an extension  
Matt G : 3/13/2019 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14334722 Matt in SGS said:
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there is no reason to free up cap space right now. There is no one worth getting. Just take a big of that big old shitburger this year and eat that dead cap space and free everything up for 2020, unfettered. If it's Eli's farewell tour, so be it. Why not, there won't be much else to root for other than nostalgia for 2007 and 2011.

exactly
Classy?  
Rflairr : 3/13/2019 8:46 pm : link
Jeesh. They’ve made him one of the highest paid players in the league. They don’t owe him anything else
Maybe for each of the home games  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 8:47 pm : link
the Giants can trot out a legend with some tie to Eli. Have Tyree come out and wave at the crowd at halftime and tell stories of the helmet catch, while they are down by 21 points to the Redskins. That'll go over swell.
If this article is true we’re in bigger  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
Trouble than I thought. “They need to address Eli’s successor soon”. OH, YA THINK? Like maybe last year. Neither Murray or Haskins is going to be there at 12, so if you really want one of them, you need to use draft picks. Great!

“We’d be interested in Rosen if he becomes available”. Basically, if a player they could have taken last year drops in their lap, they’re in. whoop de fucking do.
This is 100% believable  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
100%.
If it's a farewell tour..  
Eli Wilson : 3/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
And DG believes in the KC model, then wouldn't he be targeting a QB in this draft?

Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.
RE: I'm for  
Hsilwek92 : 3/13/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14334714 phil in arizona said:
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giving him a year with a good line.


I was too and, it actually looked like that was happening with the Zeitler trade. Then they got rid of their best receiver.

There’s no point now. Cut him and save the money instead of basically having $21m of dead money on the roster this year.

People acting like Eli...  
Chris in Philly : 3/13/2019 8:50 pm : link
is to blame for all this shit show are ingrates.
Should be 6, obvs. Goddamn phone  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/13/2019 8:50 pm : link
.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 8:50 pm : link
Not sure why we couldn't just make 2018 the "farewell tour" or why we really feel compelled to do this rather than accelerate the rebuild by cutting bait, but... it certainly isn't unexpected.

It's not Eli's fault and it sucks that he's going to wind up the fall guy after another crappy season. I don't know why they want to subject him to that - but I guess the guy just wants to keep playing football right now and they don't seem to be able to say "it's time to move on"

if  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 8:51 pm : link
you read the article, the main point isn't some "farewell tour" but that (1) the Giants don't believe there is a better option at this moment, and (2) they know they have to replace him.

I suggest reading the article.
well this part was encouraging  
bluepepper : 3/13/2019 8:51 pm : link
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The Giants do, according to the sources, acknowledge the need to address the issue of Manning's successor at some point soon.


Yeah, these guys got it covered, stop worrying everyone.
RE: RE: RE: This jives with Gettleman’s comment in the press release-  
Festina Lente : 3/13/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14334726 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14334718 Festina Lente said:


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In comment 14334706 Sean said:


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About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.

A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.



You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.



Miami, Washington. Denver if they don’t grab one this year. Potentially teams like Pittsburgh, Chargers, Bengals, Minnesota, Oakland, Dallas.


Indeed, not to mention potentially many more depending on if they pass on a QB this year/how their QB's perform: New England, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Tampa etc.
I hope it works out for Eli,  
Go Terps : 3/13/2019 8:52 pm : link
but if you remove nostalgia and sentimentality this move is indefensible.
This year was a year too late. I love Barkley but this love  
Blue21 : 3/13/2019 8:53 pm : link
affair with Eli should have ended last year Barkley or no Barkley. By the time it's all said and done Eli will be booed first time he throws a pic at home. Fans are sick of this. First time I've been this disgusted with the Giants and this has nothing to do with the OBJ trade. We've sucked too long and the fans have been patient. Enough is enough. (Rant over)
Great, it's going to be awesome for him to get booed after  
ron mexico : 3/13/2019 8:53 pm : link
Every three and out this year, some farewell tour

holy hell  
giantfan2000 : 3/13/2019 8:53 pm : link
what a dumpster fire

CUT ELI
RE: If it's a farewell tour..  
Matt in SGS : 3/13/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14334744 Eli Wilson said:
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And DG believes in the KC model, then wouldn't he be targeting a QB in this draft?

Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.


The answer to that is, yes. I think the Giants have boxed themselves in to bringing in a "QB of the future" candidate this year. That's why, and I know those in the know say they won't do it, they should trade for Rosen.

Rosen will likely cost a 3rd rounder (which they just got). Indications are he's every good a prospect as Haskins and Lock, with the added bonus that he's been paid a good chunk of money already, so he won't cost much against the cap (good news for the Giants, since 15% of their cap is being paid to guys no on the team this year).

And you roll the dice with him, at a low risk and potentially high reward. He sits behind Eli to learn, and then takes over as the season predictably spirals out of control, just like pretty much 6 of the last 7 years. And the Giants can really, truly evaluate their next franchise QB. If he sucks, you go after a 2020 QB. If he works out, you have your guy and can focus elsewhere in 2020, with a shitload of cap space.

But if you go for Haskins, and he busts, you are burning a first round pick. And worse will be if they package 6 and 17 to trade up for a Haskins or Lock.

Get Rosen, see if he will work out, and if he doesn't, you have 2020 to fall back on...and you got real value at 6 and 17 to fill holes on the roster.
again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 8:54 pm : link
the phrase "farewell tour" isn't even mentioned in the article.
RE: if  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14334756 Eric from BBI said:
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you read the article, the main point isn't some "farewell tour" but that (1) the Giants don't believe there is a better option at this moment, and (2) they know they have to replace him.

I suggest reading the article.


Why have Pat Shurmur at Murray's pro day, then? Just due diligence?

It's entirely possible one of these young QB's are, indeed, a better option than Eli.

I also wonder when they decided that they "knew" they needed to replace him. If it was last year, those QB's weren't good enough?

I wasn't even mad at taking Barkley - and I still am not. But, it seems strange that they'd admit that they have to replace him, but pass on two entire QB classes. It's like they're saying one thing, and doing another. Which is it?
"farewell tour"  
mphbullet36 : 3/13/2019 8:55 pm : link
is a polite way to say we are tanking
RE: if  
ajr2456 : 3/13/2019 8:56 pm : link
In comment 14334756 Eric from BBI said:
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you read the article, the main point isn't some "farewell tour" but that (1) the Giants don't believe there is a better option at this moment, and (2) they know they have to replace him.

I suggest reading the article.


What does the quoted part about it not being the “classy thing to cut him” mean? It may not say the word but that’s essentially what it says.
arc  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2019 8:58 pm : link
There isn't a draft pick currently on the roster. The Giants have no idea who will be available in the draft when they pick.
RE: RE: If it's a farewell tour..  
Festina Lente : 3/13/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14334771 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14334744 Eli Wilson said:


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And DG believes in the KC model, then wouldn't he be targeting a QB in this draft?

Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.



The answer to that is, yes. I think the Giants have boxed themselves in to bringing in a "QB of the future" candidate this year. That's why, and I know those in the know say they won't do it, they should trade for Rosen.

Rosen will likely cost a 3rd rounder (which they just got). Indications are he's every good a prospect as Haskins and Lock, with the added bonus that he's been paid a good chunk of money already, so he won't cost much against the cap (good news for the Giants, since 15% of their cap is being paid to guys no on the team this year).

And you roll the dice with him, at a low risk and potentially high reward. He sits behind Eli to learn, and then takes over as the season predictably spirals out of control, just like pretty much 6 of the last 7 years. And the Giants can really, truly evaluate their next franchise QB. If he sucks, you go after a 2020 QB. If he works out, you have your guy and can focus elsewhere in 2020, with a shitload of cap space.

But if you go for Haskins, and he busts, you are burning a first round pick. And worse will be if they package 6 and 17 to trade up for a Haskins or Lock.

Get Rosen, see if he will work out, and if he doesn't, you have 2020 to fall back on...and you got real value at 6 and 17 to fill holes on the roster.


I agree with you. Young, smart, good skillset, 1 year of NFL experience, no injuries after getting smashed behind the worst O line in the NFL. Low risk. Think it'd cost a high second or second+3rd. Either way, we both know it's not happening.
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