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ManningLobsItBurressAlone : 3/14/2019 9:58 am
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So many mixed emotions and feelings. This is all, a lot to process but it is reality. I don’t kno exactly what to say so just gotta keep it real and short. I want to thank the NY giants organization for giving me an opportunity to do what God put me on this earth to do , I want to thank the organization and the owners for everything and especially giving me my first chance to be a part of the NFL. I want thank everyone in that building from the kitchen staff to my main man Jo& #347;e! I loved you guys dearly and always will. I gave u my all every Sunday. To the fans, some happy , some not, I just wanna thank u guys for making my experience in NY SOMETHIN ILL NEVER FORGET! To the New Yorkers and REAL NYG fans... you guys will always have a place in my heart, a beautiful city .. a beautiful place Thank You for every last moment and experience. Without them, I wouldn’t be exactly who I am today ! LUV & #10084;& #65039; & #9994;& #127998;

OBJ - ( New Window )
no mention of  
elisha2014 : 3/14/2019 10:01 am : link
TEAMMATES.
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rnargi : 3/14/2019 10:05 am : link
In comment 14335828 elisha2014 said:
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TEAMMATES.


Glaringly...
It's a nice gesture  
DavidinBMNY : 3/14/2019 10:06 am : link
Let's move on. He's gone.
Pretty sure his teammates are..  
moze1021 : 3/14/2019 10:09 am : link
part of the group that's "in the building"... and he's also probably talking to them directly, whereas the rest of those pointed out he will not..

But let's not nitpick a nice farewell message.

I'll miss Odell... he knows some fans will, some fans wont. We all know that.

What all Giants fans should be able to agree on is that we have to move on now and see where things go from here.
RE: no mention of  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14335828 elisha2014 said:
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TEAMMATES.


No, but he mentions everyone in the building from the Kitchen Staff to Jose.
Glad we kept Jose  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2019 10:13 am : link
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RE: Pretty sure his teammates are..  
mrvax : 3/14/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14335884 moze1021 said:
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But let's not nitpick a nice farewell message.


I wanna nitpick!
A  
AcidTest : 3/14/2019 10:18 am : link
very nice and heartfelt message.
Still bummed about  
GMEN46 : 3/14/2019 10:18 am : link
This. It really sucks to be a giants fan right now. Hiring 90 year old GM who cannot adjust to the personalities of today’s generation is a big mistake by Mara. Corporate America spends tons of time training for the personality of millennials because they are just different. Whether you think it’s right or wrong the social media environment today has changed the whole perspective on today’s athletes. In my view OBJ was just a 25 year old being a 25 year old, but everything he does Is scrutinized because of media coverage and social media. I think we can all agree that players from 30 years ago were doing the same stuff and probably worse because they would never get caught. Gettleman cannot relate with the younger generation of today and it costs us arguably the second most talented player to ever wear a giants uniform. Shame on john Mara and Gettleman. Both should be immediately relieved form their current roles. Their in adequate at their jobs, Mara for not being a younger mind and Gettleman for being an old man with no insight to tosay’s Generation of players.
Well  
JonC : 3/14/2019 10:19 am : link
bye couldn't be more appropriate ... he got what he wanted.
MEant to say  
GMEN46 : 3/14/2019 10:20 am : link
Mara for not HIRING a younger mind
RE: Glad we kept Jose  
Mad Mike : 3/14/2019 10:24 am : link
In comment 14335915 Britt in VA said:
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Well played.
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hitdog42 : 3/14/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14335828 elisha2014 said:
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TEAMMATES.


EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING

nice try though
RE: Well  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14335959 JonC said:
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bye couldn't be more appropriate ... he got what he wanted.


What exactly did he want?
To be traded  
JonC : 3/14/2019 10:28 am : link
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All I have to say is...  
CalZone : 3/14/2019 10:30 am : link
Yesterday I woke up relaxed with a feeling of having a breath of fresh air knowing that he's not on this team anymore.
This is just me, but I feel good about this team now that he's not here.
Like, I'm excited to watch them next year now.
No distractions, no incessant questions. Can fly under the radar. It will be so good for this team. Watch.
RE: To be traded  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14336006 JonC said:
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Please provide some sources. Over analyzing tweets don’t count.
BBDS  
JonC : 3/14/2019 10:32 am : link
I don't read tweets, bub. OB wanted out of here, believe it or don't, I don't care.
a bit longer and we could have  
mdc1 : 3/14/2019 10:34 am : link
counted the me and my's in the farewell.
That was nice  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
You are making shit up if you think otherwise.
RE: BBDS  
M.S. : 3/14/2019 10:46 am : link
In comment 14336037 JonC said:
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I don't read tweets, bub. OB wanted out of here, believe it or don't, I don't care.

Did he REALLY want out of here? Or, was he immature and said things that he felt but were better left unsaid? And just because he voiced his thoughts, was it really his intent, wish, desire to leave the Giants??? Was his missing games at the end of the last season really all about telling the team to F-off and to ensure they would trade him?

I don't know... that's why I'm asking!
He wanted out  
JonC : 3/14/2019 10:49 am : link
and then he wanted his deal adjusted. Stop thinking with your hearts.
Most glaring...  
BamaBlue : 3/14/2019 10:52 am : link
No mention of his first love...

How could I not think he wanted out of here?  
dep026 : 3/14/2019 10:53 am : link
Its not saying he didnt love playing the game or that he didnt try hard.

But for christ sakes this was as obvious as... well maybe not to some.
Good luck OBJ  
TMS : 3/14/2019 10:54 am : link
Thanks for all the great memories and excitement you created these past years. Take care.
He clearly did not want to be here  
cjac : 3/14/2019 10:59 am : link
Let look at the timeline

Broke his leg

came back and was a model citizen, didnt hold out, worked hard, kept his mouth shut

Go PIZZZAID 91 million dollars

Went on ESPN with LiL Wayne and said he didnt want to be in NYC and subtly trashed Eli

Faked an injury for the last 4 games and basically disappeared, wasnt on the sidelines, nothing.

Giants had to trade him... No choice
ummm...  
Rocky369 : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
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I gave u my all every Sunday
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cjac : 3/14/2019 11:10 am : link
In comment 14336230 Rocky369 said:
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I gave u my all every Sunday



except the last 4 last year
RE: He wanted out  
Tesla : 3/14/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14336150 JonC said:
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and then he wanted his deal adjusted. Stop thinking with your hearts.


Thanks Jon. Any info. on whether on not he sat himself out the last 4 games as a way of stirring the pot a bit?
No info on that part  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:19 am : link
The team feels he did, and that's a serious charge for a football player, doubt they open the can of worms without evidence.
LT was a selfish player. Did what he wanted on the field.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 11:25 am : link
Did drugs, retired so he could do coke more often. Terrible father, arrested for banging underage hookers.

We figured out a way to keep him on the team and some of the terrible shit he did was released to the public at the time.

OBJ has never done anything remotely close to that crap, and he's vilified.
makes me sick to my stomach  
Sonic Youth : 3/14/2019 11:26 am : link
the giants will rue the day they made this dogshit trade. Fuck you gettleman
listen, the Giants right now pretty much  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/14/2019 11:27 am : link
suck... the reason for tuning in was to watch OBJ and Barkley. It sure wasnt to see Eli and awful Defense every Sunday.

Hopefully Engram can take over or the Barkley show will be nothing but 2yds a carry with 9 man fronts.
Different time, different world we live in  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:29 am : link
Doesn't excuse how LT was often let off the hook, but he had Parcells and others to help manage things.

And, LT never sat out a football game to try and make a selfish point.
Bottom line  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
There's no excuses for LT or OB, it's a strawman argument.
It's kinda hilarious....  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2019 11:33 am : link
you guy's eat up JonC's info when it's something you want to hear...

But when it's something you don't like it's BS. Too funny.
RE: Different time, different world we live in  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14336308 JonC said:
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Doesn't excuse how LT was often let off the hook, but he had Parcells and others to help manage things.

And, LT never sat out a football game to try and make a selfish point.


LT failed drug tests in 1987. He still played for the Giants for many years after that.

What exactly has OBJ done that is remotely close to that?
I think he definitely wanted this, and good for him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 11:36 am : link
Why would any great player want to waste away their prime with an over the hill QB who no longer has it? Fuck that.
And of course  
RinR : 3/14/2019 11:42 am : link
Eli is brought into this discussion. Unf---gbelievable.
BBTDS  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:43 am : link
My perspective is he sat out four games, on top of the idiot racket.

The bar is too high for you? That's on you.

There's no debate here. You're emotional.
I thought that Beckham handled it very well. He's so hard to predict.  
Ira : 3/14/2019 11:43 am : link
Sometimes he acts immature - other times he says and does the right things. I guess he's just growing up.
I never have or will  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:44 am : link
excuse LT's behavior.
RE: BBTDS  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14336366 JonC said:
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My perspective is he sat out four games, on top of the idiot racket.

The bar is too high for you? That's on you.

There's no debate here. You're emotional.


The whole he sat out rationalization is hilarious to me. Our team was going absolutely nowhere, and the team sat him out so he wouldn't be seriously injured and have to rehab over the offseason.
That isn't what the team  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:49 am : link
is saying now, is it? Their belief is he could've played.
LT has nothing to do with OBJ  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2019 11:55 am : link
It is a different world.
RE: That isn't what the team  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14336388 JonC said:
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is saying now, is it? Their belief is he could've played.


News flash the team is going to say whatever the hell they want to say now so suckers like yourself with feel better about it.

God forbid anyone with any kind of a flamboyant personality could be apart of this team.
RE: He clearly did not want to be here  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/14/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14336202 cjac said:
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Let look at the timeline

Broke his leg

came back and was a model citizen, didnt hold out, worked hard, kept his mouth shut

Go PIZZZAID 91 million dollars

Went on ESPN with LiL Wayne and said he didnt want to be in NYC and subtly trashed Eli

Faked an injury for the last 4 games and basically disappeared, wasnt on the sidelines, nothing.

Giants had to trade him... No choice


Faked an injury?! You guys have lost your fuckin minds. If you watched the bears game it was clear Odell was hobbled but half of you nimwits would have rather he risk blowing out a knee or worse in the last 4 meaningless games of the season. Questioning Odell’s desire to play the game? Of all people?
RE: RE: That isn't what the team  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14336405 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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is saying now, is it? Their belief is he could've played.



News flash the team is going to say whatever the hell they want to say now so suckers like yourself with feel better about it.

God forbid anyone with any kind of a flamboyant personality could be apart of this team.


You have fun with that, junior. Time to grow up.
RE: He wanted out  
kelsto811 : 3/14/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14336150 JonC said:
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and then he wanted his deal adjusted. Stop thinking with your hearts.


I'm not sure how this is so unbelievable to some. The early exits to the lockerroom, the tension with Schurmur (and apparently cursing), the Lil Wayne interview, the onside kick business decision...my guess is, among other things, that he thought Eli was holding him back. Not so sure I believe the whole didn't want to play second fiddle to Saquon
This front office is delusional  
Giants in 07 : 3/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
Don't start every year 0-4 if you don't want your players looking out for their well being with injuries late in the season.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
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is saying now, is it? Their belief is he could've played.



News flash the team is going to say whatever the hell they want to say now so suckers like yourself with feel better about it.

God forbid anyone with any kind of a flamboyant personality could be apart of this team.



You have fun with that, junior. Time to grow up.


I haven't found 1 source that can remotely confirm that OBJ sat himself or could have played in those last few games.

If it's the shit you hear on the radio spewed from Boomer and what not, WFAN has a partnership with the Giants.

I used to help setup the damn stage for Mike Francessa when he setup his Sunday show at the stadium.

You really think WFAN isn't going to have a pretty clear bias, so they don't mess up their relationship with the organization?
RE: I think he definitely wanted this, and good for him.  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14336343 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Why would any great player want to waste away their prime with an over the hill QB who no longer has it? Fuck that.


Strange logic considering the QB outplayed him in the only important game they ever played together.

But again, your OBJ13 Brownies jersey is probably already ordered and on its way.

Enjoy!
thx for nothing  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/14/2019 12:09 pm : link
clown show
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JonC : 3/14/2019 12:11 pm : link
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is saying now, is it? Their belief is he could've played.



News flash the team is going to say whatever the hell they want to say now so suckers like yourself with feel better about it.

God forbid anyone with any kind of a flamboyant personality could be apart of this team.



You have fun with that, junior. Time to grow up.



I haven't found 1 source that can remotely confirm that OBJ sat himself or could have played in those last few games.

If it's the shit you hear on the radio spewed from Boomer and what not, WFAN has a partnership with the Giants.

I used to help setup the damn stage for Mike Francessa when he setup his Sunday show at the stadium.

You really think WFAN isn't going to have a pretty clear bias, so they don't mess up their relationship with the organization?


I don't listen to the radio, and read very little print media.
The WFAN is a clown show and has shit on the Giants for Years  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2019 12:12 pm : link
They aren't trying to help the Giants out with this.
LOL
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 12:13 pm : link
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is saying now, is it? Their belief is he could've played.



News flash the team is going to say whatever the hell they want to say now so suckers like yourself with feel better about it.

God forbid anyone with any kind of a flamboyant personality could be apart of this team.



You have fun with that, junior. Time to grow up.



I haven't found 1 source that can remotely confirm that OBJ sat himself or could have played in those last few games.

If it's the shit you hear on the radio spewed from Boomer and what not, WFAN has a partnership with the Giants.

I used to help setup the damn stage for Mike Francessa when he setup his Sunday show at the stadium.

You really think WFAN isn't going to have a pretty clear bias, so they don't mess up their relationship with the organization?



I don't listen to the radio, and read very little print media.


Great we have established you have absolutely no sources, but your own thoughts. That certainly holds some water.
I just spoke to Jose...  
EricJ : 3/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
he says Odell still owes him $10 for picking up his dry cleaning for him...
RE: RE: I think he definitely wanted this, and good for him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14336441 Chris684 said:
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Why would any great player want to waste away their prime with an over the hill QB who no longer has it? Fuck that.



Strange logic considering the QB outplayed him in the only important game they ever played together.

But again, your OBJ13 Brownies jersey is probably already ordered and on its way.

Enjoy!


Eli hasn't outplayed much of anyone over the past 7 seasons, especially the last few. Big part of the reason we are where we are.

Enjoy yet another sub .500 record this season, and a CAREER sub .500 record for Eli Manning. LMAO.
BBDTS  
JonC : 3/14/2019 12:14 pm : link
Can't help you. No one worth their salt gives up their sources.

I'll tell you this though, your performance on this thread is weak and emotional. Sorry you lost a favorite player.
If you are a Giants fan  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 12:16 pm : link
what makes you "LMAO" about a bad season for the Giants and a sub .500 record for Eli?

Are you trying to be proven right about something?

Is it that you ride Beckham's jock?

Sam Darnold's?

What is the reason?
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 12:18 pm : link
I've already unmarried myself from Beckham, turned the page, and am looking forward to the future. I'd suggest some of you guys do the same.

Put your big boy pants on. We're not kids anymore who cry when their favorite player gets traded or injured.

Loved watching him play, will keep pulling for him to succeed in Cleveland because I have nothing against him. But it wasn't working here.

This needs to be about NYG. Not Odell Beckham.
RE: RE: RE: I think he definitely wanted this, and good for him.  
Ryan in Albany : 3/14/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14336461 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Why would any great player want to waste away their prime with an over the hill QB who no longer has it? Fuck that.



Strange logic considering the QB outplayed him in the only important game they ever played together.

But again, your OBJ13 Brownies jersey is probably already ordered and on its way.

Enjoy!


He can add his new Browns OBJ jersey to his Jets Darnold jersey.
RE: RE: Different time, different world we live in  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14336341 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Doesn't excuse how LT was often let off the hook, but he had Parcells and others to help manage things.

And, LT never sat out a football game to try and make a selfish point.



LT failed drug tests in 1987. He still played for the Giants for many years after that.

What exactly has OBJ done that is remotely close to that?


What exactly has Beckham done that's remotely close to what LT did on the field?

Beckham's legacy here is a boat trip and generally just being a bitch. If you couldn't see that coming that's on you.
RE: If you are a Giants fan  
EricJ : 3/14/2019 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14336472 Chris684 said:
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and a sub .500 record for Eli?


Chris my only comment is on this very specific portion of your post. Who cares about Eli's record? Meaningless statistic which by the way Eli also owns.

More interested in TEAM wins for the fans. I would love to trade places with Eli.
RE: If you are a Giants fan  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14336472 Chris684 said:
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what makes you "LMAO" about a bad season for the Giants and a sub .500 record for Eli?

Are you trying to be proven right about something?

Is it that you ride Beckham's jock?

Sam Darnold's?

What is the reason?


After a horrific past 7 years, I have ZERO sympathy for the Giants or Eli Manning anymore. Still a Giants fan, watch all of the games, but I no longer sympathize with a team tha makes the same mistakes year after year. If a player can get out of this mess and go to a better team in their prime, good for them. I;m not going to be a homer and suck the teet of every move this franchise makes and pretend it's a great move like you and a certain few others. The writing has been on the wall for almost a FULL decade now. Not my fault you're too slow to realize it. But, hey, its all over very soon, so. Enjoy one more year of a shit-show.
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 12:20 pm : link
ODELL
If you're going to do a thank you tweet  
Stan in LA : 3/14/2019 12:20 pm : link
And don't mention teammates OR coaches, don't bother.

Cancer.
Agreed it's about the team  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 12:21 pm : link
I'm not hung up one way or another on his W/L.

Just trying to find out how another "Giants fan" would find any potential downfall of the team or a current player on it, laughable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think he definitely wanted this, and good for him.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14336477 Ryan in Albany said:
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Why would any great player want to waste away their prime with an over the hill QB who no longer has it? Fuck that.



Strange logic considering the QB outplayed him in the only important game they ever played together.

But again, your OBJ13 Brownies jersey is probably already ordered and on its way.

Enjoy!


He can add his new Browns OBJ jersey to his Jets Darnold jersey.


Are you gonna cry? Why am I no longer a fan? Because I call them out on an awful 7 years? You guys are on another planet. Everyone outside of this BBI bubble laughs at idiots such as yourself.
Goodbye and good luck ...but  
Spider56 : 3/14/2019 12:22 pm : link
I’m glad to see you go ... Cleveland is a good city with great people but their true fans aren’t going to like your dog peeing antics either. I pray you grow up and make true use of your talents.
RE: Agreed it's about the team  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14336490 Chris684 said:
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I'm not hung up one way or another on his W/L.

Just trying to find out how another "Giants fan" would find any potential downfall of the team or a current player on it, laughable.


How? Because it;s been 7 years of the same mistakes. That's how.

RE: .  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14336476 arcarsenal said:
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I've already unmarried myself from Beckham, turned the page, and am looking forward to the future. I'd suggest some of you guys do the same.

Put your big boy pants on. We're not kids anymore who cry when their favorite player gets traded or injured.

Loved watching him play, will keep pulling for him to succeed in Cleveland because I have nothing against him. But it wasn't working here.

This needs to be about NYG. Not Odell Beckham.


Would suggest people read this over and over. The trade stunned me. I greatly enjoyed the player. But we're moving forward. Let's go
Surprised nobody has brought up the part that stood out to me the most  
Bramton1 : 3/14/2019 12:43 pm : link
Where he admitted that some Giants fans were upset this happened, and some were happy. Then immediately thanks the REAL Giants fans.

Curious. When he says "real" fans, is he excluding any bandwagon fans who just placed their order on NFL Shop for a new Browns jersey? Or it he excluding those fans who are happy to see him gone?
Didn't he put up historic record setting numbers  
JCin332 : 3/14/2019 12:53 pm : link
here...yet some geniuses on here said he wanted out because of Eli...??

Very disappointed  
Les in TO : 3/14/2019 12:59 pm : link
After his first three seasons he looked like he had jerry rice type potential. But time to move on
RE: Very disappointed  
ron mexico : 3/14/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14336592 Les in TO said:
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After his first three seasons he looked like he had jerry rice type potential. But time to move on


he still does
RE: Surprised nobody has brought up the part that stood out to me the most  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14336548 Bramton1 said:
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Where he admitted that some Giants fans were upset this happened, and some were happy. Then immediately thanks the REAL Giants fans.

Curious. When he says "real" fans, is he excluding any bandwagon fans who just placed their order on NFL Shop for a new Browns jersey? Or it he excluding those fans who are happy to see him gone?

The latter I assume. Why would he direct a statement like this to people who are glad to see him go?
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you guys will always have a place in my heart, a beautiful city .. a beautiful place Thank You for every last moment and experience. Without them, I wouldn’t be exactly who I am today
RE: LT was a selfish player. Did what he wanted on the field.  
Foobarbaz : 3/14/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14336291 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Did drugs, retired so he could do coke more often. Terrible father, arrested for banging underage hookers.

We figured out a way to keep him on the team and some of the terrible shit he did was released to the public at the time.

OBJ has never done anything remotely close to that crap, and he's vilified.



Since when was doing drugs and banging hookers a bad thing, wasn't Odel in that hotel with cocaine as well?
I hope he plays great and helps bring a 'Ship to Cleveland.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 1:13 pm : link
The guy got/saved more people's jobs than the President. But he celebrated in the end zone and we can't have that so off you go.
RE: Glad we kept Jose  
Jints in Carolina : 3/14/2019 1:15 pm : link
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As Giants fans we understand the need for Jose.





RE: RE: If you are a Giants fan  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14336485 Dave in Hoboken said:
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what makes you "LMAO" about a bad season for the Giants and a sub .500 record for Eli?

Are you trying to be proven right about something?

Is it that you ride Beckham's jock?

Sam Darnold's?

What is the reason?



After a horrific past 7 years, I have ZERO sympathy for the Giants or Eli Manning anymore. Still a Giants fan, watch all of the games, but I no longer sympathize with a team tha makes the same mistakes year after year. If a player can get out of this mess and go to a better team in their prime, good for them. I;m not going to be a homer and suck the teet of every move this franchise makes and pretend it's a great move like you and a certain few others. The writing has been on the wall for almost a FULL decade now. Not my fault you're too slow to realize it. But, hey, its all over very soon, so. Enjoy one more year of a shit-show.


I don't like every move the Giants make. I would have never hired Shurmur.

I just don't act like a petulant child when the team I root for doesn't do what I want them to.

Carry on with the incessant bitch fest you've been having this week.
RE: LT was a selfish player. Did what he wanted on the field.  
kinard : 3/14/2019 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14336291 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Did drugs, retired so he could do coke more often. Terrible father, arrested for banging underage hookers.

We figured out a way to keep him on the team and some of the terrible shit he did was released to the public at the time.

OBJ has never done anything remotely close to that crap, and he's vilified.
RE: I hope he plays great and helps bring a 'Ship to Cleveland.  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14336660 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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The guy got/saved more people's jobs than the President. But he celebrated in the end zone and we can't have that so off you go.


Beckham saved people's jobs? Looking at the front office, coaching staff, and player roster that doesn't appear to be the case.
RE: RE: I hope he plays great and helps bring a 'Ship to Cleveland.  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/14/2019 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14336847 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14336660 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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The guy got/saved more people's jobs than the President. But he celebrated in the end zone and we can't have that so off you go.



Beckham saved people's jobs? Looking at the front office, coaching staff, and player roster that doesn't appear to be the case.


What would Eli's career passer rating be if they never drafted Beckham? Worse than 47th all time?
RE: RE: I hope he plays great and helps bring a 'Ship to Cleveland.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14336847 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14336660 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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The guy got/saved more people's jobs than the President. But he celebrated in the end zone and we can't have that so off you go.



Beckham saved people's jobs? Looking at the front office, coaching staff, and player roster that doesn't appear to be the case.


Eli would've been gone a while ago without Odell. Reese was allowed to stick around as long as he did because of Odell. McAdoo only got the job because of what Odell did for the offense. Considering that ownership had begun to force changes to his coaching staff, Coughlin probably would've been gone a year earlier without the improvement in the offense that was clearly all about Odell.
Who gives a shit about passer rating?  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 2:28 pm : link
Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.

Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.
RE: Who gives a shit about passer rating?  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14336907 Go Terps said:
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Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.

Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.


So true.
We are not HERE because of OBJ  
VinegarPeppers : 3/14/2019 2:34 pm : link
or Eli Manning. We are HERE because of the failure of the former regime to put together a representative OL so Eli had TIME to hit OBJ downfield.
RE: BBTDS  
Thegratefulhead : 3/14/2019 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14336366 JonC said:
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My perspective is he sat out four games, on top of the idiot racket.

The bar is too high for you? That's on you.

There's no debate here. You're emotional.
He practiced, then sat out games. It was an obvious show of power IMHO. I would have liked more but I accept we got as much could while shipping him to the AFC. We were calling, teams knew we wanted to sell. DG did well. I suspect when he has his first big TD game in Cleveland he is going to say something borderline if not outright critical of Eli...The truth will leak then. Shit, it may start sooner. I have suspicions there is a lot of shit people want to air.
RE: Who gives a shit about passer rating?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14336907 Go Terps said:
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Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.

Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.




If you're so hardheaded when it comes to Odell that you can't even admit that he clearly extended Eli's Giants career, I don't know what else to say.
RE: Who gives a shit about passer rating?  
Thegratefulhead : 3/14/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14336907 Go Terps said:
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Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.

Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.
Truth. He didn't show up at all in the only big game he played.
.  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 2:38 pm : link
Terps is on a remarkable heat check right now and I kinda love it.
RE: RE: Who gives a shit about passer rating?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14336928 Thegratefulhead said:
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Eli Manning won two Super Bowls before we made the mistake of drafting Beckham in the first place.

Beckham ain't shit compared to Eli Manning. Who the fuck is Odell Beckham? The next important thing he does will be the first.

Truth. He didn't show up at all in the only big game he played.


Did Eli show up in his first playoff game? Perhaps it's just dumb to base one's opinion of a player on one game.
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Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:02 pm : link
By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.
RE: .  
Giantology : 3/14/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.


You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.
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Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14337005 Giantology said:
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In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:


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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.



You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.


Eli and LT were not the sole reason for SB victories, but they were a damn big reason.

Beckham was on one team that had a chance to do something, and he had a huge hand on the field and off it in fucking that game up.

If your case for a player's excellence is based on a rationalization, it isn't a great case. The guy had three great statistical seasons as a Giant, two of which were terrible team seasons...and we're going to compare him to Eli and LT? Get the fuck out of here.
Honest question  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:12 pm : link
do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?
aaaaand  
Jeff : 3/14/2019 3:13 pm : link
then he says this


I’m not a Cancer....... I’m a Scorpio 😭😭🤪 sorry for the confusion
RE: Honest question  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14337041 Kyle in NY said:
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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?


It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.
Terps  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:19 pm : link
obviously personal with you. pretty pathetic that it means that much to you.

re: Packer game - Eli had it right, young player got psyched out by a game "made it bigger than it was" - shit like that happens.

great player, generational talent. one of best talents to ever play for Giants. If the issues with him and coaching staff compelled them to trade him, I'm okay with it but I'm not delusional or dishosent about how good a player he was.

adn se link re: one aspect of his off the field stuff that never gets talked about
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bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:20 pm : link
this stuff
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bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:21 pm : link
this
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bc  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
You track his off field stuff that closely, but it's personal for me?

When he sat out the last four games last season was that to go do charity work?

Oh, and there are better players in his generation. He isn't generational. That word has become an IQ test.
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bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
this
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terps  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:26 pm : link
I looked this stuff up because I just get sick of guys like you and all their fucking whining and cryassing.

RE: my IQ - I understand the what it means . clearly you are the generational whiney cunt on BBI
Francesa's opening was a thing of beauty again today...  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 3:27 pm : link
"The Odell Beckham years here were offensive"

-Pointed out how last year he went on his "good behavior deal" got his contract and then rubbed their noses in it.

-The trade of Beckham two days ago is the first "Giant-like" thing they've done in 5 years.

-People quick to put the Browns in the SB with a first year HC, second year QB and the possibility of chaos in the locker room.

Spot on.
RE: RE: Honest question  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14337062 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14337041 Kyle in NY said:


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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?



It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.


That's a wild take man. We drafted an all-pro receiver who we then exchanged for some potentially useful assets. Unfortunately he showed up as the team was going in the tank. His demeanor didn't always make the situation better and in the end we traded him a year too late. His production on the field really can't be argued. If anything it's just shown that great WR does not equal great offense/team. All of these things can be true.

I respect your knowledge but cannot get over this "losing player" stuff you keep saying, as if one player besides maybe a QB can single handedly change a football team's fortunes. If the Browns win the division and maybe a playoff game or two, is he no longer a losing player? Or is he the same guy with better players around him? We could have taken Aaron Donald, but I'm pretty sure our record wouldn't be much different. So would he be considered a losing player?

In the end, you were right about how this would play out. I'm just not sure why your victory lap has to include such off the wall statements. Just take the win and move on
RE: RE: Honest question  
ron mexico : 3/14/2019 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14337062 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14337041 Kyle in NY said:


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do you really think it was a mistake to even draft him as you said a few posts back? That one's a bit out there. Even if you hate the guy, they did re-coup assets in the end, pretty much what you wanted all along, no?



It absolutely was a mistake. How'd it work out? How have these last five years been for the Giants? It's not all on him, but part of it sure is. The guy is a losing player that was part of a toxic locker room over that period of time. Yeah, it was a mistake.


Over the next few years we will get to see how true that is. We will see if he can lift the Brown out of perpetual mediocre at best status.


2013 was literally the worst season of Eli's career.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:32 pm : link
It was also the nadir of 4 straight seasons of dipping TDs and completion percentage. It's safe to say if he had continued along that path, he wouldn't still be the QB for the NY Giants right now even with his great career.

His numbers in his first 2 seasons with Odell (2014-2015) are better than anyone not named Brady or Aaron Rodgers. (They're pretty much equal with Drew Brees.)

If anyone is too hardheaded to admit that Odell extended Eli's career, that's on them. It's neither one of their faults that the team lost so much the past 5 years. They didn't draft Ereck Flowers or Eli Apple. They also didn't put out a terrible defense for 80% of the time period. They were both wasted.
RE: terps  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14337084 bc4life said:
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I looked this stuff up because I just get sick of guys like you and all their fucking whining and cryassing.

RE: my IQ - I understand the what it means . clearly you are the generational whiney cunt on BBI


I think you and your like are the ones doing the whining, since it's been proven that there was so much bullshit from this guy that the Giants saw fit to trade him.
RE: Francesa's opening was a thing of beauty again today...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14337086 Chris684 said:
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"The Odell Beckham years here were offensive"

-Pointed out how last year he went on his "good behavior deal" got his contract and then rubbed their noses in it.

-The trade of Beckham two days ago is the first "Giant-like" thing they've done in 5 years.

-People quick to put the Browns in the SB with a first year HC, second year QB and the possibility of chaos in the locker room.

Spot on.


Francesa is a fool. All of this because a guy danced in the end zone.
RE: bc  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14337077 Go Terps said:
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You track his off field stuff that closely, but it's personal for me?

When he sat out the last four games last season was that to go do charity work?

Oh, and there are better players in his generation. He isn't generational. That word has become an IQ test.


Do those last 4 games even matter?

Most of us wanted to continue to tank for a better draft pick at that point.

This board also wanted him to not risk getting injured any further as well because it would be dumb to have him even more injured and not be able to start this upcoming season.

The revisionist history is quite pathetic around here to rationalize why he was traded.

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Giantology : 3/14/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14337025 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14337001 Go Terps said:


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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.



You are smarter than the argument you are trying to make here. It implies that Eli and LT individually were the sole reason for our SB victories. They had a fully-built teams with great help, the likes of which Odell never had.



Eli and LT were not the sole reason for SB victories, but they were a damn big reason.

Beckham was on one team that had a chance to do something, and he had a huge hand on the field and off it in fucking that game up.

If your case for a player's excellence is based on a rationalization, it isn't a great case. The guy had three great statistical seasons as a Giant, two of which were terrible team seasons...and we're going to compare him to Eli and LT? Get the fuck out of here.


You're being disingenuous if you can't acknowledge the fact that Odell has never once had a roster or even coaching around him anywhere near the 2007 or 80s teams. The closest would be 2016, in which the offense was so fucking broken that he was literally the only working part (and yet was still double teamed constantly).
RE: RE: terps  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14337108 Go Terps said:
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I think you and your like are the ones doing the whining, since it's been proven that there was so much bullshit from this guy that the Giants saw fit to trade him.


Those same people kept Josh Brown around until the media exposed that he was a wife beater... information they were already privy to. The Giants kept Eli Manning around because idiot fans complained. Let's not pretend the Giants' decision-making is anything to laud.
no revisionist history  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
Of course the 4 games matter, but unless you are OBJ - you don't know if he was able to play or not. Team "reportedly" thought he could - if he could and didn't that speaks for itself. You don't play when you can - inexcusable. I don't know that he did that. I don't know that he didn't do that.

I said in a previous thread, if I was a coach and he cursed me on the sidelines - at halftime - he wouldn't play a down in the second half.
I'm glad OBJ is out...  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.

He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.

Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.

If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...
The way some fans talk about Beckham off the field,  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 3:42 pm : link
you would think he was the Giants' player who had the FBI visiting the Giants facility last offseason..

Funny how that works.
Those four games matter  
JonC : 3/14/2019 3:43 pm : link
because he's being paid to play and all his teammates and coaches are out there busting their arses. It's optics, but vital internal optics.
bw in dc  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:46 pm : link
I said in another thread, maybe the best landing spot for him was New England.

BB would have stifled that shit - with the quickness
The Giants have enormous blame  
Go Terps : 3/14/2019 3:47 pm : link
Beckham should have been checked very early on. Mara, Tisch, Reese, Coughlin, Eli...they all failed miserably in this respect.
Dave  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:48 pm : link
yeah. Most of his off the field stuff ws just stupidity adn immature.

dogging games, cursing out coaches - that's the type stuff that will get your bags packed for you.

Regardless of whether someone liked the trade or not - just form an opinion based on the most accuarte facts available.
RE: no revisionist history  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14337141 bc4life said:
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Of course the 4 games matter, but unless you are OBJ - you don't know if he was able to play or not. Team "reportedly" thought he could - if he could and didn't that speaks for itself. You don't play when you can - inexcusable. I don't know that he did that. I don't know that he didn't do that.

I said in a previous thread, if I was a coach and he cursed me on the sidelines - at halftime - he wouldn't play a down in the second half.


Please find a source that states that he could have played? Just one that's all I ask.
Terps  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:51 pm : link
We agree on that. Most frustrating thing is that, of those names you threw out, the one with earliest opportunity to do that and with a reputation for reigning in problem children was Coughlin. And he apparently let it fester

I was shocked that TC didn't check him during the Panthers game.
good post bw  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
I came across this quote in Albert Breer's piece on the trade

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AFC College Scouting Director, October 2017: “He wasn’t like this [at LSU]. He was a typical receiver—he liked attention and he wanted the ball. He dressed flashy, liked to be at the club, liked having people around him. But when it came to football, he wasn’t like this. This has developed. It’s interesting, he had Jarvis Landry with him and Jarvis was the ultimate Alpha dog.


Not sure where it flipped for him (maybe the attention from the one handed catch?) But I don't think it's unreasonable to say the Giants let him down. The infrastructure was not in place to manage this player off the field with a strong leader at HC, or on the field with proper talent around him. It is unfortunate. I'm genuinely curious to see how this goes in Cleveland. Maybe I've just had him pegged wrong the entire time and it falls apart there as well.
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RE: Dave  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14337165 bc4life said:
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yeah. Most of his off the field stuff ws just stupidity adn immature.

dogging games, cursing out coaches - that's the type stuff that will get your bags packed for you.

Regardless of whether someone liked the trade or not - just form an opinion based on the most accuarte facts available.


The cursing out coaches is another thing that I have no sources on either. The only people saying it are on here. BBI isn't a valid source.
RE: I'm glad OBJ is out...  
Jeff : 3/14/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14337143 bw in dc said:
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But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.

He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.

Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.

If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...


I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.
RE: Those four games matter  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14337149 JonC said:
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because he's being paid to play and all his teammates and coaches are out there busting their arses. It's optics, but vital internal optics.


On the other hand, with four meaningless games left, did we really need one of the most important assets out on the field playing?
The roster was so bad  
Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 3:54 pm : link
in Coughlin's last three years, desperate to win, I think he knew he just had to put up with it because it was his best shot. But he shares the blame.
RE: The roster was so bad  
Jeff : 3/14/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14337186 Kyle in NY said:
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in Coughlin's last three years, desperate to win, I think he knew he just had to put up with it because it was his best shot. But he shares the blame.


Yeah you are probably right...
bw  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:57 pm : link
RE: Kitchens - he had a pretty good mentor in Ariens.

Problem children like OBJ, generally decent guys who let their emotions get the best of them , doing crazy impulsive shit, don't know when to shut fuck up, hotheads, etc. The right people and circumstances can modify that behavior. Trust me - I know.
bigbluedownbytheshore  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 3:59 pm : link
those are rumors - which I clearly said - I don't know whether or not were accurate.
RE: RE: I'm glad OBJ is out...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14337178 Jeff said:
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.


The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?

RE: RE: I'm glad OBJ is out...  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14337178 Jeff said:
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In comment 14337143 bw in dc said:


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But there is a sadness to it because he is an extraordinary athlete playing WR. His skills were so rare. It's going to take something pretty special for me to think there as ever been a receiver with more natural gifts. When OBJ was on, I've never seen that ability to get in and out of cuts so effortlessly, and then find another gear after that. He really is blessed by the football Gods.

He really needed a different a different HC with some exemplary leadership and people skills to manage him. That wasn't coming newbies like McAdoo and Shurmur. Those guys don't have the pelts or the DNA to figure OBJ out.

Talent wise, there are a lot of similarities between LT and OBJ. LT just happened to be from a different generation and was the beneficiary of a strong figure head in Parcells.

If you sort of trend it out, you can't help but think OBJ will ultimately pull the same sh-t in Cleveland. It's just the pattern. And the chances of first time HC, Freddie Kitchens, being able to control and manage that is basically laughable...



I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.


That was doomed not to work. The gap between age and lifestyles was just too wide. OBJ is AAU basketball. Probably been catered to his entire life playing sports. Coughlin, by contrast, wanted humble, discipline, and team commitment.
RE: LT was a selfish player. Did what he wanted on the field.  
Red Right Hand : 3/14/2019 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14336291 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Did drugs, retired so he could do coke more often. Terrible father, arrested for banging underage hookers.

We figured out a way to keep him on the team and some of the terrible shit he did was released to the public at the time.

OBJ has never done anything remotely close to that crap, and he's vilified.
Difference is LT was a dog that bit any and all passerby, but never the hand that fed him. OBJ was a dog that snapped at his owner anytime you tried to pet him, when he wasn't busy peeing on the carpet.

One kept the home safe, the other turned into an unpleasant shithole.
That was nicely written  
montanagiant : 3/14/2019 11:18 pm : link
By his Agent
RE: .  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/14/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14336932 Kyle in NY said:
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Terps is on a remarkable heat check right now and I kinda love it.


A heat check?


Is that Slovenian for Hot chick?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 3/15/2019 7:38 am : link
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.


Get this revisionist nonsense the fuck out of here.

There were serious fucking questions about the viability of Eli Manning as a starting quarterback late in the 2007 season before they got hot as a team lead by their defense and run game, and this kind of bootlicking propaganda will get you likes by the fellow knuckledraggers and 30-50 year olds that lose there fucking minds trying to run down a 26 year old.
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bc4life : 3/15/2019 7:49 am : link
Don't have to exaggerate OBJ's negatives. Obviously there were problems. Turning "house into shithole" is inconsistent with being considered a great teammate by most players, very generous, etc.

But I think you were spot on re: biting the hand that fed him, - think he respected the coaching staff. Never recall any stories of him having antagonistic relationship whith BB or Parcells. He was a pain in the ass for them I'm sure. But there appeared to have been mutual respect.
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Go Terps : 3/15/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14338935 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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By the fifth year of his career Eli had already won a Super Bowl MVP, and made a miracle play to beat the undefeated Pats to get this franchise its third ring.

After the fifth year of his career Beckham got run out of town because they couldn't stand him anymore.

Don't compare Beckham to Eli, LT, or any other great Giant. He isn't remotely in their class.



Get this revisionist nonsense the fuck out of here.

There were serious fucking questions about the viability of Eli Manning as a starting quarterback late in the 2007 season before they got hot as a team lead by their defense and run game, and this kind of bootlicking propaganda will get you likes by the fellow knuckledraggers and 30-50 year olds that lose there fucking minds trying to run down a 26 year old.


Go read what jtgiants is saying about Beckham on his thread. Beckham was a cancer and part of the reason the locker room was garbage.

Sorry, but I nailed this guy for what he is years ago. The Giants will be a better football team because Beckham is gone. The guy is a loser and a cancer.
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jestersdead : 3/15/2019 10:02 am : link
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.



The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?


Do you think that clip is anywhere on the same lines as the Beckham/Norman clip?
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Watson : 3/15/2019 10:33 am : link
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RE: Kitchens - he had a pretty good mentor in Ariens.

Problem children like OBJ, generally decent guys who let their emotions get the best of them , doing crazy impulsive shit, don't know when to shut fuck up, hotheads, etc. The right people and circumstances can modify that behavior. Trust me - I know.


Agree. Adam Henry should also be helpful. But IMO the situation will be the biggest factor. The Browns are an ascending young team. Winning will go along way in helping Beckham keep his emotions in check.
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OBJ_AllDay : 3/16/2019 12:32 am : link
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I agree partly but wasnt Coughlin criticized for not "controlling" Beckham during the whole incident with Josh Norman? Tom has the pelts and still struggled with him as well.



The Josh Norman incident was the most sensationalized pile of horseshit ever. People never let it go. I don't recall anyone ever saying why can't Marvin Lewis control AJ Green?

How wasn’t it? What about Andre Johnson or the countless players that have gotten physical with refs or thrown flags called on them into the crowd? Or break their kids bones? Let’s all keep treating Beckham like the serial killer he is!!! Pitchforks!!




Do you think that clip is anywhere on the same lines as the Beckham/Norman clip?
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