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| Players most often come and go based on their production, or lack thereof. Odell Beckham Jr. has come and gone from the Giants and his departure has nothing to do with what he achieved or failed to accomplish on the field. The Giants cannot, and did not, look at all the catches and yards and touchdowns and jaw-dropping plays and convince themselves Beckham could have done more. Trading him to the Browns, a deal consummated late Tuesday and made official Wednesday afternoon, ultimately came down to two separate but connected issues: What they could get for Beckham compared with how much energy they had to expend to keep him around. There is an Odell-ness to Odell Beckham Jr. and, after five years, it eventually ran its course for the Giants. Some inside the building feel a sense of relief that the superstar receiver will no longer bring unwanted attention to a franchise that did not necessarily grow sick of him but grew increasingly exhausted trying to keep up with the issues and notoriety that clung to him the way the football stuck to his huge right hand. Beckham was a popular but often polarizing presence with a legion of fans in awe of his talent and at times frustrated with his antics. To the sick children he visited without fanfare and the youngsters sporting dyed blond hair he thrilled with autographs, selfies and dance moves, Odell was a comic book hero in a No. 13 jersey. To traditionalists preferring hand-the-ball-to-the-referee comportment, Beckham was a solo artist, gifted but self-absorbed. There are no fence-sitters with Beckham and his exit is a curse or a blessing, depending on your Odell-meter..... |
Yes. Great article.
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He used the media to build his brand. And the media used him for click-bait. They both got something out of it. Different sports era. Personally, I am sad to see him go, but it also feels like the circus has been removed (right or wrong).
He is a very talented WR, and very much a look at me diva. I understand the perspective of getting tired of his antics and thinking the negative outweighed the positive. What I dont get is the weird level of almost hatred for the guy by some fans.
My biggest problem with this trade and quite frankly the narrative of this article is simple. We knew all this last year. ODell hasn't suddenly morphed into a diva after getting paid. He's literally been the same guy since we drafted him.
Obviously I don't know what the offers were for Beckham (or if DG actually tried trading him) last year but this trade needed to happen last year.
It's nauseating listening to the Giants spin this as "part of the plan". No it wasn't. Quit bullshitting us.
That's it from me on the subject. I've been pissed off since the trade and my negativity isn't helping anything. I'll take a wait and see approach.
But real talk... My signed Beckham jersey that is framed in my man cave... It feels weird being on the wall now. Do you guys have old Giants jerseys displayed that left and played on other teams?
I didn't see that last year.
I think OBJ will still be great when healthy, but I don't think 2019 OBJ = 2015-16 OBJ, and with all the other negatives taken into consideration, I'm good with letting him go when there's still a market.
ASK YOURSELF THIS - If OBJ was not traded and repeated last season, prolonged injury, maybe lost a step, got more negative press with his mouth, if he indeed started complaining for another contract, maybe even sat out a couple of games over it...
What would his trade value be then? How many here would be bitching that Gettleman should have unloaded him a year or 2 earlier?
BS, that is only superficial. Whenever you think about whether a player joins a team or not only two things matter - money and a chance to win the Super Bowl. Players follow the money 1st and foremost.
In baseball(I guess Man U and Real Madrid in soccer would be similar), only the Yankees attract players because they are the Yankees and why is that? Because they are always going to be in the fray for the World Series. What teams in football attract players merely because of the team name? Maybe New England because they are an even bet to go to the Super Bowl. Name another team that players will take less to play for in Football.
So it all goes back to money. And if you don't have a job and Gettleman calls, you will go to earn a check.
But real talk... My signed Beckham jersey that is framed in my man cave... It feels weird being on the wall now. Do you guys have old Giants jerseys displayed that left and played on other teams?
Every time I bought a jersey it was the kiss of death to said player. I now only buy retired player's jerseys.
What would his trade value be then? How many here would be bitching that Gettleman should have unloaded him a year or 2 earlier?
This is the critical question. If we accept that the Giants are not real contenders in 2019 with Beckham or not, the only relevant question regarding what to do about him is "what is his value going to be next year?" The Giants are selling high here and, if they had kept him for another likely non-contending season, there is a substantially increased likelihood that they would have to sell low. Good franchises stay ahead of the curve. Better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late.
My gut feeling is that Peppers will turn out to be the young leader on the field on D that Barkley is on O. (And unlike OBJ, his trajectory is still on the rise.)
And if "team" is a priority DG should use one of his many picks to grab Dexter Lawrence, the epitome of a team leader at Clemson (and fans would fall in love with Dexter as they also will with Jabrill).
2. His attitude. We have to see what happened in Pittsburgh. While it might not have happened here, there is more than a slight possibility.
3. The return. If you think of Peppers as the equivalent of a mid first round pick, then we got 2 mid first rounders and a late 3rd.
4. The cap. We had to eat dead money this year, but we'll have that cap space next year.
TC's 'retirement' and subsequent interview with Philly which rushed the Giants to hire McAdoo before finishing interviews?
Eli's 'benching'?
Don't kid yourselves - the Giants just lost the best bit of air cover off the field. Now, you'll get to see this mess up close and personal without the distractions. And once Eli is gone, it's going to look really ugly with no one left to move attention away from the center.
My biggest problem with this trade and quite frankly the narrative of this article is simple. We knew all this last year. ODell hasn't suddenly morphed into a diva after getting paid. He's literally been the same guy since we drafted him.
Tim, I believe OBJ and Mara had a good sit-down prior to the Giants re-signing him. All was well. Then something(s) happened that got the staff very upset and they decided to dump the dumb bastid. There is only speculation as to what transpired.
Yesterday, it was posted that OBJ allegedly told Shurmur to F-off two times. If true, that's no good. Something broke the camel's back.
Odell's a diva. There's no disputing that. He's also one of the best players to put on a Giants uniform. There's no disputing that.
Great players are often difficult. That's something you need to deal with when you run a team. Obviously there's more stuff to deal with now because of social media and the 24/7 news cycle but that's the job.
A lot of people like to pine for the old days. The fact is, there's no way Bill Parcells would let someone like OBJ be traded. He would deal with him like he dealt with LT and any number of other players.
SB made OBJ expendable. If you were to assign someone a general, you would look for a SB, Brees or P. Manning, definitely not OBJ. Heck I'm a big Eli fan, but not him either.
TC's 'retirement' and subsequent interview with Philly which rushed the Giants to hire McAdoo before finishing interviews?
Eli's 'benching'?
Don't kid yourselves - the Giants just lost the best bit of air cover off the field. Now, you'll get to see this mess up close and personal without the distractions. And once Eli is gone, it's going to look really ugly with no one left to move attention away from the center.
What? look at BBI, even when the Giants were good there was drama. People love drama. Reporters create drama. You are creating drama right on your post.
Even successful teams have drama - Bell and Brown?
Odell's a diva. There's no disputing that. He's also one of the best players to put on a Giants uniform. There's no disputing that.
Great players are often difficult. That's something you need to deal with when you run a team. Obviously there's more stuff to deal with now because of social media and the 24/7 news cycle but that's the job.
A lot of people like to pine for the old days. The fact is, there's no way Bill Parcells would let someone like OBJ be traded. He would deal with him like he dealt with LT and any number of other players.
Thats my concern too Gary. At the end of the day this is a football team, not a boys choir.
We'll probably never know.
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If you can't manage your players you should find another job.
Odell's a diva. There's no disputing that. He's also one of the best players to put on a Giants uniform. There's no disputing that.
Great players are often difficult. That's something you need to deal with when you run a team. Obviously there's more stuff to deal with now because of social media and the 24/7 news cycle but that's the job.
A lot of people like to pine for the old days. The fact is, there's no way Bill Parcells would let someone like OBJ be traded. He would deal with him like he dealt with LT and any number of other players.
Thats my concern too Gary. At the end of the day this is a football team, not a boys choir.
IDK.....isn't there a clear distinction between Lawrence Taylor and OBJ the way they play into the team concept?
LT was never about himself...in terms of how he actually acted on the playing field. The guy was literally the first guy out there hugging offensive players when the made a big play.
OBJ just never struck me that way..........
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If you can't manage your players you should find another job.
Odell's a diva. There's no disputing that. He's also one of the best players to put on a Giants uniform. There's no disputing that.
Great players are often difficult. That's something you need to deal with when you run a team. Obviously there's more stuff to deal with now because of social media and the 24/7 news cycle but that's the job.
A lot of people like to pine for the old days. The fact is, there's no way Bill Parcells would let someone like OBJ be traded. He would deal with him like he dealt with LT and any number of other players.
Thats my concern too Gary. At the end of the day this is a football team, not a boys choir.
IDK.....isn't there a clear distinction between Lawrence Taylor and OBJ the way they play into the team concept?
LT was never about himself...in terms of how he actually acted on the playing field. The guy was literally the first guy out there hugging offensive players when the made a big play.
OBJ just never struck me that way..........
Also, how did Parcells handle TO....a VERY similar player to OBJ???
Gettlemen was brilliant with the trade. He "insisted" on getting a disappointing safety from Cleveland to partially fill the gaping hole he had created at the position. This melody is played against the counter melody "Is That All There Is"
The always generous owners and GM made Beckham the highest paid receiver in football because they felt he had earned the money for past favors. We'll ignore that off note of the GM saying "we didn't pay him to trade him"
The refrain of "those grapes were sour anyway" because the "top receivers don't make it to the Super Bowl" (the composer must not have noticed that the last few games have featured Julio Jones, Brandin Cooks (twice), Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffrey, DeMaryous Thomas, and the vastly underrated Julian Edelman and forgetting our own victories with Burreess, Nicks and Cruz) and they scored points (let's ignore the shutout in there) in meaningless December games without him.
And the audience gives a standing ovation.
His sideline acts, and away from the game stuff was distracting, to put it mildly, but it was his public statements that were starting to reflect a bad attitude, not just an outspoken player who didnt know when to shut up. His statements were deliberate and planned. It was only going to get worse.
Mara told him to tone it down and he didnt. Even if Mara-Tisch were trying to stay hands off, there is a time where each of us would say its my team and I will have the players on it who I like to have around - not the players who cause additional problems and are an embarrassment.
It's a different era. There's no telling what Parcells would have done if he had to deal with everything LT did being put on social media all the time. That situation would have gotten dicey quick.
Gettlemen was brilliant with the trade. He "insisted" on getting a disappointing safety from Cleveland to partially fill the gaping hole he had created at the position. This melody is played against the counter melody "Is That All There Is"
The always generous owners and GM made Beckham the highest paid receiver in football because they felt he had earned the money for past favors. We'll ignore that off note of the GM saying "we didn't pay him to trade him"
The refrain of "those grapes were sour anyway" because the "top receivers don't make it to the Super Bowl" (the composer must not have noticed that the last few games have featured Julio Jones, Brandin Cooks (twice), Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffrey, DeMaryous Thomas, and the vastly underrated Julian Edelman and forgetting our own victories with Burreess, Nicks and Cruz) and they scored points (let's ignore the shutout in there) in meaningless December games without him.
And the audience gives a standing ovation.
none of those WR aside from Julio Jones are even close to the caliber of WR Odell is/was.
The other thing you'll notice is that not one of those WR bring the same level of circus you see with Odell around.
Superstars are not easy to manage in any sport, especially in NY, but the Giants front office just seems unwilling to try.
As far as I can tell, his infractions consist of being an odd person, dancing in the end zone, and giving his unvarnished opinion in interviews.
But in exchange for these crimes the Giants were able to put on the field one the top receivers, perhaps all time, in a throwing league. All you Eli backers, where would Eli's QB rating be without Beckham taking 7 yard slants 50 yards?
And to top it all off, we traded him for a pick in the second half of round one, what may as well be a 4th round pick, and a punt returner who plays safety with one interception in two years.
Pathetic.
For those who are confused LT was the greatest player in NFL history. Beckham is a whiney little boy.
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If you can't manage your players you should find another job.
Odell's a diva. There's no disputing that. He's also one of the best players to put on a Giants uniform. There's no disputing that.
Great players are often difficult. That's something you need to deal with when you run a team. Obviously there's more stuff to deal with now because of social media and the 24/7 news cycle but that's the job.
A lot of people like to pine for the old days. The fact is, there's no way Bill Parcells would let someone like OBJ be traded. He would deal with him like he dealt with LT and any number of other players.
Thats my concern too Gary. At the end of the day this is a football team, not a boys choir.
IDK.....isn't there a clear distinction between Lawrence Taylor and OBJ the way they play into the team concept?
LT was never about himself...in terms of how he actually acted on the playing field. The guy was literally the first guy out there hugging offensive players when the made a big play.
OBJ just never struck me that way..........
LT never made me want to throw my remote at the screen, and he was all about winning, he was a holy saint on the football fielf.
It's a different era. There's no telling what Parcells would have done if he had to deal with everything LT did being put on social media all the time. That situation would have gotten dicey quick.
Parcells would never want OBJ, he wanted no part of Owens in Dallas. Parcells was known for Parcells guys, lumbering guys like Pepper Johnson and Curtis Martin who had all the intangibles.
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on any franchise, but to me, as an avid fan, Ive been increasingly concerned about his rather inability to stay on the field. That usually worsens with age. We shall see of course
The problem for OBJ is how integral his almost supernatural quickness is to his game. At his best, he was devastating in the open field, change of direction as quick as I've ever seen from any player.
I didn't see that last year.
I think OBJ will still be great when healthy, but I don't think 2019 OBJ = 2015-16 OBJ, and with all the other negatives taken into consideration, I'm good with letting him go when there's still a market.
ASK YOURSELF THIS - If OBJ was not traded and repeated last season, prolonged injury, maybe lost a step, got more negative press with his mouth, if he indeed started complaining for another contract, maybe even sat out a couple of games over it...
What would his trade value be then? How many here would be bitching that Gettleman should have unloaded him a year or 2 earlier?
Good point about his quickness, we did not see him taking the 10 yard slant to the house last year, his long rec for the year was 51 yards. Has he lost a step or was that coming off of the injury, time will tell.
Just when I think Gettleman is too old school he enlightens us with these innovative analytic approaches.
What a hire...
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I hope ppl dont think Odell is an actual distraction in the locker room because he proposed to a kicking net once. Hes loved in the locker room. Works his ass off. Keeps it loose in the locker room. Clearly an excellent playmaker. If he was traded for being a distraction. Yikes
Somebody (maybe Ranaan?) responded that he was a distraction to management. Which to me is scary. There's going to be some off the field stuff for these guys to deal with. It's part of the job. OBJ wasn't doing Ray Rice, Josh Brown type stuff off the field nor was he a locker-room cancer type like TO. It was TV interviews and instagram posts. FO should be able to handle that.
The highlights will only be for about 8-10 weeks. After that, he'll be on I.R. Suck it up, buttercup.
I wish Odell nothing but success in Cleveland. It does feel like the Giants let out a collective sigh of relief after the trade. There was likely a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. The incident with Odells father making fun of John Mara was a glimpse behind the curtain.