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The Most Overlooked Part of the OBJ trade - Jabrill Peppers

mavric : 3/14/2019 9:59 am
The more I read up on Jabril Peppers, the more I like him. Getting him was a good (if not great) deal for the Giants who were in need of a quality safety after the loss of Collins.

Everyone knows that he was a first round pick and a Heisman Trophy finalist. And that he was also a consensus first-team All-American. But he also won the Paul Hornung Award as the nation’s most versatile player (note: Saquon Barkley won the award in 2017, and OBJ won it in 2013). Here's some things you might not know.

At the combine, Peppers ran the fastest of all linebackers and safeties - 4.46 (2nd fastest was 4.58). However, he also ran a verified 4.34 at Michigan State and was timed in a live game running 40 yards in 3.77. Of course, he had a running start when he picked up the ball on the 40 yd line and ran down the field for a touchdown, but that is the fastest recorded 40 in football history.

He was a track star in New Jersey...breaking the New Jersey state record in the 200-meter dash as a junior, running a 20.79. He earned two state titles in the 100-meter and 200-meter dash, and added state championships in the 4x400-meter relay and 4x100-meter relay. He is really fast!

He has played 15 different defensive, offensive and special teams positions for the Wolverines in 2016, recording 726 snaps on defense, 154 on special teams and 53 on offense and has even lined up as a wildcat QB. In short, he's an uber talent with off the charts athleticism...a do-it-all defensive back-linebacker-punt/kick returner-tailback-receiver-quarterback. Of course, some will say a "jack of all trades, master of none." But after settling in as a strong safety for the Browns, he proved he could star in that position and has proven he has a high ceiling and will get even better.

He has also been the Browns primary kick and punt returner since joining the team.

When the Giants were working out a deal, the Browns made it clear they did NOT want to part with Peppers, but the Giants insisted on him or the deal wouldn't be made.

To top it off, he is a very high character player who actually stays healthy all year long!




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I think Peppers is a stud  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 10:01 am : link
and will thrive in Betcher's system.

Can't wait to watch him play.
Great thread....  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2019 10:01 am : link
I'm intrigued by Peppers.
Good player  
Giants in 07 : 3/14/2019 10:02 am : link
Will always be unfairly judged and compared to Beckham in NY though.
He's a football  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 10:03 am : link
player. Max effort, very good athlete, and a nose for the ball. He has pro bowl potential year over year.
Great post  
lawguy9801 : 3/14/2019 10:03 am : link
It seems like a lot of Giants fans are just glossing over him and only react as if all the Giants got was a 1st and 3rd rounder.
DG definitely swapped out safeties....  
BillKo : 3/14/2019 10:04 am : link
......getting a player for less money and under contract that is very similar to Collins, and perhaps better in some areas.

Proof will be on game day.
Also the Giants  
Harvest Blend : 3/14/2019 10:04 am : link
have Peppers for at least 2 years for $3.3 million. Peanuts.
People have expressed concern about rebuilding a  
Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2019 10:05 am : link
piss poor Secondary. They (hopefully) started with Beal and now Peppers
This....  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2019 10:05 am : link
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When the Giants were working out a deal, the Browns made it clear they did NOT want to part with Peppers, but the Giants insisted on him or the deal wouldn't be made.


kinda reminds me of another blockbuster trade way back in the day...

When the Giants were negotiating with the Chargers for Eli Manning, AJ Smith desperately wanted a young player named Osi Umenyiora, who was still a bit of an unknown. Ernie wouldn't budge on that and it held up the trade for a long time, almost undid it until the Giants called their bluff and picked Rivers.
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26.2 : 3/14/2019 10:06 am : link
20.79 in the 200 is bookin!
Thanks for posting this...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/14/2019 10:08 am : link
in the OBJ trade analysis he seems to be significantly discounted, in a very poor way.

Many would have been more happy with 2 2019 first round picks (#17, #25) a third rounder and a move up from the fifth into the fourth.

So compare the choices:

#25 pick this year - who would be available? What is the hit rate at that position of the draft for league average healthy starter or better? On the pro side of that argument you are a couple of years younger and you have two more years of controlled lower-cost salary.

Peppers - healthy, young, cheap, experienced and plays a position the Giants NEED where no better FA are available at 3X the price. While closer to UFA, still has a few years left of team control and by the time he hits FA the Giants have lots of cap room. The team must obviously have a very high grade on him from taking actual NFL snaps, compared to a college resume only.

IMO getting Peppers is like getting the #10 pick in this year's draft, maybe even better than that.
I totally agree  
Dnew15 : 3/14/2019 10:09 am : link
I'm really looking forward to watching him play - he was a good get for DG.
who the hell cares what he did in high school or college?  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 10:10 am : link
He's been in the NFL for two years. What's he done there? Not a whole helluva lot.
No questions....that was a good get  
George from PA : 3/14/2019 10:11 am : link
Should do well in this defense. Better thrn Collins in coverage.

Do not forget special teams..

punt returner!

we will have the most talented group of returners ever
Punt returner? Sure  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 10:12 am : link
Not a good punt returner, but whatever makes you happy, I guess.
What about moving  
TommyWiseau : 3/14/2019 10:13 am : link
Jenkins to FS after this year to play along side Peppers? He is a play maker and a ball hawk, moving him to FS could possibly extend his career
He better not say what he thinks in interviews though!  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/14/2019 10:14 am : link
He'll get shipped out for a bag of balls.

And let's not give Gettleman credit for filling a hole he created. We'd still be talking about letting a pro bowl safety walk for no compensation if the Beckham trade didn't happen.

Good luck to him. I hope Bettcher finds good ways to use him.
I didn't overlook  
mrvax : 3/14/2019 10:14 am : link
Peppers. Once the details of the trade were known, I posted that the Giants really got a 3rd round player and 2 first rounders. I can easily see the Giants drafting Peppers at the latter part of round 1 knowing we had to get a good safety.
RE: I think Peppers is a stud  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/14/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14335826 Chris684 said:
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and will thrive in Betcher's system.

Can't wait to watch him play.


Agreed - And if I remember correctly at the Combine, he was a "Whatever you need me to do" guy.. working out with both S & LB's... Hopefully, he can be a leader in the locker room too (DESPERATELY needed).
Peppers has the talent to be the multi-dimensional impact  
JonC : 3/14/2019 10:16 am : link
we want. Perhaps not the level of impact he had at the college level, but few do.

I was hoping NYG would find a way to draft him, and now he's here. Terrific prospect and only 24 this season.
Peppers  
Archer : 3/14/2019 10:17 am : link
Can he play receiver, because we need one.... ?
remains  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:18 am : link
to be seen. He didn't make many plays on the football his first two years in the NFL. He's had an absurdly low 8 pass defenses in two seasons despite starting 29 games.
It's a very intriguing pickup  
Johnny5 : 3/14/2019 10:19 am : link
So athletic, but he struggled big time in his first year (as a FS). But by all accounts he was really coming around last year after moving him to SS. He was super versatile at Michigan. He is not the hammer at SS that Collins was, but he is a higher pick, and more athletic for the position so I think we benefit with upgraded coverage skills at that spot. I am just hoping Bethea has some good stuff left to give us... but he HAS to be better than Curtis Riley. I'm ok with Riley as a backup for now, but in my mind the combination of Peppers and Bethea is a clear upgrade for middle of the filed pass coverage over Collins and Riley.
While he hasn't lit the world on fire as a safety in the NFL  
Now Mike in MD : 3/14/2019 10:19 am : link
two things give me optimism. One, he was shifted all over the place in college and he has only been a focused only on playing safety for two years, so he has room to improve as he continues to learn the position.

Two, I think the Giants see him as filling that hybrid role in Bettcher's system and being a really dynamic play maker in that role.
RE: remains  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14335949 Eric from BBI said:
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to be seen. He didn't make many plays on the football his first two years in the NFL. He's had an absurdly low 8 pass defenses in two seasons despite starting 29 games.


Shhhhh, the pollyannas will get mad at you. How dare you pay attention to what Peppers has actually done in the NFL instead of swooning over his awesomeness in Ann Arbor and some Jersey high school!
In addition to being a very talented and high character guy, he's  
Ira : 3/14/2019 10:21 am : link
a good fit in Bettcher's d.
Whether or not this was a good trade  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/14/2019 10:24 am : link
really hinges on Peppers. He seems to be what Gettleman was after
Good post,  
BIGbluegermany : 3/14/2019 10:30 am : link
first i was shocked by this trade, i never expected ,but now i am more and more happy !I believe in DG
Peppers..  
Goin Deep : 3/14/2019 10:36 am : link
Being a former 1st rnder..do the Giants retain his 5th year option or did that go away with the trade?
RE: Whether or not this was a good trade  
EricJ : 3/14/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14335988 Sneakers O'toole said:
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really hinges on Peppers. He seems to be what Gettleman was after


No... it is more than that.
The eventual evaluation on the trade will have to be not only how Peppers performs but also what we do with the other picks AND how OBJ finishes out the rest of his contract.

You have to look at everything.
RE: Good post,  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14336016 BIGbluegermany said:
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I believe in DG


Which is just as much as statement of pure faith absent any evidence as saying that you believe in the Easter Bunny.
He is not a safety.  
Jon in NYC : 3/14/2019 10:37 am : link
He's perfect for the Moneybacker role.
RE: who the hell cares what he did in high school or college?  
Eman11 : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14335891 Greg from LI said:
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He's been in the NFL for two years. What's he done there? Not a whole helluva lot.


Jeez man, relax a little. The HS stuff was just a point of reference to his speed.
RE: remains  
Toth029 : 3/14/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14335949 Eric from BBI said:
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to be seen. He didn't make many plays on the football his first two years in the NFL. He's had an absurdly low 8 pass defenses in two seasons despite starting 29 games.

Collins had 10 over the same span.

I think Peppers is a better fit in this type of defense than Collins. We'll see.
Like Eric said on another thread  
bradshaw44 : 3/14/2019 10:44 am : link
This could turn out great for us and bad for them. Bad for us and great for them. Or maybe even good for both of us.

One thing I've learned over the last 19 years with this teams is never get my hopes up about any player or any team we field. Makes disappointment much easier to swallow. And it makes winning that much more special.

Although, most won't believe this, but I expected a run by the 2007 team. My friends can all attest to it. Me and former BBI poster Faust were adamant after the 2006 season that they could go on a run in 2007. Back to back playoff seasons and the fact that in 2006 the only team that really kicked our ass handedly was the Jags, in our opinion.

But back to the topic of Peppers, I hope he's great but I could see this going either way. Let's just see where the chips fall. Hopefully we draft some monsters that will be in front of him and Bathea.
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Kyle in NY : 3/14/2019 10:45 am : link
Hopefully Betcher can utilize him more effectively because the hype has exceeded the productions for a while with Peppers. 1 interception in his entire college career, 2 in the pros. Just doesn't make a ton of plays on the ball. He has a unique athletic skill set so maybe there's more we can get out of him in a different scheme. But this doesn't really move the needle much with regards to this trade IMO
RE: He is not a safety.  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14336070 Jon in NYC said:
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He's perfect for the Moneybacker role.


Yea, I think we see a lot of him on the field with both Bethea and Thomas. He's not that much smaller than Tae Davis.
RE: remains  
John In CO : 3/14/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14335949 Eric from BBI said:
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to be seen. He didn't make many plays on the football his first two years in the NFL. He's had an absurdly low 8 pass defenses in two seasons despite starting 29 games.


Ill admit that I havent watched every game he has played in a Browns uniform. However, I DID watch the Broncos/Browns game last year, and Peppers was borderline dominant in that game. As I remember it, he had a huge sack, what was basically the game winning INT, just a really good overall performance. Again, not sure what he did in the rest of the games last year, but for me, based on what I saw from him that game, I am very hopeful.
You know that was the only sack he's had in 29 games, right?  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 10:49 am : link
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RE: remains  
M.S. : 3/14/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14335949 Eric from BBI said:
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to be seen. He didn't make many plays on the football his first two years in the NFL. He's had an absurdly low 8 pass defenses in two seasons despite starting 29 games.

Eric -- perhaps one of the issues is that he played all over the place in college so he was far from a finished product at his NFL position, Safety.
he did have 3 sacks as a senior  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 10:50 am : link
I can certainly see Bettcher moving him around a lot and bringing him on blitzes from all over.

Why does everyone talk about someone  
mattyblue : 3/14/2019 10:52 am : link
“thriving” in Bettchers system? Bettchers system looks pitiful last year.
I wanted him in the  
MotownGIANTS : 3/14/2019 10:54 am : link
draft ... he was the heart & soul of the U of M defense and a lynch pin ... We will all be happy with him. No more getting killed by TEs and he can tackle and blitz when called upon.


RE: You know that was the only sack he's had in 29 games, right?  
Harvest Blend : 3/14/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14336147 Greg from LI said:
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Man, you are fucking relentless. Ha ha.
RE: Why does everyone talk about someone  
Johnny5 : 3/14/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14336167 mattyblue said:
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“thriving” in Bettchers system? Bettchers system looks pitiful last year.

What did you expect? Aside from switching schemes from 4-3 to 3-4 (and barely having adequate players for 4-3) We lost our best pass rusher in preseason. What kind of horses did he have? He had NO one that could cover the middle of the field (par for the course for Giants). They may have improved keeping Snacks in the mix, but that was also a big loss in run defense and pocket push. The guy needs better players. He did a nice job in AZ.
Guy is a stud  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/14/2019 10:57 am : link
and played at an elite level at the most prestigious university. Michigan Man through and through.

Yeah. He didn’t work out in Cleveland? But who does?
Toth029  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:57 am : link
And Collins didn't play well in coverage either. Collins' play really fell off after 2016.
Is it possible that Peppers  
Jeever : 3/14/2019 10:59 am : link
had that low number of passes defended because they weren't throwing his way?
RE: Is it possible that Peppers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14336205 Jeever said:
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had that low number of passes defended because they weren't throwing his way?


Possible. But that usually shows up more for a CB.
RE: You know that was the only sack he's had in 29 games, right?  
GiantGrit : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14336147 Greg from LI said:
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Who pissed in your cheerios today? Why aren't you telling anyone he was played 30 yards off the ball his first year which is completely out of position for him? He's the kind of the player who needs to be near the line of scrimmage.

Easy to use a 2 year argument while leaving out he was misaligned year 1. Once they got Randall and he switched roles he thrived.
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