Another source pointed out that cutting Manning, a sure-fire future Ring of Honor member, to save $5 million wouldn't be the classiest way to treat one of the most accomplished and decorated players in the team's long history
I’m in the “don’t draft a QB... keep Eli” camp but it has nothing to do with sentimentality and everything to do with the player that we are planning to build our franchise around
After the moronic trade, I agree. The writings on the wall now in permanent marker. They’re already wasting $16m this year. No reason to waste another $5m.
About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
Dont see it - basically saying that you're taking a dive for a yr in favor of a QB class for the following yr??? Na... besides, there are NO guarantees! If that were true, any pro team doesnt deserve fans (or their $).
RE: This jives with Gettleman’s comment in the press release- Â
there is no reason to free up cap space right now. There is no one worth getting. Just take a big of that big old shitburger this year and eat that dead cap space and free everything up for 2020, unfettered. If it's Eli's farewell tour, so be it. Why not, there won't be much else to root for other than nostalgia for 2007 and 2011.
For this farewell tour is predictable and depressing. Like seeing an aging rocker squeezing into leather pants. Only suckers will pay big money to watch Eli check down into the sunset with a 4-12 record.
If we're rewarding for past performance and not trying to put the best product on the field, why the hell am I wasting my time watching or attending games?
there is no reason to free up cap space right now. There is no one worth getting. Just take a big of that big old shitburger this year and eat that dead cap space and free everything up for 2020, unfettered. If it's Eli's farewell tour, so be it. Why not, there won't be much else to root for other than nostalgia for 2007 and 2011.
the Giants can trot out a legend with some tie to Eli. Have Tyree come out and wave at the crowd at halftime and tell stories of the helmet catch, while they are down by 21 points to the Redskins. That'll go over swell.
Trouble than I thought. “They need to address Eli’s successor soon”. OH, YA THINK? Like maybe last year. Neither Murray or Haskins is going to be there at 12, so if you really want one of them, you need to use draft picks. Great!
“We’d be interested in Rosen if he becomes available”. Basically, if a player they could have taken last year drops in their lap, they’re in. whoop de fucking do.
Not sure why we couldn't just make 2018 the "farewell tour" or why we really feel compelled to do this rather than accelerate the rebuild by cutting bait, but... it certainly isn't unexpected.
It's not Eli's fault and it sucks that he's going to wind up the fall guy after another crappy season. I don't know why they want to subject him to that - but I guess the guy just wants to keep playing football right now and they don't seem to be able to say "it's time to move on"
you read the article, the main point isn't some "farewell tour" but that (1) the Giants don't believe there is a better option at this moment, and (2) they know they have to replace him.
About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.
Miami, Washington. Denver if they don’t grab one this year. Potentially teams like Pittsburgh, Chargers, Bengals, Minnesota, Oakland, Dallas.
Indeed, not to mention potentially many more depending on if they pass on a QB this year/how their QB's perform: New England, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Tampa etc.
affair with Eli should have ended last year Barkley or no Barkley. By the time it's all said and done Eli will be booed first time he throws a pic at home. Fans are sick of this. First time I've been this disgusted with the Giants and this has nothing to do with the OBJ trade. We've sucked too long and the fans have been patient. Enough is enough. (Rant over)
Great, it's going to be awesome for him to get booed after Â
And DG believes in the KC model, then wouldn't he be targeting a QB in this draft?
Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.
The answer to that is, yes. I think the Giants have boxed themselves in to bringing in a "QB of the future" candidate this year. That's why, and I know those in the know say they won't do it, they should trade for Rosen.
Rosen will likely cost a 3rd rounder (which they just got). Indications are he's every good a prospect as Haskins and Lock, with the added bonus that he's been paid a good chunk of money already, so he won't cost much against the cap (good news for the Giants, since 15% of their cap is being paid to guys no on the team this year).
And you roll the dice with him, at a low risk and potentially high reward. He sits behind Eli to learn, and then takes over as the season predictably spirals out of control, just like pretty much 6 of the last 7 years. And the Giants can really, truly evaluate their next franchise QB. If he sucks, you go after a 2020 QB. If he works out, you have your guy and can focus elsewhere in 2020, with a shitload of cap space.
But if you go for Haskins, and he busts, you are burning a first round pick. And worse will be if they package 6 and 17 to trade up for a Haskins or Lock.
Get Rosen, see if he will work out, and if he doesn't, you have 2020 to fall back on...and you got real value at 6 and 17 to fill holes on the roster.
you read the article, the main point isn't some "farewell tour" but that (1) the Giants don't believe there is a better option at this moment, and (2) they know they have to replace him.
I suggest reading the article.
Why have Pat Shurmur at Murray's pro day, then? Just due diligence?
It's entirely possible one of these young QB's are, indeed, a better option than Eli.
I also wonder when they decided that they "knew" they needed to replace him. If it was last year, those QB's weren't good enough?
I wasn't even mad at taking Barkley - and I still am not. But, it seems strange that they'd admit that they have to replace him, but pass on two entire QB classes. It's like they're saying one thing, and doing another. Which is it?
you read the article, the main point isn't some "farewell tour" but that (1) the Giants don't believe there is a better option at this moment, and (2) they know they have to replace him.
I suggest reading the article.
What does the quoted part about it not being the “classy thing to cut him” mean? It may not say the word but that’s essentially what it says.
And DG believes in the KC model, then wouldn't he be targeting a QB in this draft?
Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.
The answer to that is, yes. I think the Giants have boxed themselves in to bringing in a "QB of the future" candidate this year. That's why, and I know those in the know say they won't do it, they should trade for Rosen.
Rosen will likely cost a 3rd rounder (which they just got). Indications are he's every good a prospect as Haskins and Lock, with the added bonus that he's been paid a good chunk of money already, so he won't cost much against the cap (good news for the Giants, since 15% of their cap is being paid to guys no on the team this year).
And you roll the dice with him, at a low risk and potentially high reward. He sits behind Eli to learn, and then takes over as the season predictably spirals out of control, just like pretty much 6 of the last 7 years. And the Giants can really, truly evaluate their next franchise QB. If he sucks, you go after a 2020 QB. If he works out, you have your guy and can focus elsewhere in 2020, with a shitload of cap space.
But if you go for Haskins, and he busts, you are burning a first round pick. And worse will be if they package 6 and 17 to trade up for a Haskins or Lock.
Get Rosen, see if he will work out, and if he doesn't, you have 2020 to fall back on...and you got real value at 6 and 17 to fill holes on the roster.
I agree with you. Young, smart, good skillset, 1 year of NFL experience, no injuries after getting smashed behind the worst O line in the NFL. Low risk. Think it'd cost a high second or second+3rd. Either way, we both know it's not happening.
Was on mobile and typing quick, but sure be a douche.
And 21...Trevor 'Sexy Beast' Lawrence...
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
If the right decision based upon the other available options is to keep Eli, then fine. If the opportunity exists to move on, then we have to do it.
Staying with Eli for sentiment reasons just goes against everything else they are doing right now.
If the right decision based upon the other available options is to keep Eli, then fine. If the opportunity exists to move on, then we have to do it.
Staying with Eli for sentiment reasons just goes against everything else they are doing right now.
Agreed.
After the moronic trade, I agree. The writings on the wall now in permanent marker. They’re already wasting $16m this year. No reason to waste another $5m.
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
Dont see it - basically saying that you're taking a dive for a yr in favor of a QB class for the following yr??? Na... besides, there are NO guarantees! If that were true, any pro team doesnt deserve fans (or their $).
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.
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About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.
Miami, Washington. Denver if they don’t grab one this year. Potentially teams like Pittsburgh, Chargers, Bengals, Minnesota, Oakland, Dallas.
If we're rewarding for past performance and not trying to put the best product on the field, why the hell am I wasting my time watching or attending games?
exactly
“We’d be interested in Rosen if he becomes available”. Basically, if a player they could have taken last year drops in their lap, they’re in. whoop de fucking do.
Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.
I was too and, it actually looked like that was happening with the Zeitler trade. Then they got rid of their best receiver.
There’s no point now. Cut him and save the money instead of basically having $21m of dead money on the roster this year.
It's not Eli's fault and it sucks that he's going to wind up the fall guy after another crappy season. I don't know why they want to subject him to that - but I guess the guy just wants to keep playing football right now and they don't seem to be able to say "it's time to move on"
I suggest reading the article.
Yeah, these guys got it covered, stop worrying everyone.
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About trying to win while building a team, so this doesn’t surprise me.
A lot of people have repeatedly said they like the 2020 QB class better, so that might be the plan.
You know why I hate this plan? Because I believe there will be a LOT more teams looking for QB's come 2019.
Miami, Washington. Denver if they don’t grab one this year. Potentially teams like Pittsburgh, Chargers, Bengals, Minnesota, Oakland, Dallas.
Indeed, not to mention potentially many more depending on if they pass on a QB this year/how their QB's perform: New England, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Tampa etc.
CUT ELI
Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.
The answer to that is, yes. I think the Giants have boxed themselves in to bringing in a "QB of the future" candidate this year. That's why, and I know those in the know say they won't do it, they should trade for Rosen.
Rosen will likely cost a 3rd rounder (which they just got). Indications are he's every good a prospect as Haskins and Lock, with the added bonus that he's been paid a good chunk of money already, so he won't cost much against the cap (good news for the Giants, since 15% of their cap is being paid to guys no on the team this year).
And you roll the dice with him, at a low risk and potentially high reward. He sits behind Eli to learn, and then takes over as the season predictably spirals out of control, just like pretty much 6 of the last 7 years. And the Giants can really, truly evaluate their next franchise QB. If he sucks, you go after a 2020 QB. If he works out, you have your guy and can focus elsewhere in 2020, with a shitload of cap space.
But if you go for Haskins, and he busts, you are burning a first round pick. And worse will be if they package 6 and 17 to trade up for a Haskins or Lock.
Get Rosen, see if he will work out, and if he doesn't, you have 2020 to fall back on...and you got real value at 6 and 17 to fill holes on the roster.
I suggest reading the article.
Why have Pat Shurmur at Murray's pro day, then? Just due diligence?
It's entirely possible one of these young QB's are, indeed, a better option than Eli.
I also wonder when they decided that they "knew" they needed to replace him. If it was last year, those QB's weren't good enough?
I wasn't even mad at taking Barkley - and I still am not. But, it seems strange that they'd admit that they have to replace him, but pass on two entire QB classes. It's like they're saying one thing, and doing another. Which is it?
I suggest reading the article.
What does the quoted part about it not being the “classy thing to cut him” mean? It may not say the word but that’s essentially what it says.
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And DG believes in the KC model, then wouldn't he be targeting a QB in this draft?
Possibly trading some of the draft assets to move up either from 6 or from 17.
The answer to that is, yes. I think the Giants have boxed themselves in to bringing in a "QB of the future" candidate this year. That's why, and I know those in the know say they won't do it, they should trade for Rosen.
Rosen will likely cost a 3rd rounder (which they just got). Indications are he's every good a prospect as Haskins and Lock, with the added bonus that he's been paid a good chunk of money already, so he won't cost much against the cap (good news for the Giants, since 15% of their cap is being paid to guys no on the team this year).
And you roll the dice with him, at a low risk and potentially high reward. He sits behind Eli to learn, and then takes over as the season predictably spirals out of control, just like pretty much 6 of the last 7 years. And the Giants can really, truly evaluate their next franchise QB. If he sucks, you go after a 2020 QB. If he works out, you have your guy and can focus elsewhere in 2020, with a shitload of cap space.
But if you go for Haskins, and he busts, you are burning a first round pick. And worse will be if they package 6 and 17 to trade up for a Haskins or Lock.
Get Rosen, see if he will work out, and if he doesn't, you have 2020 to fall back on...and you got real value at 6 and 17 to fill holes on the roster.
I agree with you. Young, smart, good skillset, 1 year of NFL experience, no injuries after getting smashed behind the worst O line in the NFL. Low risk. Think it'd cost a high second or second+3rd. Either way, we both know it's not happening.