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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 3/14/2019 9:58 am
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So many mixed emotions and feelings. This is all, a lot to process but it is reality. I don’t kno exactly what to say so just gotta keep it real and short. I want to thank the NY giants organization for giving me an opportunity to do what God put me on this earth to do , I want to thank the organization and the owners for everything and especially giving me my first chance to be a part of the NFL. I want thank everyone in that building from the kitchen staff to my main man Jo& #347;e! I loved you guys dearly and always will. I gave u my all every Sunday. To the fans, some happy , some not, I just wanna thank u guys for making my experience in NY SOMETHIN ILL NEVER FORGET! To the New Yorkers and REAL NYG fans... you guys will always have a place in my heart, a beautiful city .. a beautiful place Thank You for every last moment and experience. Without them, I wouldn’t be exactly who I am today ! LUV & #10084;& #65039; & #9994;& #127998;

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shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14336928 Thegratefulhead said:
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Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.

Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.

Truth. He didn't show up at all in the only big game he played.


Did Eli show up in his first playoff game? Perhaps it's just dumb to base one's opinion of a player on one game.
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Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:02 pm : link
By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
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Giantology : 3/14/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.


You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.
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Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14337005 Giantology said:
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In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:


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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.



You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.


Eli and LT were not the sole reason for SB victories, but they were a damn big reason.

Beckham was on one team that had a chance to do something, and he had a huge hand on the field and off it in fucking that game up.

If your case for a player's excellence is based on a rationalization, it isn't a great case. The guy had three great statistical seasons as a Giant, two of which were terrible team seasons...and we're going to compare him to Eli and LT? Get the fuck out of here.
Honest question  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:12 pm : link
do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?
aaaaand  
Jeff : 3/14/2019 3:13 pm : link
then he says this


I’m not a Cancer....... I’m a Scorpio 😭😭🤪 sorry for the confusion
RE: Honest question  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14337041 Kyle in NY said:
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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?


It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.
Terps  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:19 pm : link
obviously personal with you. pretty pathetic that it means that much to you.

re: Packer game - Eli had it right, young player got psyched out by a game "made it bigger than it was" - shit like that happens.

great player, generational talent. one of best talents to ever play for Giants. If the issues with him and coaching staff compelled them to trade him, I'm okay with it but I'm not delusional or dishosent about how good a player he was.

adn se link re: one aspect of his off the field stuff that never gets talked about
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bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:20 pm : link
this stuff
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bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:21 pm : link
this
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bc  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
You track his off field stuff that closely, but it's personal for me?

When he sat out the last four games last season was that to go do charity work?

Oh, and there are better players in his generation. He isn't generational. That word has become an IQ test.
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bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
this
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terps  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:26 pm : link
I looked this stuff up because I just get sick of guys like you and all their fucking whining and cryassing.

RE: my IQ - I understand the what it means . clearly you are the generational whiney cunt on BBI
Francesa's opening was a thing of beauty again today...  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 3:27 pm : link
"The Odell Beckham years here were offensive"

-Pointed out how last year he went on his "good behavior deal" got his contract and then rubbed their noses in it.

-The trade of Beckham two days ago is the first "Giant-like" thing they've done in 5 years.

-People quick to put the Browns in the SB with a first year HC, second year QB and the possibility of chaos in the locker room.

Spot on.
RE: RE: Honest question  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14337062 Go Terps said:
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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?



It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.


That's a wild take man. We drafted an all-pro receiver who we then exchanged for some potentially useful assets. Unfortunately he showed up as the team was going in the tank. His demeanor didn't always make the situation better and in the end we traded him a year too late. His production on the field really can't be argued. If anything it's just shown that great WR does not equal great offense/team. All of these things can be true.

I respect your knowledge but cannot get over this "losing player" stuff you keep saying, as if one player besides maybe a QB can single handedly change a football team's fortunes. If the Browns win the division and maybe a playoff game or two, is he no longer a losing player? Or is he the same guy with better players around him? We could have taken Aaron Donald, but I'm pretty sure our record wouldn't be much different. So would he be considered a losing player?

In the end, you were right about how this would play out. I'm just not sure why your victory lap has to include such off the wall statements. Just take the win and move on
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ron mexico : 3/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14337062 Go Terps said:
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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?



It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.


Over the next few years we will get to see how true that is. We will see if he can lift the Brown out of perpetual mediocre at best status.


2013 was literally the worst season of Eli's career.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:32 pm : link
It was also the nadir of 4 straight seasons of dipping TDs and completion percentage. It's safe to say if he had continued along that path, he wouldn't still be the QB for the NY Giants right now even with his great career.

His numbers in his first 2 seasons with Odell (2014-2015) are better than anyone not named Brady or Aaron Rodgers. (They're pretty much equal with Drew Brees.)

If anyone is too hardheaded to admit that Odell extended Eli's career, that's on them. It's neither one of their faults that the team lost so much the past 5 years. They didn't draft Ereck Flowers or Eli Apple. They also didn't put out a terrible defense for 80% of the time period. They were both wasted.
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Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14337084 bc4life said:
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I looked this stuff up because I just get sick of guys like you and all their fucking whining and cryassing.

RE: my IQ - I understand the what it means . clearly you are the generational whiney cunt on BBI


I think you and your like are the ones doing the whining, since it's been proven that there was so much bullshit from this guy that the Giants saw fit to trade him.
RE: Francesa's opening was a thing of beauty again today...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14337086 Chris684 said:
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"The Odell Beckham years here were offensive"

-Pointed out how last year he went on his "good behavior deal" got his contract and then rubbed their noses in it.

-The trade of Beckham two days ago is the first "Giant-like" thing they've done in 5 years.

-People quick to put the Browns in the SB with a first year HC, second year QB and the possibility of chaos in the locker room.

Spot on.


Francesa is a fool. All of this because a guy danced in the end zone.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14337077 Go Terps said:
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You track his off field stuff that closely, but it's personal for me?

When he sat out the last four games last season was that to go do charity work?

Oh, and there are better players in his generation. He isn't generational. That word has become an IQ test.


Do those last 4 games even matter?

Most of us wanted to continue to tank for a better draft pick at that point.

This board also wanted him to not risk getting injured any further as well because it would be dumb to have him even more injured and not be able to start this upcoming season.

The revisionist history is quite pathetic around here to rationalize why he was traded.

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Giantology : 3/14/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14337025 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:


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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.



You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.



Eli and LT were not the sole reason for SB victories, but they were a damn big reason.

Beckham was on one team that had a chance to do something, and he had a huge hand on the field and off it in fucking that game up.

If your case for a player's excellence is based on a rationalization, it isn't a great case. The guy had three great statistical seasons as a Giant, two of which were terrible team seasons...and we're going to compare him to Eli and LT? Get the fuck out of here.


You're being disingenuous if you can't acknowledge the fact that Odell has never once had a roster or even coaching around him anywhere near the 2007 or 80s teams. The closest would be 2016, in which the offense was so fucking broken that he was literally the only working part (and yet was still double teamed constantly).
RE: RE: terps  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14337108 Go Terps said:
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I think you and your like are the ones doing the whining, since it's been proven that there was so much bullshit from this guy that the Giants saw fit to trade him.


Those same people kept Josh Brown around until the media exposed that he was a wife beater... information they were already privy to. The Giants kept Eli Manning around because idiot fans complained. Let's not pretend the Giants' decision-making is anything to laud.
no revisionist history  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
Of course the 4 games matter, but unless you are OBJ - you don't know if he was able to play or not. Team "reportedly" thought he could - if he could and didn't that speaks for itself. You don't play when you can - inexcusable. I don't know that he did that. I don't know that he didn't do that.

I said in a previous thread, if I was a coach and he cursed me on the sidelines - at halftime - he wouldn't play a down in the second half.
I'm glad OBJ is out...  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.

He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.

Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.

If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...
The way some fans talk about Beckham off the field,  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
you would think he was the Giants' player who had the FBI visiting the Giants facility last offseason..

Funny how that works.
Those four games matter  
JonC : 3/14/2019 3:43 pm : link
because he's being paid to play and all his teammates and coaches are out there busting their arses. It's optics, but vital internal optics.
bw in dc  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:46 pm : link
I said in another thread, maybe the best landing spot for him was New England.

BB would have stifled that shit - with the quickness
The Giants have enormous blame  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:47 pm : link
Beckham should have been checked very early on. Mara, Tisch, Reese, Coughlin, Eli...they all failed miserably in this respect.
Dave  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:48 pm : link
yeah. Most of his off the field stuff ws just stupidity adn immature.

dogging games, cursing out coaches - that's the type stuff that will get your bags packed for you.

Regardless of whether someone liked the trade or not - just form an opinion based on the most accuarte facts available.
RE: no revisionist history  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14337141 bc4life said:
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Of course the 4 games matter, but unless you are OBJ - you don't know if he was able to play or not. Team "reportedly" thought he could - if he could and didn't that speaks for itself. You don't play when you can - inexcusable. I don't know that he did that. I don't know that he didn't do that.

I said in a previous thread, if I was a coach and he cursed me on the sidelines - at halftime - he wouldn't play a down in the second half.


Please find a source that states that he could have played? Just one that's all I ask.
Terps  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:51 pm : link
We agree on that. Most frustrating thing is that, of those names you threw out, the one with earliest opportunity to do that and with a reputation for reigning in problem children was Coughlin. And he apparently let it fester

I was shocked that TC didn't check him during the Panthers game.
good post bw  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
I came across this quote in Albert Breer's piece on the trade

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AFC College Scouting Director, October 2017: “He wasn’t like this [at LSU]. He was a typical receiver—he liked attention and he wanted the ball. He dressed flashy, liked to be at the club, liked having people around him. But when it came to football, he wasn’t like this. This has developed. It’s interesting, he had Jarvis Landry with him and Jarvis was the ultimate Alpha dog.


Not sure where it flipped for him (maybe the attention from the one handed catch?) But I don't think it's unreasonable to say the Giants let him down. The infrastructure was not in place to manage this player off the field with a strong leader at HC, or on the field with proper talent around him. It is unfortunate. I'm genuinely curious to see how this goes in Cleveland. Maybe I've just had him pegged wrong the entire time and it falls apart there as well.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14337165 bc4life said:
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yeah. Most of his off the field stuff ws just stupidity adn immature.

dogging games, cursing out coaches - that's the type stuff that will get your bags packed for you.

Regardless of whether someone liked the trade or not - just form an opinion based on the most accuarte facts available.


The cursing out coaches is another thing that I have no sources on either. The only people saying it are on here. BBI isn't a valid source.
RE: I'm glad OBJ is out...  
Jeff : 3/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14337143 bw in dc said:
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But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.

He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.

Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.

If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...


I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
RE: Those four games matter  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14337149 JonC said:
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because he's being paid to play and all his teammates and coaches are out there busting their arses. It's optics, but vital internal optics.


On the other hand, with four meaningless games left, did we really need one of the most important assets out on the field playing?
The roster was so bad  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:54 pm : link
in Coughlin's last three years, desperate to win, I think he knew he just had to put up with it because it was his best shot. But he shares the blame.
RE: The roster was so bad  
Jeff : 3/14/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14337186 Kyle in NY said:
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in Coughlin's last three years, desperate to win, I think he knew he just had to put up with it because it was his best shot. But he shares the blame.


Yeah you are probably right...
bw  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:57 pm : link
RE: Kitchens - he had a pretty good mentor in Ariens.

Problem children like OBJ, generally decent guys who let their emotions get the best of them , doing crazy impulsive shit, don't know when to shut fuck up, hotheads, etc. The right people and circumstances can modify that behavior. Trust me - I know.
bigbluedownbytheshore  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:59 pm : link
those are rumors - which I clearly said - I don't know whether or not were accurate.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14337178 Jeff said:
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.


The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?

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bw in dc : 3/14/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14337178 Jeff said:
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But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.

He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.

Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.

If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...



I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.


That was doomed not to work. The gap between age and lifestyles was just too wide. OBJ is AAU basketball. Probably been catered to his entire life playing sports. Coughlin, by contrast, wanted humble, discipline, and team commitment.
RE: LT was a selfish player. Did what he wanted on the field.  
Red Right Hand : 3/14/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14336291 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Did drugs, retired so he could do coke more often. Terrible father, arrested for banging underage hookers.

We figured out a way to keep him on the team and some of the terrible shit he did was released to the public at the time.

OBJ has never done anything remotely close to that crap, and he's vilified.
Difference is LT was a dog that bit any and all passerby, but never the hand that fed him. OBJ was a dog that snapped at his owner anytime you tried to pet him, when he wasn't busy peeing on the carpet.

One kept the home safe, the other turned into an unpleasant shithole.
That was nicely written  
montanagiant : 3/14/2019 11:18 pm : link
By his Agent
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BlueLou'sBack : 3/14/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14336932 Kyle in NY said:
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Terps is on a remarkable heat check right now and I kinda love it.


A heat check?


Is that Slovenian for Hot chick?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/15/2019 7:38 am : link
In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.


Get this revisionist nonsense the fuck out of here.

There were serious fucking questions about the viability of Eli Manning as a starting quarterback late in the 2007 season before they got hot as a team lead by their defense and run game, and this kind of bootlicking propaganda will get you likes by the fellow knuckledraggers and 30-50 year olds that lose there fucking minds trying to run down a 26 year old.
Red Right Hand  
bc4life : 3/15/2019 7:49 am : link
Don't have to exaggerate OBJ's negatives. Obviously there were problems. Turning "house into shithole" is inconsistent with being considered a great teammate by most players, very generous, etc.

But I think you were spot on re: biting the hand that fed him, - think he respected the coaching staff. Never recall any stories of him having antagonistic relationship whith BB or Parcells. He was a pain in the ass for them I'm sure. But there appeared to have been mutual respect.
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Go Terps : 3/15/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14338935 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.



Get this revisionist nonsense the fuck out of here.

There were serious fucking questions about the viability of Eli Manning as a starting quarterback late in the 2007 season before they got hot as a team lead by their defense and run game, and this kind of bootlicking propaganda will get you likes by the fellow knuckledraggers and 30-50 year olds that lose there fucking minds trying to run down a 26 year old.


Go read what jtgiants is saying about Beckham on his thread. Beckham was a cancer and part of the reason the locker room was garbage.

Sorry, but I nailed this guy for what he is years ago. The Giants will be a better football team because Beckham is gone. The guy is a loser and a cancer.
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jestersdead : 3/15/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14337199 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.



The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?


Do you think that clip is anywhere on the same lines as the Beckham/Norman clip?
RE: bw  
Watson : 3/15/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14337189 bc4life said:
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RE: Kitchens - he had a pretty good mentor in Ariens.

Problem children like OBJ, generally decent guys who let their emotions get the best of them , doing crazy impulsive shit, don't know when to shut fuck up, hotheads, etc. The right people and circumstances can modify that behavior. Trust me - I know.


Agree. Adam Henry should also be helpful. But IMO the situation will be the biggest factor. The Browns are an ascending young team. Winning will go along way in helping Beckham keep his emotions in check.
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OBJ_AllDay : 3/16/2019 12:32 am : link
In comment 14339377 jestersdead said:
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In comment 14337178 Jeff said:


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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.



The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?

How wasn’t it? What about Andre Johnson or the countless players that have gotten physical with refs or thrown flags called on them into the crowd? Or break their kids bones? Let’s all keep treating Beckham like the serial killer he is!!! Pitchforks!!




Do you think that clip is anywhere on the same lines as the Beckham/Norman clip?
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