Another source pointed out that cutting Manning, a sure-fire future Ring of Honor member, to save $5 million wouldn't be the classiest way to treat one of the most accomplished and decorated players in the team's long history
Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
Maybe, maybe not. It's not like we have a poll to go by.
It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.
The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
Maybe, maybe not. It's not like we have a poll to go by.
We have recent history. There was massive, public shaming of the team for Eli Manning not starting a game. Some fans bought a billboard ad mocking the franchise. It got a week of coverage on ESPN debating the merits of Eli's career and whether he deserved this sort of treatment from the team.
What I’ve heard at games. The overall fan base may have liked Odell more, but the season ticket holders - Who trend towards higher age brackets, are very pro Eli
Is definitely not worth the cost of Rosen. If they cut Eli now they lose leverage in dealing with Arizona for 1 or Rosen. The only way you get Rosen cheap is right before Arizona picks.
Was if you're scared of backlash from fans then trading maybe the most popular player on the team for a disappointing return seems like a good way to get fans in an uproar season ticket holders or not. Bad PR is bad PR
This team and bad PR are best friends. It's the same owner Â
that botched the Josh Brown situation, held a dog and pony show "mutual parting of ways" with Tom Coughlin, hired Ben McAdoo, and let the coach and GM bench Eli Manning, then pulled a takesies-backsies on the whole thing when the shit hit the fan.
It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.
The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
If it was clear that Lauletta was a lost cause, why keep him? Why not raid sometime else's practice squad or make a trade for a prospect? Part of the flaw in the thinking is this notion that the next quarterback had to be a highly touted prospect.
If it is, then we deserve to lose. We're trying to compete for a title with someone like Bill Belichick; this is a big boy game with no time for that foolishness.
Farewell to a generation of younger Giants fans as they bolt for the exits, just like so many in NY/NJ did with the Cowboys and Steelers back in the day.
It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.
The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
If it was clear that Lauletta was a lost cause, why keep him? Why not raid sometime else's practice squad or make a trade for a prospect? Part of the flaw in the thinking is this notion that the next quarterback had to be a highly touted prospect.
The methodology is so, so flawed.
Exactly. There's no better place to churn the roster than 3rd string, inactive QB.
I respect they ditched Webb when they realized he wasn't it. And seemingly every other position as evidenced by the near complete roster dump.
The only downside is finding an adequate, cheap QB, might get the Giants .333% winning football -- and ownership would never go for what that means.
We Giants fans like it that they are a classy organization Â
that has a “once a Giant, always a Giant” attitude. Treating Eli well is part
of that. The team views him as family. And they remember how bad it felt when they botched this situation with Simms, whom they viewed the same way.
So while we think about 2019 and “the plan,” they are thinking about their values as an organization. If you like those values you have to take the bad with the good.
What we also seem to know is that the guy that half of BBI wanted - Rosen - is a guy the Cardinals may have already given up on after just one year.
That's not really a fair commentary on Rosen. If they trade him it's because he doesn't fit into the new coach's scheme that includes a running QB, not because he's been deemed a failure as a QB in general. That sort of thing happens to lots of good players in a regime change. That's the reason McAdoo tried Geno instead of Eli.
i usually avoid these qb discussions because most who are in them Â
don’t remember the horror years of craig morton and all that fully meant. however i will add these to think about.
1.Rosen is one concussion away from retirement. Medically he is scary and playing the odds is not worth a huge investment in spite of good physical skills. His father being an orthopedist just accentuates the medical problem or medical decision making if he gets dinged badly enough. of course if he’s my son he’s playing baseball. So Eli in 2019 better choice and wait for qb in 2020.
2.Murray is just too short, an honest 5’7” and looks like he doesn’t have much frame to grow into. Again odds against those qbs maturing into great nfl players are dim. O I would not sell the farm for him either.
what we are left with, Eli and then sell out for the choice in what’s supposed to be good class in 2020 or hope haskins drops or take a flyer on the kid from MO this year.
i usually avoid these qb discussions because most who are in them Â
don’t remember the horror years of craig morton and all that fully meant. however i will add these to think about.
1.Rosen is one concussion away from retirement. Medically he is scary and playing the odds is not worth a huge investment in spite of good physical skills. His father being an orthopedist just accentuates the medical problem or medical decision making if he gets dinged badly enough. of course if he’s my son he’s playing baseball. So Eli in 2019 better choice and wait for qb in 2020.
2.Murray is just too short, an honest 5’7” and looks like he doesn’t have much frame to grow into. Again odds against those qbs maturing into great nfl players are dim. O I would not sell the farm for him either.
what we are left with, Eli and then sell out for the choice in what’s supposed to be good class in 2020 or hope haskins drops or take a flyer on the kid from MO this year.
RE: Geno Smith was picked off the scrap heap and cost them nothing Â
except you had access to Sam Darnold last year and now we have?
Barkley wasting another year.
Eli fighting with a terrible team.
No future QB in sight.
Incredible amounts of dead cap money.
Jim, did you expect it would be resolved overnight?
Dead cap money - it is how you extricate yourself from shitty contracts to get a clean start.
There are ALWAYS questions as to where the next QB comes from and I frankly think QBs as we know them are changing and more styles of QB play will be successful so there will be more candidates.
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
Maybe, maybe not. It's not like we have a poll to go by.
The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
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Exactly...It feels like a fear of failure at the QB that is preventing them from taking calculated risks necessary to succeed at the position.
Their colossal fuck up with Geno Smith has made them gun shy.
It's exactly what I thought would happen. John got so many letters from the fans he got scared shitless.
I don't buy this. Fans are pretty pissed that Beckham was traded, I'm sure Mara signed off on it. If you're scared of the fans you don't trade a fan favorite in Beckham. It could be argued that Beckham was more popular than Manning.
Not with a majority of the season ticket holder base.
Maybe, maybe not. It's not like we have a poll to go by.
We have recent history. There was massive, public shaming of the team for Eli Manning not starting a game. Some fans bought a billboard ad mocking the franchise. It got a week of coverage on ESPN debating the merits of Eli's career and whether he deserved this sort of treatment from the team.
The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
If it was clear that Lauletta was a lost cause, why keep him? Why not raid sometime else's practice squad or make a trade for a prospect? Part of the flaw in the thinking is this notion that the next quarterback had to be a highly touted prospect.
The methodology is so, so flawed.
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It's difficult for me to believe management and the staff scouted Lualetta, decided he was valuable enough to spend a midround draft pick on, and didn't spend last year really finding out if they were somewhat right.
The team was 1-7 at one point -- if that's not when you promote a guy to no. 2 and have him ready for mop-up -- when is?
If it was clear that Lauletta was a lost cause, why keep him? Why not raid sometime else's practice squad or make a trade for a prospect? Part of the flaw in the thinking is this notion that the next quarterback had to be a highly touted prospect.
The methodology is so, so flawed.
Exactly. There's no better place to churn the roster than 3rd string, inactive QB.
I respect they ditched Webb when they realized he wasn't it. And seemingly every other position as evidenced by the near complete roster dump.
The only downside is finding an adequate, cheap QB, might get the Giants .333% winning football -- and ownership would never go for what that means.
of that. The team views him as family. And they remember how bad it felt when they botched this situation with Simms, whom they viewed the same way.
So while we think about 2019 and “the plan,” they are thinking about their values as an organization. If you like those values you have to take the bad with the good.
What we also seem to know is that the guy that half of BBI wanted - Rosen - is a guy the Cardinals may have already given up on after just one year.
That's not really a fair commentary on Rosen. If they trade him it's because he doesn't fit into the new coach's scheme that includes a running QB, not because he's been deemed a failure as a QB in general. That sort of thing happens to lots of good players in a regime change. That's the reason McAdoo tried Geno instead of Eli.
1.Rosen is one concussion away from retirement. Medically he is scary and playing the odds is not worth a huge investment in spite of good physical skills. His father being an orthopedist just accentuates the medical problem or medical decision making if he gets dinged badly enough. of course if he’s my son he’s playing baseball. So Eli in 2019 better choice and wait for qb in 2020.
2.Murray is just too short, an honest 5’7” and looks like he doesn’t have much frame to grow into. Again odds against those qbs maturing into great nfl players are dim. O I would not sell the farm for him either.
what we are left with, Eli and then sell out for the choice in what’s supposed to be good class in 2020 or hope haskins drops or take a flyer on the kid from MO this year.
1.Rosen is one concussion away from retirement. Medically he is scary and playing the odds is not worth a huge investment in spite of good physical skills. His father being an orthopedist just accentuates the medical problem or medical decision making if he gets dinged badly enough. of course if he’s my son he’s playing baseball. So Eli in 2019 better choice and wait for qb in 2020.
2.Murray is just too short, an honest 5’7” and looks like he doesn’t have much frame to grow into. Again odds against those qbs maturing into great nfl players are dim. O I would not sell the farm for him either.
what we are left with, Eli and then sell out for the choice in what’s supposed to be good class in 2020 or hope haskins drops or take a flyer on the kid from MO this year.
Wasting a Top 10 pick on a Geno Smith-type talent on the other hand...
Starting him over Eli in Oakland was the colossal fuck up.
Barkley wasting another year.
Eli fighting with a terrible team.
No future QB in sight.
Incredible amounts of dead cap money.
We have a fan taking polls of the popularity between Eli and OBj at games.... haha
it doesnt get worse than this.
Barkley wasting another year.
Eli fighting with a terrible team.
No future QB in sight.
Incredible amounts of dead cap money.
Jim, did you expect it would be resolved overnight?
Dead cap money - it is how you extricate yourself from shitty contracts to get a clean start.
There are ALWAYS questions as to where the next QB comes from and I frankly think QBs as we know them are changing and more styles of QB play will be successful so there will be more candidates.
Darnold, please....