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So many mixed emotions and feelings. This is all, a lot to process but it is reality. I don’t kno exactly what to say so just gotta keep it real and short. I want to thank the NY giants organization for giving me an opportunity to do what God put me on this earth to do , I want to thank the organization and the owners for everything and especially giving me my first chance to be a part of the NFL. I want thank everyone in that building from the kitchen staff to my main man Jo& #347;e! I loved you guys dearly and always will. I gave u my all every Sunday. To the fans, some happy , some not, I just wanna thank u guys for making my experience in NY SOMETHIN ILL NEVER FORGET! To the New Yorkers and REAL NYG fans... you guys will always have a place in my heart, a beautiful city .. a beautiful place Thank You for every last moment and experience. Without them, I wouldn’t be exactly who I am today ! LUV & #10084;& #65039; & #9994;& #127998; |
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Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.
Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.
Truth. He didn't show up at all in the only big game he played.
Did Eli show up in his first playoff game? Perhaps it's just dumb to base one's opinion of a player on one game.
After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.
Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.
Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.
After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.
Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.
Eli and LT were not the sole reason for SB victories, but they were a damn big reason.
Beckham was on one team that had a chance to do something, and he had a huge hand on the field and off it in fucking that game up.
If your case for a player's excellence is based on a rationalization, it isn't a great case. The guy had three great statistical seasons as a Giant, two of which were terrible team seasons...and we're going to compare him to Eli and LT? Get the fuck out of here.
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It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.
re: Packer game - Eli had it right, young player got psyched out by a game "made it bigger than it was" - shit like that happens.
great player, generational talent. one of best talents to ever play for Giants. If the issues with him and coaching staff compelled them to trade him, I'm okay with it but I'm not delusional or dishosent about how good a player he was.
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When he sat out the last four games last season was that to go do charity work?
Oh, and there are better players in his generation. He isn't generational. That word has become an IQ test.
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RE: my IQ - I understand the what it means . clearly you are the generational whiney cunt on BBI
-Pointed out how last year he went on his "good behavior deal" got his contract and then rubbed their noses in it.
-The trade of Beckham two days ago is the first "Giant-like" thing they've done in 5 years.
-People quick to put the Browns in the SB with a first year HC, second year QB and the possibility of chaos in the locker room.
Spot on.
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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?
It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.
That's a wild take man. We drafted an all-pro receiver who we then exchanged for some potentially useful assets. Unfortunately he showed up as the team was going in the tank. His demeanor didn't always make the situation better and in the end we traded him a year too late. His production on the field really can't be argued. If anything it's just shown that great WR does not equal great offense/team. All of these things can be true.
I respect your knowledge but cannot get over this "losing player" stuff you keep saying, as if one player besides maybe a QB can single handedly change a football team's fortunes. If the Browns win the division and maybe a playoff game or two, is he no longer a losing player? Or is he the same guy with better players around him? We could have taken Aaron Donald, but I'm pretty sure our record wouldn't be much different. So would he be considered a losing player?
In the end, you were right about how this would play out. I'm just not sure why your victory lap has to include such off the wall statements. Just take the win and move on
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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?
It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.
Over the next few years we will get to see how true that is. We will see if he can lift the Brown out of perpetual mediocre at best status.
His numbers in his first 2 seasons with Odell (2014-2015) are better than anyone not named Brady or Aaron Rodgers. (They're pretty much equal with Drew Brees.)
If anyone is too hardheaded to admit that Odell extended Eli's career, that's on them. It's neither one of their faults that the team lost so much the past 5 years. They didn't draft Ereck Flowers or Eli Apple. They also didn't put out a terrible defense for 80% of the time period. They were both wasted.
RE: my IQ - I understand the what it means . clearly you are the generational whiney cunt on BBI
I think you and your like are the ones doing the whining, since it's been proven that there was so much bullshit from this guy that the Giants saw fit to trade him.
-Pointed out how last year he went on his "good behavior deal" got his contract and then rubbed their noses in it.
-The trade of Beckham two days ago is the first "Giant-like" thing they've done in 5 years.
-People quick to put the Browns in the SB with a first year HC, second year QB and the possibility of chaos in the locker room.
Spot on.
Francesa is a fool. All of this because a guy danced in the end zone.
When he sat out the last four games last season was that to go do charity work?
Oh, and there are better players in his generation. He isn't generational. That word has become an IQ test.
Do those last 4 games even matter?
Most of us wanted to continue to tank for a better draft pick at that point.
This board also wanted him to not risk getting injured any further as well because it would be dumb to have him even more injured and not be able to start this upcoming season.
The revisionist history is quite pathetic around here to rationalize why he was traded.
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.
After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.
Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.
Eli and LT were not the sole reason for SB victories, but they were a damn big reason.
Beckham was on one team that had a chance to do something, and he had a huge hand on the field and off it in fucking that game up.
If your case for a player's excellence is based on a rationalization, it isn't a great case. The guy had three great statistical seasons as a Giant, two of which were terrible team seasons...and we're going to compare him to Eli and LT? Get the fuck out of here.
You're being disingenuous if you can't acknowledge the fact that Odell has never once had a roster or even coaching around him anywhere near the 2007 or 80s teams. The closest would be 2016, in which the offense was so fucking broken that he was literally the only working part (and yet was still double teamed constantly).
I think you and your like are the ones doing the whining, since it's been proven that there was so much bullshit from this guy that the Giants saw fit to trade him.
Those same people kept Josh Brown around until the media exposed that he was a wife beater... information they were already privy to. The Giants kept Eli Manning around because idiot fans complained. Let's not pretend the Giants' decision-making is anything to laud.
I said in a previous thread, if I was a coach and he cursed me on the sidelines - at halftime - he wouldn't play a down in the second half.
He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.
Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.
If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...
Funny how that works.
BB would have stifled that shit - with the quickness
dogging games, cursing out coaches - that's the type stuff that will get your bags packed for you.
Regardless of whether someone liked the trade or not - just form an opinion based on the most accuarte facts available.
I said in a previous thread, if I was a coach and he cursed me on the sidelines - at halftime - he wouldn't play a down in the second half.
Please find a source that states that he could have played? Just one that's all I ask.
I was shocked that TC didn't check him during the Panthers game.
Not sure where it flipped for him (maybe the attention from the one handed catch?) But I don't think it's unreasonable to say the Giants let him down. The infrastructure was not in place to manage this player off the field with a strong leader at HC, or on the field with proper talent around him. It is unfortunate. I'm genuinely curious to see how this goes in Cleveland. Maybe I've just had him pegged wrong the entire time and it falls apart there as well.
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dogging games, cursing out coaches - that's the type stuff that will get your bags packed for you.
Regardless of whether someone liked the trade or not - just form an opinion based on the most accuarte facts available.
The cursing out coaches is another thing that I have no sources on either. The only people saying it are on here. BBI isn't a valid source.
He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.
Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.
If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...
I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
On the other hand, with four meaningless games left, did we really need one of the most important assets out on the field playing?
Yeah you are probably right...
Problem children like OBJ, generally decent guys who let their emotions get the best of them , doing crazy impulsive shit, don't know when to shut fuck up, hotheads, etc. The right people and circumstances can modify that behavior. Trust me - I know.
I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?
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But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.
He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.
Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.
If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...
I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
That was doomed not to work. The gap between age and lifestyles was just too wide. OBJ is AAU basketball. Probably been catered to his entire life playing sports. Coughlin, by contrast, wanted humble, discipline, and team commitment.
We figured out a way to keep him on the team and some of the terrible shit he did was released to the public at the time.
OBJ has never done anything remotely close to that crap, and he's vilified.
One kept the home safe, the other turned into an unpleasant shithole.
A heat check?
Is that Slovenian for Hot chick?
After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.
Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
Get this revisionist nonsense the fuck out of here.
There were serious fucking questions about the viability of Eli Manning as a starting quarterback late in the 2007 season before they got hot as a team lead by their defense and run game, and this kind of bootlicking propaganda will get you likes by the fellow knuckledraggers and 30-50 year olds that lose there fucking minds trying to run down a 26 year old.
But I think you were spot on re: biting the hand that fed him, - think he respected the coaching staff. Never recall any stories of him having antagonistic relationship whith BB or Parcells. He was a pain in the ass for them I'm sure. But there appeared to have been mutual respect.
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.
After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.
Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
Get this revisionist nonsense the fuck out of here.
There were serious fucking questions about the viability of Eli Manning as a starting quarterback late in the 2007 season before they got hot as a team lead by their defense and run game, and this kind of bootlicking propaganda will get you likes by the fellow knuckledraggers and 30-50 year olds that lose there fucking minds trying to run down a 26 year old.
Go read what jtgiants is saying about Beckham on his thread. Beckham was a cancer and part of the reason the locker room was garbage.
Sorry, but I nailed this guy for what he is years ago. The Giants will be a better football team because Beckham is gone. The guy is a loser and a cancer.
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?
Do you think that clip is anywhere on the same lines as the Beckham/Norman clip?
Problem children like OBJ, generally decent guys who let their emotions get the best of them , doing crazy impulsive shit, don't know when to shut fuck up, hotheads, etc. The right people and circumstances can modify that behavior. Trust me - I know.
Agree. Adam Henry should also be helpful. But IMO the situation will be the biggest factor. The Browns are an ascending young team. Winning will go along way in helping Beckham keep his emotions in check.
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?
How wasn’t it? What about Andre Johnson or the countless players that have gotten physical with refs or thrown flags called on them into the crowd? Or break their kids bones? Let’s all keep treating Beckham like the serial killer he is!!! Pitchforks!!
Do you think that clip is anywhere on the same lines as the Beckham/Norman clip?