But it still is a bummer. Oh well. Trot Eli out there for one last painful season on his resume.
I can't think of an offseason in the last decade that has began so brutally.
This nails it.
As far as, 'let's see what happens', we've said that for 7 straight years now and are 20 games under .500 in this time period with Eli now older than he was in the previous seasons, and with less offensive weapons than ever. Imagine being that lost to say, 'lets see what happens.' But hey, one more sub .500 year is fine by me. Just sucks for Eli himself and his career record. But, oh well. No sympathy from me in the least.
These stories mean nothing. Even if they pay him the bonus now a lot can happen before the season.
If it’s an obvious tear down, then it doesn’t matter if Eli is still here or not. His salary is not preventing them from signing some mythical major free agent, so all of this drama is for nothing. Whether they draft a guy this year or next, it doesn’t matter in the end if the let him finish out 2019 or drop him tomorrow. So just let him finish 2019 if he wants to. Those 2 Super Bowls earns him that. This organization failed him over and over with their bungling of the OL for years. If he wants to be here for another year, let him be here.
This.
Although why he wants to stay is beyond me. With the money he’s already made, how is it worth it for him to try and prop up the team—again—all the while the team punching bag?
Right now the don't have another QB, not even a decent backup. Maybe the draft/sign/trade for one, maybe they don't. Even DG can't be sure at this point.
I don't think a single person on this site is truly surprised.
More like disappointed the Giants might not wait out a few days and see if a Fitzpatrick, McCown, or Taylor is available at a significant saving to baby sit this obvious tear down.
If it’s an obvious tear down, then it doesn’t matter if Eli is still here or not. His salary is not preventing them from signing some mythical major free agent, so all of this drama is for nothing. Whether they draft a guy this year or next, it doesn’t matter in the end if the let him finish out 2019 or drop him tomorrow. So just let him finish 2019 if he wants to. Those 2 Super Bowls earns him that. This organization failed him over and over with their bungling of the OL for years. If he wants to be here for another year, let him be here.
It does matter when you tie the last two years of moves together.
I’d bet them not taking a QB is more before they don’t want the fan backlash than not liking them. We all saw the reaction when they benched them. They saw the Odell reaction, you think they’re going to anger those fans again by drafting Eli’s replacement? No shot, not on thin skinned Mara’s watch.
I’m certainly not going to tell fans how to feel about this. Â
And people are entitled to be excited about another season with Eli. But to me, his exit has not proceeded gracefully like Jeter, or Kobe, or Wade but as a once great boxer, well past his prime, who keeps stepping in the ring with younger foes to get pummeled in hopes of one last championship run. Just me, and I love Eli who has pioneered some incredible moments for the Giants, but brother, when it’s over it’s over.
Knowing the competitor Eli is, and he is an absolute competitor, I cannot for the life of me understand why he’d want to Quarterback this team for one last throwaway season.
RE: I’m certainly not going to tell fans how to feel about this. Â
And people are entitled to be excited about another season with Eli. But to me, his exit has not proceeded gracefully like Jeter, or Kobe, or Wade but as a once great boxer, well past his prime, who keeps stepping in the ring with younger foes to get pummeled in hopes of one last championship run. Just me, and I love Eli who has pioneered some incredible moments for the Giants, but brother, when it’s over it’s over.
Knowing the competitor Eli is, and he is an absolute competitor, I cannot for the life of me understand why he’d want to Quarterback this team for one last throwaway season.
I could see him asking for his release and then waiting and seeing if something comes his way.
...they need to get a right tackle and wide receiver "for Eli Manning."
Rather, they need to get both for the TEAM and for whomever is under center.
At this stage in his career, Eli Manning is on the team for two reasons:
(1) Giants management feels he gives them the best chance to win the most games in 2019;
(2) The Giants are very loyal to their star citizen and future HOF QB, and with only one year left in his career they do not want to dump him unceremoniously.
You guys kicking Eli in the balls, who exactly do you want at the QB1? Bridgewater? Foles? Webb? Just don’t understand why people don’t see that Eli’s our best available option. But if anyone has another idea, by all means put it in a post because it would be great to read something other than the same old complaints.
in the balls. I think we all recognize his greatness in years past, and appreciate the representative he’s been for the club. Not understanding why he still needs to make nearly 20’million in a tear down, throwaway season isn’t really disrespecting the guy, who will literally become the highest earning player in NFL history surpassing his brother. For the most part, the Giants and us fans have only done right by Eli honestly.
You guys kicking Eli in the balls, who exactly do you want at the QB1? Bridgewater? Foles? Webb? Just don’t understand why people don’t see that Eli’s our best available option. But if anyone has another idea, by all means put it in a post because it would be great to read something other than the same old complaints.
Best option for what?
Competing for a SB? Competing for a division title? Competing for a wildcard? Getting to .500? Getting to 7 wins?
Finally, when is having an extra $17M of available cap space to invest a bad thing?
I look forward to nothing substantive.
So in some instances the team will jettison players Â
Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
You guys kicking Eli in the balls, who exactly do you want at the QB1? Bridgewater? Foles? Webb? Just don’t understand why people don’t see that Eli’s our best available option. But if anyone has another idea, by all means put it in a post because it would be great to read something other than the same old complaints.
Best option for what?
Competing for a SB? Competing for a division title? Competing for a wildcard? Getting to .500? Getting to 7 wins?
Finally, when is having an extra $17M of available cap space to invest a bad thing?
I look forward to nothing substantive.
You aren't going to change the group of delusional posters collective minds. The blind faith is real.
All the hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth over $5M Â
is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
It doesn’t really matter who is under center. The object isn’t really to win, but to build and get people opportunities and experience. If they want to give Eli a proper farewell, that’s fine, but does he need to make 17 million to do that? I don’t know. Seems expensive for a pony show.
RE: All the hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth over $5M Â
is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
RE: All the hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth over $5M Â
is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
I appreciate Eli, but shit I am tired of the "get him x position and see what happens" sentiments. That's fine if you're still holding out hope, but at this point it's painful to watch.
I agree with Montana. Eli looked better the second half of the season with some improvement in the OLine play. It was the defense that killed us the second half of the season. get hime the RT and another WR or TE.
I’m just voicing my thoughts, but it’s more just me not understanding then actually complaining. If the Giants don’t need the cap space then fine, I guess, though it’s still early in free agency.
RE: All the hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth over $5M Â
is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
Right now the don't have another QB, not even a decent backup. Maybe the draft/sign/trade for one, maybe they don't. Even DG can't be sure at this point.
I don't think a single person on this site is truly surprised.
More like disappointed the Giants might not wait out a few days and see if a Fitzpatrick, McCown, or Taylor is available at a significant saving to baby sit this obvious tear down.
If it’s an obvious tear down, then it doesn’t matter if Eli is still here or not. His salary is not preventing them from signing some mythical major free agent, so all of this drama is for nothing. Whether they draft a guy this year or next, it doesn’t matter in the end if the let him finish out 2019 or drop him tomorrow. So just let him finish 2019 if he wants to. Those 2 Super Bowls earns him that. This organization failed him over and over with their bungling of the OL for years. If he wants to be here for another year, let him be here.
Chris -- you are one of the better posters through and through on this site -- and that is one of the biggest loads of crap I've seen posted here.
You know very well it's not about a mythical free agent, it's that the money rolls over and can be used to bolster the team at any point.
And good grief -- they aren't the New York Elis. No one let him down -- the management and staff let the organization and fans down by not producing a winner
If this teams is making personnel decisions because of loyalty and accomplishments from a decade ago, yikes.
is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
If you limp into the draft with Kyle and Alex at the top of the depth chart, you are telegraphing to the other 31 teams that you "need" a QB at that moment. Yes, we need a QB to transition from Manning, but that is different than actually not having Manning on the roster. I expect that depending how the draft falls this year will determine if Eli is extended. If no QB, then Eli signs an extension for next year.
I have been saying since the end of the season that Eli would play out his contract with the Giants in 2019.
You should get pissed if they were to extend him.
Now they need to find his replacement either through the draft or trade for Rosen.
Build the OL and DL with all of these draft choices. This has been where DG shines.
A viable alternative before they release him? I can only see them releasing him if they trade for Rosen.
Was there one before they traded Odell or Vernon?
Oh please! You’re comparing the importance of QB to other positional players?
So the QB position is important but we’ve put up with sub par performance at a premium price for three seasons, and that’s ok. Got it.
MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE OL. Is that loud enough? Continue to fix that and we can be productive with Eli, his successor and SB controlling things in and out of the backfield
is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
If you limp into the draft with Kyle and Alex at the top of the depth chart, you are telegraphing to the other 31 teams that you "need" a QB at that moment. Yes, we need a QB to transition from Manning, but that is different than actually not having Manning on the roster. I expect that depending how the draft falls this year will determine if Eli is extended. If no QB, then Eli signs an extension for next year.
You’re too fucking rational. You need a break from here
RE: So in some instances the team will jettison players Â
Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Right or wrong, you can take your second paragraph and imply the inverse. DG is given free reign to craft the roster as he sees fit, but when it comes to decisions such as OBJ, you can be sure that he is getting approval from Mara/Tisch.
RE: RE: So in some instances the team will jettison players Â
Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Right or wrong, you can take your second paragraph and imply the inverse. DG is given free reign to craft the roster as he sees fit, but when it comes to decisions such as OBJ, you can be sure that he is getting approval from Mara/Tisch.
Teams aren’t that naive. They know the Giants could possibly make a move for a QB. They aren’t fooling any of the other teams in the league while keeping Eli. If anything it makes them that much more desperate next year.
Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Right or wrong, you can take your second paragraph and imply the inverse. DG is given free reign to craft the roster as he sees fit, but when it comes to decisions such as OBJ, you can be sure that he is getting approval from Mara/Tisch.
As DG should
I 100% agree. Some will complain that there are "too many cooks in the kitchen", but seeking a consensus from ownership as it pertains to key decisions is good business.
The ability to roll over that empty cap space will be huge for next year when we have a ton of money to spend.
But this front office isn’t that forward thinking I guess.
How much is too much? Right now, there is an estimated $90M under the cap for 2020.
$107 million is better than $90 million. You’d rather have less cap space for what reason?
In 2018 the Titans were able to spend $207 million against an $177 million cap. There’s a thread comparing us to the 2016 Browns, well in the 2018 off season they rolled over $60 million in cap. When trying to take full advantage of Barkley’s skills why wouldn’t you want as much cap space as possible?
Get him a RT and a decent WR and lets see what happens
Good.. hahahahaa a RT and a decent WR let’s see what happens? They just traded the best WR in the game and there were 11 offensive lines that ranked worse then the giants and two of them were playoff teams that won more then 10 games when is this washed up QB ever to blame?
This is typical of the dumbasserie that has become epidemic on this site lately...
Which 2 playoff teams had "worse OL's"...???
And that’s cap space that doesn’t just have to be Â
From a simple argument - yes more cap space is better than less, but it is only meaningful if you intend to spend it. For every million not spent, it is essentially another million profit for Mara/Tisch. When it comes to the cap, the ideal balance is to field the most competitive roster year in and year out with the limited cap space. Having $60M to carryover is theft for the players that are putting their health on the line and the fans paying for the product.
Look at DG's history. There is no evidence that he has shown a propensity to spend $100M in cap space in a given season. For every dollar "saved and carried over", is just another dollar in Mara/Tisch's Scrooge McDuck fantasy of swimming in gold.
dead money and zero cap space for Eli next year is way better. I know fans will get caught up in the noise but 2020 was always the plan to start fresh.
he is our only QB right now. Did you want the Giants to cut him yesterday? Then what? We have no QB and it also then tips our hand on what we are targeting in the draft.
Did anyone here think the Giants would just dump Eli even if we drafted someone with the #6 pick?
you either think that using $17M that could go to the future payroll of the team instead to pay a player for past service and good behavior is a responsible/acceptable thing to do, or you don't.
I personally don't.
Of the many that do, lots seem to simply ignore the fact that unused salary cap space carries forward from year to year.
"What else were we going to use it for this year?" is literally a nonsense justification.
he is our only QB right now. Did you want the Giants to cut him yesterday? Then what? We have no QB and it also then tips our hand on what we are targeting in the draft.
Did anyone here think the Giants would just dump Eli even if we drafted someone with the #6 pick?
It's not a zero sum game -- the Giants can sign a different, cheaper quarterback to babysit.
Every other GM in the NFL knows the Giants are in the market for a quarterback at 6, if Manning is here or not.
If it’s an obvious tear down, then it doesn’t matter if Eli is still here or not. His salary is not preventing them from signing some mythical major free agent, so all of this drama is for nothing. Whether they draft a guy this year or next, it doesn’t matter in the end if the let him finish out 2019 or drop him tomorrow. So just let him finish 2019 if he wants to. Those 2 Super Bowls earns him that. This organization failed him over and over with their bungling of the OL for years. If he wants to be here for another year, let him be here.
I'll never understand why people can't wrap their head around this.
If you want him gone, just admit it's because it's for the sake of him being gone. Don't disguise your pitchfork, point it.
There is not one sensible reason to dump Eli Manning for Ryan Fitzpatrick or anybody like him.
But there is a sensible reason to go after someone like Murray, cut bait with Eli, and use the cap savings to strengthen the rest of the team.
We'd have the QB/RB both on rookie deals and room to maneuver around them for about 4 years.
The only reason you'd keep Eli in 2019 is to try and win football games. This team isn't good enough to do that right now. We have way too many holes and still don't have enough picks/space to plug them all/fix them all.
It seems like a waste of a year to just "go for it" with Eli again.
We've been doing this over and over again. It isn't working.
RE: So in some instances the team will jettison players Â
Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
I don't necessarily agree. I think it's as likely as not that they will throw Fromm immediately into the wolves.
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But it still is a bummer. Oh well. Trot Eli out there for one last painful season on his resume.
I can't think of an offseason in the last decade that has began so brutally.
This nails it.
As far as, 'let's see what happens', we've said that for 7 straight years now and are 20 games under .500 in this time period with Eli now older than he was in the previous seasons, and with less offensive weapons than ever. Imagine being that lost to say, 'lets see what happens.' But hey, one more sub .500 year is fine by me. Just sucks for Eli himself and his career record. But, oh well. No sympathy from me in the least.
These stories mean nothing. Even if they pay him the bonus now a lot can happen before the season.
This.
Although why he wants to stay is beyond me. With the money he’s already made, how is it worth it for him to try and prop up the team—again—all the while the team punching bag?
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Right now the don't have another QB, not even a decent backup. Maybe the draft/sign/trade for one, maybe they don't. Even DG can't be sure at this point.
I don't think a single person on this site is truly surprised.
More like disappointed the Giants might not wait out a few days and see if a Fitzpatrick, McCown, or Taylor is available at a significant saving to baby sit this obvious tear down.
If it’s an obvious tear down, then it doesn’t matter if Eli is still here or not. His salary is not preventing them from signing some mythical major free agent, so all of this drama is for nothing. Whether they draft a guy this year or next, it doesn’t matter in the end if the let him finish out 2019 or drop him tomorrow. So just let him finish 2019 if he wants to. Those 2 Super Bowls earns him that. This organization failed him over and over with their bungling of the OL for years. If he wants to be here for another year, let him be here.
It does matter when you tie the last two years of moves together.
I’d bet them not taking a QB is more before they don’t want the fan backlash than not liking them. We all saw the reaction when they benched them. They saw the Odell reaction, you think they’re going to anger those fans again by drafting Eli’s replacement? No shot, not on thin skinned Mara’s watch.
Knowing the competitor Eli is, and he is an absolute competitor, I cannot for the life of me understand why he’d want to Quarterback this team for one last throwaway season.
Knowing the competitor Eli is, and he is an absolute competitor, I cannot for the life of me understand why he’d want to Quarterback this team for one last throwaway season.
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Don't worry, we'll be good again soon and you can pull your Houdini act...
Thank you. He needs to be severely punished
...they need to get a right tackle and wide receiver "for Eli Manning."
Rather, they need to get both for the TEAM and for whomever is under center.
At this stage in his career, Eli Manning is on the team for two reasons:
(1) Giants management feels he gives them the best chance to win the most games in 2019;
(2) The Giants are very loyal to their star citizen and future HOF QB, and with only one year left in his career they do not want to dump him unceremoniously.
Best option for what?
Competing for a SB? Competing for a division title? Competing for a wildcard? Getting to .500? Getting to 7 wins?
Finally, when is having an extra $17M of available cap space to invest a bad thing?
I look forward to nothing substantive.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Was there one before they traded Odell or Vernon?
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You guys kicking Eli in the balls, who exactly do you want at the QB1? Bridgewater? Foles? Webb? Just don’t understand why people don’t see that Eli’s our best available option. But if anyone has another idea, by all means put it in a post because it would be great to read something other than the same old complaints.
Best option for what?
Competing for a SB? Competing for a division title? Competing for a wildcard? Getting to .500? Getting to 7 wins?
Finally, when is having an extra $17M of available cap space to invest a bad thing?
I look forward to nothing substantive.
You aren't going to change the group of delusional posters collective minds. The blind faith is real.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
I agree with Montana. Eli looked better the second half of the season with some improvement in the OLine play. It was the defense that killed us the second half of the season. get hime the RT and another WR or TE.
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A viable alternative before they release him? I can only see them releasing him if they trade for Rosen.
Was there one before they traded Odell or Vernon?
Oh please! You’re comparing the importance of QB to other positional players?
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Right now the don't have another QB, not even a decent backup. Maybe the draft/sign/trade for one, maybe they don't. Even DG can't be sure at this point.
I don't think a single person on this site is truly surprised.
More like disappointed the Giants might not wait out a few days and see if a Fitzpatrick, McCown, or Taylor is available at a significant saving to baby sit this obvious tear down.
If it’s an obvious tear down, then it doesn’t matter if Eli is still here or not. His salary is not preventing them from signing some mythical major free agent, so all of this drama is for nothing. Whether they draft a guy this year or next, it doesn’t matter in the end if the let him finish out 2019 or drop him tomorrow. So just let him finish 2019 if he wants to. Those 2 Super Bowls earns him that. This organization failed him over and over with their bungling of the OL for years. If he wants to be here for another year, let him be here.
Chris -- you are one of the better posters through and through on this site -- and that is one of the biggest loads of crap I've seen posted here.
You know very well it's not about a mythical free agent, it's that the money rolls over and can be used to bolster the team at any point.
And good grief -- they aren't the New York Elis. No one let him down -- the management and staff let the organization and fans down by not producing a winner
If this teams is making personnel decisions because of loyalty and accomplishments from a decade ago, yikes.
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A viable alternative before they release him? I can only see them releasing him if they trade for Rosen.
Was there one before they traded Odell or Vernon?
Oh please! You’re comparing the importance of QB to other positional players?
So the QB position is important but we’ve put up with sub par performance at a premium price for three seasons, and that’s ok. Got it.
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is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
If you limp into the draft with Kyle and Alex at the top of the depth chart, you are telegraphing to the other 31 teams that you "need" a QB at that moment. Yes, we need a QB to transition from Manning, but that is different than actually not having Manning on the roster. I expect that depending how the draft falls this year will determine if Eli is extended. If no QB, then Eli signs an extension for next year.
You should get pissed if they were to extend him.
Now they need to find his replacement either through the draft or trade for Rosen.
Build the OL and DL with all of these draft choices. This has been where DG shines.
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A viable alternative before they release him? I can only see them releasing him if they trade for Rosen.
Was there one before they traded Odell or Vernon?
Oh please! You’re comparing the importance of QB to other positional players?
So the QB position is important but we’ve put up with sub par performance at a premium price for three seasons, and that’s ok. Got it.
MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE OL. Is that loud enough? Continue to fix that and we can be productive with Eli, his successor and SB controlling things in and out of the backfield
But this front office isn’t that forward thinking I guess.
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is BBI histrionics on display. At this point, it is just an insurance payment until after the draft. A Rosen trade might be available. Haskins/Lock/Jones might be drafted. We don't know how the draft will fall. Dave isn't shopping hungry in the draft.
How’s he not shopping hungry? Everyone knows he has to take a QB one of the next two years.
If you limp into the draft with Kyle and Alex at the top of the depth chart, you are telegraphing to the other 31 teams that you "need" a QB at that moment. Yes, we need a QB to transition from Manning, but that is different than actually not having Manning on the roster. I expect that depending how the draft falls this year will determine if Eli is extended. If no QB, then Eli signs an extension for next year.
You’re too fucking rational. You need a break from here
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Right or wrong, you can take your second paragraph and imply the inverse. DG is given free reign to craft the roster as he sees fit, but when it comes to decisions such as OBJ, you can be sure that he is getting approval from Mara/Tisch.
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Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Right or wrong, you can take your second paragraph and imply the inverse. DG is given free reign to craft the roster as he sees fit, but when it comes to decisions such as OBJ, you can be sure that he is getting approval from Mara/Tisch.
As DG should
But this front office isn’t that forward thinking I guess.
How much is too much? Right now, there is an estimated $90M under the cap for 2020.
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In comment 14335373 Mike from Ohio said:
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Who are overpaid and in some instances not. There was no viable replacement for OBJ but we could get rid of him. There is no viable replacement for Eli, so therefore we need to hold onto him.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
Right or wrong, you can take your second paragraph and imply the inverse. DG is given free reign to craft the roster as he sees fit, but when it comes to decisions such as OBJ, you can be sure that he is getting approval from Mara/Tisch.
As DG should
I 100% agree. Some will complain that there are "too many cooks in the kitchen", but seeking a consensus from ownership as it pertains to key decisions is good business.
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The ability to roll over that empty cap space will be huge for next year when we have a ton of money to spend.
But this front office isn’t that forward thinking I guess.
How much is too much? Right now, there is an estimated $90M under the cap for 2020.
$107 million is better than $90 million. You’d rather have less cap space for what reason?
In 2018 the Titans were able to spend $207 million against an $177 million cap. There’s a thread comparing us to the 2016 Browns, well in the 2018 off season they rolled over $60 million in cap. When trying to take full advantage of Barkley’s skills why wouldn’t you want as much cap space as possible?
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The ability to roll over that empty cap space will be huge for next year when we have a ton of money to spend.
But this front office isn’t that forward thinking I guess.
How much is too much? Right now, there is an estimated $90M under the cap for 2020.
And that 90M puts the Giants at just 8th overall in the league -- and every team with more money has a better roster than them.
When you are coming off back-to-back last places years and have a holes at every level of your roster -- there's no such as too much cap room.
The Giants barely have any good players -- it's loco -- but that money will be spent on getting more.
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Get him a RT and a decent WR and lets see what happens
Good.. hahahahaa a RT and a decent WR let’s see what happens? They just traded the best WR in the game and there were 11 offensive lines that ranked worse then the giants and two of them were playoff teams that won more then 10 games when is this washed up QB ever to blame?
This is typical of the dumbasserie that has become epidemic on this site lately...
Which 2 playoff teams had "worse OL's"...???
Look at DG's history. There is no evidence that he has shown a propensity to spend $100M in cap space in a given season. For every dollar "saved and carried over", is just another dollar in Mara/Tisch's Scrooge McDuck fantasy of swimming in gold.
There’s zero ways having $107 million vs $90 million isn’t an advantage.
Did anyone here think the Giants would just dump Eli even if we drafted someone with the #6 pick?
I personally don't.
Of the many that do, lots seem to simply ignore the fact that unused salary cap space carries forward from year to year.
"What else were we going to use it for this year?" is literally a nonsense justification.
Did anyone here think the Giants would just dump Eli even if we drafted someone with the #6 pick?
It's not a zero sum game -- the Giants can sign a different, cheaper quarterback to babysit.
Every other GM in the NFL knows the Giants are in the market for a quarterback at 6, if Manning is here or not.
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A viable alternative before they release him? I can only see them releasing him if they trade for Rosen.
Was there one before they traded Odell or Vernon?
Oh please! You’re comparing the importance of QB to other positional players?
Yeah that one was a head scratcher!
I'll never understand why people can't wrap their head around this.
If you want him gone, just admit it's because it's for the sake of him being gone. Don't disguise your pitchfork, point it.
There is not one sensible reason to dump Eli Manning for Ryan Fitzpatrick or anybody like him.
We'd have the QB/RB both on rookie deals and room to maneuver around them for about 4 years.
The only reason you'd keep Eli in 2019 is to try and win football games. This team isn't good enough to do that right now. We have way too many holes and still don't have enough picks/space to plug them all/fix them all.
It seems like a waste of a year to just "go for it" with Eli again.
We've been doing this over and over again. It isn't working.
In Carolina DG was known for his complete lack of sentimentality when it came to cutting ties with players. It seems clear to me that the decision to keep Eli is being dictated by Mara. I think the next football decision Mara is involved in that turns out well will be the first.
I agree with those that say it really doesn’t matter this year because they don’t need cap space and they are very clearly not trying to put a competitive product on the field. The bigger issue is that when they do acquire his heir apparent, it seems we will have to lose a year on his first contract while he learns from Eli. That will be a mistake.
I don't necessarily agree. I think it's as likely as not that they will throw Fromm immediately into the wolves.